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>>64290700
>What's an obscure milsurp prototype/design that lives in your head rent free?
This autoloading M1903 lookalike. Supposedly belonged to the founder of General Radio Company, but whether it was some project they attempted or just something he owned is a mystery.

>>64290784
damn... goddamn that looks smooth!

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>local gun range got rid of the rental full auto ppsh because a few dumbasses couldnt control it and kept shooting the ceiling
FUCK
FUCKING FUCK

>>64290700
I've been really wanting an M1903 recently, what can I expect to pay for one? are there any websites I should look for one on or do I just lurk fuddbroker until I find one that isn't overpriced?

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>>64286405
Picked up this Romy M69 trainer a couple days ago. Stock was shortened and a spacer and pachmayr white line buttplate was added. I have a different stock on the way.

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>>64290952

>>64288040
Still waiting for one that doesn't have a sewer pipe of a bore to show up. The last one I saw was the RIA one that was documented to the USS Maine which sold for over $30k.

>>64290952
>>64290960
Nice.
Weird thing about the MAS 45; the front sling swivel does double duty securing the barrel to the stock. That is something I do not like at all. I can't imagine using a sling that is literally pulling on the barrel won't have a terribly adverse affect on your accuracy. Fortunately I'm not fond of slings to begin with so it's not a problem. And if I ever do run a sling on it I'll just add another swivel a little further in on the stock.

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>>64291124
Other than the nice one that sold back in July for I think 3.8k, there was another one on GB recently that wasnt bad BUT it was immensely cursed because of the shitty checkering the boomer did on the entire stock. Shame.

>>64290713
Some sort of Monkey Tail?

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>>64290946
There is a resident 03 autist who should arrive any moment to answer your questions. But at the very least, dont bother with finding a deal on Gunbroker, especially an 1903

>>64291391
belgian prototype breech loading conversion of an M1844

>been watching a lot of Sharpe recently
>LGS suddenly has a Baker Rifle in stock
Do it do it bros?

To the anon who owns the Mauser Tank Gewehr I have a question
Not trying to buy it but if you were to sell it how much would you ask for it? I'm almost certain I cant afford one but I am curious as to their price so if I ever see one atleast I'll know how good it is

>>64291531
they've been going for $10k-20k at auction past few years ($35k for the Kurz version) . Don't think I would sell mine, its too fun to shoot.
https://youtube.com/shorts/Jf2X_yu-kEE?si=CMDa9jDeM5KwLH8w

>>64291846
Damn I wish I had the money to shoot a gun like that, that often
>$10,000
Ehh maybe if I find some old guy who hates his kids but still wants to give it to a young guy over another boomer I can get one for cheaper than that
>Kurz version
Never heard of this please enlighten me

>>64291878
They made a version with a shorter fatter barrel. They are even rarer, I tried to get one but I tapped out at $22k and it went for $35k.

>>64291895
Good lord thats a lot of money
What do you do for work that lets you buy all this stuff?

>>64290946
In my experience, less than 1000, more like 800 for a nice example. If it's something like a national match, then you're talking 2000+. A genuine sniper will be expensive. If the reciever has the pederson device cut it may go for more. If it's in pristine condition it may go for more like 1500. If it has some kind of special collector value it will go for more (tied to a specific person, place, the USMC, etc). There's all kinds of variants. But if you're looking for a bog standard 1903 or 03A3 that's in nice condition and will be a good shooter you should be able to get it for no more than 800 (unless prices have started coming back up). With bayonet, it's more. Don't worry about the "low serial number" issue because it isn't really an issue unless you're dumb enough to shoot bubba's pissin hot hand loads. The handbooks are available for free as pdf's from the US army archives IIRC.
I once saw a kit for converting a standard 1903 to 22lr. IIRC it was a bolt and a barrel and chamber insert. I don't remember if there was something to convert the internal magazine as well. Wish I'd won that auction.
IMO it's absolutely worth it to watch C&Rsenal's video on the 1903.
One of Hemingway's favorite rifles was a 1903 that he sent to Griffin and Howe to be sporterized. As a hunting rifle it went with him on safari in Africa. Reportedly he loved it for its rugged reliability.
Owning a 1903 will put you in good company.

>>64291317
>Other than the nice one that sold back in July for I think 3.8k, there was another one on GB recently that wasnt bad BUT it was immensely cursed because of the shitty checkering the boomer did on the entire stock. Shame.
You got a link to that July one by any chance? I'm trying to keep track of prices so that I know what's a fair price when I do finally find the right one. As for Bubba, it seems a fair amount of Lee Navys got fucked by Bubba sporterizations which is odd considering how uncommon the ammo for them is.

>>64291969
>You got a link to that July one
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1115051013

this one would've been right up your ally. for the condition this one is in 4k is a fair price. I would say, generally (minus a Maine rifle) none should be over 4k

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>>64290946
>what can I expect to pay for one?
Like >>64291936 said: $800 should get you a good condition "shooter" WW2-era rebuild on a "high-number" receiver. You can probably get one on a "low-number" receiver for a couple hundred $ less. The stigma on "low-number" M1903s seems to be on the wane in the current market tho. Just this past weekend I was watching a number of M1903s sell; one very much like pic related (ex-Mk.I receiver rebuilt during/after WW2 w/ new barrel and "C" stock) sold for ~$840 AFTER auction premium and sales theft. Same auction was a 1910-made Springfield example that showed no signs of any later upgrades, refurbishment, or metal refinishing –basically a time capsule of the M1903 rifle as it was being manufactured in 1910. Despite being a "low-number" it sold for ~$1000 after fees etc., I think because it was recognized that a rifle which didn't undergo some sort of refurbishment during its life is a comparative rarity in US milsurp.

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>>64290700
The Frommer Stop isn’t THAT obscure, but I’ll always remember an anon here many years ago describing it something like
>a .32 pistol that’s so needlessly complex that it’s somehow more desirable by virtue of being a complete mechanical nightmare.

Honorable mentions are the Polish Wz.38, the Marlin Hyde M2 submachine gun, and of course the Luger rifle.

>>64290700
>What's an obscure milsurp prototype/design that lives in your head rent free?
This little shitbird right here
https://simpsonltd.com/products/C48431

>>64292378
>Polish Wz.38
Kinda based how the Polish government itself always snatches these up whenever they come up for auction to bring home to Poland.

>>64292495
6 out of the 9 known wz.38's are owned by private collectors in the US. One is in a polish museum, one in a russian museum, and the other is a german private collector

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>>64290816
I would really like to know how it operates. The bolt/bolt carrier telescopes into the wrist of the stock and the return spring is presumably housed behind it,since there's a metal cap on the toe of the butt suggesting the stock is hollowed out.

>>64292180
>this one would've been right up your ally. for the condition this one is in 4k is a fair price. I would say, generally (minus a Maine rifle) none should be over 4k
Thanks anon. That definitely would have been perfect if the timing of it wasn't bad, I had to buy a car back in April after insurance totaled mine earlier this year. It's been a slow recovery to build the gun fund back up again. You have any further progress in reloading for yours?

>>64292525
Oh, I thought they bought a second one recently, still pretty funny.

