rare nuggets editionold thread >>64392209
>>64508773I got a second M1911A1 from the CMP today. I still do not get how the CMP grades these.The really worn Colt slide and frame pistol that was rebuilt 4 times is a field grade. The Remington Rand slide and frame that has no rebuild marks and the slide is original finish was a rack grade.
>>64509372I refuse to buy anything from them as long as they allow people to buy multiple firearms. I'm not going through hoops just to stand in line next to a scalper flipping their 20th garand.
>>64508773What's the far right?
>>64509412big nuggy
>>64507159I don't think we did, we parked way over at the barriers with the golf carts, someone else did come up to us and bought an FRT though. Also another fun story, bought 54r there but the ammo was so corroded in one of the paper packages it fell apart in my backpack. Guy I got it from did exchange it for an equal amount, shit was made 1932 at the Luhansk factory. Picrel is all that's left that was intact.
Old stock I'd like to have ID'djust shy of 33.5 inches longFrom ww2 vet but doesn't match garand or carbine or 1903
>>64509403So you rather buy from one of the flippers? LOL>>64510271MC-58
I bought this purse at Tulsa for my mom
>>64510312>MC-58wow thanks for the fast responseNone of the internals were floating around, he just had a stock for the grandkids to play with.
Reclaimed CMP 308 m1 garand, yes or no?
are tese quality? is it worth getting in 2025 or are they priced to ass?
>>64510312are you implying I'm being forced to buy a garand from someone on gunjoker? Its estate sale season in 3 months if I want one so bad
>>64509372this or tisas?
>>64510872US surps at auction or estate sales are usually even worse.Pretty common to see a clapped out M1903s going for $2500 to some local buyer at the auction, while the last online bidder was at $800 or less. They always bring in the boomers who don't know what they usually go for.>>64510922Do you want a piece of history or not?
>>64510945something that works and looks the part.
>>64510600whats the best caliber to get this in?
>>64510984either 7.63 or 9mm. while 9mm is obviously easiest to find. 7.63 is more than available online so it shouldnt be an immediate deterrent to skip one
>>64510991which one is usually cheaper?
>>64509372The CMP is grading them on functionality, not originality. The re-built pistol is probably closer to being in-spec than the one that has been used continuously without being repaired and refurbished.
>>64510984IMO 7.63 cause you dont have to worry about it being pissing hot
>>64510945saw a perfectly fine garand for 1250 at a local gun show last week. This is the best the milsurp market has been in the last 5 years
>>64510994For the most part, 7.63 ones are. C96 prices are typically dictated by condition of the piece with notable variants being the outlier.Anyone asking for a huge retard price for "le heckin red 9arino" doesnt deserve your money
>>64510997The CMP says that, but my Remington Rand one is perfectly fine.I doubt it was issued continuously either. The finish on the slide is almost perfect. You can still see the tooling marks and the slide discoloration from the heat treating.
>>64508773What's the name of that revolver in the far right.Looks neat AF.
>>64510516Bump on this.neondering what to buy next
>>64510312>So you rather buy from one of the flippers? LOLNot him but it's not right there's only two sources of M1s: scalping boomers, and the organization the scalping boomers utilize that freely enables them to be gunshow scalpers
>>64510211Honestly pretty cool to have ammo that old I was walking around in Alpenflage so you might’ve seen me at one point during the show if we were in the same area>>64510452Trying to spot myself in this lol
What are some must have tools for taking apart milsurp, had a screw with dried cosmo and a impact screwdriver and kroil got it done.
>>6451143299% of the time, a flathead screwdriver is literally all you need.
>>64510997
>>64511432Blanket and magnet dish
>>64511432Brass/rubber headed mallet. Set of pin drifts. Various sizes of "C"-clamps with pads for the jaws. Big tongue & groove pliers. Retractor pliers. Chopsticks.
what are those new bm96?
Shit. How do you fix a tiny ass chip in the wooden stock?
>>64514013throw the rifle away
>>64514013learn to live with it, slowly allowing its existence to gnaw away at your sanity
>>64510600how much do they go for usually
were all C96 blued?
>>64514991This, but with stripped screws.
>>64516733>>64510600>>64515402I normally avoid shilling fagotten weapons, but for babby's first c96 these are some helpful videoshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpw7LV9nweIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ1OPbKedxAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnmvvlYU5uI
>>64516741You needed to see under the woodline anon. It had to be done.
Is a last ditch better with or without a mum intact? I’m a real crestfag but I think it might be my one exception. It just personifies total loss.
>>64518115listen to your heart
>>64518115if you wanted to be an ironic crestfag then yes, get a scrubbed mum
I got 2 questions now. I managed to find these (allegedly) Argentinian STANAG scope rings, got them cheap, but they are made of rubber or some shit. Think they'll live through being used? Thinking of sticking an M84 scope in them cause it'd look cool as hell. Also the 1917 nugget I got at the Tulsa gun show has the eagle scrubbed from the shank and a 200 meter cut in the sight ramp but its not Finnish marked, Austrian marked, or any other identifier. Balkans maybe?
>>64518448>Balkans maybe?With the eagle gone off the crest that's most commonly Balkan.
Would you buy a bayonet with the tip broken off or would you just wait for another one? Local seller is offering a Hungarian M.95 bayonet that's unit marked but the tip was broken off and recontoured.
would this damage old parts?
>>64518381THE CRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEESSSST ON BIRDMANS HELMET
>>64518595I don't know why it would unless the piece was already going to fall apart.IMO I'd rather use ballistol tho
>>64518470How's the recontour job look? If it's stabby I'd take it.
>>64518103>You needed to see under the woodline anon. It had to be done.It reminds of this saying for someone reason: “see the for the trees”
>>64518595Any CLP is good to go, just avoid the needle bottle that cost more because it is advertised as something special, usually the oil looks like red melted candle wax.
>>64508773I recently bought this flight suit, but I'm not sure it's authentic. Based on comparing photos online I assume it's a CWU-27/P Nomex Flight Suit, but mine didn't come with a normal sizing tag, and I couldn't figure out what "JET" refers to in "42 R JET". Pic related was all it had, which doesn't seem normal. Also, I've never worn Nomex before so I don't know what to compare it to, but the material seems really thin. The seams and pockets seem pretty solid. The zippers are all "Ideal" branded. Purchased at a Swiss military surplus fair for ~$25.
Anyone hunting with their milsurp tomorrow?
>>64521769most states have no public land
>>64518321>>64518381Dammit. It’s too pretty I hate it. Where’s my chisel?I’m getting me mallet.
>>64518115>It just personifies total loss.I'm not a wordcel so I've always had trouble explaining it. But this is exactly why I prefer my scrubbed mum.
>>64518381>>64518638Images you can hear
>>64510211Bouncing back off this, the Mauser I got that day is also kinda weird. Yugo K98 rework, Yugo crest scrubbed. Realized today there's no import mark on it too, pretty neat.>>64511404I do want to keep these 2 rounds and put them in a display or something along with my broken M14 bolt. I am shit sure I saw a guy in alpenflage that day. I had a shitty tall cardboard sign sticking out of my backpack advertising the FRTs.
>>64518722It looks alright, not too stabby though
My dad brought this home from nam
Anyone got tips on what I should be looking for in a nagant revolver? Assuming I’m going to be paying around $400 for one since supply has dried. I should have picked one up way back. Gunbroker boomers are terrible
>>64525258save your money, they're all trash
>>64525514In terms of terrible triggers and stiff actions or something else? They do look cool and I randomly came to possess ammo for one…
>>64525552They are a poor design even by 1895 standards, soviets certainly didn’t make them better. Only redeeming part is the cool gas seal mechanism. Sure get one if it’s rare or otherwise worth it to you but it’s not very pleasant on the range.
