Post Gear, Discuss Gear"Modern Warfare" EditionOld: >>64349717
>>64382304>tactiniggas
Didn't I say it seemed an impulsive buy?
>>64382313Welcome back Radovan and good to see you. This is your daily reminder that RMA sucks./gq/ Infographic Emporium:https://imgur.com/a/gq-infographic-emporium-1-00-1lZ5xw6Legacy Infographics: https://imgur.com/a/k-infographic-reserve-AIKzwWF
>>64382319You did. We dogpiled it nonetheless in classic /gq/ style.
>>64382304I miss McNig like you wouldn't believe. He was cool.
>>64382332We will remember the old heads always. I wonder what happened to Armorus Maximus.
Old pic making the rounds again. Successful save by a Hesco plate (4401?) in Bakhmut, Ukraine, ~2023.
>>64382304Is Bolt Force a cowboy now? What a wild timeline shift.
>>64382520You're looking at Agent Wolf and his compatriot, Captain Kneepads.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTd-L87qr-4
Is the direct action dragon egg gtg ?
Anyone have the Carcajou Tactical NVG Skull Harness? Do you like it? I was looking at various nvg head harnesses. The new tracer tactical v2 seems nice but I dont like how it there isnt any retention in the nape. The Carcajou seems like it would be more secure.
>>64383140Those things are fucking stupid. Just get a bump helmet. The shittiest Chinese bump helmet is far better than the best "NVG skull harness / Skull Crusher / Nightcap".
>>64383140These things are retarded. I used to go into the field with two helmets, one was my actual issued helmet which sat at the bottom of my ruck and I had a $70 airsoft replica which I wore the whole time unless we were doing live fire. No one ever discovered my trickery but I know drivers who have neck problems from spending cumulative years with their helmets on driving with NODs.
Any recommendations for handheld binoculars? Something good enough for me to spot hits at the range since I dont want one of those large spotting scopes. I dont know what a realistic range for binos are, but 100yds at least
>>64383477>spot hits at the range >100yds at least.223 at 200 yrds takes magnification and light. This means large objective.
>>64383477Spotting scope is the only way to do it. Army snipers wouldn't hike 20 miles up a mountain with a spotting scope if they could get away with using binoculars.
>>64383512>>64383489Unfortunate. Are there any poorfag scopes?
>>64383521>poorfag scopesUnder what, $200, $500?
>>64382540Oh! The other security retards! Cool.
>>64383521https://ads.midwayusa.com/product/1020449785
>>64383521Even if you could get binoculars powerful enough, you wouldn't be able to hold them steady enough to see bullet holes at that distance. Seeing .223 holes at 200+ yards is getting close to the physical resolution limit of any spotting scope. You'll need a pretty good one to have any chance of seeing bullet holes under good atmospheric conditions, and even with the best scope you won't see much if the mirage or light is bad. There's no reason to bother with a cheap spotting scope because you'll just be buying a better one as soon as you find out how poorly it works.>>64383140>>64383243I have a nightcap. It works well with a PVS-14. Not so well with dual tubes. It's not as stable as a helmet and I wouldn't want to wear it all night every night, but it's a good option when weight and size are a priority. I mainly use it for camping when I want to pack NODs just in case, but don't plan to use them for long periods of time.
>>64383607>poorfagIt really is just a question of money. But thx for getting me spun out on optics (easy to do !). Not really related to your question, but more /out/ gear, and something new: https://www.highpointscientific.com/zwo-seestar-s50-all-in-one-smart-telescope At $750, a nice piece. Connect with a foldable phn or IPad and let the star party commence! So much processing, interface and automation it is worth mention.>>64383636>There's no reason to bother with a cheap spotting scope because you'll just be buying a better one as soon as you find out how poorly it works.Ha. How many do you have? I knew this going in, I so went by catagory, astro binos, ultralight spotter, mid grade spotter.>Celestron>Leopold >TheronMy Newtonian is a different class.
>>64383728I had an 11" Celestron cassegrain reflector at one point, but found astronomy boring so I sold it. I've had probably 4 or 5 spotters and about the same number of binos over the years. Now I've narrowed it down to two spotters: my go-to is a Vortex Razor HD 85mm. The older version before they went to the stupid Swarovski-style barrel focus ring. I also have a Bushnell one with a mil reticle if I want to range stuff without pointing a gun at it, but it's just barely acceptable. For binos, I mainly use a pair of Leica Ultravid 8x42s, but also have a pair of Trinovid 10x50s and Zeiss 8x25s.
>>64383629Agent Wolf doesn't need armor. He has no use for a platecarrier. Night vision is useless. He finds what he needs and needs only what he finds. When the enemy draws near and he allows himself to be seen, Wolf, commander of Urban Assault Security (yes that's their name) simply deploys his Wakizashi and Odachi and cuts the bullets in half. When the going gets tough, he deploys an AR-15 with a D-60 drum, another D-60 drum in the stock, and an underbarrel flamethrower. With his license to kill and guard card, the only arson is in the hearts of his enemies.If only we could master his skills.
>>64383827>Agent Wolf doesn't need armor>has armorwymbt?
>>64383829He only wears armor for insurance purposes. When he does, it is only the finest SOV-4000 DragonSkin rated to defeat 7.62x51mm M948 tungsten sabot at mach 3.55.
>>64383785>For binos,>Zeiss 8x25s.These sound nice. I got lucky on a pair of Windriver (a Leopold economy line) at a show for $100.>astronomy boringAstronomy is like piano, no fun if you don't enjoy it, then it just takes up space.
>>64383848These sound nice. I got lucky on a pair of Windriver (a Leopold economy line) at a show for $100.The ones I have are the cheaper model. Terra or something. They're decent, but honestly the Nikon Trailblazers are almost as good for 1/4 the price. I've never used the Windrivers, but I assume they're about the same. I think compact binoculars are just limited by the form factor because I don't see a huge difference as long as you stay away from the super cheap walmart ones.
It's over...
>>64384080>super cheap walmart ones.Honestly, I am only familiar with Big 5 Barska brand and would gladly recommend a pair as cheap, full featured, (not small) binos. For the price, the current technology blows away anything from previous art. https://www.big5sportinggoods.com/store/details/barska-8-24x50-gladiator-binoculars/0540125730034
>>64384118holosun is making their stuff in the US now right?
>>64384118It's brinksmanship and his style of the Art of the Deal. They will cave. I do get tired of the leftist, alarmist, Chicken Little sky-is-falling sensationalism "reporting".
>>64384118sms schizo returns>>64384139Last I checked, not everything. They probably brought enough stock over to "tank" this until the tariffs go back down. The only products that might get significantly hit, because nothing is seemingly stateside yet, are the SMS trinity and the new breed of more capable digital NV (Nvg3rd / GNG2K / NVG-90). Oh yeah, and the multicam black pimp capes. Damn it I was gonna buy an 05 DeVille, paint it multicam black, and put kickin' gold rims on it. Oh well.>>64384145Well that's sms schizo for you.
