General to discuss fully semi-automatic devices, such as the forced reset trigger (FRT) and super safety (SS).Previous: >>64511170News:>super safety goes belt fed with the Lima Six>known scumbags Twin Bros file fraudulent patent claiming they invented the Hoffman super safety>AS Designs ship 8,000 Arc-Fire selectors, have another 23,000 emails signed up for restock notifications>Rarebreed at Cancon 2025 soft launch a drop in FRT trigger pack for factory SEF and NAVY roller delay housings (MP5, G3, etc.)Stamboulieh Law makes weekly videos on all the latest lawfare:https://youtube.com/@2alawIs it legal? Yes! Unless you live in a cuck state.https://www.atf.gov/firearms/rare-breed-triggers’-frt-15s-and-wide-open-triggers-wots-returnYou've heard of FRTs, but what's a "super safety"?>uses the safety to force the reset of the trigger>allows for way more trigger options (you just have to trim two places)>invented by Tim Hoffman (https://hoffmantactical.com)>gifted to the world to freely 3D print>enterprising people now selling super safeties made of steel (recommend at least 4140)>cheaper than an FRT ($90-$150)>originally a 3-position cross-bolt safety>left is safe, right is semi, middle is super>3-position 90° super safety selectors are now available>Atrius was first, but theirs breaks easily, shipping is slow, and CS sucks>AS Designs now makes one, and it's solid, shipping estimates are pretty accurate, and their CS is greatTo make an AR-15 super safe you need:>M16 style/"full auto" bolt carrier group>H3 or H2 buffer weight (does 600-750 rpm of 5.56)>"low shelf" lower receiver>SS>trigger with SS cutMaking other long guns/PCCs super safe varies. They often need full lower replacements that use AR controls.How it works:https://youtu.be/KIxsnh2fFToSee it action:https://youtube.com/@juiceymedia1https://youtube.com/@poorboyarmshttps://youtube.com/@printshootrepeatDistributors:https://pastebin.com/mcJrsT9W
I read the OP. Sometimes.
If you had an Arc-Fire, would you put it on an MP5 that already has a cross-bolt super safety or would you put it in an AR that has nothing? For people with super safe ARs, just how much more money are you spending per month on ammo? I'm nervous about entering the super safe 5.56 world due to ammo price differences.
>>64578735If you're concerned about ammo costs why are you putting a super safety in your shit?
>>64578735The mp5, it's cooler, cheaper on ammo and probably more fun to shoot super safe.
>>64578735Why not the AR? You dont need to shoot it in SS mode 100% of the time
>>64578331No but it turned out my stupid ass just installed the trigger wrong anyway as seen in >>64576113, I was probably just so excited and in a hurry to get it put together.Anyway I took it out last night, semi worked exactly like it should. ARC worked perfectly for about 3-4 mags before I started getting lots of double feeding and it just stopped doing forced reset altogether (still shot semi at least). That worried me a bit since MPXs are already notorious for breaking triggers but when I opened it up everything looked intact. Probably just needs a cleaning since I haven't done that once in the few months I've had it and 1k rounds I've put through it lol, I'll bump it up to the 40% springs as well.
>>64578899What trigger are you using? Mine came with a Timney cassette trigger, so I purchased a SS cut Geissele SD-C. Everything function checked just fine until I put the upper on.
>>64578853this, and it's not even close.
>>64579790Just using the trigger that came with the arc. Also not using the trigger bridge since it didn't fit that trigger.
I really want to get a super safety but where can I actually shoot it? Especially in Indiana
>>64578544So, has anybody started to make matches for FRT use? Honestly i think what FRTs need the most right now is for people to start organizing an FRT specific league, could probably lift a lot off the subgun match guys. That'd get the ball rolling both in terms of popularizing them even more and destigmatizing them both in the eyes of range owners and less informed firearm owners.The biggest issue with FRTs now are possible future legislation and the fact that so much of the population doesn't have any convenient way to shoot them due to boomer range rules.
>>64579841I may need to find a different trigger then. I'll call AS Designs this week just to confirm its not me.