>>64525552Ammo isn’t rare for those believe it or not and PPU even makes some. Don’t buy in because of that. Get a colt.
>>64525990Not surprising but in this case it might be nice to have one. Hoping I actually win the bid, but it might be a blessing if I don’t. What people want for these things is insane. I haven’t had a chance to check the local stores yet. >>64526022Yeah that was a nice discovery but definitely not buying in because of it. I have some combloc-ish (mostly import marked) stuff and happened across some spare rounds so figured might as well complete the set. Which Colt? I’m a bit out of the loop on surp. I’ve currently seen a couple Czech .32’s out and some broom handle parts but that’s about it.
>>64526037> Which Colt? Colt 1895
Guess I'm in the market for Gewehr 88 clips now, anyone know if the repros are any good at all or should I stick to hunting for originals?
>>64511388If you don't like it then try being born during the best economy in human history next time, sonny.I know what I got and if you ain't willing to pay the price I want I'll just sell it to my buddy Eugene. He's been looking for another one to keep at his summer cabin anyways so you better decide quick.
>>64510516If it's sleeved then no if its rebarreled then yes.
>>64528909I crouch down and then rise up like sub-zero and uppercut his head off
>>64528895Post commission
tips fro svt40 ? Are repro mags good
>>64529666buy one, dont feed it surp. repro mags work fine.
>>64529614I haven't received it since I just won it yesterday but here you go.
>when you buy a gun online and you are now on week 3 of begging two FFLs to communicate with each other so the gun can get shipped (this is a 5 minute task)
>>64530350She dark. You gonna clean the pretty out from under her?
>>64532024No you don't understand they can't be fucked to send out their public ffl to YOU because REASONS.
>>64532253>She dark. You gonna clean the pretty out from under her?I'm going to be very conservative with cleaning this one as matching Kar 88s that haven't been messed with aren't common. A damp cloth for the stock and #0000 bronze wool on the metal with a good bore scrubbing is probably all I'd really need to get rid of the grime on this one.
Stupid question, but how do y'all tell if a stock is just made of darker wood vs having grime caked into it? Is it a texture thing?
>>64533050texture, smell, moisture content. Lots of things.At this point enough time has passed that the wood on some of these guns has cured to certain colors. Most wood species used in factories are also well documented so its easy enough to verify "hmmm, should walnut look like that after 120 years in a warehouse/safe/desert/swamp hut?"
>>64533039>damp clothI'm assuming water? I'm assuming you won't re-finish it? I don't see any reason to choose bronze over steel? Besides, leaving little hairs of steel that might rust?
>>64533172>I'm assuming water? I'm assuming you won't re-finish it? I don't see any reason to choose bronze over steel? Besides, leaving little hairs of steel that might rust?Yes, I will be using water as I don't see any reason to refinish the stock short of it being completely stripped and dried out. As for bronze wool, I wish to keep as much of the original bluing as possible and avoid damage by using steel wool. Yes, bluing loss would be minimal with #0000 steel wool but the polishing on the receiver would be noticeably affected. A lot of Imperial rifles got their receivers scrubbed to the point where some markings are lighter than intended or you can see where someone scrubbed the receiver. This one for example has signs of a older scrubbing due to the scratches you see on it.
>>64534758And here's an example of one that avoided a scrubbing and how they originally were. This one is oily but you can see the difference between the two.
>>64534780*not oily but the difference is readily apparent
>>64533039I have never used anything more than hot soapy water, paper towel, oil and a brush. Anything that doesn’t come off with that stays.
>>64533050Can't hurt to give it a light cleaning to see what comes off.
>>64522553None of mine hit to point of aim (always too high), so I'm very hesitant to take any of them out.I just use a 20ga and 3 inch slugs
>>64528909I purposely take business cards from guys like this at shows and tell them i'll keep an eye out for their obituary in a few years. It's real fun.
>>64529666Friend bought me a repro mag for my SVT-40 as a birthday gift because he thought an empty one could be dropped and replaced easily, like any current semi auto rifle (he's not gun savvy but means well). I said what the hell and popped the repro mag in to see if it fits. It got stuck 4/5ths of the way up and would not seat properly. What followed was the better part of 30 minutes of me trying to pop the repro mag out without damaging any of the original parts or wood. It shimmied loose eventually. YMMV.
>>64538909The absolute state of milsurp reproduction is completely unacceptable. Pretty much across the board with advanced CAD software, modern machining and materials, and genuine market interest, almost every reproduction product out there barely works or is an outright unusable scam when 90 years ago a 70 IQ subhuman factory worker without internet assembled the same component by the thousands
>>64534758>>64534780I made this mistake early in my milsurp career. Had to end up scrubbing carefully, side to side instead of vertically to make pseudo imitation machining marks, then used mother's polish to clean it up.All could have been avoided but finding info online wasn't what it is today
>>64533050>>64537822Be really careful what you use, cleaning up a weird blue stain on my K31 resulted in me having to refinish the stock.
>>64538953High price, high quantity, low quality breaks every basic economic rule, yet that shit slides somehow
>>64539147>yet that shit slides somehowwartime production is a hell of a drug
>>64533159>Most wood species used in factories are also well documented so its easy enough to verifyRecords from that era are spotty at best
>>64539141Did you think the blue wasnt from silly amateur soldier Swiss idiot?
>>64539426I meant for repro stuff, like clips and whatnot.>>64541491I have no idea, but I had a wild hair up my ass one day that said "let's finally wipe this stain off," and the shellac began to dissolve as I cleaned (gently, mind you).I'm extremely happy with how refinishing it turned out, but I do regret that it's not technically original any more. I don't plan on selling it because it was my 16th birthday present almost 20 years ago
What's the going rate for M39s these days? Are Sakos worth more than VKT or Tikkas?
>>64541621in the future, you can repair shellac finishes with alcohol spray. Apply a matching shellac to the area where the damage is. mist the alcohol on and brush until the coat is completely even again. The original shellac will liquify while in contact with alcohol allowing a short window for you to fix the blemish
>>64541668I’ve surprisingly seen them at $700 pretty consistently. Which is silly since every brick and mortar pawn is trying to get $5-600 for beat and butchered wartime 91/30s
>>64541884I'm debating on picking up a minty B plum barrel M39 for 750 buckaroos.
>>64541990I can’t believe they’re not boomerflated to hell into 4 figures. Go for it. Return and Post receiver date.
>>64542049>I can’t believe they’re not boomerflated to hell into 4 figures.They were for a couple years. I wonder if Pat Burns running out triggered some mild panic among the more impulsive milsurp consumers. M/39 demand has cooled off over the last 5 years.
>>64542049yup, this here gun is just like the one smegma haha used to kill 9001 russian spetsnaz. this ain't your grandma's .22 sonny
>>64542049>I can’t believe they’re not boomerflated to hell into 4 figures. Go for it. Return and Post receiver date.I would if my truck bill wasn't 2k today. Merry early Christmas to the lad that gets it.https://www.cabelas.com/p/101797227
I'm feelin straight ass bliss. Won an Eagle of Saladin stamped FN49 that was milled for an Echo mount that didn't have some faggot bid bot on it. Just gotta toss that garbage ass century stock when I get it.
>>64545778What exactly is wrong with the stock?
