/msg/ - Military Surplus GeneralBORING GUNS EditionPost old stuff.Thread question: What's an obscure milsurp prototype/design that lives in your head rent free?Previous Thread: >>64240292
>>64290700>What's an obscure milsurp prototype/design that lives in your head rent free?This autoloading M1903 lookalike. Supposedly belonged to the founder of General Radio Company, but whether it was some project they attempted or just something he owned is a mystery.
>>64290784damn... goddamn that looks smooth!
>local gun range got rid of the rental full auto ppsh because a few dumbasses couldnt control it and kept shooting the ceilingFUCKFUCKING FUCK
>>64290700I've been really wanting an M1903 recently, what can I expect to pay for one? are there any websites I should look for one on or do I just lurk fuddbroker until I find one that isn't overpriced?
>>64286405Picked up this Romy M69 trainer a couple days ago. Stock was shortened and a spacer and pachmayr white line buttplate was added. I have a different stock on the way.
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>>64288040Still waiting for one that doesn't have a sewer pipe of a bore to show up. The last one I saw was the RIA one that was documented to the USS Maine which sold for over $30k.
>>64290952>>64290960Nice.Weird thing about the MAS 45; the front sling swivel does double duty securing the barrel to the stock. That is something I do not like at all. I can't imagine using a sling that is literally pulling on the barrel won't have a terribly adverse affect on your accuracy. Fortunately I'm not fond of slings to begin with so it's not a problem. And if I ever do run a sling on it I'll just add another swivel a little further in on the stock.
>>64291124Other than the nice one that sold back in July for I think 3.8k, there was another one on GB recently that wasnt bad BUT it was immensely cursed because of the shitty checkering the boomer did on the entire stock. Shame.
>>64290713Some sort of Monkey Tail?
>>64290946There is a resident 03 autist who should arrive any moment to answer your questions. But at the very least, dont bother with finding a deal on Gunbroker, especially an 1903
>>64291391belgian prototype breech loading conversion of an M1844
>been watching a lot of Sharpe recently>LGS suddenly has a Baker Rifle in stockDo it do it bros?
To the anon who owns the Mauser Tank Gewehr I have a questionNot trying to buy it but if you were to sell it how much would you ask for it? I'm almost certain I cant afford one but I am curious as to their price so if I ever see one atleast I'll know how good it is
>>64291531they've been going for $10k-20k at auction past few years ($35k for the Kurz version) . Don't think I would sell mine, its too fun to shoot. https://youtube.com/shorts/Jf2X_yu-kEE?si=CMDa9jDeM5KwLH8w
>>64291846Damn I wish I had the money to shoot a gun like that, that often>$10,000Ehh maybe if I find some old guy who hates his kids but still wants to give it to a young guy over another boomer I can get one for cheaper than that>Kurz versionNever heard of this please enlighten me
>>64291878They made a version with a shorter fatter barrel. They are even rarer, I tried to get one but I tapped out at $22k and it went for $35k.
>>64291895Good lord thats a lot of moneyWhat do you do for work that lets you buy all this stuff?
>>64290946In my experience, less than 1000, more like 800 for a nice example. If it's something like a national match, then you're talking 2000+. A genuine sniper will be expensive. If the reciever has the pederson device cut it may go for more. If it's in pristine condition it may go for more like 1500. If it has some kind of special collector value it will go for more (tied to a specific person, place, the USMC, etc). There's all kinds of variants. But if you're looking for a bog standard 1903 or 03A3 that's in nice condition and will be a good shooter you should be able to get it for no more than 800 (unless prices have started coming back up). With bayonet, it's more. Don't worry about the "low serial number" issue because it isn't really an issue unless you're dumb enough to shoot bubba's pissin hot hand loads. The handbooks are available for free as pdf's from the US army archives IIRC. I once saw a kit for converting a standard 1903 to 22lr. IIRC it was a bolt and a barrel and chamber insert. I don't remember if there was something to convert the internal magazine as well. Wish I'd won that auction. IMO it's absolutely worth it to watch C&Rsenal's video on the 1903. One of Hemingway's favorite rifles was a 1903 that he sent to Griffin and Howe to be sporterized. As a hunting rifle it went with him on safari in Africa. Reportedly he loved it for its rugged reliability. Owning a 1903 will put you in good company.
>>64291317>Other than the nice one that sold back in July for I think 3.8k, there was another one on GB recently that wasnt bad BUT it was immensely cursed because of the shitty checkering the boomer did on the entire stock. Shame.You got a link to that July one by any chance? I'm trying to keep track of prices so that I know what's a fair price when I do finally find the right one. As for Bubba, it seems a fair amount of Lee Navys got fucked by Bubba sporterizations which is odd considering how uncommon the ammo for them is.
>>64291969>You got a link to that July onehttps://www.gunbroker.com/item/1115051013this one would've been right up your ally. for the condition this one is in 4k is a fair price. I would say, generally (minus a Maine rifle) none should be over 4k
>>64290946>what can I expect to pay for one?Like >>64291936 said: $800 should get you a good condition "shooter" WW2-era rebuild on a "high-number" receiver. You can probably get one on a "low-number" receiver for a couple hundred $ less. The stigma on "low-number" M1903s seems to be on the wane in the current market tho. Just this past weekend I was watching a number of M1903s sell; one very much like pic related (ex-Mk.I receiver rebuilt during/after WW2 w/ new barrel and "C" stock) sold for ~$840 AFTER auction premium and sales theft. Same auction was a 1910-made Springfield example that showed no signs of any later upgrades, refurbishment, or metal refinishing –basically a time capsule of the M1903 rifle as it was being manufactured in 1910. Despite being a "low-number" it sold for ~$1000 after fees etc., I think because it was recognized that a rifle which didn't undergo some sort of refurbishment during its life is a comparative rarity in US milsurp.
>>64290700The Frommer Stop isn’t THAT obscure, but I’ll always remember an anon here many years ago describing it something like>a .32 pistol that’s so needlessly complex that it’s somehow more desirable by virtue of being a complete mechanical nightmare. Honorable mentions are the Polish Wz.38, the Marlin Hyde M2 submachine gun, and of course the Luger rifle.
>>64290700>What's an obscure milsurp prototype/design that lives in your head rent free?This little shitbird right herehttps://simpsonltd.com/products/C48431
>>64292378>Polish Wz.38Kinda based how the Polish government itself always snatches these up whenever they come up for auction to bring home to Poland.
>>642924956 out of the 9 known wz.38's are owned by private collectors in the US. One is in a polish museum, one in a russian museum, and the other is a german private collector
>>64290816I would really like to know how it operates. The bolt/bolt carrier telescopes into the wrist of the stock and the return spring is presumably housed behind it,since there's a metal cap on the toe of the butt suggesting the stock is hollowed out.
>>64292180>this one would've been right up your ally. for the condition this one is in 4k is a fair price. I would say, generally (minus a Maine rifle) none should be over 4kThanks anon. That definitely would have been perfect if the timing of it wasn't bad, I had to buy a car back in April after insurance totaled mine earlier this year. It's been a slow recovery to build the gun fund back up again. You have any further progress in reloading for yours?
>>64292525Oh, I thought they bought a second one recently, still pretty funny.
>>64292816>further progress in reloading for yours?not too much more. I have another round of test loads sitting on the bench I need to go take out.I'll take a progressive pic of the 220 swift brass project when im back from work so you can see the comparisons