>>64580001What's stopping you from using the arc trigger?
>>64580001trigger bridge? If you mean the lever blocker, you dont need that in the mcx series because of the trip
Came across this https://www.reddit.com/r/ak47/comments/1mezi7t/3_position_super_safety_makes_crappy_usa_ak_much/ Guy was able to make a 3pos AK with just an ALG trigger and Fa safety, no disconnector swap required. Its probably going to be my plan for next year to work on my 23" 7.62x39 Vepr. If it works out, I'll go back and redo the one in my saiga
>>64580188from this it seems like he already had the FA parts>I just used the normal jig to shape the trigger, then took a TINY bit more off following the instructions in this video. The rifle already had the appropriate safety selector and disconnecter so I just had to Dremel a notch for the position.
>>64580218>>64580188nvm I read more, something about the trigger itselfseems neato
>>64580132Putting the upper on is stopping me. Everything stops working, I'm barely able to charge the charging handle, I can't put it in safe, semi doesn't fire, the safety lever is a bitch to turn. Literally unfucking usable. While I followed the instructions, all the videos were over the shoulder and there are no pics. I can't gurantee everything is in there right considering.>>64580145Yeah I was able to insert the slip trip kit, can you post a pic of yours? I'm fairly certain the lever is in correct, but considering nothing is working, maybe I fucked up royally.
>>64580274did you see this?https://vimeo.com/1139247828/a70f3cbe54?fl=pl&fe=ti
Why tf wont Leber ship their 3d printed lowers to VA? There are no FRT laws (yet)And its just the housing, not a SS, so wtf?What are the options for roach made MP5? Preferably keeping OG looks.
>>64580274This is how mine looks, fits in just right and trip is behind the lever. Are you having trouble with the g$ trigger, the included trigger or both?
>>64580188I'm curious if he got this three position AK FRT working using the ALG AKT disconnector?I tried a fair bit to get my three position AK FRT SS working and I couldn't get it to work reliably. It would hang up if you pulled the trigger hard.
So when are these tards going to start shipping off precut triggers and supersafeties for 80 a pop? Better yet, when are they going to start shipping full size pistols and rifles with them installed from the factory? Seems like the most progressive thing anyone could do
Anyone else just collect all the different types of FRTs out there? I don't know why but i just like collecting them, maybe in fear of them getting the ban hammer? I have like 10 or 15 FRTs so far and I've yet to install one.
>>64580940I have a lot, I have some for platforms I dont even own yet
>>64580893Turns out their whole "2A for all" is just bullshit marketing and PSA isn't some le hecking based altruistic community driven company but rather just greedy investment firm boomer driven bottom line onsessed slop farm. They'll get into FRTs once it is more profitable and less risky.
>>64582305i guarantee they have some FRTs being developed under their name but they probably are waiting for them to be "more legal". They probably don't want retards who can't use Google asking why they can't have an FRT shipped to their state.
Frts and super safeties are so fucking gay and should be illegal.
>>64582305>and PSA isn't some le hecking based altruistic community driven companyThat title should be reserved for primary arms. They'll ship anything anywhere just about.
When are they going to make an FRT for the Sp5k that allows us to keep the original lower? I just don't wanna ruin the look with that AR shit
>>64582516Raregreed is dropping this pretty soon. They obviously have a functioning prototype. FRT SS trigger pack that drops into both SEF and NAVY factory housings. Not sure what other parts it makes use of. They claim it works with HK and clones. Lever style safety levers. >AR shitI agree that whole period of shit was lame. I'm excited to extend my current experiment of FRT/SS/Auto vs Semi hit factor at various ranges for various shot string lengths to the MP5K.
>>64582397you are gay and should be on reddit
Looks like rare greed has a flat trigger now.
>>64583304According to PSRs new video, they are testing a drop in for the scorpion evo as well
>>64584365boom
Are those shitty mpa mac 10s frtable?