>>64545515>>64542049>>64541990>>64541884>>64541668In 2016 Classic was selling M39s and Swiss 96/11s, both for 300 bucks. I bought the 96/11, which I should have fucking returned: some Swiss bubba fucked that thing over something very fierce, think he tried refinishing it while absolutely hammered on plum schnapps.Ended up pawning it when I fell on hard times.Wish I'd fucking bought the M39, I'd probably have liked it enough to not let it go like that Schmidt Rubin I'll never buy from Classic again, though, hand picked my ass
>>64545791The replacements century had made and used were made of the wood equivalent to butter, and the plastic buttplates will crack. Real surplus stocks for Egypt FN49s are fairly easy to find right now and feel nicer.
>>64545855Weird, I didn't know that. My only experience with Egyptian FN49s was one a buddy owned that was in stock condition
>>64545806>hand picked my assClassic "hand-selected" for me a Yugo M24/47 which had the barrel cross-threaded into the receiver. When I sent it back for exchange Sweaty Ben himself signed for it, then weeks pass with no responses to my inquiries and eventually I had to issue a chargeback to get my money returned. Six months later he phones me asking if I still had the rifle.
Not sure If I should ask here or maybe start a handloader thread, but I have a Colt New Service chambered in 455 webley, but the cylinder has been shaved enough to accept trimmed 45 colt cases, but hasn't been reamed out to actually use 45 colt. Should I use .455 webley load data or safe to use 45 acp data since it's a beefy solid frame?
>>64546067
>>64546658Wonder if anyone's got .45 to work in the Webley self loaders.
Any idea what this rear sight is supposed to be? It's mounted to a Ross Mk2 barrel, apparently backwards as the markings face away from the shooter
>>64549459
>>64549459>>64549462Original m91 Nugget sights. The leaf is at least. The base is either altered or something else. Go upstairs and put it in some light and focus your camera you troll. And If you edit the photo even a pixel before you post it it won’t 90° it you dirty phone poster.
>>64549518>>64549518This barrel came off an 'unsporterized' Ross I paid too much for without properly looking it over. Barrel was loose as well, turns out the barrel lock screw is fucked. Not sure where I'll find another one, will probably have to get a machinist to copy the good screw off my other Ross
>>64549610Yeah that’s quite the oversight man. Online or in person?
>>64549621Online Plan for now is to swap the barrel with the one on my Mk2*** sporter (with the correct sight), get a new screw made, and just keep monitoring eBay and GunBroker for a rear sight
>>64549459>>64549462Looks like Russian Model 1908 rear sight leaf from a Mosin M1891, on a Long Lee rear sight bed. >>64549518Just FYI, the curved Konovalov rear sight is not the original Mosin M1891 sight; the Konovalov sight was adopted in 1908 along with the first spitzer version of 7.62x54R. Original M91 rear sights are basically Lebel sights.
>>64549677>Just FYI, the curved Konovalov rear sight is not the original Mosin M1891 sightOh shit. I forgot about that. I’m glad answering incorrectly always seems to get questions answered quicker than just asking. Good eye on the sight base
>>64546658extremely based post, i reload my webleys using regular 45 ACP data>inb4 m-m-muh mk VI'sno these are all black powder era webleys>>64546067don't be a pussy
>>64549289455 webley auto is semi-rimmed
>>64546008I remember that. Unbelievable to me that these companies just can’t admit they fucked up and sent out a shitty rifle and replace it with a good one. They act like their profit margin is razor thin that losing money on a $400 rifle is going to cause them to go belly up.
>>64525234How the hell did he hide that in his ass?
actually pulled stuff out of the safe for The Mummy thread so ill post it here too.
>imagine paying $700 for a piece of stamped sheet metalthe absolute state of """collectors"""
>>64551705thank you for your service
Whats on your guys' christmas wishlist before the end of the year?
>>64551401with how retarded these people are, their profit is actually probably that thin.
Yoo i love revolver :D
>>64552916Putting my Gahendra back together
>>64510452did you see the table downstairs that had $1800 Arisaka's and a 12,000 g/k43 laughed my ass off with my friends
>>64553084Is there anyone more “know what I got” than boomer japshit milsloppers?Nazzy war prizes got divided by like 6 major enemies, during and after capitulation a Kraut Garand on the western front was already rare let alone US army Major willing to sign the bringback paperwork. Japshit all singularly got vacuumed up into burgerland both by individual trophyhunting burger GIs and by national disarmament post warJapshit should be on Shitalian level
>>64510600I got my Spanish copy for 800
PSA: they just restocked the m1922 Hotchkiss parts kits with live barrel and all parts minus receiver on apex for $330. Get them while you can /k/ommandos. Barrels allowed for import again with parts kits. Get the unique goodies while you can and while they're cheap.
>>64553236I accidentally picked up a Japanese cz24 and Japanese Carcano for $100 each. All during peak COVID because the grandson just had to have a Glock and AR to protect the family during lockdowns. Just wait for peak retardation. You'll have at least six months every five years or so. Like you should buy crypto now and resale in six months, not financial advice.
>>64553591Sorry Japanese vz24
>>64508773Why can't thirdie cunts just sell their suplus on the US private market and make back some of the money or just pocket it?
>>64556216import restrictions going back to Clinton era and low priority/low returns on actually doing so is the short and no I wont elaborate further version.
>>64508773Asking here because /msg/ probably knows WWII(ish) history better than /QTDDTOT/. I randomly remembered a comic (newspaper style) character that was commonly put in informational comics during WWII IIRC. I believe he was often depicted as wearing a baggy, poorly fitted uniform with his helmet unbuckled. What is his name? I believe it was a soldier acroynym/term. Also, I remember a little newsletter that would be given out that had a section where soldiers would send in stories and field improvisations, either to get equipment they were missing or to make equipment better or that didn't exist. I believe there was one mentioned on FW about a flash hider. What was the name of that series of newsletters and is an archive available online?Finding both would be great but not knowing what the fuck that character is really fucks with my head. Had a distinct artstyle that I wish I could see if only I could remember the name.
>>64556784private snafuhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHzz0eYC63s
>>64556786Thanks anon. That was one of the terms I was thinking of but I couldn't even remember his rank either lol.
>>64556216They used to cut them up as kits and sell here, then George W Bush had import barrel ban immediately after AWB expired and that ended cheap kits. Barrel ban was reversed and AWB is still not around, cheap kits are starting to come in again like this anon >>64553584 noted.
>>64556216Even the most thirdie of countries don't have much non-select fire milsurp left. There's a reason we're digging up caches of Ethiopian goat piss rifles, there's really nothing else left. Especially since a lot of select fire stuff is getting sent to Ukraine.
>>64556804I wonder if after the war we'll get our hands on some of the surplus, that'd be cool
>>64556832Doubtful. The Ukraine conflict is basically a giant equipment woodchipper. Anything left is going to be automatic or in territory captured by Russia.
>>64553584I’ve never really been into parts kits because I feel that most semi-auto belt fed LMGs look cool, but I think it would be a big letdown to pay thousands of dollars for one and it’s still only semi-auto. However, clip fed or mag fed semi-auto LMGs seem like they would seem more “normal” and acceptable. Considering the price on these Hotchkiss parts kits, and the fact people are working on receiver sections and semi-auto conversions, I’m wondering if it would be possible to actually have a semi auto built from these kits some day. Possibly for under $1500 all said and done, which isn’t all that bad of a price for a unique gun. Thanks a lot, anon. Now I’m considering getting one of these kits.
>>64559418>>64553584how do these parts kits even work? isn't there a massive fuck off weld right through the middle of the receiver? I always thought parts kits like this were literally just for show
>>64559418>I’m wondering if it would be possible to actually have a semi auto built from these kits some day. Possibly for under $1500$350 for kit, $450 for receiver. You're at $800. If don't have welding set up, there's another $500. At $1300. Good angle grinder and Dremel, probably $100. At $1400 now. $100 left for whatever other odds and ends may need. If you already have all that then it's just $800-900 per kit.>>64560087>isn't there a massive fuck off weld right through the middle of the receiver?Yeah that's what a grinder is for. You grind it off and clean it up then have a repair section, replacement receiver, or just rebuild the material up. Depends on the kit.