>>64384158>They probably brought enough stock over to "tank" this until the tariffs go back down.I wanted to get a couple additional holosun optics. Another 507c so I can swap the EPS carry to my rifle, and maybe that rifle enclosed dot for an AK that needs an optic.
>>64384213I'd buy sooner rather than later just out of precaution.
>>64384230I have a lot of stuff going on that is preventing me from doing so. 2025 has genuinely been my worst year so far. Here's to hoping things blow over soon or there's a really good sale.
>>64384240Well it's always a terrible idea to buy shit on credit (I have a feeling sezzle has more suckers than most people think and if people get laid off that's gonna come knocking), so if you need to wait for funds, definitely wait. Hope things get better for you. Don't rule out buying used.
>>64384158>that's sms schizoSadly, he's not alone.
>>64384252He'll be joined by everyone who wanted to get Militech plates, but now cannot, because their $150 shipping fee is going to go up to $300 - temporarily - until this gets worked out.
>>64384249>wait for fundsFunds aren't the issue yet. We will see though.
>>64384297Best of luck, may the Jinwudun Spirit be with you.
>>64384400I appreciate that anon, I'm fearful that I will need it.Steele has a night vision sale right now by the way.
>>64384774Glad to help friend. Speaking of night vision, that's excellent timing for Steele given how much of a flop it looks like the digital NVG-90 will be. $1,000, just dropped a few days ago but is still "comming soon."
Gents. Operation turkshit shotgun FLC is a go. I'll be putting four IDOGEAR tall GP pouches across a cheap FLC I got for twenty bucks, should let me carry eight 10 round magazines. Total cost of the rig should be just over $100.Will report back when it's all assembled.
Offtopic (pls no bully), but be careful on /diy/. One honest post about treating a home rat infestation with chlorine gas and next thing you know you're back to PC posting only. Ridiculous. >>64383140I have the tracer. It works okay, but right where the shroud is located develops a nasty hot spot in around the 4hr mark. If you look around for the boonie hot mod for this thing, I think that would work best. That being said, it is vastly inferior to any sort of helmet setup. It looks retarded either way.>>64385106I look forward to your results. Honorary fellow trash operator. I've wondered how those esstac cards would work with flc doubles.
>>64385258Thanks, I'll throw a hydration pouch, Radtel RT-880, a dump pouch, and some other gear on it eventually, but the idea is to keep it a semi-lightweight unarmored "shotgun scout" rig.
Been wanting to upgrade from my old carrier to something with. Etternside coverage, picked up this Point Blank with full IIIA inserts and the Bushodo Tactical cummerbund for $140. Just been seating my pouches out to Ranger green.>inb4 you need super lite plates only and 3 dangle pouches. I like cozy coverage.
>>64385517>keep it a semi-lightweight unarmored "shotgun scout" rig.Same, but for PS90 and popup ground flare pouches, which are tight but great.
>>64385782>you need super lite plates onlyLol, that's been out of style since 2022. Lightweight plates often make serious compromises to get down to the weight they're at. The best zone is to be in, overall, is the midweight silicon carbide arena.
>>64385804Nice. If I need armor for this and can't justify my full setup (TT vest, with 2x MA33, with neck / deltoid IIIA / 4601s & 4101s I'm still saving for to replace my L210s) I'll probably grab a slickster and a pair of 3411s (run under the FLC) so I have M855A1 defeat plus NIJ cert and 2" minimum shot spacing of a III over the worse shot spacing of a 4403 (~4") or SRT against common street threats.>inb4 fuckin' hesco fanboy y u buy from company with four nij suspensionsBecause Highcom's a shit and LTC's objections are objectively inferior at this price point with the debatable exception of the 19513 vs 3411.
What boots do you lads like for hiking?
>>64386832Not Lowa and not goretex if you like cool feet. Goretex ist nicht geil mein diiga
>>64386832I like high boot with flat soles mostly but that also assumes lots of bushjust hiking on trails get trail runnersunless you're doing mountains in the snow in which case waterproof, otherwise you want something that can drain and just bring extra socks if you have to do a river
>>64386876Thanks anon, which trail runners do you like?
>>64387643Just go to a shoe store and try some on.
>>64387758Seconded. Everyone's feet are different.
Whats the cheapest battle belt I can get away that isn't a total piece of shit? I just want to be able to carry a holster and IFAK and a couple pistol mags as first line below my chest rig.
>>64388562one of these
>>64388562Give your budget.
>>64388562>>64388595Actually, don't even give your budget. Look at the top of the thread for the infographic.
>>64388591Anything but an ALICE belt, something with a little more comfortable of a buckle
>>64388608I've never found the old alice buckles uncomfortable. The only problem I've had is they can sometimes come unhooked if you wear them too loose with shoulder straps.
Do any companies sell a decent battle belt that’s already set up with a holster and mag pouches and shit?
>>64388640Yes.
>>64388608>>64388619FWIW there's ~3 different pistol belt buckle styles out there. The metal one as shown, a weird grey one that has an interesting and odd buckle (just look for it, impossible to explain the shape), and a regular black "buckle" like every modern backpack or whatever uses. Might want to look into the different kinds, but they're all pretty big.
>>64388688Any recs? Budget is flexible
>>64388727I was going to chime in but I don't have mobile posting at the moment. Afaik 1956 was the metal and alice plastic. Could be confusing with chinese knockoffs though.
>>64388619>>64388727I'm thinking the typical plastic buckle would be best. I honestly think something like a beefy riggers belt (I like velcro) would be good.
>>64388727The gray buckles are meant to be quick release. You pull on the tab and it pops open. These came after the metal buckles, which can be damn hard to release in a hurry. The regular plastic buckles came in the mid-90s I think. Both the gray and new black plastic ones are getting brittle from age and I've seen a few of both types fail, but they're still probably better than the generic chinese plastic buckles you find on cheaper off-brand modern gear.
>>64389096>plastic bucklesI have a cheap off-off-brand chinese war belt and that buckle is liable to blow. Also the back can't sustain a Fox Outdoors buttpack with a folded E-tool in it without bending. Treat belts like vests. You get what you pay for - usually.I'm going to replace it with either a T-Rex Orion or maybe a Jinwu IIIA armored belt.
was looking at the RMA ESRT to see if they had any redeeming models whatsoever>36mm BFD against 7.62x39 mild steel core >on a 5lb / $700 a pair plate>needs IIIA soft armor to defeat any .308 or 7.62x54R threat >The Hesco M210 is 4.9lb, stops 7.62x54R LPS cold twice without soft armor, and only about 0.19" thicker.>The Hesco is $670 a set.They're cooked.