>>64292816
>further progress in reloading for yours?
not too much more. I have another round of test loads sitting on the bench I need to go take out.
I'll take a progressive pic of the 220 swift brass project when im back from work so you can see the comparisons

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>>64292394
> Bore very fine, chamber has thin surgical saw cut through the top handguard into the chamber per post WWI Treaty of Versailles deactivation requirements, as do all FSlK 16, skillfully preserving historical integrity of the piece.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Shut the fuck up nigger it's RUINED

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>>64291936
>>64292376
I forgot to say thank you both very much for typing all of that. I also forgot to mention that I'm specifically looking for the original M1903 with the straight stock as in the pic attached, not the M1903A1 or later. do those fetch a higher price? I'm just looking for a shooter, not a collector piece. also, when you say that it'll handle anything that isn't bubba's pissin' hot handloads, that means that it'll handle modern .30-06 and that it doesn't require M2 ball, right?

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>>64293198
You'd think they could at least knock the last $250 off that price.

>>64293264
Do you want a "S" stock with or without finger rests (the "grasping grooves" along each side)? "S"-stocks w/o finger rests were made during WW2 both as spares and fitted to new-production Remington-made M1903s. Do you want the "high hump" handguard with the concave upward sweep toward the rear sight that your pic has? If you're looking for a rifle with only WW1 or earlier features then it will require you to either be more patient and diligent in your search for one, or to raise your acceptable price range if you don't want to wait. You can still find one for under $1K. I bought pic related not quite two years ago for ~$935 after fees etc. A mid-1919 Mk.1 that went through a light refurbishment probably at the start of WW2 when it was stripped of its Mk.1-specific features and got a Remington-made bolt assembly. Metal wasn't refinished though, and the stock has only been lightly sanded at some time since the original inspection and proof marks are still legible. Bore is good and it is a good shooter.

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>when you say that it'll handle anything that isn't bubba's pissin' hot handloads, that means that it'll handle modern .30-06 and that it doesn't require M2 ball, right?
You'd be hard-pressed to find modern factory-loaded .30-'06 that's going to be cheaper than M2 ball, but it should be fine so long as your headspace is within proper specification and the ammo is in good condition. FWIW, the ultimate Ordnance Department ruling on the subject was pic related.

Not every "low-number" rifle is inherently faulty, but an unknown percentage are, and you won't know if you have one unless and until it gets a surprise stress test. Unfortunately, the actual hard-data number of receivers tested has never been published to my knowledge, so we don't know what sort of percentage were found to be faulty during the very scientific test of whacking the right receiver rail with a hardened steel bar and seeing if the receiver shattered (too brittle) or merely bent (properly-surface-hardened but soft inner core). The faulty receivers that exploded in service had already survived a 140% proof load at the arsenal/depot which last put a barrel on that receiver, so they weren't failing from the normal stress of firing. What was happening is that ammunition was having case head failures due to flaws such excessive headspace, poor-quality brass case construction etc. which allowed propellant gases to leak into the lug spaces and stress the receiver in directions it was not designed to withstand. The properly-hardened receiver with its soft core has enough ductility to stretch until the gas can escape, but the overly-hardened brittle receiver can't stretch and it cracks instead, potentially producing jagged flying shrapnel.

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It's worth noting that the M1903 doesn't handle escaping propellant gasses well anyway, so even if your receiver is properly hardened and withstands the stress & shock the gas will flow down into the magazine well and out through the gap between magazine box and receiver, blowing the magazine floorplate off and bowing the box out, shattering the stock around it in the process. Bottom line is you shouldn't use poor-quality ammunition in a rifle regardless of whether it is a "low-number" or "high-number". And always wear your eye protection: the three worst recorded injuries that resulted from bursting M1903s were all lost eyeballs, which Julian Hatcher points out even 75 years ago could have been easily prevented by wearing shooting glasses.

I shoot new-production M2 ball in my "low-number" because it's usually the cheapest bulk .30-'06 you can find. Plus it's what the sights are calibrated for.

>>64293453
nta asking questions about the m1903, but is it true or more fudd lore regarding low number m1903's? If I come across one for a good price, should I even bother?

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>>64293815
>but is it true or more fudd lore regarding low number m1903's
That’s what this >>64293443 post is about. Yes, some are definitely faulty. We don’t know what percentage. Ordnance Department decided to replace them all because if only a destructive test will tell you whether the receiver was good or not then there’s no point in testing them all because in the end you’ll be left with nothing but a pile of broken receivers and a lot of time wasted breaking them. But there just wasn’t money to do that post-WW1 so they put most of them into war reserve and tried to limit their issue.

Even if you do have a faulty one you’re probably not going to know something’s wrong UNLESS you have a case head failure from bad ammo. You can minimize the risk to yourself by making sure the headspace doesn’t expand beyond acceptable limits, using ammunition in good condition which falls within specifications the rifle is designed to withstand, and wearing your eye protection. If those risks are acceptable to you, then go for it.

>>64293891
oh im actually fucking blind my bad, thanks for the response though. past what serial number would be considered generally safe?

>>64293905
>oh im actually fucking blind my bad, thanks for the response though. past what serial number would be considered generally safe?

This is a google question, so look it up.
I respond this way not just because I want to remind everyone that they literally have an entire world of knowledge at their fingertips; but also because when you look shit up you learn things. And not just the things you were looking to learn. You get to enjoy falling into rabbit holes of trivia or history or semi-related subjects. There is a joy in that you miss out on if you allow yourself to be spoon fed everything. Be curious. Discover. Look shit up for yourself.

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>>64293905
Approximately 800,000 for Springfield Armory and 285,507 for Rock Island Arsenal, and all Remington receivers.

>>64293963
To add to what Anon wrote here: don’t use AI for researching. It will tell you what it thinks you want to know, including making shit up using other data as a base.

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>>64293198
>$61k for a deactivated gun

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>>64292394
>https://simpsonltd.com/products/C48431
>>64293198
>>64294170
Never heard of this rifle before. Its too bad its deactivated, but what a sleek design. I'm not a big WWI guy, but I was surprised to learn that there were a few different self loading rifles in the first world war, like the RSC 17.

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>>64292992
Ok heres the progressive pic.
Left to right. Original UMC 6mm Lee Navy brass and 220 brass. A few attempts and proper bullet seating height getting the seater stem in the right position.
Final is are a loaded 100gr SP 6mm with 27gr 4895. Still hoping one day to find round nose 6mm but tough to do so SP for now. Loaded UMC round to end things out.

>>64292394
FFS what an overprice. I had no idea ALL of them were deactivated, what a shame.

>>64291903
senior level IT work
some decent investing
married (for now :-/) with dual income

I live debt free and have a decent retirement account so I spend way too much on guns. started dialing back this year and that will likely continue for the foreseeable future.

I got a question for any Enfield guys, less about the rifle and more about a tool specific to it; mine is firing fine and I haven't had any issues with it, and last I checked the headspace was fine. Today though, on a whim, I decided to check with some gauges I got, and the GO did not pass.
Thought this was weird since 1) headspace was fine and 2) I've had no issues chambering rounds, so I measured the gauge and got a rim length of .0647" (measured at multiple points with a micrometer).

Guess my main question is, are the gauges shit? In my (admittedly not long) experience as a machinist, GO gauges are usually not oversized by that much.
Second question is if the Enfield is fine being close to the edge of the GO limit? I'm asking for the purposes of reloading and case life. It's a Rifle No.4 and the Bolt Head is a 3.
Looked in other places for this question and answer but usually headspace questions are about being too big.