>>64584513no, at least not yet
>>64584365I imagine it'll work for the nexus since it's aluminum and roller delayed but it's gonna be insane seeing people try to drop them into stock plastic scorpions only for them to explode after a couple mag dumps
>>64583304Why would you want a trigger that your finger can slip up or down down during firing?
>nearly $700 for an AUG FRTI want to cry.
>>64585125They should sell them for $70, imo. That's a more reasonable price for a trigger.
>>64585219>opinion noted
>>64582948>>64582516They better hurry up because we are running out of time for all that "common use" hopium argument Shit is getting banned even in red states.I'm in VA so I only have a month or so before they destroy 2A here and I want to finish my Mp5 clone build beforehand.Heck, Im even buying the can and paying the 200 cuckstamp now because I think if I wait until January there will be a backlog and I won't get it approved in time.
>>64585125>enough disposable income to drop a couple grand on an AUG>won't put his money where his mouth is and bitches about a couple hundo
>>64585395>couple grand>$1600
anyone have insight on how long the ATF tech division takes to review an item like an FRT? the answers ive gotten from some people has been 2-3 months with the new regime.
>>64585125from where?
>>64585878Alright anon share the $1600 augs with the class
>>64578899A thorough deep cleaning did the trick, who would've thought? The gas system and bolt were both disgustingly caked in gunk, never letting it get to that point again for sure.Just finished testing it out, with all the spring weights I had as well. Stock and +20% seemed best with one ftf each, +40% was very finicky and probably only worth it with a non-flow through suppressor. Also managed to do proper mag dumps, it was only working in bursts of 4-5 max while dirty. Might get an adjustable gas plug next and mess around with that to see if it helps at all.
>>64585384VA has been purple going on blue for 20 years. Sorry DC federal employees have fucked you.
>>64586867>>64586813
>>64587052>black
>>64587057So what crakkka
>>64586867read fuquay gun as fucking gay gun
>>64587096Nta, but ai really like the white stormtrooper colorway.
>>64587920green for me, kinda looking for a solution that doesnt require drilling into the stock I need it made out of metal
thoughts on the canik FRT?https://youtu.be/xaanZRTjT8EI love my glock FRT and I have the beretta one but didnt install it yet
>>64580893>>64582305They've gotten too big and are worried about the Glock switch shit falling on them with the dagger or whatever their Gen 3 Glock clone is>>64584365Nexus already has been shot with an FRT.You drop a FRT inna direct blowback evo w/o nexus you are begging for an OOB
>>64585125AUGSSv2 incoming I'd wait if I were you
>>64588108did nexus solve the oob 100%?
apparently nexus is working on a bren 2 frt, which the bren 3 was purchasable
>>64588111Fuck, wish I heard of this sooner. Pre order only $450... And since it says drop in, I suppose no drilling is necessary
>>64586876hi anon i have an mpxsd and im waiting on my arc to get here. i heard trigger slap is pretty bad on the mpx how is it on yours?I am very upset that gen 1 rails and unobtainium, i wish i could find a quadrail adjacent handguard because MLOK on the MPX looks gay as fuck.
>>64588134I haven't heard of any of them exploding so I imagine so. The main reason it happens in regular scorpions is from bump firing or binary triggers, the plastic body can't handle that massive fucking bolt shaking around like that. The nexus is aluminum and roller delayed so it's both stronger and softer.Honestly kinda fuckin expensive for what it is but if you absolutely must have something that looks like a scorpion I wouldn't bother with the og and I'd just go nexus, regular scorpions are money pits anyway. I'm just upset that they seem to have stopped making the slanted handguards for the nexus, the square ones look so fucking boring and ruin the distinct scorpion shape.>>64588519Doesn't feel bad to me but I don't really have much point of reference as this is the first thing I've ever shot with a super safety/frt in it. It does require a bit of finesse to do an entire mag dump but otherwise it shoots fine, I mainly saw people talking about trigger slap problems with frts when I first looked into it a few months ago.>I am very upset that gen 1 rails and unobtainium, i wish i could find a quadrail adjacent handguard because MLOK on the MPX looks gay as fuck.You and me both brother. Space magic industries makes an LVAW handguard for the MCX which gives me hope that they might recreate the gen 1 MPX handguard too but the LVAW handguard is also over 600 dollars and in limited batches so even then they might not be worth it lol
>>64586876glad you got it working
>>64588557How touchy is the trigger? I've shot a few FRTs, and the DTT felt like I could pin the trigger, but the hoffman was very specific and would only fire in semi if you tried to shoot as if normal. I suspect it's due to bolt velocity, but what's your experience?
