Post gear, discuss gear.Halloween editionOld: >>64414754
Ordered an LBT-2657 Eight Pocket Ruck. What am I in for?
/gq/ Infographic Emporium:https://imgur.com/a/gq-infographic-emporium-1-00-1lZ5xw6Legacy Infographics: https://imgur.com/a/k-infographic-reserve-AIKzwWFQuick and dirty "what plates should I buy on a budget?":Level III: Hesco 3411 (7.62x51 M80 / M855A1) or LTC 19513 (concedes 7.62x39 BZ API and NIJ cert for Level III but is lighter).Level IV: Hesco 4403As discussed thoroughly last thread, RMA is still bad.
>>64444635>LBT-2657 Eight Pocket Rucku paid 1300 buckerinos for a backpack? kinda sus bro
>>64444925No, I paid $200 for an old one
>>64445052Screamin' deal
>>64444431Someone recommend me a patrol/day pack sized pack that works well with ALICE LBE/LBV88E
>>64445060Not really. Needs a frame and straps but it's NOS and OD green which I wanted
>>64445094ALICE medium or an M56 buttpack.
>>64442955>waiting for Adept Archon to release so we can see if they follow the RMA-Highcom nominal sizing gameOn further thought, the Archon is 5.7lb and multi-hit rated for M993 at 3,050ft/s, so it's a standalone XSAPI that very nearly meets the ICW VTP XSAPI's ~5.4lb weight target, but does not require soft armor.No known submission for the VTP XSAPI can meet that weight target and still past first article testing, not even the joint Avon Ceradyne-Tencate model, so I think the Archon must be down a lot on drop foam and/or the sizing is nominal. For a SAPI M it should weigh 5.9lb, and so an ICW version should be right at the weight target. Will remain to be seen, since there's rarely a free lunch with armor.Or this could go like the rumored 4.5lb Level IV they were allegedly developing years back that never materialized.Best case scenario it's the Oneleaf of plates and we all load up on de facto "Level V" plates for around $1.2k a pair. Worst case it either doesn't release or ends up being too fragile / too expensive.
>>64445104The mediums feel a bit too big for day use but I should still probably get one with a frame anyways. It would complement a surplus MOLLE waist pack I threaded the belt through.
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So /k/ hates RMA and Highcom but what's the word on Spartan?
>>64445820They were infamous a while back for compensating their affiliates at a very high rate - 12.5% or something around that. They make their bones selling steel, which is almost always shit, their ceramics are a gray area.When looking at armor, ask yourself what "different brand X" actually has to offer over LTC / Hesco / Tencate. What do those three companies not offer that Spartan does?
>>64445820They're shady. On their website they say their plates "Meet NIJ standards", but they are not NIJ certified. It's basically a "believe me bro, they'll stop the bullets". It's up to you, whether you want to pay for "trust me bro".
>>64446129I just checked the NIJ CPL. They've got a fat stack of certs, but they're doing the "tencate trick" and it's a bunch of RMAs, Hescos, and Tencates they aren't even selling - hoping people don't connect dots with model numbers. They have a few certs, but that's shady indeed.
>>64445820Also they sell half a shield, which I think is hilarious. It's 18.6lb for the III+ steel version and a thousand bucks. You can put it on a payment plan for as low as $53.87 a month 24 months.
>>64446307That's crazy. That shield probably costs them $25 to make, lol. It's 18 pounds of common industrial steel, flat. As for the shape, idgi
>>64446432I think this pic exemplifies the intended use case. It's supposed to be a less bulky shield that can be negotiated around and through narrow doors. There are also IIIA and III (RF1) PE versions available.I'm not sure the idea is sound since you can't head a stack with it like you would a regular "full" shield. So people have to keep two shields, one for doors and the other for regular shield business? No me gusta.
>64446444>Also laughing at the pic because the way they're stacked up somebody inside could get a two-for-one femoral special with a .308 on them. Where are the other guys, behind the second dude? The RF2 shield is also only good up to M193 @ 3,250ft/s so M80A1 or equivalent can hose it.Wonder if it's possible to persuade Adept to make the Archon or Colossus into a shield. By my math the Archon would be 19.1lb as a 30x12 rectangle and would weigh less than this using this weird half-shield cut. It would also be over two thousand bucks but that's probably tolerable for the use cases that would justify an M993-rated hand-portable shield.