>>64295400
my 8mm gauges are shit. basically just wear eye pro and shoot it and see if any gas escapes the chamber

>>64295438
Like I said, I highly doubt it's a problem; SAAMI has cartridge specs at .064 - .010, all my brass sits around .060, and I figure the reason I don't see people asking the question is because headspace being tight is a non-issue- either it'll chamber and be snug, or not chamber and you know you have an issue, vs large headspace.
If it somehow is, like I said the bolt head is a 3 so there is room to "open it up," though it'd probably be a headache. I'm just trying to figure out if I've wasted money on the gauges or not;

Actually yeah as I was writing this I've figured out I've been jibbed, though not fully ripped off. It was listed as being "SAAMI spec" gauges but the NOGO is .070 (well like .0698), which is the old military NOGO. Damn those perfidious Serbs. I could probably turn them down, but it's still annoying.

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>>64290952
I picked one up a few years ago for like $80. It was really dirty when I bought it and I had to replace the trigger spring too. But hey, it was cheap and I find the Prague Spring connection interesting. They're basically what the Mini-Mosin should have been.

So while I really want to love this little gun, I just can't. The bolt on mine is an absolute pain to operate. Closing/opening it takes a crazy amount of force, like it's grinding metal on metal. It's hard to believe a 22lr has a stickier bolt than my Mosin. I've done several deep cleanings on it with zero improvement. Bolt reassembly is also an absolute nightmare. Hands down the worst experience of any of the milsurps I own.

I'm pretty sure the guys that killed Ceaușescu were former Patriotic Guards that had to use these things.

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Well lads, I did pick up that 98/48 for 600 dollarydoos, I couldn't pass up such a pristine rifle especially when I found out it came with a German bayonet with nice plum finish.
Also speaking of training rifles, found this little sucker for 200, and of course went home with me. Also couldn't pass up the meme of buying 22lr and 8mm Mauser at the same time.

I've been eyeing up M1 Carbines. Gunbroker is a complete meme, and I cant seem to find any good deals that aren't some Universal Reproduction M1 Carbine. Any places I can find a reasonable USGI M1 Carbine? Is there any reproduction that isn't complete garbage if I cant locate one?

>>64296899
whats the show situation in your area? You can usually find one for a non-shit price if youre patient and consistent. Failing that, just roadtrip to Vegas or Tulsa and call it good then.
Also for you whats a deal? a great find on a non repro these days will minimum be in the 800s so whats your budget like?

>>64296908
I'm fine with spending 800 - 1,200 on a decent USGI, but unwilling to go past 1,000 for a repro. Is that reasonable?
There's some decent shows in Colorado Springs and Denver, never have been to one though. I'll check out the next one. Failing that a trip to Vegas wouldn't suck.

>>64296929
Yea at that range you can easily find something in the 1-1.2k range. Just be patient you'll find something easily

>>64296710
Good pickups. Jelly of that 22

>>64296710
What exactly is the 22?

>>64297013
>Good pickups. Jelly of that 22
Tempted to pick up a WUM-1 for 650 as well, but I didn't want drop anymore money like a dumbass and I only had 2 free hands. I think the 22 was score by itself, my only thing with it is the rear sight was busted off and some boomer on ebay wants 600 fucking dollars for it. Luckily our state's gunshow is coming up within a month and might find one there in parts bin.
>>64297071
>What exactly is the 22?
J.G. Anshutz Standard Modell, by the looks of it, it's a commercial version of the German military trainers, which I think are DSW 34 or something like that.

What milslurp bolt action wartime rifle is both great to look at from a condition/manufacturing quality perspective and not too crazy to source/afford ammo?
Owned a mosin, cheap ammo but garbo everything else
Owned two swede boltys and they were great
Owned a Ljungman and that was great too but not a bolty so not as much fun to fiddle fuck

>>64297608
Honestly a K98 is the best bet if you can get one for a good price
If you can get one that was captured by Yugoslavia then you have German quality at super cheap prices
Also 8mm surplus is super cheap. I buy it at like 20-30 cents a round and it’s not that cheap Turkish shit it’s prewar German and 70’s Yugo (although you might have some trouble finding prewar that cheap since honestly I got lucky with it)

>>64297608
1903 or a 1917 can scratch that itch

>>64297699
I've been out of the gun game for almost 10 years.. what models are you referencing exactly?
>inb4 lurk moar
help an oldfag out would ya

>>64297699
>>64297785
disregard I'm just fuckin stupid

>>64297608
Could get Spanish/South American Mauser. Cheap and many have been rechambered to 308.

>>64290784
I'm surprised no guns beyond the Garand have a tilting bolt to reduce receiver length. Guess it's just a bitch to get working right.

Full Mum Type 99 on Legacy collectibles for $400 (has duffle cut)
I do kinda want it but I really don’t feel like making the trip to my LGS and dealing with all the paperwork so I figured I tell you guys

>>64300205
Just get a C&R if youre that lazy

>>64297608
Lee-Enfield

>>64301734
Not 21 and I dont want an A&D book for the ATF to sniff at

>>64302105
I would love to see any stat that shows the ATF ever audits tabletop C&Rs.
But anyway that Type 99 sold so youre in luck anyway it wasnt really worth the time

>>64302105
its duffel cut and the bolt is mismatched. the mum is nice, yes, but I agree that with shipping + bullshit its not a must buy. They would probably have asked $600 if it was matching.

>>64302188
Eh I sold a boomer collector a duffle cut mum'd arisaka that was also mismatched for $600 so thats why I was thinking I'd get it lol

>>64302233
thats seems to be within the price fluctuations so both are typical. Although Legacy pricing a Type 99 that low when typically something like that can be sold by/to boomers in the 600s is interesting considering Legacy skews higher.

>>64302233
considering pricing +shipping+tax+transfer fee youd hit $600 anyway.

>>64302254
Legacy has no tax on items only shipping cost which would've been $60 and my transfer fee is only $20 so I probably would've made atleast $100

>>64302287
I don't think you understand how sales tax works

>>64294542
Damn, nice. I've heard that .240 Weatherby Mag brass is some of the closest you can get but that means finding it to begin with and trimming a belt off the case. Do the resized .220 Swift cases feed alright or did you start to have issues if bullets were seated too deep?

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>>64302403
>.240 Weatherby Mag brass
Yes, but 220 swift is the easiest to convert as it requires no brass work. I wish I had gotten some of those 25-06 builds that Buffalo Arms did a while back before they went eternally out of stock. Seating the bullet high makes up for the shorter neck without having to draw the brass thin by extending it while still leaving enough of the bullet to engage the rifling. I wish there were more longer and round nosier 6mm available on the market. The 220 swift feeds..........fine. The action/magazine is a piece of work to begin with so you can end up with some funky FTFs or rounds setting free of the follower and getting stuck bullet tip down in the clip guide groove. Another problem that isnt exactly exclusive to the Lee Navy is spitzer rounds (or these SP) can sometimes catch the feed ramp wrong and blunt themselves. 220 swift rims are also ever so larger than the semi-rim of original 6mm Lee Navy but it doesnt affect extractor engagement and theres been no issue with extraction/ejection.

220 is a good all round solution to loading for a Lee Navy. You can get more complex and exact, but for the occasional times I take it to the range, its perfectly adequate.

>>64301050
My image search has failed. What is this firearm?

>>64299919
>I'm surprised no guns beyond the Garand have a tilting bolt to reduce receiver length.
The M1 does not operate by a tilting bolt nor would I say that tilting bolts reduce the length of receivers. the M1 bolt not being parallel to bore apparently does more to reduce the sights height-over-bore

>>64303020
I assume it’s the ass- backwards monkey tail conversion posted earlier ITT.