>>64588589On the touchier side, you can't pin it back or it'll just shoot semi like the Hoffman. I don't know if that's the arc in general or just in the MPX, I'd really like to throw it into my AR sometime for comparison.
Got my ARCs installed and on one of my rifles it's great but the other have an issueSafe and semi operate just fine, however on ARC mode, I would get maybe 2 shots and then nothing, but the trigger resets after taking my finger off completelyThe lower has a geissele with the lever blocker in it, what do you think could be the problem?
>>64586867i paid 1600 for mine. Gotta get dealz, dumbo
>>64588688>what do you think could be the problemThe fucking gaysleeJust rock a mil spec. Jesus. >>64588519>MPX looks gay as fuckYes what did you expect, it is a sigger product.
>>64588557I looked into it more, they solved the oob issue by making the bolt out of stronger and better materials. The original bolt is made out of softer, cheaper and shittier metal which leads to oob
It's wlid that there isnt a TP9 FRT
>>64588134PSR just dropped a video on nexus + frt and he dumps a stupidly high round count. He's obv using the nexus d2 enhanced bolt with it tho so while nexus is saying normal cz bolt works fine they were referring to semi plinking pre frt - the cz bolts have soft steel, soft enough that there's underside premature wear fucking with sear engagement causing OOBD. The nexus rollers interface with the top of the bolt- an area never intended to face major wear or friction - that being said it's an aluminum reciever and the rollers are harder than the CZ bolt so I wouldn't feel bad expending the CZ bolt and risking an OOB - they have a kit for CZ bolts to increase performance in the nexus.That being said all this shit or even buying a complete nexus puts you above MP5 clones and the kuna/stribog in $$$
>>64588857Works being done... slowly.That trigger system is a nightmare and should probably get gutted unless the goal is a progressive trigger FRT
>>64588874this has the same trigger as the p90? interesting, I didnt know that. I guess that's the reason why the trigger is bad
>>64588688It's the Geissele.The FRT community needs to stop gimping itself with that shit and push cheaper triggers that don't need lever blocker doodads and shoes.I'd rather get 65% of the geiselle performance for 20% of the price with no doodads nonsense or further shaving required - shit just worked. I also don't want a light ass trigger on an FRT, there should be a minor expectation of losing semi performance
>>64588885>>64588844my other build has a geissele in it and it works, at the end of the day I just want a 2 stage trigger that works with the ARC and I rather not have a lever blocker at all, but because of how hammers are designed for 2 stage triggers, this doesnt seem to be possibleIdeally I'd use the 2 stage schmid
>>64588878P90 shares trigger pack and some components with the AUG. Both had progressive trigger options but almost all f/a P90 have a semi lockout like the Irish AUGs doB&T TP9 trigger system is closer to swiss watch internals tier which is hilarious given how bad pull is because its a dethroned progressive trigger
>>64588892very interesting, thanks for the clarification!
>G$>geissele>its the trigger broeven if you fags are not wrong, it works on my gun, OP needs to get better at the fitment is my guess.
>>64578544Why do you burgers seethe when someone calls these things machine guns? You already beat the ATF in that legal battle which confirmed these are legal, so who cares? And they really ARE machine guns, by any definition except the ATF's.