Also it looks like they discontinued the 1092 M855A1-rated III+ meant to compete with the LTC 19513 / Hesco 3411, and two months ago they had a blowout BOGO sale on the thing (buy one for $300, get a second free) so I'm not sure what's going on.Link redirects to the III+ catalog: https://rmadefense.com/store/body-armor/level-iii-plus-body-armor/multi-curve-nij-07-tested/Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20250804232731/https://rmadefense.com/store/body-armor/level-iii-plus-body-armor/multi-curve-nij-07-tested/
>>64389857Losing NIJ cert on the 1155 probably killed them. They probably lost a lot of LE contracts over it. Which is unfortunate because as far as I can tell, that really was a lab error coupled with government unaccountability. The cheat ring scandal was legit, but that was one plate model and was rectified after people freaked out. It's interesting that the internet now despises RMA and fellates Hesco, but a 4-5 years ago it was the exact opposite even though nothing has really changed.
>>64389943>Losing NIJ cert on the 1155 probably killed themLosing cert on the 4400, 4600, 3410, and 3610 didn't kill Hesco. LTC's counterpart budget Level IV, the 26605, has been suspended and reinstated twice. LTC is doing great. Just got awarded huge contracts for LSAPI and two new (GEN-6) plates for SOCOM.I think it's more the way RMA handled it coupled with the cheat ring issues. RMA failed to disclose the cheat ring on the 1189 from 2013 until 2018, and the 1199 until 2018 as well. Also, their 1192 went from 5.7lb to 5.9lb randomly, and the one Buff got was 10oz overweight!>They probably lost a lot of LE contracts over itThe suspension would mean the 1155 is no longer eligible for the NIJ BVP program, which covers up to 50% of armor purchasing cost for department purchases of CPL'd armor. However, if you're getting 50% off on top of the usual 10-15% bulk / LE discount, why settle for the 8lb+ budget plate that literally went on sale for $100 per in 2024? Go buy some 4601s.>that really was a lab error coupled with government unaccountabilityNo... see pic related. The 1155 is a poor performer outside of youtube tests. Do you see Hesco, Highcom, or LTC complaining when their stuff got suspended? Even if it was the lab's fault, the solution is you do what LTC did.>The cheat ring scandal was legit, but that was one plate modelIncorrect, both 1189 and 1199. See above.>and was rectified after people freaked out1189 was never released in a no-cheat GEN2 version. The 1199 was but has been discontinued. The failure to disclose for years is a greater issue.>It's interesting that the internet now despises RMA and fellates HescoBecause Hesco recalled their problematic plates and has certified new models on the CPL. 4403, 4601, 3411, 3612. Also if you go on reddit virtually nobody vouches for Hesco. It's Highcom, LTC, RMA.>4-5 years ago it was the exact oppositeNot quite. RMA only got widespread acceptance in 2021-2022 during Hesco's four suspensions.
>>64389984>Losing cert on the 4400, 4600, 3410, and 3610 didn't kill Hesco. Right. My point is that internet autists such as yourself have twisted themselves into knots about the evils of RMA just like the internet autists of a few years ago twisted themselves into knots about the evils of Hesco. Who knows who the next cohort of internet autists will love or hate. As far as I can tell, every armor company is at least somewhat shady, which makes sense because pretty much every company is at least somewhat shady. Is there any armor brand available to civilians that hasn't had at least one significant scandal?>Do you see Hesco, Highcom, or LTC complaining when their stuff got suspended?Was their stuff suspended because of obvious lab errors? I would expect them to complain if so. What kind of moron wouldn't?
>>64390127>My point is that internet autists...Hardly knots, see >>64382320. The stuff is out there, people just have short memories and people new to the scene aren't getting the full story.>Evils of HescoThat's not an accurate assessment of the situation. People lost trust in Hesco, yes, which was exploited by Highcom / LTC dealers such as Apex Armor Solutions (who also sold RMA at the time) and RMA themselves to take market share. However, Hesco had widespread recalls and as evidenced by >>64389984, even the 4400 was a great performer as long as you didn't get one with a defective strike face. Bad heat treatment caused the four NIJ suspensions.>Hesco badHesco has questionable stuff too. Everyone does. Lemme tear them a new ass real quick:1. The Hesco 4800 failed in Buff's test after a drop test. .06 IV? I think not. The new 4801 is 0.5lb heavier, wonder why...2. The 4800LV was sold by Hesco's dealers as a standalone when it is in fact an ICW plate (pic rel). 3. Their dealer for the 3801 / 3811, Verrets, completely mis-advertises the 3801LV as standalone when that is not the case. It is ICW IIIA.4. The L210 allegedly shares a strike face with the 4400. Is there a bad batch of L210s that was never recalled because you can't cert / FIT an SRT? 5. Hesco, at the time Reed Composite Solutions, had a 5.4lb XSAPI called the 4520 twelve years ago that mogs their entire current lineup. What happened to that?>Next cohort of autistsIt's a fad thing. You need scandals to adjust the tide.>every armor company is at least somewhat shadyAgreed. It's a spectrum. RMA is shadier than Hesco. Highcom is in-between. LTC is cleaner than Hesco (unless you think the 26605 situation is shady) but sells worse budget plates.>Scandal-freeTencate (Integris). Never had a suspension or recall.>Was their stuff suspended because...The supposedly multi-hit Level IV 1155 failed to two .308 at 100 meters in >>64389984. Much more likely a QC issue. Otherwise, why did RMA give up?
Forgot to mention earlier that RMA is still a defendant in Salter, Kimberly J. et al vs. Meta Platforms et al (Buffalo shooting lawsuit). I'm curious if the deep discount and discontinuation on the 1092 around a month after pic rel was to help cover ongoing legal fees. I could see them "cutting fat" because of this.I know we give RMA a hard time around here, but if they genuinely had no idea of the shooter's future intentions then there really shouldn't be any damages. Gendron's previous plates were (IIRC) Hesco L210s. Merely switching them out for RMA 1092s made no difference in what happened except that RMA is being sued and Hesco / whoever the dealer was isn't.Also Blake Waldrop apparently isn't the CEO anymore. Huh.
>>64383129Idk man, it's a backpackThere's like 20 people who post regularly in this thread, unless it's not extremely popular or you have seen it posted here before, no one has first hand experience with itjust read the reviews
>>64391682*Unless it is extremely popular
>>64382304Why the fuck are most ballistic cummerbund offerings are either 3" or 5"? That shit never covers your heart, even at an angle. Why does everyone shit on 6x8" plates when they're the only thing that actually does protect at least some of your heart? Why does nobody wear DAPs, even though that's the only thing that can cover your heart from the side?Do people actually believe that ballistic threats will only ever come directly from the front or the back?Are there any sensible companies that offer 6" or 7" tall ballistic cummerbunds for their carriers?
>>64391708Because your arm pit gets in the way of any cummerbund armor protecting your heart from a level shot from the sideInstead it makes more sense to wear side armor that is comfortable so you actually keep it on over timeI haven't actually seen people shit on 6x8s but it's really going to come down to what is comfortable on your body typeJust make sure you don't wear your carrier too low just to fit larger side plates, that would be retarded
>>64391739>Because your arm pit gets in the way of any cummerbund armor protecting your heart from a level shot from the sideEven 10% of heart protection is infinitely more valuable than 0% heart protection.>I haven't actually seen people shit on 6x8s but it's really going to come down to what is comfortable on your body typeAll the hypebeast brands refuse to release anything other than 6x6 pouches, even for larger dudes. Ferro, Crye, etc.>Just make sure you don't wear your carrier too low just to fit larger side plates, that would be retardedIf anything it makes me want to wear the plate carrier higher than normal, since 5" cummerbund has quite a lot of distance from the armpit, and there's no way to adjust the cummerbund height separately from plate height on most offerings.