Alright, so it's come to my attention that pic related is out of date. Taking suggestions on Version 10.5. My ideas:1. Remove Highcom across the board. I thoroughly reviewed almost their entire lineup for the Highcom infographic and they have virtually nothing to offer over LTC / Hesco unless you're into a III++ that weighs and costs nearly as much as a Hesco 4601 or an RMA 1165 that isn't an RMA 1165. We're going to need a fill-in for budget Level III because the surplus SAPI supply is fairly dry. I vote we throw SRTs in and go with the Hesco T212 but this infographic is important so I'll take a vote.2. Condense options. Budget Level IV can be reduced to just the 4403. The 4S17M has nothing to offer and weighs 8.7lb for a SAPI M. It puts on a great show in Buff's testing with like 12x M855A1 stopped, but if you're eating twelve M855A1 just to the 9.5x12.5" upper chest area you're getting hosed and it's GG.3. Cut LTC 26605. It's worse than the 4403 in almost every way and has been suspended twice by the NIJ. Bye.4. Maybe move plates around into an SRT-III-III+ (RF2)-III++ (M855A1)-TSA(M855A1+M80A1)-IV/RF3-RF3+ lineup and then do good-better-best like a 7x3 grid instead of this segmented layup, if that makes sense.5. Maybe remove VPAM? That's covered in the Euro armor guide already and it's not relevant CONUS.
>>64446794>Please get into an armor autism discussion with me about my infographics No
>>64446822Very well. Have some armor autism.
I’m looking for some options for a softshell or fleece jacket. I like the tad designs but they seem pricey. Baerskin looked like an option until I read about the shitty cs. What are some /k/ approved fall wear?
>>64446908Is UF Pro an option for you? Their fall wear is peak.
>>64445754damn they killed it
>>64448436/k/ mods are the faggiest in the world
>>64446794I don't have enough autism to be of any help but thanks for keeping the guide up to date
>>64448858Of course. I'm thinking 10.5 will be a lot more condensed and focus on being less autistic. Tell people good, better, best options at each protection level. Specific subject areas are already covered in greater detail with other infographics. It should focus on being a quick "in-and-out" guide.The shitlist will absolutely remain. If anyone has suggestions for shitlisting I'm all ears. I'm open to shitlisting Highcum unless someone can provide reasons not to. Open season.
>>64444431Tactical use case for jester caps?>>64445754>>64448436>>64448709What was it and did it actually violate any rules or are the Jannies just being anti fun like usual?
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>>64448936https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/64444247/#64444444
What am I in for?
>>64448976use as a sniper decoy?
>>64449376no idiot, the snipers are looking for soldiers
>>64449432no you fool, double deception! Use the clowns as decoys. When the enemy doesn't bite, have the jesters and the Navy SEALs switch uniforms. The SEALs disguised as jesters will approach the enemy unharmed on unicycles and the jesters diguised as SEALs will write books funding the next stage of the operation.
I just shit my pants help me buy new ones
>>64450298Get this>https://www.venturesurplus.com/products/us-navy-uniform-pants-nwu-i/
>>64450318Do they have that rank ass surplus smell to them? I can't rizz the range bunnies with that stank give me balenciaga
balenciaaaaga give me the good shit
>>64448936>did it actually violate any rules or are the Jannies just being anti funit was in a chink spam thread that got nuked.picrel
>>64419059>>64419145I found a small short BDU. This fits 100% dead on with my 38 inch chest. I can even button up and it doesn't kill my arms. I'll give the medium short to a friend or donate it to the salvation army.
>>64450499goodwill is evil. SA is basado.>>64450460Why does this always happen? Are they salty?
>>64446794why is hesco so regarded when they've failed the most NIJ tests by far? also why not the Highcom 3s9m? the LTC 1953 or whatever and the 3s9m seem to be the best overall sets you can get right now.
>>64450814All excellent questions.1. Basically everyone except Tencate has failed a FIT. Even LTC, the mfg's of USSOCOM's current plates, have failed two FITs - on the same plate. What matters is how the company addresses and resolves the failure. Hesco had four suspensions - on the 4400, 4600, 3610, and 3410. They were transparent. It happened because of a defect in the ceramic heat treatment. They issued widespread recalls and replaced a lot of plates. A lot of people got upgraded from 3610s to 3810s at no cost. They introduced new models and got them NIJ certified immediately. 4401, 4601, 3411, 3611. They have had no issues since then. That's how it should be done. Meanwhile we don't even know why the LTC 26605 has been suspended twice. RMA recalled I think six 1155s. We know the 1155 sucks because an anon tested one and it failed to two .308 at 100 meters. Pathetic for an 8.3lb plate. 2. The Highcom 3S9M, when you look at SAPI sizing because Highcom's 10x12 is way undersized, is almost as heavy and thick as the Hesco 4601 - and costs about the same - but cannot stop M2AP. It fulfills a near-useless "III+++" niche like the Hesco 3814.3. The LTC 19513 is the best overall mid-range M855A1 stopping III+ - the Hesco 3411 is stronger but heavier. When looking at Highcom you cannot trust their 10x12 shooters. It often weighs less than the 10x12 swimmer - that's how much smaller and reduced coverage it is.