>>64589009>burgersgo somewhere else, noguns
>>64588885>>64588891I agree with anon. The obsession with gayslee trigger FRTs is fucking stupid redditors with their GPR builds. We finally get a real full auto facsimile, after years of bullshit like bumpstocks and binary crap, and retards are slowing down the proliferation so they can have a nice le crisp maymay semi auto break candy cane stick jesus fucking christ. >>64588994>get better at the fitmentUnironically gayslee QC could be such that a non-critical dimension for semi auto application is varying by a couple ten thou and in FRT/SS systems is causing issues. >>64589009They are not machine guns, fundamentally, mechanically, physically, independent of definitions. One of the most interesting aspects I've found of FRT/SS systems is assuming they're designed decently well, looking at some of the current options, you can literally adjust the ROF in real time by modulating the trigger finger pressure, removing more or less energy from the operating system, increasing or decreasing the ROF. A machine gun absolutely does NOT behave in this way.
>>64589041Firing a super safe gun requires exactly the same operation as firing an auto sear gun - a single steady pull of the trigger. That the trigger happens to be wiggling back and forth while firing is irrelevant to this fact. By any reasonable definition that makes it fully automatic.
>>64589133You've never shot a gun in your life let alone something equipped with a super safety or frt, fuck off
>>64589133>a single steady pull of the triggerExcept that's wrong. Super safeties are a single pull of the trigger per shot. You going to tell me that bump firing is also a machine gun?
>>64589762Except bump firing isn't functionally identical to a machine gun, while going super safe is. The super safety was specifically designed to require no change in operation or technique by the shooter in order to work - in other words, it works fully automatically.
>>64589818Neither is super safe lol. Did you not read a single word I said? Super safes are a SINGLE PULL of the trigger per shot. It's functionally semi auto. Just because it's shooting fast doesn't make it a machine gun.
>>64589133Shut the fuck up troll>>64589818You're wrong as fuck. You can lock up a mechanism with enough trigger finger pressure, or alternatively as I said, you can literally influence the rate of fire depending on the magnitude of applied trigger finger force. In the vast majority of FRT and SS mechanisms there is NO separate sear (auto sear) off of which the hammer is being released during FRT/SS mode. The hammer is released off of the semi auto sear, just the same way that it is in semi mode. Literally can't tell if you're a trolling sociopath, or an advanced deployment bot AI shill thing. Fuck off.
>>64589818you can continuously pull the trigger, however the trigger is doing a single function per shot, whereas full auto is firing multiple rounds per 1 function of the trigger
>>64588844>>64589833MP5Ks look so good with an acro, gotdamn
>>64589833>You can lock up a mechanism with enough trigger finger pressureA design flaw which will no doubt be fixed in later designs>influence the rate of fire depending on the magnitude of applied trigger finger force.That consiously varying finger pressure CAN influence the function of the SS is irrelevant to the point that it doesn't REQUIRE that to function.>there is NO separate searAgain irrelevant to the functionality of the super safety. A machine gun needs no sear at all, you can take the FCG out of a fixed firing pin blowback, pull back, and let her rip to prove this>>64589843>you can continuously pull the triggerSo you admit what I've been saying, no change in user input to function=fully automatic>the trigger is doing a single function per shotI'm well aware of your government's nonsensical definition.
>>64589843Nta, but a semantical difference only. That's the appeal of the loophole, which is not a loophole, it's straightup federal law and fullu legal. Just like the bump stocks. Oh...
>>64589881>I'm well aware of your government's nonsensical definition.Now you're just being contary. You are aware, but disagree with it. We.
>>64589881I noticed that you still haven't responded to my post where I pointed out that it's literally fast semi auto. Why is that?
>>64589859fucking waiting on the Raregreed roller FRT pack that drops into SEF and NAVY housings. I hope it works well, and is reliable and robust to trigger finger pressure etc. >>64589881>A design flawI've thought about this a fair bit, and worked on several FRT/SS mechanisms. It is physically intrinsic to the design that some amount of the action energy must be used to overcome the operator's trigger finger pressure. Until a separate energy source like a fucking battery or some hilarious shit is used, no matter what combination of levers or cams or gears or gizmos are utilized, action energy must be piped off to overcome the operator's trigger finger pressure. Because the operator's trigger finger pressure can vary, this means that the amount of action energy which is removed from the reciprocating cycle can vary. Any action which has a ROF which depends on the amount of action energy, will then have a ROF variation depending on the operator applied force. Sure with the right gearing/leverage or other mechanical advantage we could potentially design a mechanism which operates nearly independently of trigger finger pressure, but then the components making up the mechanism need to be robust enough to reliably (in terms of longevity) transfer the force from the action to the operator trigger finger. Also we need a cartridge and system which has much larger energy and force available to it as compared to the maximum force the operator might be able to apply. What I'm getting at is that there is no magic switch to flip that just gets rid of the physics I'm describing. At the heart of it, all FRT/SS mechanisms have an interaction between the operator applied trigger finger pressure, and the system energy.