>>64383477Surplus M24 binos off ebay>>64391708>Why does nobody wear DAPs, even though that's the only thing that can cover your heart from the side?Because they are annoying to wear and you have other things to do with your arms. Things that improve your survivability at a higher rate than DAPs.
>>64391800Merely the matter of training with DAPs on.
>>64391708Haven't actually seen people shit on 6x8s either, unless they're trying to chase a weight target. Then they shit on them (and sides in general) a lot. If you need larger sides, certain vests allow you to use SAPI XS sized plates (7.25x11.5) as sides. This ups coverage but runs into ergonomic / weight connerns. This is an uncommon size as well. Alternatively, run large rifle-rated deltoids (Hoplite, UARM but UARM is somewhat sketchy) and 6x8s or maybe 7x9s. >Do people actually believe that ballistic threats will only ever come directly from the front or the back?It's balancing coverage versus weight / bulk / comfort. Different requirements mean different places on the spectrum.>>64391739>>64391750Solid advice.
Speaking of RMA, they just dropped a plat that's 6.3lbs and they claim it'll pass the RF3 cert, for $300. Pretty neat.
>>64382304Does anybody make a cantilever mount for rear boss ACOGs to put an RMR (or, ideally, an Aimpoint Micro) in front of the elevation turret?I want the ECOS reticle that goes out to 1000 meters but also want my stacked red dot in a position that won't require deliberate effort to keep my PVS-14 from banging into it all the time.
i didnt buy shipping insurance on my tactical pants and they be gone now fr fr :<
>>64391750>All the hypebeast brands refuse to release anything other than 6x6 pouches, even for larger dudes. Ferro, Crye, etc."All the brands that receive direct feedback from occupational end-users don't do X" should be a hint that X doesn't actually work IRL, at least for the people those mfgs cater to.
>>64393258That's the new 1165 GEN 2, which replaces the old 1165. There is also a GEN 2 1155 that is substantially lighter than the old 1155.The claimed performance gain is from 99.7% pure "Hypure" aluminum oxide over the relatively low grade in the original 1155 / 1165.I noticed that in all three test reports for the 1165 GEN2 that it was only shot with one .30-06 M2AP, with BFD in the mid-30s. They claim multi-hit Level IV / RF3 protection but that's not reflected in the test reports. Also it looks like they pulled a Highcom on the 10x12, it's nominally 9.5x11.5 but 0.8lb lighter, suggesting it's closer to 9x11.I'll review the 1155 GEN2 and the whole "Hypure" thing later. Very interesting!
>>64393444>Does anybody make a cantilever mount for rear boss ACOGs to put an RMR (or, ideally, an Aimpoint Micro) in front of the elevation turret?Nope, just weird standalone red dot mounts designed to go infront of cog>1000m 4x acogImpressive plan
>>64393510>Impressive planThe crosshair works the same out to 600m and the harassing fire area target aiming references are "better to have it and not need it, etc"IRL militaries have made less reasonable procurement decisions.
>>64393508Yeah I mean desu I don't have a huge amount of trust in RMA so until I see more knowledgeable people talk on these products I'm not a buyer, but they're interesting if it's legit
>>64393555Based trips. As the resident armor autist, it is now my obligation to effortpost this. Will handle that later when I have time.I'm not impressed with the 1155 GEN2. It's just around the same weight as a 4403 and the multi-hit report is... questionable. However, the 1165 GEN2 has promising numbers as an entry-grade "by the book" Level IV. It gets you 4601 weight but for less weight / thickness and considerably less multi hit against lower threats (6x M80 for the 4601 versus... one?). I'll probably infograph this. I want to see a 1092 GEN3 that undercuts the now seven year old LTC 19513.
>64393625*less cost / thickness
>>64393625RMA has the bad habit of lying like crazy on their product listings. The old 1192 was "5.8 pounds" on their website but almost 6.5 pounds IRL. Unless they sent Buffman a ringer, which would be even worse.Anyway, 5.5 pounds for an "HiPure" Alumina Level IV makes no sense. High-purity alumina is HEAVIER than the lower-purity grades. The plate is probably 9x11" and slightly cheat ringed. Also the 0.7" thickness makes me think that RMA is NEVER going to get this plate certified, unless they're going for 0101.04, lolIf you doubt that they lie, just look at what they're calling the new 1155's fiberglass. "Polyethylene composite". Just shameful.
>>64394199Yes they do. I'll address stuff point-by-point:>The old 1192 was "5.8 pounds" on their websiteLike many of RMA plates, there are two 1192s. The first-gen was 5.7lb nominal, second gen 5.9lb nominal. The story is that they switched from B4C to a B4C-SiC hybrid ceramic like how ESAPIs did with REV.G onward. I'd like to know why they did that, since B4C is the hardest of the three major ceramics to master - did they pull a Hesco and fly too close to the sun, as Hesco did with the 4800? ESAPIs did it because of the M995 amorphization problem. Buff's 1192 was grossly, inexplicably overweight and it is likely he was sent a ringer, possibly reinforced since they knew in advance he would drop test it.>Anyway, 5.5 pounds for an "HiPure" Alumina Level IV makes no senseThe #1165 G2 is Highcom-style nominal in a shooters cut - I agree it's likely much closer to 9x11 just like Highcom's idea of a 10x12. It is also 6.3lb for a SAPI M. Keep in mind also that the edge hit rule is still in effect for .07, so anything closer to the edge than 2" / 51mm doesn't count (0101.07 9.2.2.2). They can therefore thin the ceramic if they so choose in that area. The 1165's demonstrated multi-hit capability is nonexistent so far. The Hesco 4601 is thicker and slightly heavier (and much more expensive) but passes both III and IV requirements and has 0101.06 cert for IV.>Also the 0.7" thickness makes me think that RMA is NEVER going to get this plate certifiedConveniently the same thickness as the Alumina + PE (same fundamental materials...) Highcom 4S16, which by Top Armor's admission does not have the drop foam of the 4S17M - hence why it isn't certified.>just look at what they're calling the new 1155's fiberglassIt's 7.7lb for a SAPI M, just 0.2lb lighter than the Hesco 4403 and about 0.6lb lighter than the old 1155's 10x12" version. Clearly Alumina-fiberglass weight.Pic rel is the 1155's multi-hit report. Look at the 10/10 BFD on shot #2. /s
>>64394349>7.7lb for a SAPI M7.85, not that it matters, lol. It looks like RMA is totally chasing Highcom, BTW. A bullshit tactic IMO
>>64394374It does matter, because it's outside their advertised 0.125lb +- tolerance. Thanks for pointing that out. Always funny how when plates are out of tolerances it's almost always towards the higher end, huh?>It looks like RMA is totally chasing Highcom, BTW. A bullshit tactic IMOAs they were when they dropped the original #1155 to $100 a plate right after Buffman's first video on the 4SAS4 came out. The timing was impeccable. This tactic will work as long as people don't know to check test reports and the actual NIJ standard / CPL. The 1155 G2 and RF1 1062 both have the same "no perforation" on their test reports. I'm thinking they both pissed hot over 44mm, which isn't a fail (no perforation, teehee!) under whatever modified / abbreviated NIJ 0101.07 they're having the lab use. Gotta be careful with that.