>>64560321How do you legally avoid possessing an unregistered machine gun when you are done welding the receiver back together?
>>64560528You stamp a made up model number and call it a semi auto
>>64508773RANDOM DEEPWATER OUTBACK WEB PAGE FOUND FOR YOU FAGS TO JERK IT OVER!http://www.cablesfarm.co.uk/pocket-pistols/From Bonglandia but not that gay, surprisingly. Or muslim.
>>64560528By having it be a semi only conversion and having welded in a denial bar? What are you, retarded?
GOD I'm cumming for SURP!https://www.swampfoxoptics.com/gallery-inside-dragonmans-military-museum
>>64560736So who gets all his shit when this nigga kicks it?
>>64560735idk, you are the one welding machine guns back together
I have this Carcano 91/38 that's been sporterized and I was wondering if it can be resorted, and if so, how? also, it has the rear sight off of the full size rifle and the only other gun I could find like that was advertised as a 1949 post war Carcano, so I don't know what that's all about.
>>64560528You reweld it in an ATF approved good boy way so that it's considered Not a Machinegun™. If its open bolt its gotta be converted to closed bolt and some parts must not be interchangeable with full auto parts. There are services that will put together your own parts kit for a couple grand, but imo its not really worth it unless said gun has an FRT design cooked up for it.
>>64560953Colorado so probably the crusher
Has anyone else felt themselves slipping from milsurp into a different category of guns?Old hunting guns are starting to look really good, plus they don't shoot a foot high
>>64561128that's called poorfag cope
>>64560970>welding machine guns back together.It's considered scrap metal. You're building a semi automatic with a denial bar installed to prevent giggle parts being added in after usimg a grinder to make the naughty bits compliant.See >>64561044 for a more detailed answer. It's a great way to get cool and odd milsurp stuff. There's two ways to get into it and both have a barrier to entry:>not be room temp IQ and able to actually build something with tools and assembling it correctly to be ATF compliant and safeOr>Not be room temp IQ and have a job that you can afford to pay $1000-3000 for somebody else to do it for you
>>64561161Not if it’s a transition into antique levergats, you lemonhead
>>64561128It's why I'm moving to parts kits of old milsurp. Too many ADHD zoomies following their e-celebs ran pricing up and trying to flip a buck on everything plus the I know what i got boomers. It's a squeeze from both sides of the age groups.At least with parts kits they're going to be cheap again. In general anybody that builds them is awesome and the community has been pretty helpful and consistent over twenty years even as people age in or age out. The barriers to entry probably have something to do with it.
>>64561128ive more found myself more slipping into other categories of milsurp. Started out with rifles, ive found myself picking up pistols nowadays, been considering BP and transitional breechloaders Then again I am not a poorfag so I can continue to stay in milsurp for the foreseeable future so I haven't been priced out except for the extreme high end.
>>64508773My Yugo M48s bore looks like the surface of the moon. It still shoots really well but I managed to find an original, bare steel, unused M48 barrel still in wax paper and cosmoline. We’ll see how it looks when it gets here but if it ends up being a waste, I’m only out $100. Wish me luck.
>>64560983It's generally not very worth it to restore sporterized guns since the parts will end up costing more than just buying an original rifle. More so with Carcanos since they're dirt cheap right now.
>>64556804There is definitely non-select milsurp, for example, Korea still has warehouses full of m1 garands, I forgot the name, but there was an Asian country that had warehouses full of shit on the same level as Ethiopia, but the sellers was asking for too much.
>>64563907Why mess with success?
>>64563907the >muh boooorre retards are retardedif it works then why change it out? you can fuck up the barrel/action torque which will make shoot worse than original, and then when you go to put hte original back on it will shoot worse than before
>>64561173Not quite, more like old hunting guns. Not sure why but I get more joy from them nowadays.Still love my surplus though, it just stopped being a focus.
>>64564074>>64564081I’m not gonna immediately switch it out, guys, relax. It’s more so just to have on hand for when it eventually runs out of life since I reload for and shoot it a lot.
>>64564034alright, thanks. I might look into getting a proper one in the future.
>>64564089>Not quite, more like old hunting guns. Winchester 54 is your entry level tweak into collecting mid 20'th century sporting arms.Let me know when you get to working on Remington Model 10's and Enfield sporters. I have tools.
>>64564476I'm not particularly interested in anything because it's considered a necessary part of a collection, I just get what I like. I know of the 54, but it doesn't do anything for me despite the mystique.
>>64564315Good. I'll admit to sometimes wanting to buy a new 98k profile barrel in .308 from Lothar Walther. My 98k shoots pie plate sized groups with the 8mm barrel on it
>>64564547>I know of the 54, but it doesn't do anything for me despite the mystique.If you get a chance to shoot one, you'll want one.I had a carbine in 7X57 fitted with marbles peep rear and globe front. I'm still kicking myself for selling it. Just glassy slick, light
>>64564056>there was an Asian country that had warehouses full of shit on the same level as Ethiopia, but the sellers was asking for too muchIf this was ten years ago or so, that was the Philippines and they finished going through them.
What is your guys' hottest milsurp take that DOES NOT involve the current market or disparaging a different generation.I......do not care for Mauser autism and find the '98 to be the best iteration
>>64564554If you want a Kar.98k in 7.62NATO you can buy an actual military one; no need to re-barrel something else.
>>64565203>hottest milsurp take that DOES NOT involve the current marketThe current market tends to determine what's hot
>>64565203I hate glocks, sigs, and HKs but most of those aren't surp.'Surp wise I think ive gotten the biggest negative reactions from pointing out carcanos are garbage, arisakas are overrated and saying the M41 is better than the garand and the P38 kinda sucks. Also there are no good french guns between the Charleville and the 1935 Pistol, even the "cool" ones are still shit, especially the MAS 36, that one really upsets retards.
>>64565313I don't want to. I'm not ignorant of other models. I want what I want
>>64565203Bolt action is better than straight pull
>>64565203Lee is overrated for what he contributed to the overall advancement of small arms
>>64565368very hot (wrong) take. remember the mauser brothers stole Lee's magazine design and then reworked it for the 98 action, considering the proliferation of Lee magazines from the late 1870's until the mid 1950s and the mauser magazines that copied it and are still in production.....I'd say if anything his contributions are underrated.
>>64565368thats a very very VERY hot take.
>>64565203While there may be functionally different mechanisms and ergonomics most surp semi-autos such as the M1, G43, FN49, etc produce the same results both in accuracy and overall handling. Boil it down, theyre all the same.
>>64560321>tfw I just bought a new welder for work 2 weeks ago. I like to think I’m a good enough welder to weld a receiver back together. I’m not certified, but I’ve spent several hundred hours TIG, MIG, and stick welding. I’d probably practice TIG welding on similar metal so I don’t fuck up the receiver though. I’m still curious what needs to be done to make it closed bolt and semi auto. Maybe I just need to buy the kit and receiver parts and just wait and see how people do the semi conversion.
>>64565437I should specify I didn’t buy the welder, my work did. I just picked it out. So I’m out $0 there, and work is ok with some personal work if you’re off the clock.
>>64565437>Maybe I just need to buy the kit and receiver parts and just wait and see how people do the semi conversion.Yeup. You follow their instructions. Join weapons guild forum.Here's something a kommando put together a bit ago on how to do a conversion for a mg42.https://kommandoblog.com/2018/09/13/building-parts-kit-mg42-m53-mg3/There's a video that goes with that. It was very detailed and any idiot could follow it. But it may have been lost to the YouTube purges.