Are cz82s still a thing? Haven't seen any pop up in a long time. Seem like they were the best of the eastern block pistol range.

>>64299919
Because no regular person would think of that, it's weird as fuck just like the rest of the M1's design (piston on bottom instead of top, magazine follower powered by mainspring instead of its own, hammer fired instead of striker fired like bolt guns, etc.)
If I were to make an early semi-auto, the first thing I'd think of is just to put a piston on an existing bolt action design rather than a make a clean sheet and fairly novel design.
Not to say that it's bad, just quite different from its contemporaries and surprising that it's better than them.

>>64304747
The M1 is just an RSC1918 you can load through the top. It’s goofy proportions stem from the requirements that it be overall the same length as the M1903, have the same barrel length and length of pull as the ‘03

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so now that pantifa trannies have used c&r guns in the last 2 political shootings what will /msg/ do with their collections when the bans and confiscations happen?

>>64305124
People see guns with wood as harmless, so for now /msg/ still in the clear. I don't think they are going to take away guns too much money and work to accomplish, instead they just make ammo an ID requirement to obtain.

>>64305124
>USAID funding cut
>commie terrorists start using 98ks instead of Ar15s
theres more guns in this country than commies. would be more practical to leave the guns and round up the commies

>>64305124
nothing ever happens

>>64304747
>put a piston on an existing bolt action design
this is what a lot of interwar experimental and even pre WW1 semi-auto experiments did. Nothing took and it made them needlesly complicated and bulky. Semi-autos needed to be made from the ground up to surpass the complete asinine procurement and approval processes of the time.

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I'm the anon who posted the MAS 45 last thread. I was cleaning guns and had bolts out so the opportunity to take a picture and show off the relative size of the MAS 45 22lr bolt to other rifles presented itself.
From left to right :
Old (late 50's I think) Savage Model 110, chambered in 30-06
Springfield 1903
MAS 45
CZ 457
Keep in mind that the CZ 457 is fairly beefy as 22lr bolts go. A Crickett bolt is probably the size of the front of the CZ bolt.

>>64305910
Blue board anon

>>64306080
Gave me a giggle. Thanks Anon.

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Have some WW1 revolvers.

Went to the MAX show in York, PA last weekend. Prices of 90% of everything utterly fucked. Grey blanket of gunbroker infamy was there. He had a Finnish captured SVT-40 cut down to carbine length. No idea if historically accurate, was cool to handle, also $4,000. Figured it'd be higher if they're actually that rare.

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>>64306389
I give you a WWII revolver in payment

>>64305124
you lost

Best .30 Carbine ammo?

>>64307549
Probably PPU idk

>>64307549
>>64307549
>>64307549
best for what purpose?

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Whats on your guys' wishlist for the upcoming fall/winter show season? For those that make the trip to the November Tulsa and January Vegas show, what are you hoping to pick up?

>>64309302
Im planning to be at Tulsa and there are some high end things I'd be interested in, but honestly im trying to cut back significantly on spending and acquisitions, so I'll probably just wander around with like $1200 and see if I can find a couple of ~$500/600 blackpowder pieces

>>64309302
>>64309302
Completing my 7.62 Mauser collection

>>64309302
>Rolling Block of some 7mm variety
>unshaved Webley
>unconverted Springfield 1812 or 20s
>Maybe a Luger or Styer 1912
Holy grail find would be the RCS 1917

>>64309302
Hopefully I can find a Gewehr 41
I’ve found some really nice 43’s online but I’ve passed them for the fun of trying to find them in person and maybe get a better deal
I’ll probably have 6-8 thousand to bring to Tusla so hopefully I can have fun

>>64309302
The local shows usually have nothing reasonable in terms of firearms so I mostly go looking for brass I could use, accessories, and bayonets. Could use a M.95 bayonet and some 8x56R brass this year though I'd be surprised to find either. Might start stockpiling .220 Swift brass for a Lee Navy if I get lucky.

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So uhh how straight are these supposed to be?

>>64310121
perfectly fine.

>>64305124
Relax. Its the second biggest gun grabbing party’s turn in charge rn

>>64310121
Op rods are supposed to have a very slight bend in them so that's perfectly normal. Garand is a weird design, but hey, it just works.

>>64311269
Is that where they bend? I always figured the cases of them bending were around the rail or the wrap around part

>>64305124
Nothing because the grabbers and the tranny psychos are the same group. They won’t acknowledge it.

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>>64311290
seems fine from my armchair

Damn turns out my K31 is not accurate at all, about 2-5 inches high and 3-5 to the right at 100yds…
My M41B was pretty good, with the scope it shot about a 1.5 inch group 3.5 inches low and with the iron sights it shot 2 inches high and left but that front sight is kinda chunky so it might just be me on that one

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>>64311512
skill issue

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>>64311512
Adjust the sights and/or check for warpage in the stock putting pressure on the barrel.

>>64312179
What exactly does the warpage look like?
Also I heard that you can use the tang screw to adjust the zero a bit and I had that screw decently tight along with all the other screws on the gun so that might’ve messed with it. How tight should you have the front barrel band on?

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Life or death scenario and you can only use one of your surp guns- which one are you picking? Hardmode no semi autos

For me it's gotta be the P14. Luv me .303 and the bolt is smooth as butter

>>64312366
Life or death scenario
An odd way to put it. Like I’m plopped down in an arena shooter and have to run to the best weapon spawn with which to fight in a one-life free-for-all?

An enfield no1mk3 I suppose. Ten rounds, rapid fire, big pointy bit on the far-away end.

One milsurp to last the rest of my irl life? FR-8 I suppose. Maybe M96 if I had the opportunity to stock ammo.

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>>64312366
gotta have something with an optic

>>64312366
K31. It's the one in the best condition, most accurate, and with the most rounds downrange. Also isn't as much of a pain to field strip and service as other bolt/manual action milsurps.

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>>64312366

>>64312366
No hardmode, my L1A1. Hardmode mmmh my M28-30. I wouldn't take my K31 like this guy >>64312630 because ammo availability is poor and it's actually a little finicky when it comes to sand ingress and stuff. The absolute unit of a monolithic receiver does nothing to help clean it

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>>64312250
Take the handguard off and see if the stock is contacting the barrel anywhere other than the forearm tip.

>>64312366
The only semi-auto ‘surp I have is my M1911, so it’s going to be pic related. Light, handy and accurate.

>>64312366
>no semi auto
assuming it was general purpose societal collapse type life or death....
probably my K31, or I would 'cheat' and plug the gas port on a G43 and use it as a 10 round straight pull

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>>64312366
Easy mode

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>>64312366
Hard mode

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>>64312366
>Easy mode
My M16A1.
>Hard mode
That's going to be a hard one but I'm inclined to say either my M1917 or my Portuguese m/937A.

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>>64296710
based m98/48 enjoyer. Take it somewhere nice

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>>64312366
Extra-hard mode

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>>64312815
Unfortunately it looks like it is, anything to fix this or would you basically need to buy another gun?

Redpill me on the 1935 .30-06 Mauser. Is it true they were originally chambered for a different cartridge, then bored out for the (then standard) Allied rifle round and this caused accuracy issues?
Also, do modern synthetic Mauser stocks fit the actions? I kind of want one with a scope mount but without tapping and drilling the receiver.