>>64394374To add onto my prior point, have you noticed that RMA is just about the only company outside of Russia that actively recommends you buy trauma pads with their ceramic and PE plates?
>>64393555>>64394199Well, here we are, the quick and dirty RMA armor guide. This overlaps a lot with the older "rma sucks" infographic and that's by design. This goes model by model, gives specs, observations as to what the "catches" are, and viable alternatives. I included the #1189, #1199, and #1192 even though they've been discontinued just for completion's sake. Since this is meant to be a current reference guide, I am not getting into the pre-2017 models like the BZ API plate, the SAPI / ESAPI, the #1145, or the pre-2013 RMA Supply plates that allegedly used Chinese and other import materials. That's ancient lore that, IMO, has no bearing on RMA the company today.
>>64391682>>64383129You can buy alibaba version for $25
What's the italian $40 Level 3 plates of right now? They were the best value shit in years.
>>64390388They're gonna get fuck all from these lawsuits, fucking greedy pos people. They get fucking NOTHING. The makers are not LIABLE.
>>64394953You missed out on the expired Hesco 3611Cs for $250/set, and the RMA 1092 GEN2s for $300/set (this was arguably RMA's best overall plate). Hate to be a buzzkill, but cheap armor always comes with a catch. Those Italians are 0101.03 vintage and an anon or two reported they lose to 7.62x39mm mild steel core, which is basically the easiest rifle threat. The PE is just very dated and can't handle even mild steel cores. I have two of the neck plates and boy they look rough. Unless you're willing to buy Chinese, a reputable pair of plates is minimum $390 a pair. I advise keeping an eye out for blowout sales when old models are discontinued or replaced in large agency service. Stealth Armor Systems has a 30% discount right now on Dragonskin ($630 a set). Gilliam Technical Services has many cheap models available, but their reputation is nonexistent and their test reports dicier than even RMA. GTS is an industry wildcard along with Jinwudun and the latest Chinese entry, Genuine Bulletproof Equipment Store.>>64394957I hope you're right. If RMA is found liable then a precedent will be set that could chill future civilian armor sales. The sad part is that a de-facto armor ban is exactly what that gooner wanted.
>>64395057yeah they lose to anything with steel core but who cares? What are you gonna be wearing them in a war?
>>64395066"even mild steel cores" means you're getting your shit pushed in by the first rando with a magazine of green tip to spare
>>64395106no one uses that besides weird people on /k/
>>64395108M855 "green meanies" are popular with ARPs on social media. It's 39.2 CPR on ammoseek with free shipping, and is therefore a threat. It isn't exotic tungsten core like M995 that can challenge early ESAPIs out of a 20"
>>64395123>ARPs >on social mediaSo niggers?
>>64395141>So niggers?yes, that's what he means.niggers use M855 because they think it's armor piercing.
This conversation is reminding me I need to pick up a case of M855.
So I got myself an MBAV strandhogg which is practically just a gen2, I'm looking into just a 3 mag for the front right now and I'm trying to find FS's own 6/12 3 mag's but its either black or OOS sans FS's site, while I'm not exactly bled dry paying like 120ish for it, at 120 I could also get the AXL AVP for 60 and then like blue gears 3 mag for 60 and then I'd have placard options, besides just saying fuck it and getting a Condor MA44 for 35 bucks. Any thoughts about my routes? I do think I like the idea of having the retention cord over velcro or elastic, but I'm also not planning on stealth ops in my local ghetto. The Strand is ranger green and it'd be with my OCPs, so I could go for either color
>>64395175This reads so fucking retarded. Are you asking for placards?Here.https://shaw-concepts.com/products/arc-placard-v4?variant=46454537748695That way you can run 3, or plus up to 6.
>>64393463>Tiny subset of rucking jumping guys don't wear side plates>Anon thinks that means its industry standard>Meanwhile everyone else, across all services, gets their vest with two 6x8 side plates.>NO THAT DOESN'T COUNT!
>>64395215Sorry, I'm tired. What I meant was that I can't find FirstSpears 3mag shingle in ranger green or multicam or it's expensive. In its place, if I was going to shell out that much money, I could get AXL's avp which turns the front of my strandhogg placard compatible and then purchase a different 3 mag pouch for the same amount of cash or around it but then have more options later on. If either of those aren't worth the cash, I could just get Condor's triple stacker which is a quarter of the price, would get me my three, and still have the option for the other three or just having it lay flat. So the question is really just gathering opinions or other good options to consider.
I want something like a truth north mha for moving a holster lower down my leg, but don't like the particular design of the mha enough to want to pay $90+ for it. Or even really $40 for a knock off.Is there anything out there that has a similar or greater length, but maybe isn't just a flat bar of aluminum? The material matters less than the design.If worse comes to worst, I could probably design a 3d printable option, but I'm a lazy fuck and already have enough projects like that going on.
>>64395375https://www.amazon.com/Tactical-Modular-Holster-Adjustable-Platform/dp/B0DYNR7PXQ/ref=sr_1_8?sr=8-8
>>64395230>everyone else, across all services, gets their vest with two 6x8 side plates.Then why can't you find any cummerbunds or pouches to hold them?
These people I swear.>nobody can certify anything since January 2024, said RMA when asked why none of their new plates are certified.>Safelife gets two new models of soft armor certified in August 2024 (SLD-HG2 / SLD.HL-HG2).>Hesco got the 3811 certified in late 2024Yes the NIJ says they'd stop certifying items under NIJ 0101.06 as of 2024, but they're way behind on finalizing 0101.07 and the 0101.06 CPL, by their admission, is being maintained through 2027.
>>64383129I've got the Ghost and I love it. Dragon egg is just a smaller version of it afaik.
>>64395922NTA, but I'm not sure what the deal is. ESBI / XSBI come in both 6x6 and 6x8. There's plenty of options out there to hold them.
>>64395922Because you're looking at cummerbunds and pouches from brands that cater to "a tiny subset of rucking jumping guys who don't wear 6×8s".
>>64397126Correct, those brands cater to rucking jumping guys that wear 6x6" MSAPs.
>>64395922I don't understand. You can attach plates to any cummerbund that has molle. Which is the majority of them.
>>64397215I don't either.