>>64450707>Why does this always happen?the chink spam or the nuking? the former is all just cope, and the latter is because was a low effort propaganda threads about those stupid fucking robots.
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>>64451015>after he fell into the vat of mcnugget goop, A2 became known as... the Jerker.
>>64446794Just for shit and giggles, I got a $25 target for next range trip.
>>64451068Nice, make sure to report back how it does.
>>64451073Will do. Not sure when I can get out next. Might be a few months and the temu shop might not even be valid anymore
>>64451083It all comes from the same huge white label factories, so if the shop goes bust others will rise up.
>>64451102Yeah what I figured. I mean at least know if the shop was dishing out cardboard or something close to 3a for anybody else if interested.Going to hit it with 9mm +p and then a 5.7. not sure if should start with the 5.7 and work way down or start at 9 and work way up. Probably finish it with a 12 ga slug which it should be able to stop if it's 3a
>>64451336Start with the 9mm and work your way up. If it can stop a slug after eating multiple handgun rounds it'll be a lot more persuasive than shooting the slug first when the armor is fresh
>>64450707>goodwill is evilExplain.
Are 100% acrylic balaclavas (so majroity of them) dangerous to breathe through Since you're breathing in tiny acrylic fibers the whole time?
>>64451465Could be worse. Man up.
>>64451472>Man up.>while breathing in micro plastic fibersLong term that thing will nuke his testosterone.>>64451465Get a wool one instead.>>64450460>>64450707>>64450889I don't get the point of nuking Chicom threads honestly, they're comically bad at propaganda and not even the paid shills can save face. People here easily dismantle pro PLA arguments and humiliate them.Jannies should just leave them alone so long as they aren't flooding the entire catalog.
>>6445146525% of the microplastics in your balls come from the particulates that are in the air from car tires. If you go outside, you're inhaling microplastics. There isn't anything you can do about it. The best plan is to plasticmax, so that in 3 generations, your progeny has adapted to it, just in time to live in plastic suits, and drink nutrients from plastic tubes while exploring the cosmos.
>>64451741>There isn't anything you can do about it.
>>64451731If it’s just testosterone or fertility I’m not worried. Not having kids anyways
>>64451441https://paddockpost.com/2025/02/14/executive-compensation-at-goodwill-2023/Also they keep upping prices on CDs
>>64451465Arcteryx skimask, yoOr get a proper wool one>>64450707>SA is basado.One of my relatives in WW1 swore they were the only charity who did anything for them over there.
>>64449365Serious question. If it’s just a bump helmet why not just buy a cheap one off aliexpress?
>>64452741Because it's a bump helmet. You still want something that is both durable and effective
>>64452750Truly, is there any quantifiable difference between plastic bump helmets and their liners? Bump helmets are just a hard plastic shield to stop bumps. They aren’t motorcycle helmets with complex engineering to them. At most just switch out the boa system for a team Wendy. I’ve never used either I’m just dubious that a 400$ bump is different then a skateboard helmet
>>64452741Because I always read how cheap ones need new pads/suspension/shrouds/rails. This cost $450 and I know it should be fine.
>>64451731>Long term that thing will nuke his testosterone.More motivation to procreate when not suffering a midlife crisis.>>64451394Thanks. Will do!
>>64453214Awesome. The other armor thread up at the moment shows a lot of fellow /k/ommandos need destitute-tier armor that works. People can't swing even $395 a set and are turning to VISM. The more testing data on this stuff the better.In other news, as of two months ago and per Buffman (old 1165 vid comments), talks are underway between himself and Gilliam to test the cheapo GTS plates. They're cheaper than RMA and on paper better built, so if they perform and there's no RMA-style shenanigans they'll be a worthy /pfg/ option. The 1023 is $320 a set, 7.3lb single curve, and per a test report stops 6x .30-06 M2AP dropped.
>>64452781>I’m just dubious that a 400$ bump is different then a skateboard helmetBe dubious. I use a climbing helmet I have for speilunking or my brimless OSHA hard hats. Just fine.
>>64452781The 400 dollar bump is slightly more convenient as you don't have to drill holes yourself.
>>64452698salvation army is a2 approved