>>64315487
Not today CIA

>>64314024
is the bayonet lug extra chonky on that thing for a reason or am I just looking at it wrong?

>>64315792
Oh fudgebunnies, you caught me. I was going to ask you real nice to do a terrorism and offer you feet pics if you did. uwu

>>64314565
>anything to fix this or would you basically need to buy another gun?
You remove some of the wood.

>>64314565
It looks like the stock is closer to the barrel on the left side. Is it still this way when you hold the rifle horizontally level? Tipping it up like this might cause the stock to flex in a way that it wouldn't when you were holding it as if you were shooting. The solution should be relatively simple like >>64316086 said: you just remove a little bit of wood to make sure the barrel has the proper clearance at that point. Do more research into the factory bedding of the K31 to make sure where the barrel is supposed to make contact and where it's supposed to be floated.

>>64315487
>Redpill me on the 1935 .30-06 Mauser. Is it true they were originally chambered for a different cartridge, then bored out for the (then standard) Allied rifle round and this caused accuracy issues?
Which "1935" Mauser are you talking about? What country? No-one outside the US was using .30-'06 Mausers prior to WW2. Afterward US military aid flooded Europe and South America and some countries re-chambered their older 7x57mm, 7.65x53mm, and 8x57mm Mauser rifles in .30-'06 to take advantage of the ammunition supply. Some countries also purchased new-production .30-'06 Mauser rifles from FN in Belgium.

>>64316242
The rifle was being held muzzle to the sky it’s just that phone posting rotates it for some reason

I’ll look into possibly removing some of the wood but I’d really hate to do that so I’ll think on it

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>>64316273
I just want to make sure: you have tried to adjust the front sight blade to correct the windage, right? Also are you shooting GP11? Not all commercial 7.5x55mm is going to match GP11 ballistics, and that's what the sights are calibrated for. If the ballistic trajectory of what you're firing doesn't line up with what the sights are calibrated for then the bullets won't impact where the sights are indicating.

>>64316484
Yeah I was using GP-11 at 100yds and I haven't tried correcting the windage. It was shooting to the right so should I move the front sight to the right or left?

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>>64316598
Move the front sight right. IIRC Bloke on the range has an explanation of how the Swiss intended the K31’s sights to be used.

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>>64317037
>have your armorer-artificer take a squint at it

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well since I guess we're swiss posting now

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>>64318127
We must go back even further

Good morning /msg/ what are your disjointed out of context surp thoughts for our collective Saturday wisdom?

>>64318911
She has such a beautiful hole

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>>64318911
I wish wagies worked weekends and brought my clips and bayo already
(Had a whole rant ready about what would possess a man to design a rifle that cannot be single loaded without possibly damaging the extractor but I guess you can sort of finagle it so eh)

>>64316242
Belgian FN Peruvian contract 1935 Mauser in .30-06. I think it's essentially just a large ring, long action Gew98 but with the slightly longer chambering. It's marked FN Belgium, does that mean it was .30-06 barreled at the factory (essentially making it a recursive Springfield clone)? Accuracy shouldn't be an issue, even though I'm admittedly not a great long range shooter? I'd like a modern poly stock that I could in theory mount the scope directly on without bubba'ing up the receiver any.

>>64318911
Is vaginal sex with a FtM tranny gayer than buttsex with a MtF (post op)

>>64319184
Since you can't have gay sex with a woman or straight sex with a man, case 1 is 100% straight despite being motivated by gay thoughts, case 2 is 100% gay.

>>64319184
A woman is still a woman, no matter how disfigured.

>>64319184
holes a hole anon
see >>64318968

>>64319178
The Peruvian M1935s were all originally in 7.65x53mm. Anthony Vanderlinden’s book on FN Mauser says that FN assisted with the 1950s conversion of these rifles to .30-‘06 including supplying new bolts, but doesn’t say if new .308” bore barrels were fitted or if the original .312” barrels were merely reamed out at the chamber.

>>64312366
Easy mode? M1 Garand, but only because my M1 Carbine technically doesn't count. (It's a Universal receiver with a USGI M2 parts kit minus the fun parts)
Hard Mode? Probably my 1936 Izhevsk M91/30. The bolt is weirdly smooth for a Mosin.

Is there any oil or similar that's decent for semi long term storage? tl;dr I have about 90 surp rifles and pistols that will be on display and handled every so often, so cosmoline or thick waxes or anything else like that is out of the question- and from what I know about most oils used with guns it seems basically all oils evaporate very quickly

>>64319249
Yeah but "she" is fat, hairy, and looks like Danny Devito
Meanwhile the MtF is absolutely passing in every way, maybe the rotpocket is unconvincing up super close but you're going in the backdoor anyhow

>>64309852
>Could use a M.95 bayonet
https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/Austrian-Mannlicher-M95-Rifle-Bayonet-6114-p785172490

$165 not bad, you could find them at shows for 100 tho if youre lucky.

>>64319299
Checked. Both would be reasonably accurate, minute of human out to 200yd or so? Obviously the factory fit barrels would shoot better than the gunsmith specials, but it's unlikely to make that much of a difference with irons correct?

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So, uh, here's a shot in the dark. Does anyone have a 9S415? They were used to guide Malyutkas. They seem rare in Europe, but almost impossible state-side.

>>64321332
>first fielded in by NVA in 1972
Yeah we were pretty much done by then. I can’t imagine too many made such an intentional journey to burgerland after the ussr fell either.

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>>64321140
>Both would be reasonably accurate, minute of human out to 200yd or so?
I think it's going to depend on the shape of .308" projectile you push down the .312" bore. A .308" bullet with a flat base that can still obturate decently in the oversize bore will probably still work decently, but a boat-tailed projectile will probably have poor accuracy because it won't sufficiently engage the rifling.

>>64321537
I think I've seen only a single listing ever in the U.S.
I'm sure there's >1 unit in this country, but man, it seems like a term game to find one.

Got to shoot a Full auto FG-42 today, guy who had it somehow managed to make the SMG FG42 a select fire

>>64321967
The FG-42 is a select fire gun tho?

every gun is select fire if you select when to let go of the trigger

>>64322004
Not if you put the grip assembly in a minimi in the wrong way.

>>64321993
Ok then let me reword it
He had a semi auto that was converted to full auto while still having the semi automatic capability

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Price check on aisle /k/. There's a local guy selling a "new" in box Mosin. 500 USD obo. I feel like Mosins typically go for 3-400 now but I'm not sure how much premium the NIB condition is.
Was there an equivalent to Mitchell's Mausers but for Mosins to look out for?

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>>64322056
>NIB condition
This rifle has probably been refurbished multiple times; it is definitely not “new”. The box adds no additional value.
>there an equivalent to Mitchell's Mausers but for Mosins to look out for?
Mitchell’s imported Mosins as well; they’d even throw in a copy of Enemy at the Gates if you bought one. They faked PU snipers but AFAIK didn’t bother altering regular M91/30 because at the time the rifles weren’t worth the effort of fakery.

>>64322056
>mitchells
not really to that degree although some importers did reblue or add scopes. The majority of mosins in the US were soviet arsenal refurbs of WW2 guns and are generally in "NIB" condition. if condition is important for you than a super clean example for $500 would be fair, but personally I wouldnt spend more than $350 on a Mosin, any mosin, unless it had something going for it other than condition - like a rare variant or rollmark

>>64322056
$450 only cause you get a sling and bayonet.