Looks like Gilliam Technical Services is now working with Adept. May I introduce a new M993 / M995 rated plate, featuring a SiC-TiB2 strike face - same type as the Colossus. $500 a plate, 6.3lb for a 9.75x12 shooters, 1.15" thick multi-curve. No test report yet but it's allegedly coming soon.Basically if we take GTS at their word, it's a monkey model Adept Colossus that is slightly thinner, somewhat lighter, a little smaller dimensionally, and has no capability against 7.62x51mm Swiss P AP, for $140 less a plate. It does have a crack arrestor so multi-hit should be decent. Given the extreme rarity of 7.62x51mm Swiss P AP, I can see this having a niche if you need standalone XSAPI performance. I'll keep a close eye on this one.I guess this means the #8002 cheapo M993-stopper model was a bust. https://gilliamtechnicalservices.com/products/model-8002-max-power-rf3-level-iv-nij-0101-07-low-fragmentation-silicon-carbide-mosaic-ceramic-armor-plate-copy
Scratch that, they revised the #8002 into two versions, a 7.7lb version that passes RF3 (Level IV) and a heavier 8.4lb version that allegedly handles M993 / M995 at 1.2" thick, $400. Silicon carbide ceramic tile array.https://gilliamtechnicalservices.com/products/model-9042-rf3-nij-0101-07-low-fragmentation-ceramic-armor-plate-copyFor comparison's sake, a Silicon Carbide REV. C XSAPI is 6lb SAPI M and needs soft armor, so roughly ~6.7lb. The weight difference is consistent with the #8002 having a tile array but I'd like to see a new test report for the fatass $400 8.4lb version.
>cheap ass foam insertAre these pockets really for side plates or just aged like cheese foam?
>>64398390
>>64398390What are the approximate dimensions for each pocket? If they're sized for common side plate sizes then that'll be the tell.
>>64384145Anon shipping on Taobao is still 100 dollarydoos.
>>64398446>approximate dimensions4@ 6.5"x5", 1 (back) @~8.5"x5".
>>64398509So a 6x6" is probably tight or a no-go. I'd wager this might be a specialty thing like the BZ API mini-plates Ceradyne made for the Crye Blast Belt.
Who would have guessed that regular olive green clothes would blend in well with a wooded environment.
>>64398548based
>>64398534>Ceradyne made for the Crye Blast BeltI hope not.
>>64398615That's okay, you can put it on a 24 month payment plan with ShopPay for $96.97 a month.(Please don't actually do that)
>>64398622I live a debt free life. Who can say that?
>>64398631Not people buying Hesco 4800s at 19% interest with SEZZLE. The fact you can put armor on a payment plan is depressing.
>>64398640>born too late to explore the world>born too soon to explore the stars>born just in time to make monthly payments on rifle plates and fast food
>>64398672>my credit is 392 help me can I get approved on a pair of Gilliam Technical Services #8002s for $36.09 a month for 24 months?! I need to stop feds with tungsten core .308.We live in one of the timelines of all time.
>>64398672>>born too late to explore the world>>born too soon to explore the stars>>born just in time to make monthly payments on rifle plates and fast food>born just in time to watch the "tipping point" for the worldwide death of the coral reefs. 0.2% of the ocean and 25% of the life.Exciting times! Also, fuck the polar bears, here's to kayaking an ice-free Arctic Ocean in <20yrs!
>>64398690>We live in one of the timelines of all time>watching Gorbachev single handedly dissect the soviet union>watching Putin hit bottom, and keep digging>watching senators vote my tax money to kill Russians with no US boots on the ground Better than ever imagined!
trex arms came to repo my hescos lucas is at my door can anyone spare $19 to cover this month?
>>64398962>Imagine not just fighting that twink
>>64398968the twink left
>>64398971yeah he came really fast and then left now a huge repoman is hung at my door and won't leave unless I satisfy my debt
>>64398985it sounds like you need to get on your knees
help he's gonna take my Condor Sentry carrier and my hescos I was two months away from paying them off!! fuck!
>>64398996tell him that there are other ways you can pay. he'll understand.
>>64399004i tried that but now my ass is feeling wet and funny and he's going through my private possessions to find my hescos oh no that's my xbox 360 oh come on!!!
>>64399023damn, you have a professional there. start screaming rape, that might do it.
>>64399039i'm gaggrd and tying with my tos he's trying to fid my hescos i pt them in my dadd's soecjal drawr
ohhh fukk he took my ps2 damn it naow my scratched copy of SOCOM III US Navy Seels is going tk tbe pwn store it needs totboaste in the scrtches!!!
Well that was interesting. Anyways, I decided to bust out a quick infographic on Gilliam Technical Services (who?). Basically they're a discount armor operation with a couple models that aren't super great, a couple models that test really well (Model 1023 and 6001), and some stuff that needs to really show some proof (8002 part more and 9699). Their prices are exceptionally low, owing to the use of imported materials. They seem to give RMA a run for their money in several categories, but are weak in the SRT department versus Hesco and have zero NIJ certs. Below are their testing reports:https://gilliamtechnicalservices.com/pages/latest-nij-testing-reportsThe 1023, $260/set, in particular seems to be an excellent contender for >>64394953 going off of this 6x .30-06 M2AP test report: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0490/8492/4071/files/Model1023_6shot_30AP.pdf?Really gives the uh, RMA 1155 G2 a run for its money.
>>64398622I know that most people financing shit with Sezzle or ShopPay or whatever don't fit this description, but if an interest-free payment plan like that allows someone to buy once cry once instead of cheaping out, then that's a good thing—as long as they actually pay it off, it's better that they buy a Glock and some Hescos than a Hi-Point and steel plates.Again, I realize that there's almost no overlap between people fiscally responsible enough to do that and people who would ever need to, but the point stands.
can someone post the /k/ approved backpacks?I keep on looking for it,
>>64399876The new infographic is in the emporium, old one is in the infographic reserve list as the ""assault packs" guide.see links in >>64382320.>>64399669They allow an interest free four payment breakdown plan or the monthly.
>>64399231Why waste your time with this garage operation? No certs, literal feuding with Buffman, no proof that the plates work as advertised, likely zero QC. 99% of their sales on eBay. It's dogshit.
>>64399669If you can afford to finance it then you can afford to save for itDon't go into debt unless you need to beat a ban or something
Anyone here who also has a camera on his setup? I wanted to add my Nikon F2 to my gear but all the usually camera bags aren't compatible with a chest rigs
>>64400150Because he's an armor autistAn infographic should just tell you the best value 3+ lightweight plate, the cheapest lvl4 plate and the most lightweight lvl4 plate for people with moneyThese recommendations should only come from companies that have a long track record of reliability and honestyIf a manufacturer has not earned trust then there's no need to spotlight them, reliability is non-negotiable
>>64400207Get a gp pouch and pad it like they do for NVGs
>>64384230>FOMOClassic.
>>64385106>>64385804>popup ground flare pouches, which are tight but great.