>>64553584Thanks I grabbed two of the good conditions and one of the very good conditions. Get here tomorrow. Finishing up printing dummy receivers to make them be display pieces until I get the receiver repair sections and do the conversions from open bolt to closed bolt. Guessing will need to modify bolt, firing pin, and it be a striker fired or an AR15 fcg. Hoping the AR15 fcg so can possibly do a frt.I'm expecting somebody on weapons guild to have a way to convert these into using belts within six months
>>64567233Dummy receivers ready to hold all the parts together until build these 1922 Hotchkisses out
>>64567233>I'm expecting somebody on weapons guild to have a way to convert these into using belts within six months>Within six monthsAbout that..
Can we get an /msg/ "expert" or advanced thread? I want to talk to other knowledgeable anons, not ones who can't tell what a K31 is. The extreme discrepancy in knowledge on /msg/ has led to mostly clueless morons and a small cadre of dudes who do know shit, but talk to everyone like some kind of father figure that assumes you know nothing.What /msg/ feels like now is if one decided to read kindergarten books: it's basic, you gain next to nothing, and it's fucking boring.
>>64567890>What /msg/ feels like now is if one decided to read kindergarten books: it's basic, you gain next to nothing, and it's fucking boring.>you gain next to nothing, and it's fucking boring.>I gain next to nothing>Spoon feed meHave you tried not asking retarded questions? You're only going to get out what you put into it and if you only respond to the trolls you deserve a shit experience.
>>64567890And your whole post is a tautology. Fuck off.
>>64567922>reading comprehension: kindergarten tierThanks for proving my point. And using a word like "tautology" doesn't make you intelligent.
>>64567942Bruhv, writing an overly verbose post to say the same thing over and over is peak retard, then complaining about it when somebody points it out with what that's called, is why you probably get treated like a retard.
>>64567890You're complaining people aren't autistic enough so you want to ignore them and also complaining that people are too autistic and hurt your feelings when they go into great detail of their tisms? I'm confused.
>>64567928To be exact he's doing two tautological statements that are contradictory >I don't like people that aren't experts that don't know enough to be expertsTautological statement one>I don't like people that are experts that know enough to be expertsTautological statement two>Can we have a something that differentiates the two tautologies in to something I likeWhich is the contradictory because he doesn't like both
Calmer than you are
>>64567890Have you tried leddit? That might be more suitable for your refined tastes.
>>64567922>>64568000>>64568022I think he's complaining he doesn't like more knowledgeable types aren't gate keeping info, taking time to explain things to new people, and being elitist so he doesn't learn anything.Which doesn't make sense then because he would be gate kept out. He wants it to be like /arg/ or /akg/ I think?
>>64567890cool story bro
>>64567890While this post is pretty retarded I can kinda see what you mean.The closest thing to an "advanced" /msg/ that currently exists would be the Reloading general. Mostly because, the more "advanced" level of milsurp beyond just find, shoot, collect, research <repeat> is the reloading aspects and hand making obsolete or unobtainable cartridges.It comes up time to time in this general, such as >>64546658 but mostly its the knowledgeable anons waiting for anything from a just google it question to a question that requires the one guy here who happens to have a print version of some mega autism luger book to post a single sentence that explains something.The point being, /msg/ encompasses both the advanced and the mundane. And it needs only for someone to ask those and anything inbetween to elicit good responses.
>>64567890I think the worst thing about /msg/ is the fact nobody posts their surp. In the last 50 posts, there’s 6 pictures of surplus, and I’ve posted 3 of them. Post pictures of your guns. I don’t care if it has nothing to do with your post. I enjoy seeing the scenery, nice looking guns, and seeing how differently you guys stage photos of your guns.
>>64568626>nobody posts their surI posted some of mine and got 0 replies. >>64551507 > seeing how differently you guys stage photos of your guns.I am a terminal floor fag.
>>64568626>there’s 6 pictures of surplus, and I’ve posted 3 of them.3D printed dummy receivers and how to guides for the anon curious about rebuilding cut up surp is still more surp related than this >>64567890 pussy wanting more leddit.
>>64551507>I'll reply since fags try to derail schrodinger's autistic msg about being too autistic and not autistic enough at the same time.Serious q, what's the top one? Guessing some sort of American surp.
>>645689231886 Lebel
>>64568926Damn I was way off. Looks neat and funky little action. I'll start looking into them. Thanks
>>64568938They have the major provenance of being the first purpose built smokeless powder rifle that launched an immediate arms race in Europe to do the same. I like it alot. It has a neat little clunk you feel when loading a round as you feel the next round go into place thru the tube mag.
>>64568994Reading up about parts commonality and the French. French sure are weird, sometimes in a good way and sometimes in a bad way. Always in a French way. I'm starting to go down the French small arms rabbit hole ahead of these Hotchkiss kits getting here.
>>64568771No replies is alright. Just because I don’t reply doesn’t mean I don’t check the pictures. >>64568911I agree, and I’m thankful for the positive contributions people have posted in regards to that. I was one of the anons inquiring about that.
>>64569340I'll post condition of the kits when they get here. Grabbed two of the good and one of the very good. $350-410 for kits with live barrels, receiver not too far off, semi build parts, AR fcg, and possibly a belt conversion is fucking insane.Do get a weapons guild account. From what's posted so far. These kits are going to be easy builds with basic welding skills. I'm waiting for the tutorial on the belt conversion. If these can run belts and a frt for what amounts to a $1000-1200 build each, this is going to be fucking awesome.
>>64568911>3D printed dummy receivers
>>64569348Fedex sitting on the other packages for multi package delivery. Only one kit got here, one of the good condition kits. Opened it up and heart kind of sank. Looked worse than Yugo AK kits that got rush imported before barrel ban. Hit it with WD40 and break cleaner hoping the barrel at least would be usable.Photo 1 of 3>>64570823Weapons guild under 3d section. There's a post with it. Just using it to hold all the bits together. Be sure to add some sort of denial in as it could technically fire one round. I added material so barrel chamber is blocked off.
>>64571546Cleaned up surprisingly well. What I thought was rust turned out to be called on dried rust colored cosmoline. Few areas of rust and light potting, but seen lot worse for sure. Very happy with the condition for a good.Ran a bore snake down the barrel. It had rifling and didn't look pitted or corroded that much. Time to do a muzzle check with a round to see if it gets swallowed.
>>64571604>Called on cosmoline And here it is with an 8mm mauser round. This is definitely usable. Hot damn. These kits are well worth it.
>>64571616>Caked on fucking auto correct Going to toss a video up on YouTube for unboxing.
>>64571625>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MYmRTOJsJ4unboxing vid for it if anybody wants more details.
>>64571546>>64571604>>64571616>>64571840That's pretty cool! I look forward to seeing your progress. Thanks for the info, I may check them out. Though, my hatred of Turkey will keep me from this particular project for now, but maybe for another kit in the future.
Bought a Star 30M a little bit ago. Atlantics deal of $269 for a “good” pistol with 2 mags seems like a good buy, so I figured it was time to snag one.
>>64575189They're neat little pistols, you'll like it. Hard to go wrong with any surplus under $350
>>64571546Kit two gets here today. Thinking I post a how to guide for assembly on a 3D printed dummy receiver to make a display gun until parts get here to do the semi conversion and build. Pretty sure there's going to be anons that buy these but now have skill set yet to build out so will be something neat for them to look at and motivate them to build it one day.