>>64589886>literally fast semi auto. Why is that?Nta, but fast semi auto is perfectly lawful in the USA. Where are you that fasr seemi auto is illegal?
>>64589900Peak setup.
>>64589904> Where are you that fasr seemi auto is illegal?What are you talking about? I never said fast semi auto is illegal.
>>64589921Then what are you bitching about?
>>64589881>>64589881>doesn't REQUIRE that to functionIf you weld the trigger to the rear, the FRT/SS mechanism will not function. Something will break, or the firearm simply won't cycle. Therefore, there is obviously some upper limit on the amount of trigger finger pressure. It is a requirement for the function of an FRT/SS system that the applied trigger finger pressure is less than this upper limit. Machine guns do not function in this way, at all. >A machine gun needs no sear at all>pull back, and let her rip to prove thisDumb literal no true scotsman fallacy. At that point you don't have a "firearm" really at all, nevertheless a machine gun, when you can't stop it from cycling by way of operator input. This is like claiming that an electric vehicle is the same as a gas vehicle because if you take the brakes out of both they both don't stop? Nonsense. >>64589881>So you admitNo he is butchering his words. You cannot "continuously pull the trigger" and get function from an FRT/SS system, the trigger must reset, which means that the work done by your trigger finger on the trigger literally must change sign. It physically is different. Very much so. >your governmentOh you're literally not American. Get fucked and fuck off. >>64589884>semantical difference onlyJesus fucking christ people look at some diagrams and open the fucking things up. Mechanically, physically, FRT/SS are TOTALLY different from real machine guns. Also why the fuck is this even a conversation except for cuck faggot bitchmade mental gymnasts who want to sour grape their poverty inspired decision to not buy an FRT/SS because they've convinced themselves they're going to get banned because they are le machine gun!>>64589886Because he's either a troll, or a retard. >>64589911>Peaktyvm love it much. I put like 5500 rounds through the MAC-5K MP5K then it broke, so I fixed it then sold it and bought an MKE AP5-P and have somewhere north of 1000rnds through that. love em simple as
>>64589927Are you retarded?
>>64589881>no change in user input to function=fully automaticnot really. You are pulling the trigger for each shot fired. If you pull too hard you'll stop the reset. You are activating a semi auto trigger for each semi auto function of the trigger for each shot fired. The legal definition of a machine gun doesn't apply. Too bad so sad, Mr. Government.>>64589884>semantical differenceit can seem that way but there is an important difference nonetheless
>>64589928>Jesus fucking christ people look at some diagrams and open the fucking things up.No one is going to do that or do they need to. The FUNCTIONAL result is what people will see and be triggered be. Lol, see what I did there? The mommies and senators and gun grabbers will SEE the function and never have to or hae desire to "look at a diagram". Ffs, are you retarded that isn't obvious?
>>64589993>it can seem that way but there is an important difference nonethelessAgreed. Laws are all semantics. It was John Adams, who famously stated, "let us be a government of laws, and not of men". Without the subtle nuances of the NRA and "bannable features" in the AWB, the precious "AR culture" in America would be dead, dead, dead.
>>64590078mommies and senators also didnt like bump stocks, and banned them. Now theyre legal again. Doesn't matter. FRT does not equal machine gun. TRVKE
>>64590098>mommies and senators also didnt like bump stocks, and banned them. Now theyre legal again. Doesn't matter. FRT does not equal machine gun. TRVKEFine by me. How many years did that take? And it wasn't mommies and senators who banned bump stocks, it was the stroke of a pen. You know that.