>>64400449A little different from the TAP/FLC, and a bit more, iirc. God Bless Venture. If I can get 6x6 side plates to fit the cheese pockets that would be great. But I'm sure they will stick out out the bottom.>>64398509
>>64400452P90 hear outside of airsofft (which is fine) is hard to find. I just had all this on hand. Once I found the flare pouches fit the mags, I bought 3 more and will get 2-4 more to min-max. Pretty happy, but the H-harness is sized for big boys, or over other gear, which is also fine. I'll add a few accessory pouches, as I go.
>>64400442>FOMOIs it really FOMO when there is an active threat to something that may result in supply becoming non existent or the price skyrocketing?
>>64400449Protip for the lurkers, I use the grey handled, nylon jaw plyers to pull the molle tails taut through the web. You can also use a butter knife to open the webs to get started, if they are tight.
>>64400460>active threatI don't feel threatened. Take the staps you need to secure your comfort level.
>>64400150The test report on the 1023 is quite good and the 8002 / 9969 are worth keeping an eye on. The point of GTS, IMO, is to basically provide an RMA / Militech alternative for /pfg/. I think they do that decently. If you need dead nuts then stick to armor on the CPL. That's always been the position.>>64400203Solid advice.>>64400226>armor autistGuilty as charged. Anyways, the issue is that there aren't clear good < better < best options in every category. For your list:1. Best reasonable price III+ is the LTC 19513 OR Hesco 3411. They have much better reps than Militech's RF2 SiC but cannot match that plate's weight:protection on paper. 3411 has cert.1A. Best "III+" hands down if you have the cash is VelSys PBZSA. No cert. If you need M80A1 protection then LTC 28570. Also no cert but it's SOCOM spec.2. Best budget Level IV plate with no catches is the Hesco 4403MC. Cert.2A. Best lightweight Level IV for people with money depends on how much money you have and whether you can concede drop foam or not. If you can lose the foam, Protech 9812-R1. If you cannot accept a .04 plate then wait for the Hesco 4801 to release. LTC 26310 / 26300 are also .04 plates but they're worse performers than the Protech 9812-R1, which stops 5x BZ API instead of just 1, so the shot spacing capability against lesser threats is demonstrably better. No active certs on those. You need credentials for true top shelf like the Integris CXP-800SA. Best NIJ certified IV is the Hesco 4601.
>>64400484>3411>4403mc>4601Got it
>>64400478>I don't feel threatenedNobody gives a shit what you feel.
>>64400509Sorry you feel threatened. But I doubt your life will change whether you buy your chick shit or not.
>>64398390>Are these pockets really for side platesThey are for flotation pads/admin gear
>>64400516>sorry you feel threatenedWho are you quoting?
>>64400531>Who are you quoting?>>64400460>there is an active threat
>>64400603Fantastic, thank you for that quote. So where does it say in that post that I feel threatened?
>>64400614Nta but if you were not threatened it would just be an active non threat
>>64400649Why are you people such women (men)?>/gear queer/Oh right.
>>64400649>active non threatOr inactive threat, which we all live with to certain degrees. In fact, all of life is an inactive threat at every moment, depending upon your threat matrix.. Face it we are all running. The prey runs from the predator. The predator runs after the prey. Which are you? My prey is dollars and I get tired of the chase.
what's on the end of the bortac agent's suppressor on the right?
>>64384249is that Raccoon city?
>>64400507That's basically the short and simple list. Add Hesco T212 if you need only 7.62x39 MSC up through 5.56 M855A1 and can concede .308 in favor of a thinner, lighter plate than 4403. Of course this list can be nitpicked. I'll switch sides to illustrate that.1. SRTs catch a lot of flak because they often piss hot on BFD against common hunting calibers.2. The 3411 is on the heavier side for an M855A1 III+ because it's also rated for 7.62x39mm BZ API. This is a very rare threat CONUS and you save some weight by dropping it. LTC 19513, no cert. Both of those plates are outperformed in terms of weight and A1 multi-hit by Militech's stuff, but that's no-cert Chinesium.3. The 4403 is nearly 8lb and is only rated for 1x .30-06 M2AP or similar threat, or only 3x 7.62x51mm M80. It can do more if shot spacing / placement favors it.4. The 4601 is nearly 3x the cost of the 4403 to save about 1.5lb, and it's a thick plate at 1.18". It does raise multi hit to full Level III @ 6x M80, so tighter shot spacing, but it doesn't do well in the value department. The GTS 1023 has superior fairly spaced multi hit at 6x .30-06 M2AP, but this too is dependent on shot placement. The 1023 is also at least partly Chinese. No cert.Also the 4601 is just slightly cheaper than the Adept Colossus, and more expensive than the much heavier 8.4lb GTS 8002, but has no advertised capability against tungsten "IV+" threats unlike those two.
What was the verdict on grey buckle lc2 belts? I might just get an old m1956 or 304 belt but remember the black/green plastic lc2 buckles tended to be shitty
>>64400843any ideas?
Is it cringe to wear gear at an indoor range?
>>64400843>>64401092Calm down palhttps://xssights.com/products/glass-assault-tool-gat-ar-15-flash-hider-suppressor-mount.html>>64401122Pistol belt and ifak? NoSoft armor? MaybeSapis and hitting reloads while standing still? Gay but based.
>>64401132xsapis and dolphin diving the target from a full sprint, repeatedly forcing a ceasefire?
>>64401150Incalculably based
>>64400048THANKS
>>64400843Gay ass possum patch fags btfo.
>>64401022>That's basically the short and simple list.Yes, that's what makes it better than 4 paragraphs of autism
Where should I sell an Avon C50 gasmask with filters?
>>64401889Texas State Penitentiary Gas Chamber might be an easy sale.
>>64401346I dunno man, that's all pretty elementary stuff. It's like shopping for a car and comparing options and warranties, except half the cars are lemons and the brakes don't work so you need to apply more scrutiny.>>64401227Of course!
>>64395147>meanwhile over at M193 ganghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2c8PA3DQTU
New RMA plates. I'm sure these aren't total bullshit. They say in the comments no one has been able to NIJ certify anything for two years?https://youtu.be/HFu5_4E0FcQ
>>64403280These were covered earlier in the thread and in the RMA infographic. >>64394632. Basically the new 1155 and 1165 take a page out of Highcom's book and the nominal 10x12 is undersized and not actually 10x12.1. The 1155 G2 is 7.7lb for a 9.5x12.5, but only 6.8lb for a 10x12 shooters. The 10x12 is advertised as 9.5x11.5 with large bottom cut outs and rather permissive dimensional tolerances. 2. A 9.5x12.5 Hesco 4403 is 7.9lb, a 10x12 shooters is 7.7lb. Most shooters cut plates are only 0.2-0.35lb lighter than SAPI M.Both of those plates are aluminum oxide strike face, fiberglass backer. RMA calls the 1155 G2's backer polyethylene, but the weight is clearly indicative of fiberglass. The adhesive layer just uses PE. Same deal as the original 8.3lb 1155 this replaces.3. Similar dimensional fuckery with the 1165 G2 - which is actually PE-backed. 6.3lb 9.5x12.5, but only 5.5lb for the nominal 10x12. Mind you this is only 0.1lb heavier than the boron carbide Protech 9812-R1 (.04 plate without drop testing) and 0.1lb lighter than the new boron carbide-PE Hesco 4801. This new 1165 is very thin at 0.7" and like the Highcom 4S16 (same thickness) is probably light on the drop foam.>They say in the comments no one has been able to NIJ certify anything for two years?This isn't true. See >>64396046. Both Hesco and Safelife have gotten products added to the CPL as of August 2024. Two years is October 2023.Lastly, their test reports are nothing to write home about. The 1155 had a "no perforation" BFD (>44mm?) on round two of .30-06 M2AP. The 1165's test reports are all one .30-06 M2AP, that's it, and BFD is in the mid-thirties. I also noticed the 1155 was tested in a wet / dropped condition and all three 1165s were fresh. Huh.Not to start a pissing match, but if you need budget armor like what RMA is pushing take a look at Gilliam Technical Services' stuff too. Their 1023 ceramic tile array is a tank versus this new 1155. I grabbed test reports, see pic related.