>>64568396>It comes up time to time in this general, such as >>64546658kek thanks anon, no one here will believe it but i wrote that post
>>64567890>Can we get an /msg/ "expert" or advanced threadthe OP post is of some really rare fucking shit, some of the guns posted have less than <100 copies made, and here you complain about /msg/ being babby kindergarten tierlmao the reason no one gives you info on your k31 is because that's basic bitch kindergarten books shit, you could find that on wikipedia for christ sakes. there are some anons with some real rare shit on /k/ and /msg/
>>64576647Ok. Lets assume you did post that Webley post AND you posted the "why cant I talk with super smart smarty pants people....like me"Then your post instead comes off as pic related. check your supreme being big brain at the door and be less of a shit, accept that retards ask retard questions in the same thread that stuff like this happens>>64571546>>64571604>>64571616>>64571840
>>64575289What's better than one Hotchkiss? Two Hotchkisses. Going to bulk up so I can dual wield these and absolutely be an absolute retard.>>64576955Thanks
>>64573540>Thanks for the info, I may check them out. Think it will be easy weld job. After putting the dummies together, the build looks like it will be really simple. The lower and feed tray will act as locks to hold everything and give you the proper dimensions of the replacement sides to weld together. Spot weld then together with lower and feed covers holding everything. Pop them out or leave them in and finish the welds slowly. The semi conversion parts will be sold with the receiver sections too >Though, my hatred of Turkey will keep me from this particular project for now, but maybe for another kit in the future.Same reason I didn't get some kits. These may be able to be converted to belt feds and run a frt. Belt fed conversion is supposedly already done and people looking at what it will need to run a frt. These things are going to be tits.
>>64578270>Two HotchkissesNow (Hotch)kith.
>>64578328They're next to each other kithing on the project bench.
>>64578328Hotchki
>>64571546>Weapons guildWell, looks like registration is dead>>64575289>Thinking I post a how to guide for assemblyIf you can make it look easy enough and make me overconfident in my abilities I might make this next year's project.Otherwise, I was considering cleaning up a RTI Gras Carbine for a wall hanger.
>>64578507Post burner I'll send you the stl files for dummy receiver. I dropped YouTube vid on how to assemble. Reprinting front display half. Cracked it assembling it.
>>64578612Maybe post a catbox in case others are interested?
>>64578880Emailed. If want go ahead and do the catbox. Being kind of lazy today
>>64579006Thanks anon. Good timing on sending it.
>>64508773Not a gun but I just won a very rare sword at auction. British 1821 cavalry officer's sabre. Patent solid hilt, and the extremely rare Percy blade. Sort of like a Toledo but specifically for the thrust (some toledos are quite broad and almost broad/longsword-like). Of the main semi-regulation British blade patterns and modifications, I would probably rank them as:-1. Normal 1845 'Wilkinson' or 1821/1822 pipeback blade or 1892 dumbbell blades (the same pattern as today)2./3. Claymore blade (fewer highland regiments but also the most common non-regulation blade especially for the Royal Navy)2./3. Patent Solid Hilt modification4. Toledo blade5. Flat Solid blade (like a tulwar)6. Lenticular blade (also like a tulwar)7. 1796/Paget style blades when applicable, very uncommon as deliberate officer modifications but quite common in Indian swords8. Percy blades9. Everything else like trophy blades/old smallsword blades/etc which are kind of hard to track since so little information and surviving examples exist or are known aboutIt was a presentation sword given to then-Captain Henry Graham, XVI Queens Own Lancers for 5 years of being an adjunct officer for the Wiltshire Yeomanry (reserve Cavalry force, tended to be the minor nobility and well heeled upper middle class, with Volunteer Rifles being the middle class and Volunteer Artillery being middle/lower working class)He was the last officer in the regiment to purchase his lieutenancy before the reforms and he wrote a 2-volume history on the XVI where he is implicitly pissed they got rid of that and let the Poors rise in the ranks. Didn't see much major combat but not really his fault as he served in the 1870s-1890s when the Empire had relatively little action barring colonial mopping up. I am incredibly excited to get this one because these blades are so exceedingly rare.
Not weapon related but I bought some Romanian milsurp clothing from the 90s (picrel) and can't get the old moldy smell off after multiple washes. What's the most effective/easiest method to clean them?
>>64579280Damn nice. It is milsurp. Bayonets get posted a lot. How much did that run if don't mind?>>64579375Soak it in like half cup of baking soda and water to cover it overnight. Go to for removing dead thing smell, blood and cum stains.
>>64579408NTA but does this work for mothball stink too? I have some clothes including a Romanian jacket with a liner very much not made for machine washing or drying as well as some British DPM where in both cases some well-meaning chucklefuck used mothballs in the box they were stored in. Kept the bugs out but seared the stink in. Impossible to get rid of.
>>64579449I put my jackets in a container and filled it with newspaper's and stuff the newspaper into the sleeves and everything and then forgot about it for a week and they smelt fine after that and bringing them out in the woods for a bitMy N3B still kinda smells after getting it dry cleaned AND the newspaper trick but its WAY less noticeable than before
>>64579491I keep thinking I got all the mothball stink out after airing it out and washing it (no noticeable smell at either stage), but then I throw it in the dryer and WHEW does that heat bring it out of the fabric. I've considered leaving the heater on in a room with the window cracked to see if that accelerates its breakdown and removal but I don't really want to mothball an entire room of my house in the process.
>>64579505Never tried for mothballs but used baking soda to get spoiled milk smell out of carpet from when of my toddlers through their milk in the car and it exploded all over the place. Missed a few spots and hit it with baking soda and water after. Worked like a charm
>>64579634I'll have to try that, then. Also, if your car is totally coated in that stink, try Ozium original (blue in pic, also available in large can in Walmart automotive section). As close to unscented as it gets for odor removal in a can as it gets without going to the nuclear option of an ozone generator which can damage plastic (but kills mold spores!). Good for "why the hell does my car still smell like (insert food)/(insert scent caused by hunting)/(insert other odor)" situations but no replacement for actual cleaning. One step above Ozium is a wet/dry carpet vacuum like a Bissell Little Green which is what you really should be using to clean once or twice a year but Ozium works in-between as needed. Even gets rid of cigarette smoke pretty good without having to go the ozone route which is a godsend when you need to use someone else's car only to realize they smoke in it. As for the vacuum, I use Dawn in warm water instead of the cleaner solution as most mud dust comes right out no issues. Then Shout or something like that for spot cleaning with a soft brush as not to tear the fibers in the weave of seats or pull out strands from your carpets. Brush can also be used with previously mentioned Dawn and warm water in a spray bottle. For some reason I think the Dawn in the spray bottle tends to get dirt cleaned off easier than the normal squeeze bottle but YMMV. Should probably wet vac your car to prevent the floorboards from continuing getting fucked by the gunk stuck in and under the carpet but I like having spring/summer so I can crack the windows and run a fan to make sure it dries out 100% after.
>but I like having spring/summer so I can crack the windows and run a fan to make sure it dries out 100% after.*I like doing it in Spring/Summer so I can crack the windows after. I may be a little retarded.