>>64322056
I might be mindbroken from all the $700 shitrods at gun shows but that might be an ok deal. If its swagged out with all the accessories and you don't have to pay ffl or shipping its justifiable. Its not unique or special so you can always try to negotiate or wait for the next one to pop up.

>>64321563
Sounds like it needs a bench test then

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>>64322093
The OG lefty meme

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>>64323337
LOL

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>>64322093
>>64322099
Thanks. I'm well aware of soviet arsenal refurbishments (which in my mind is an acceptable part of its history), which is why I put "new" in quotes. I probably should have clarified I was moreso asking about importer refurbishment (which in my mind isn't). Consider my enthusiasm properly curbed now.

Now I'm upset that I didn't get a free DVD with my first Mosin, all I got was a fuck ton of cosmoline.

>>64322122
Same. I see $700+ all the time now so I was surprised when I saw this listing. I might see if the guy will take $400 if it doesn't sell quickly.

>>64322056
I will refuse until my last breath to pay $500 for a post WW1 nugget that isn’t Finnish.

>>64322056
if you have the money and want it, then get it if everything about it is to your liking.

>>64323337
KEK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAPBmBIdBZ0
HOLY MY BENIS

>>64325387
The National Firearms Act of 1934 delenda est

>>64322056
>tfw last time I bought a mosin was when Century was importing them for $150
I am beyond pissed I only bought one. I still have it too, and as far as mosins go, it's nice. Mirror bright bore and it isn't counterbored.

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i only play nightmare difficulty because im not a cuck

>>64325827
sexo

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>>64323609
https://panzerfaustarmory.com/shop/ols/products/1942-mosin-nagant-f342b6
Join the statistically-significant minority group of 1942 Izhevsk 91/30 owners.

Speaking of mosins, has anyone else had this happen?
>fire mosin
>it's way off to the left
>attach bayonet
>zero is good now
Did they zero them such that you need the bayonet attached?

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>>64327226
>Did they zero them such that you need the bayonet attached?
The Russians/Soviets did, yes. They didn't bother issuing scabbards for their Mosin bayonets because their doctrine dictated that the only time the bayonet wasn't affixed to the rifle is if it interfered with transport (riding on a truck or a train). All M91 infantry and Dragoon models were zeroed with the bayonet on; only the Cossack model wasn't, though the Cossacks were still issued bayonets. The Cossack sabre sheath had a built-in component to hold the Mosin bayonet. It's one of the reasons the Mosin bayonets are serialized.

The bullet is a fool, but the bayonet is a fine chap.

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>>64326931
Tempting, but might not be much better after shipping, tax, FFL (I'm not a c&r), etc...
Coincidentally though the one I was looking at is also a '42 Izzy.

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>>64327812
>Coincidentally though the one I was looking at is also a '42 Izzy.
Izhevsk made more M91/30s in 1942 alone than the entire production of the US M1903 at Springfield, Rock Island, and Remington from 1903-1942.

>>64326200
>when you measure powder in ounces

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Rolling Block tiem

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>>64328395

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bump

I’ve heard that Gewehr 43’s will just destroy themselves no matter what you do to prevent it if your shooting them. Can anyone confirm that in any form or is it just fudd lore?

Hey MSG, I want to get the best shooter M1 as possible. My plan is get a late 55 early 56 M1 Garand Receiver and then send it to Fulton to have a rifle built around it.

Anything else I could do to make it better?

>>64329589
typically the back of the receiver bends out, top cover cracks at the rear

>>64329589
I have had a firing pin housing break on mine before. it fucking sucks cause very few people want to repair that shit locally. still a cool gun but it's effectively a wall hanger for me.

>>64329589
In stock configuration they generally beat themselves to death. There's a few parts you can get to prevent that though.

>>64329589
you have to swap the gas port with a threaded one and then put in restrictor plugs or just full plug it and use as a bolt action.

the bolts and receivers are prone to cracking due to excessive recoil

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>>64325387

>>64330021
Ah I was under the impression that they would break regardless of Gas adjustment, might get one now instead of saving for a G41 lol
I'd probably not use corrosive ammo for awhile but how do you clean corrosive ammo out of them? Would you say this is the proper way to do it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l7Yurywf4Q

>>64330404
why not get an fn49 in 8mm

>>64329667
Probably glassbedding the stock if Fulton don't offer that and then never taking it apart again.

>>64330410
I've thought about and I'll be honest I just want a G41 or G43 cause they are cool German rifle
It'd be more enjoyable for me to own one of those over a FN-49 (although I know a guy selling an FN-49 for $1,000)

>>64327226
did you try google zoomtard?

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>>64312366
I've shot deer with it

>>64320138
>already sold
Thanks for the link, anon. I'll keep my eyes open at the local show in 2 weeks and maybe ask the bayonet collector there if he has any. I'd love to get a OEWG marked example since my rifle is made by Steyr.

>>64330404
I would never be dumb or poor enough to put corrosive anything in my G43s

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Can someone tell Othias to stop with the school teacher schtick? It is so cringy I can't even watch it. Also mildly retarded of him to say "the rebrand was to be seen as more serious/professional" then open your show with a Ballistol ad that is loaded with sexual innuendos and puns like its for K-Y lube.

>>64331848
Fair enough, I should probably get into reloading then so I don’t spend a fortune Everytime I want to shoot it

>>64333082
I would tell him but he actively ignores me so it wouldnt help. but yea, its cringe, I cant watch his content anymore

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>>64333082
This is why I've resorted to reading esoteric, out-of-print books about surp that were written by detail-obsessed autists instead of watching fat and roided up E-grifters spit out glorified Wikipedia page entries.

>>64334648
>glorified Wikipedia page entries.
Lol. I realized guntube was shit when I first read Strumgewhr!. So much info packed into that book you could do a semester worth of study off of that one book.

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Any fellow G98/40 enjoyers out there?

>>64334648
I agree but finding esoteric, out-of-print books gets pricey and fast. I wanted to die spending $180 on the Collector Grade FAL book.

>>64334648
That is a very nice color on the furniture on the bottom one? Is it painted black or is that natural?

>>64334857
You can always pirate them, and if you want to contribute, you can scan and torrent for people to read. I don't have the link on hand there is a very nice person here who in past threads has uploaded a MEGA folder of “Collector Grade books” to download, I'm pretty sure it even has the FAL book.

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>>64334920
>Is it painted black or is that natural?
I honestly don't know. I wanna say it is the original finish on an abnormally dark toned stock, but this one kinda eludes me because it's in great shape like most non-RTI M95's. Extremely happy that it's Landes Gendarmerie Kommando Kärnten marked on the buttplate, and the typical annoying side swivel has been removed/plugged.

what did you guys do with your swiss k31 troop tags? leave it in the stock or take it out for safe keeping?

>>64335179
leave it. taking them out is how they get lost

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>>64335179
>mfw when i opened mine up to see if it had one only to come up empty

I got me a Yugo SKS finally and it's still got some cosmoline on it. How autistically should I disassemble it to clean the cosmo off? A friend recommended I soak some of the parts in cosmo, but most of you YouTube videos I've seen just has them field stripping it basically and spraying it and wiping it almost immediately. What's the proper methodology for this?