>>64403280Other important stuff I put in a separate post cuz I hit the word limit, the new 1155 G2 is $400 a pair. The Hesco 4403 is NIJ certified and $424 a pair. No bullshit, no chinese components like the GTS 1023. It can't match that multi-hit unless you do what that anon did with the 4400 and mostly "run the perimeter" on the edge of the plate, but the 10x12 is 10x12 and the SAPI M is 9.5x12.5. The difference in multi-hit is because the 4403 is a monolithic strike face, one piece ceramic, while the 1023 is classic Chinese-style mosaic but no cheat ring. The ceramic cracking doesn't spread across separate tiles. Normally this means the 1023 would be much heavier than the 4403, but the 1023 saves weight by using a PE backer while the 4403 is fiberglass. The 1023 is ridiculously cheap because Chinese PE and Alumina are considerably cheaper than American fiberglass and Italian Alumina.So basically I consider the 1023 a worthy alternative to those LAPG Chinese plates - the stuff you buy when your ass is to the wall and even the 4403 is out of budget.
>>64403403Are the 4403's really 10 lbs per plate? Holy fuck. Am I reading that wrong? Is that for both? 20 lbs of plates is fucking crazy.
To me, it seems that most people need protection from 5.56 in the m193/855/a1 flavors, and then protection from basic bitch .308 that your local boomer is picking up from Cabela's. I've found that I prefer a thinner plate that's heavier (4400s was my experience) vs a thicker plate that's lighter (3s9m from highcom being my experience on the other end of the spectrum). Tbh it's shocking to me that no one has managed to come out with a 3+ plate that isn't fat as fuck that covers those threats, is cheaper than 1k/set, and is thinner than the 3s9ms while being lighter than 8lbs/plate. I don't think that's a terribly unreasonable think to want to see the market develop, but maybe there's material science I don't understand.Tbh, I think if you need .30cal protection, just buy the 4403s.
>>64404192To be clear, I'm not asking for the weight of 3s9ms at that "less than 1k/set" price, moreso just cutting the difference between the weight of the 4400 series and the super light 5ish lb plates.
>>64404143It's 7.7lb for a 10x12, 7.9lb SAPI M, 9.1lb SAPI L and 10.7lb for the 11x14 SAPI XL. It is about 0.8lb lighter than the Highcom 4S17M in SAPI M.>20lbsHah, and RMA's new 1189 gen2 was supposed to be 9.5lb for a 10x12. Alumina-fiberglass plates are generally going to be very heavy. Ceramic tile arrays like the 1189 moreso.>>64404192The issue with a thinner III+ is that all Level III plates need to stop 6x 7.62x51mm M80 in the 6x8 center fair hit box (2" from edge) with minimum 2" inter-shot spacing, so you need a thick backer. That's why IIIs are thicker than most IVs. Plates rated for both like the Hesco 4601 are an exception.Most of the super-light "III+" plates like the LTC 28791 and VelSys PBZSA that are 0.6" thick aren't actually rated for the full 6x M80, it's like 1-2. >>64404195The 3S9M is 6lb SAPI M, it's 0.5lb lighter than the 4601 and 0.08" thinner but concedes .30-06 M2AP. Thicker than the 0.9" LTC 28595 because it needs to stop 6x M80.Cutting the difference between 4403 and the 5lb B4C underbuilts for a IV would be a SiC strike face, and anyone up for that wants a PE backer, so unless you can do Chinesium or accept nominal sizing chicanery it's going to go over 1k/set.
>>64402022It's like identifying which cars are not lemons and not wasting time looking at everything else
I have a massive package. Maybe I’m just autistic (I am, I have that retard dick) but the normal groin plates do not make me confident. Would having it hang lower and modifying the back part so it fully connects to the back side of my belt work? I’m extremely unfamiliar with groin armor and I’m kinda afraid. I’ve got that retard dick, I just got married, and my wife and I easily go at it for an hour a night (a couple hours if circumstances permit). I aggressively fart at her when we argue and we at times have sex from sun down to sun up. Help an anon out
>>64382380what round thats too big for an ak or 308 size looks more like a 50 cal
>>64404365>which cars are not lemons Well that's the trick, isn't it? Even the .06 NIJ CPL isn't perfect. It allows cheat rings up to 2" on each side and Level IV plates that only need to stop one shot of anything. It allows steel plates that get cleared by M193 and polyethylene plates that get merked by M855.Military testing isn't perfect either. The Ceradyne 92547 was recalled because the plate literally delaminated.>>64404390Schlonganon, I recommend the 10x12 XL hanger from DMGear. Protect your zweihander with a 10x12" plate of your choice. Put a Colossus in there to protect your Colossus.>>64404399Not 100% sure, could just be they ripped the cover open to extract the bullet fragments. The story on reddit is 7.62x54R 7N1 against a Hesco 4800, but that's already wrong because the ceramic fragments are white (alumina), so it's most likely a 4401.
>>64404525Danke. My wife will be happy to hear her breeding bull’s most vital organ is safe
>>64403403I got burned by the highcum 4sus4 deal and got a charge back successful and bought the 4403mc. All set. I don't trust RMA.
>>64405132Good shit, glad the chargeback worked out for you. I don't trust RMA either. Everything they sell has a catch.
I will buy an RMA for use as a codpiece
>>64405276Yeah I still have the plates lol. No use for them other than a backup or training set. Could shoot them but that seems like a waste. Would sell them but gafs got banned.
>>64405401Better add the pleasure ring.
>>64405664>Could shoot them but that seems like a waste.Get some sponsers and do a destructive test.
>>64405816no it's got the cheat ring makes it easier to penetrate with my retard dick.
What would be preferable, cheap level 4 plates (Hesco 4401) or more expensive lighter 3+ (Hesco 3411) Also, what's the consensus on RMA here? Saw they just came out with some new plates that look pretty nice
>>64406277>Also, what's the consensus on RMANew?