>>64589900Overcoming finger pressure, and the fact that you can bind it up, is what makes it legal. Once you design a system that doesn't have to overcome finger pressure you've just created a needlessly complex machine gun. The only refinement I see is making FRTs more robust, what stops me from using them on a duty rifle is the potential for breakage and induced malfunctions. I worry that some kind of clutch may be the only way to fix that, and that would be finnicky in it's own way.
>>64590152>what stops me from using them on a duty rifleSurely the Department policy has something to do with that.
>>64590105took a few years
>>64590152>Overcoming finger pressure, and the fact that you can bind it up, is what makes it legalI agree that the fact that the action must overcome trigger finger pressure is indeed part of what in effect makes FRT and SS legal. I disagree that necessarily the mechanism must be able to be bound up (presumably you meant by finger pressure) is also what makes it legal. I agree that the ability to be bound up SOMEHOW is part of what makes FRT and SS legal but I disagree with what I take to be your implied assertion that it must be able to be bound up by hand in order to be legal. >duty rifleI think we're getting close. I've got 1400 rounds on my Arc-fire with PLENTY of STRONG trigger finger pressure, and only ONE single malfunction, with no signs of wear or breakage. If that reliability and durability projects outwards say, 10k rounds, 30k rounds, 60/90k rounds, then we have a legit duty ready mechanism. >clutchI'm hoping this isn't necessary. I don't think it is. I think there is leverage and mechanical advantage enough based designs with existing operating system energies to reliably defeat even the strongest of trigger fingers, under stress, and reliably for many many (10k, 30k, 60/90k) rounds.
>>64590497It gets harder to argue that every shot is an independant action of the trigger when pinning the trigger to the rear doesn't result in only one shot. At that point whatever mechanical wizardy is going on in the trigger group to allow continuous fire is essentially an overly conplex autosear, I wouldn't mind being proven wrong though. As for the clutch, I wasn't thinking about mechanical advantage systems, something like a torque wrench mechanism would work fine.
why are you guys even replying to that noguns troll?
Looks like asdesigns sells precut geissele triggers nowhttps://activesafetydesigns.com/geissele/
>>64590893>SSA>SSA E>SSA X>SSA E XWhy is Geissele like this
>>64590893some triggers even have hammer rounding options, pretty sweet
>>64589041Its ridiculous there's 5+ SS compatible after market triggers that don't require shoes or lever blocker BS and all these faggots want le giessele overpriced crap
>>64591051name one ss compatible trigger that's 2 stage that doesnt require the lever blocker
>>64590397And was it work the wait? Bump stocks are a plastic covered dead end.
>>64590777You're describing a single function of the shooters trigger finger, not a single function of the trigger
>>64591524The thing you act on is the trigger. If you put a drill on an otherwise legal crank trigger, congratulations, you've made a machine gun.
No FRT for this. A crime.
>>64591747Just convert it, fuck the police.
>>64591793Fartsausage is a law abiding general, ma'am.
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>>64591793Love my dog too much. :(
>>64592214It's overblown, I've had unregistered title 2 firearms seized from me twice (including MGs). Both times they declined to prosecute when there was no other crime. They just have you sign a form that you're surrendering them and not contesting the legality of you owning them. As a side note, if you're going to do illegal shit, don't be married or have a live in girlfriend.
>>64592358Curious to hear more, but If I had that on my record my employment would be terminated immediately and the job I'm applying to (and want to make a career of) would almost certainly reject me. Need to keep a squeaky clean record and not give in to the temptations of the fedposting.