>>64335329
just wear shooting glasses and wipe the cosmo off the lenses when youre done

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Real marksman hours

>>64335353
>marxman

>>64335358
Nice

>>64312366
EZ mode is my SKS, hard mode is my cop surp Model 10-6 chambered in .357 Mag (it was a precursor run of the Model 13 for the NYSP). I should try to shoot a deer with it desu. Already got one with my Model 27 last year, so I have my Model 19 and proto Model 13 left for .357 mags that have yet to kill a deer.

>>64335329
you could also leave it out in the sun for an afternoon and sweat it out

>>64335396
This works really well actually, especially on a super hot summer day.

>>64335329
Dunk it in gasoline for a month.

>>64335329
only bother with the bore and chamber and bolt. might as well leave the cosmo on the exterior to help protect itll mostly start to leak off when you shoot anyway just bring a rag

>>64335329
th bolt is the most important tho so make sure you autisticaly diassemble and clean it completely so none can leech back into the firing pin channel

>>64335353
im thinking if I do get something with a scope Id want to get a type 97. that mite b cool. Other than a shit bubba job at turning down the bolt, i feel like they are harder to fake than other sniper variants of things.

>>64335329
*A friend recommended I soak some of the parts in mineral spirits
Sorry, just realized I wrote cosmoline instead of mineral spirits.

>>64335896
Yes we figured. any nonpolar solvent will work. Seperate the wood bits from the metal bits as much as possible. Heat and time are your friend. Lots of boomers just used boiling soapy water. You absolutely want to get the shit out of the chamber because that’s what causes the infamous “sticky bolt” in mosins. You’ll break the extractor or get a stuck and/or broken case in a semi auto. you wanna clean the bolt well too. It has a non-spring-reset firing pin so cosmo heating, setting and hardening causes the infamous SKS slam fire issue where it goes full fun unpredictably

>>64333082
What in the fuck is that muzzle device? Locally made blast can? Mini silencer? Poorly clocked XM-177 moderator? Strangest BFA you've ever seen?

>>64335396
NTA but I'd add to do that in a trashbag especially on a black surface. Or in the back window of your car in a trashbag but I HIGHLY recommend putting a towel under it just in case the bag rips because garbage bags are...well, garbage, anymore. All fun and games until your carpet in the rear window forever smells of cosmoline.

>>64335896
I like mineral spirits but it has this weird oilyness to it. Smells good, though, IIRC. Unless it doesn't and it's turpentine I'm thinking of. Or both.

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>>64335353
>tfw your SVT doesn't have a scope
I love this thing, but it kinda scares me since the upper part of the receiver doesn't quite have a perfect seal with the top cover. I'm told this is just the usual Ivan engineering, but I'm always a little nervous about it.

>>64337359
You mean the top cover over the recoil spring?

It's just a dust cover basically.

>>64337895
Yeah, that part. If you look at the picture you can see a TINY gap at the top of the rear, about 0.5mm. The gun runs smooth as butter currently, but that gap always spooked me.

>>64335509
I had to do that with my chinese sks. I did the shake test and the firing pin didnt move, when I broke it down it was completely filled with cosmoline

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Took off my brass butt plate on my RTI no4 mk1, and it was the stinkiest of Ethiopian bright neon greenish goop that I had removed with a rag, how dangerous is this oxidized goop? Am I going to die? I made sure to wash my hands.

>>64337359
Weren't all SVTs cut for scopes or was that only a 40-41 thing?

>>64338377
Only some are. It got dropped later on.

WHY HAS NO ONE TOLD ME THE M.95 AMMO POUCHES ONLY HOLD 2X2 CLIPS NOW I HAVE A MISMATCH AAAAAAAAAH

>>64338377
All of them were until halfway through 1941 when they gave up trying to turn the rifle into a sniper and just deleted that part of the design to streamline production.

>>64337359
nice AVT

>>64335203
Feels bad man. Nothing in either of mine. I think importers are opening them up for themselves and stealing them, or re-listing them separate for a markup.

>>64338231
RIP anon

I thrifted a weird modernized ALICE today. It's coyote brown and the only marking is a tag that says PMK Rescue Solutions. PMK was a short-lived defense contractor that went bankrupt in 2018. I can't find any information about their products. Did I acquire some failed prototype?

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>>64297608
Get a vz24. They’re aesthetic and most Czech and Romanian issued models were actually fired in anger at humans so they have aura

>>64338231
It’s literally just oxidized brass mixed with oil. You’ll live

>>64337359
does it wiggle back and forth in the stock?

>>64338231
>he got cursed by the potion of an ethiopian witch
nice knowing you

>>64338182
yeh the average person never checks inside the bolt they just wipe the outside obvoius shit but inside is where all the hot cosmo flooded when the whole rifle was dunked in. and when the rifle heats up from use it will melt and ooze out then dry or get sticky and fuck up your pin in the forward position and youll have a super cool time at the range

>>64340375
No, it's completely solid. I'm glad I got it for "only" $1500. I know the syrup drinkers can (or could) get them for cheaper, but still.

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>>64340381

>>64340390
Paid $320 for mine, 12 years ago. Feels bad man. Now they're "Prohibited" thanks to our retarded Liberal government.
An SVT40 with a 5 round mag is an assault rifle, after all. Didn't you know?

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>>64338231
>goop in anon's BUTTstock

>>64340759
Bring it to the border and I’ll smuggle you whatever handgun you want

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>>64338231
Any pics? Also slings/holsters do that around the brass hardware as well; thankfully it's usually soft and easy to remove. I had this surprise waiting for me under a no 3 MK I buttplate so it could always be worse.

>>64340256
Check /GQ/; they've ID'd weird shit I've found before. And post pics. >>64320594

>>64340759
you shouldve organized with other based canadians and formed a resistance when the trucker convoy was going on

>>64341038
>usually soft and easy
It was exactly like this, was just worried it was some satanic shit that Uli made a deal with Ethiopian witches.

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Man licker accessories get
(Which retard thought having pouches that only hold 4 clips was a good idea)

>>64342146
I really need a M95M so I can enjoy the homosexual licker without having to use a hipster cartridge.

>>64342253
You just reminded me, I saw an M95M in a local store about a year ago but it was bubba'd, had a shit bore, and literally zero finish left. Awful way for a milsurp to go.

>>64342146
you supposed to have 8 pouches on a belt. whered u get pouch?

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>>64342325
>you supposed to have 8 pouches on a belt.
I only ever see four –two per side– in photos.

>>64342146
Aw fuck the bayonet won't fit all the way in
God damnit Austrians

>>64342325
Aukro

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>>64342253
>to avoid using hipster cartridge
>buy hipster rifle instead

>>64342415
>Aw fuck the bayonet won't fit all the way in
>God damnit Austrians
LOL only two of the four M.95s I've owned could fit my lone M.95 bayonet.

>>64342434
Now it fits :^)
I suppose hand fitting parts is about what I should've expected from an interwar gun

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Any smelly lee autists got advice on building this 7.62 NATO ishapore action back to being functional? I'm unsure on sticking a No. 1 MkIII bolt in with a 7.62 extractor and hoping it holds, besides headspace also being a problem.

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>>64342415
>Aw fuck the bayonet won't fit all the way in
>God damnit Austrians
>>64342434
>LOL only two of the four M.95s I've owned could fit my lone M.95 bayonet.
I hope I get lucky and find a bayonet that fits my M.95 without any issues.

>>64343794
>303 bolt in 7.62 receiver
Fuck no, don't do that.