>>64579408Not as much as I feared. I bid up to 1600 ukp, it sold at 650ukp with fees ending at just under 900ukp or 1,200 American. At least half or less than what a dealer would sell this for. Not cheap, but a very fair price especially for one this rare. Below is some sperging about 19th century military sabres. I also won one 2 weeks ago, another patent solid hilt but weird because it had a folding guard (something that was out of popularity in the time it was made, and patent hilts were advertised as more robust combat swords), and retailed by an extremely high end gun store/tailoring outfit, Robert Garden of Picadilly for 190ukp. Gonna need some work to clean that one up but for all the things wrong with my life, I am having so much success in collecting and researching swords across multiple European countries. (UK, France, Italy, Switzerland, and Sweden primarily)IIRC in period officers swords by say Wilkinson for an average best proved/patent hilt could be 2x the normal cost and I calculated it out once as ~15% of your annual salary as a British officer. You cant really compare across nation and time period for so many variables but a current O1 in the British Army earns about 53k USD a year. That is just about 8,000 USD in todays cost for a high end sword. A presentation sword with an irregular blade that had to probably be hand ground and not using a rolling machine would be even more expensive, so around 10k USD. 19th century sabres are in that great range of not being old enough to have the old-tax added to the price so you can still get them for even cheaper than their period cost. In the coming decades those prices will be increasing due to age, and the provenance tax of rarer patterns will rise exponentially as well.
>>64579761OK I wanted to cite my sources more accurately again so I found the 1902 Hart's Army Guide list for pay, a 2nd lt in the cavalry would earn 6 shillings, 8 pence a day. This is about 122.3 pounds sterling a year. (https://digital.nls.uk/british-military-lists/archive/100624670 also picrel)This page from Forde Military antiques has a price list (no image) for Wilkinson swords also dated 1902: https://www.fordemilitaryantiques.com/articles/2020/1/22/wilkinsons-swords-part-two-by-robert-wilkinson-latham#:~:text=For%20those%20interested%2C%20here%20is%20a%20list%20of%20sword%20prices%20from%201902%3A"-Regulation infantry swords were £5-5-0 or £6-10-0 with a patent solid tang.-Rifles swords were £5-5-0 or £7-0-0 with a patent solid tang.-Cameronians and Rifle Brigade swords were £5-15-0 or £7-0-0 with a patent solid tang. -Medical staff swords, with gilded hilts, were £4-4-0.-Royal Engineers swords were £5-5-0.-Guards swords were £7-10-0.-Claymores were £7-15-0.-Royal Artillery swords were £5-17-6 or £7-2-6 with a patent solid tang."So that isn't quite 15%. Closest for cavalry is royal artillery in 1902 but with a slightly more expensive hilt so probably 8lb sterling for a patent solid regularly, but wayyyy more for anything they don't have a rolling machine for. (Think of those penny presses)
What's the worst bore on any of your milsurps that you guys have? I took a gamble on a Commission 88 that's pretty worn with 4 inches at the throat being a smoothbore. Trying to see if there's anything I can do considering it is the original matching barrel on it.
>>64580989Ljungman. It came bubbad with a Hakim mag, a shellac'd stock with a double tang split and cracked handguard, and a really worn down bore. I paid like 1500 for it off GB in early 2021 and havent ever done anything with it because I can't find a new old stock for it. Lowkey considering trying to upcycle it with an M14e2 stock the way that one guy did to a Hakim. But keep the stock longer, without the picatinny block, a rubber butt pad, some sort of FG42 type of grip just for the aesthetics, and the MG15 25-round mags as a sort of semi auto overwatch rifle for the 1950s. Maybe a scout mount or trying to make a janky diopter setup if the Ljungman stock is impossible to find.I wonder how different the Hakim stocks are internally if I couldn't rig one of those? I know where to find NOS barrels but I have no idea who could rebarrel it for me.
>>64579280Very neat history. >>64580989>What's the worst bore on any of your milsurps that you guys have?Greek M.03/14. It almost looks like a modern polygonal bore.
>>64581099Thank you! To his credit, Col. Graham also wrote a 2 volume history of the Wiltshire Yeomanry as well. In both cases, the 2nd volumes were written in 1925 each and covered the history of the XVI and WYC from 1912 through the great war. It goes into medieval armoury levels of detail describing cigar cases at the officer's private club and crystal drinking glasses, etc. I wanna find his exact quote about the Childers and Cardwell reforms though because it is legitimately interesting, hold on. "Purchase was abolished by an unprecedented use of the Royal Prerogativeby Mr. Gladstone after his Bill to that effect had been thrown out by the Houseof Lords, and was professedly for the benefit of officers who were too poor topurchase their commissions and to enable a lower and more ' democratic ' classof person to enter the army. [...]It was no doubt disagreeable to the non- purchase officer tobe passed over by his junior if he could not afford himself to purchase , butsooner or later his chance was sure to come , at any rate , as far as the rank ofcaptain , and then he obtained for nothing not only his promotion , but avaluable and saleable commission . It is true that such promotion but veryrarely occurred as far as the higher regimental ranks of major or lieut. - colonelwere concerned, but once a captain the non-purchase officer obtained certain ,though slow, promotion in the Army by brevet for length of service .[...]
>>64581378(cot'd)Some of the changes introduced by Mr. Cardwell were more or less inevitableowing to the changed conditions of modern life and the difficulty of obtainingrecruits , for there had been a great and sudden expansion of trade after theclose of the war in France , and the working classes were unusually prosperous.Many of the changes , too , were really very beneficial , and more would havebeen so had Mr. Cardwell been allowed full scope for his schemes by theGovernment . But his name was for years a bye-word and reproach in theArmy owing chiefly to the boasts of a section of the Radical party that thesechanges were directed against the aristocratic spirit which it was pleased to attribute to the officers .[...]The attacks of these people on the officers nearly culminated in the actual disbandment of one of the leading Lancer Regiments. The officers of this 1872corps refused to associate with the first sub-lieutenant posted to it on accountof his habits and character . This was, of course, at once asserted to be dueto an organised and continuous opposition to the new regime , and a howl ofindignation arose in the Radical press. Fortunately for the regiment , theofficer in question rendered himself amenable to a civil charge during the heightof the storm , and he prudently vanished from the scene of his own accord.In the Sixteenth no such difficulties arose. The young officers who wereappointed under the new regulations were of exactly the same class as of old,and the orders concerning their uniform were quietly ignored until they were cancelled .
>>64565398I get what you're going for but I think there's a lack of scope to this thought. There are colossal differences to the handling in most of the semi auto surp rifles, even in the short few decades of their heyday. And accuracy being mostly the same is a copout, that's true of bolters as well.It would probably be more accurate to say the differences between manual repeaters is underappreciated compared with semis
>>64559418>>64559418i have the horse fucker carbine of the Mauser 1891 argentino.Both the kick and the blast are most entertaining.I blew the tip of the firing pin out of the bore when dryfiring it.Was quite a process to get a repro pin from Numrich to Europe.Had an armorer inspect both the old and the new pin, Numrich was so long it would have pierced the primer, had to be shortened.A remade firing pin made by armorer, including measuring the original one with installing and fine adjustment would have been cheaper than the import drama-rama and the afterwork but hey, its firing now.that little boomstick is in one row with k98 and m95, shoulder-massage related.
Not entirely related, but are there any photos or videos of what the actual amplification through the first few nightvision devices like the ZG 1229 looked like?
>>64580989Previously before re-barreling, a 1917 Enfield. I stupidly bought one of the RTI refurbed ones when they were on sale. There was so much shit in the bore it gave a totally false reading on muzzle gauges and by the time I finished cleaning it, a gauge could get halfway down the barrel before stopping. Two foot wide groups and keyholing at 15 yards, think it was bored oversized from factory because there was still very visible rifling left. Current worst bore would be pic related, has the original matching barrel and not much pitting, but is just so worn out I wouldn't rely on hitting a torso sized target beyond maybe 35 yards. These rifles had long and hard lives
>>64580989I do not buy firearms whose bores I cannot personally inspect and judge to be satisfactory
>>64567233Any update on the VG condition one? I'm torn between a dirty "good" $300 and the Very Good "black painted" one at $380.