>>64344035
Should I just sell it? I've never seen a .308 bolt on its own for sale.

>>64342415
get a rubber mallet to tap it on and off and it will loosen up

>>64343794
>besides headspace also being a problem.
this alone should be the factor that stops you.

>>64344035
There's no such thing as a 7.62 bolt for a 2A; Ishapore just went back to the British steel standard for the 7.62NATO rifles after having reduced steel quality to make cheaper .303 rifles.

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Was a sub-clause of the Versailles Treaty that all Gewehr 98 stocks be chopped into fucking firewood? In 20 years of collecting I've never seen a surp stock for one, ever.
Picrel is a 1916 Amberg Gew.98M that I bought for $400 last year knowing it was wearing Persian furniture. Functions and shoots great as is, but I'm an autist for historical accuracy and this is looking more like an impossible effort the more I look and ask around.

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>>64342146
I've never seen a gayonet with that little curve on the end, do you have a serial number or something? I'd guess maybe an earlier production?

>>64342415
>Aw fuck the bayonet won't fit all the way in
>God damnit Austrians
Some of it's just luck, but also listen to this anon>>64344519 and use a rubber mallet, that's how I got mine to fit for a while, and eventually the metal morphed enough to come on and off by hand

>>64344864
So they were in fact .303 bolts with different extractors? Then I may as well just see if one headspaces right cause the barreled action seems pretty worthless on its own.

>>64345294
you realize there was a whole nother world war between the treaty of versailles and when you got the rifle right

>>64345426
nta but I had a 2A1 with a Lithgow bolt head and a 7.62 extractor in it. Never had any issues shooting it. From what I can find the difference in metallurgy between 303 and 7.62 bolt head was to address corrosion instead of strengthening it for the 7.62 cartridge. I could be wrong but also you don't see that many pictures of blown up Enfields.

>>64345423
>I've never seen a gayonet with that little curve on the end

...really? It's the NCO variant, what you have is the enlisted variant.
They're a bit more rare but not by that much, I'm honestly baffled you haven't seen one before.

>>64345423
>>64344519
I tried a mallet but it absolutely refused to lock on, had to file the rear of the lug down a little.
It was already displaying some signs of being filed down before so I suppose hand fitting was common.

>>64319375
Renaissance wax. Apply, let dry, then buff. Repeat for several coats.

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>>64345490
Of course I know that, but stocks for picrel are widely available despite the total production difference for both rifles not being drastically apart. I've seen more G98/40's for sale in person (~140k ever produced) than a single Imperial German rifle stock made at least 9 million times. Ffs you can still find furniture for every other major power's Great War rifle if you dig around. I guess I'm just doubtful that Third Reich reissued guns, inter-war mil aid to Spain, Finnland etc, and Bubba's Sporter Emporium have caused such a consistent lack of parts availability for this one rifle that has never exactly been hard to find.

>>64346487
>the total production difference for both rifles not being drastically apart
There were 10 million more Kar.98k than Gew.98s produced. And yes, Versailles did require the Germans to destroy or dispose of literally millions of infantry rifles.

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>>64346624
I learn something new from msg daily, thank you. Where are my fellow FB VIS & P 35(p) enjoyers at?

>>64346328
>Renaissance wax.
Can second this stuff. Bit pricey but it goes a long way and works great.

so 4 usgi m1 carbie mags are having problems locking in and you have to press and wiggle them back and forth like crazy? Meanwhile the fitfh one locks in instantly?

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one day

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>>64290700
that last military bolt action made by madsen
that last police bolt action by the guys in brasil
they live in my head
as well as GENERAL ROBERT E. LEE
Yeeehaw

>>64348413
thats Carbine mags for ya. They did not stand the test of time, you go thru 3 for every 1 that works reliably. Enjoy

>>64350400
are all the new repros shit?

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>>64342415
there are bayonets with rings for rifles & "real" carbines with a smaller muzzle ring diameter
there are bayonets for carbines from shortened long rifles which have a larger muzzle ring diameter

apart from this, do you mouth breeding amerisharts now understand the reason for muh german autism of numbering every part? because a numbers matching bayonet/rifle combo needs not rubber mallet to get it on.

>>64348413
>>64350400
original m1 carbine mags were single use, delivered preloaded. they are not build to last.

>>64350139
whats that little shit under the bayonet lug

>>64350412
equally shit

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>>64350463
Or you could just make guns with interchangeable parts. Just a thought.

>>64350463
>understand the reason for muh german autism of numbering every part

Yeah, the reason is that your manufacturing base is shit and you can't keep the parts size consistent enough for them to be interchangeable.

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>>64350139
Someone in California put a Hakim in an e2 stock and now I want to get my Ljungman AG-42B with a twin crack right at the base of the receiver bedded in an e2 stock, those MG-25 25 round mags or whatever, a bipod, and maybe some diopter sights with a scope and run it like a support rifle.

>>64345814
>...really?
I dunno, I've only ever seen the one I have in real life, and that was ordered off Ebay, so M95 bayos as a whole are definitely not common around me. I guess it's just luck of the draw, but if they're as common as you're saying, I wonder why I've never seen on the internet. Hell if I know

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>>64350711
>open an auction site
>out of the first 16 results, 6 are NCOs

Also there was another variant for the carbine that had an auxiliary front sight on top of the muzzle ring.

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/msg/, requesting a red pill on a Swiss Schmidt-Rubin,1898.
gun overall looks smooth, no pitting. stock seems to be oddly pieced together but has an original look, pic rel. what kind of price range should i be looking at for one that seems in good condition

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>>64350729
Well I guess I'm just blind or something like that

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>>64350737
Lowball at $400, compromise at $450-500 ish, more if you get ammo or other goodies thrown in. That's generally what Simpsons sells them for and they mark the fuck out of everything else up but for some reason their Swiss rifles are priced really fucking fairly.
>Welcome to the family fren, making waffenfett is better than standard oil. Seriously, you want a more viscousy and chunky thing than ballistol or you WILL get so much biting with the bolt.

>>64346773

Over here.

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>>64346773
Favorite pistol to shoot

>>64350551
no american p1917 maker has parts interchangable with other american p1917 makers, why did remington, winchester or eddystone not make it interchangable?

>>64350661
oh really?
tell me about the american production base of ww1 which was so shit they had to adopt british patterns, or field brit. rifles to begin with? and the 3 manufacturers of the pattern1917 managed to have such big spec differences not even the barrel bands were interchangable?

>>64350861
If they aren't interchangeable why does my Eddystone have Remington and Winchester parts on it?

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>>64350551
>>64350661

whut iz a non numbers matching k98 or m95 (like 90% of them) and why does it go bang if parts arent interchangable? kraut space magic?

pic not related but i want this to answer ops question.

>>64350896
postwar refurb, if you are lucky.

>>64350885
>tell me about the american production base of ww1 which was so shit they had to adopt british patterns, or field brit. rifles to begin with?

Why build factories to build more Springfield's when you already have 3 factories making Enfields you can just change to 30-06?

>the 3 manufacturers of the pattern1917 managed to have such big spec differences not even the barrel bands were interchangable?

Literally not true.

Go buy an M1917

>>64350901
Yeah.....their parts were mixed when refurbed.....because they are interchangeable.

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>>64350908
like most k98s and m95s out there, so what?

>>64350904
no need to, already have. now show me yours.

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>>64350914

Are you not following the conversation at all, retard?

>>64350923
explain for a retard please.