>>64584382Still in processing. At this point I have two more than buildable kits from the goods. Goods are probably worth it and the very good might not be worth the extra $80 unless you're anal retentive to have multiples. I am.
>>64584382My dad got a break open double 12ga from a neighbor old as shit that has sat in a box, disassembled in his garage for years now. I have nver gotten around to it but I really want to try and clean it up just to assess what can even be done with it. If nothing else, I might actually expose the barrel to ferric chloride or a long soak in coffee (yes, really) to see if there is a pattern to the steel. Until relatively recently, even "pure" steels had some sort of lamination or composite element. Lots of sword guys will call a sword 'wootz' or damascus simply because they etched the blade and guess what, a pattern appeared. Until you could get steel down to pure molten material, it was always going to be more heterogenous. >Picrel is a Swiss 1817 spadroon tip I etched out of boredom. It is very high end, hence the tightness of the grain, but this was never meant to be seen. Just like Japanese swords it is a means to an end of a purer homogenous steel. Digression aside, lots of shotguns had coiled wire barrels or actual patterns.
>>64584382thats not rust, thats called patina sonny. that guns got character unlike you!sent from my 1968 four on the floor via facebook messenger
>>64584594I was just torn on having to do the cleanup. I prioritize a good barrel and furniture. But after reading what Apex was saying on WG forums I see that these were all imported in the 90s and the painting and hardcase packaging was done by some other shop which Apex then acquired them from. Someone even mentioned sand from the sandblasting being present in their case. So, ultimately it seems the "Very Good" refers mostly to them being painted over rather than actual metal/barrel quality.I also got sniped on an auction tonight, so I guess this will be my Christmas Vacation project.
>>64584674Thats right Bob, these kids these days only ever seen a gun with good character from a screen on their phone. They aint know the difference in the real world_______Sent via dictatalk parrot that then flew to the post office where the parrot wrote out the post on a letter addressed to his 20 year old grand nephew who then wrote this post.
Is it worth browsing websites like legacy or do the superboomers hop on all the deals within 5 minutes of them being posted?
>>64508773Anyone ever heard of or seen a rifle bipod with wooden legs? Telescopic or not.
>>64584835good deals will never sit around waiting for you, regardless where they are posted.
>>64584835Deals wait for no one anon no matter where
>>64584098>I do not buy firearms whose bores I cannot personally inspect and judge to be satisfactoryI wouldn't have over 80% of my collection if I had to personally inspect all my bores in person. I can usually get by on pics of the muzzle and a pic down the bore but this 88 didn't come out as good as I thought it might be from the pics they sent.
do you guys use 409 for cleaning your stocks? I find its good at getting that 90 year old layer of sticky skin oil and cigarette tar off of every rifle I get
>>64584703That's what I was thinking for very good just being painted ovef. One of the kits had brand new barrel, but outside was a little rough. Still completely usable and definitely not bad for surplus.Damn didn't know that for these being let in country in the 90s and just say on by some other company. I know apex was posting they had crates and crates of the clips and were still sorting everything. Hopefully that other company had some other cool shit apex acquired and is able to let go at 1990s pricing.
Is a numbers-matching but russian capture refinished S/42 1936 mauser worth $1200?
>>64585121No. $800 max is what I'd do. If you're desperate $1000. Also no such thing as a numbers matching Russian Capture unless the importer says St Albans century then it'd be a late 80s import and even then a few small parts weren't matching.
>>64585203>Also no such thing as a numbers matching Russian Capture unless the importer says St Albans century then it'd be a late 80s import and even then a few small parts weren't matching.isn't simpson ltd supposed to be luger experts?Here is the gun https://www.simpsonltd.com/products/C71424
>>64585289>Mauser>Luger made by Mauser Should have specified it's a Luger made by Mauser. Most people see Mauser and assume Mauser action rifle, not a Luger made by Mauser. That's an okay price then for a Luger. Not sure if they mixed and matched all theirnluger parts like they did Mausers.
>>64584971No bore photo, no buy. Good bore photos. Boomers can’t even focus a full view photo. They can’t even take a photo of a crest.
>>64583208>Type 24Some time ago I bought one with an "excellent" bore. Upon inspection it turned out to have a Yugo barrel installed lmao
>best solvent for stripping paintOnce again hot soapy water and a brush dominates
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>>64590801Incester Crotchkiss
>>64590801Shmaloogles
>>64590801yes homo
>>64591333I r winrar
is 0/40 Krag Calibe expensive?
>>64591801eh, sort of middle ground between cheap and expensive when compared to other calibers in the same availability.
>>64591817Well that rifle with a sideloading machanism is only available in .30-40 Krag right?
>>64591836Yes. if you mean the Springfield Krags then yes they all came out of the factory in 30-40. Now if you want to talk all the Euro Krags thats a thing to, but the ammo availability is much much less and more expensive.
Gents, it's a momentous day for me as I've acquired one of my grail guns. I've finally gotten an Eagle of Saladin crest FN49 that was dovetailed for an Echo mount. Now I have to get 8mm mauser dies since I've been putting it off for ages, and probably dump the century butter wood for an original stock.
>>64591956Grats. Looks really good, even in that stock.
>>64591333>>64591345Well damn that was a lot faster than I expected. Congrats.I'll add your digits as a faux serial as well.
Are the hump rear sight on Inglis Hi Powers part of the slide or are they dovetailed into the slide?
>>64585104Very good kits are completely refinished and look excellent. Barrel is brand new. I think they took the best condition kits and professionally refinished them. Well worth the extra $80. Glad got one of these. Going to have an excellent and battle worn when done.
>>64594830Paper it came with.
>>64594840>the crossed out 2 ammo strip clipsThat'll be an extra $14.95 each goyim.
You fuckers are about to make me make a very stupid purchase.
Helping a buddy out with trying to find/pin down some of his family's history, can anyone point me in the right direction as to where I could do more reading about this rifle? Apparently belonged to his grandpa who fought in Germany, not much more info beyond that. thanks in advance for your help, anons
>>64596555receiver stamp. I havent seen the gun personally, but apparently its all matching besides the muzzle device
>>64596559"Land Div" caught my attention
>>64596570A folding-stock version of the carbine, the M1A1, was also developed after a request for a compact and light infantry arm for airborne troops. The Inland Division of General Motors manufactured 140,000 of them in two product runs in late 1942.[31] They were originally issued to the 82nd and 101st airborne divisions but were later issued to all U.S. Army Airborne units and the U.S. Marine Corps.[31] The folding-stock M1A1 is an unusual design in that the stock is not locked in the open or closed position, but is instead held in place by a spring-loaded cam.
>>64596279Do it.>>64595856I'm the bestest of goyim
>>64596279The only stupid part of that is $40 for the century old bit of stamped tin "aircraft sight". Once mine gets in I was planning to try and design a 3D printed one to stick on.
>>64596555>>64596559>>64596570Your friend has an Inland Division M1A1 Carbine. The paratrooper version of the M1 Carbine. Inland isnt necessarily a rare or highly sought after manufacturer of the many builders of the rifle. Lots of Paratroopers are faked, but yours is correct. Its more likely that grandpa put a reproduction flash hider on it though.That serial number puts it at around 1942 manufacture date.Overall a great gun and super fun to shoot.
>>64597008He did say that he knew that flashhider was something his grandpa added after he had bought the gun, so that tracks. Thanks anon.>mauser pic for your troubles
>>64596985I autistically counted pixels to get the dimensions right based on the pictures online.
>>64597205I think that looks right. Just need to make a stem for it now. Easy.
>>64596833>Have to pay tax as wellGoddamnit I'm such a good goy.>>64596985I have a fetish for anti-air spider web sites and it just wouldn't feel right if it was just made of plastic.
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