>>64592412Nothing much to tell, I shut down an 07/02 and kept some of the stuff I made off the books. Wife got cunty, made a false DV claim and told them where I kept my guns. I beat the charge, I agreed to title 2 stuff being destroyed in lieu of fighting the charge. Judge refused to return the rest to me so I told that asshole it didn't matter because I can make my own anyway. Fast forward a few years and I had built a few more firearms, mostly title 2. Caught my girlfriend fucking around and kicked her ass out, she dropped the dime and I was raided. ATF offered the same deal for the title 2 stuff and I had to fight the charge of being a prohibited person, which I won. All in all probably $30k in lawyer fees and another $30k in firearms. After winning my second case I did end up getting my initial guns back as well, some were pretty rusty but otherwise just looked like they had been living in an evidence room for 15 years. Optics still attached and everything. Another funny fact is that I got to remove all non-firearm parts from the title 2 before destruction, the first time they even let me strip the guns down to the receiver, second time they limited me to accessories.
>>64592468Bro jacking off and passing out is SO much cheaper and safer than modern women.
>>64592529Jacking off is inherently homosexual.
>>64592468>>64592529bro forgot to bury everything in an watertight plastic tube and tell NOBODY.one guy i worked with knew a guy who got snitched on by his girlfriend. he was making suppressors. >womenglad you're not in prison at least. i hate the NFA like you wouldn't believe
For me, I play it double safe. I have never have sex and I follow all the laws and regulations (:
if you're in a position in which the cops are looking for mgs or specific shit on your gun like unregistered sbrs, you're already fucked
>>64592529I prefer asian massage parlors myself, ironically that's more likely to make me a felon.
>>64578739Retard
Any of you scholars know why I keep seeing revolver shotgun bans in state law?
>>64592468Rip in piss bro, should've picked better dames>t. divorced
>>64591429who cares, you can at least buy them again
>>64592945Street sweeper, one it turned out that banning shit by name just lead to a new name, jews banned revolving shotgus completely.
>>64592209Waay too expensive, for what it is.
>>64593099>dead end plastic>woohoo buy moreLoser.
>>64592657Fellow Texas monger
states are all starting to ban these things...
>>64594036It was only a morltter of time. They will NOT be grandfathered.
>>64594047starting to think it would be unwise to purchase one of these things
>>64594053Probably not. But you can't shooting it in public without risk or being challenged for papwerwork. That said, I have never been asked for my lawful paperwork, but I don't shoot at public ranges.
>>64594036https://dojmt.gov/attorney-general-knudsen-leads-28-state-effort-against-overreaching-firearms-classification/No gun bans on Montana. Our AG is unfathomably based on the topic of firearms.
>>64594075the only ranges near me are outdoor ranges ran by boomers and they don't even allow braced ar pistols or rapid fire so....
>>64594140So you can shoot on public land? (BLM, NF, State)
>>64594134Great stuff!
>>64594140What state do you live in?
>>64594169GA
>>64594164MT is really a great state. We have almost no firearms regulations besides the federal stuff (there's some CCL licensing, but it's not terrible).>>64594172There's some Forest Service land which USFS traditionally allows people to shoot on. Sometimes Fish and Wildlife will also set up public ranges on their land.
>>64594245PA needs to make a new national forest in the east over by Wilkesbarre so people can go shoot there on public land.
>>64582305>le companies make... LE PROFIT?!?!
when are ammo prices going down?
>>64593962Yeah. Was just making fun of its name. I still want one eventually
>>64593967i have no idea what youre even arguing about anymore lol bump stocks were banned and now theyre not. FRTs were banned and now theyre not, what's the problem gaylord
>>64594386they havent really shot up at least from what i've looked at. Typical AK ammo is fucking retarded though lmao
>>64594461>i have no idea what youre even arguing about anymoreI DONT NEED A REASON MOTHERFUCKER!
>>64580850The GS trigger, I can try the AS trigger if I dig out one of my milspec hammers
>>64594386Inflation >Inflation Inflation >Inflation Inflation
>>64594582I'm hoping when the slavics are done mucking about we can start to see cheap imports again. I hope we start to work with Russia again importing guns and ammo but even if that doesn't happen Ukraine makes some guns and ammo that we should easily be able to import in and they should give us great prices.
>>64594716>we can start to see cheap imports againThat ship has long sailed.
>>64594732Can we at least get cheap 7.62x39 back? The war ends they restock pile their reserves and go back to selling it to us. They all need the money Ukraine is already partnered with us, why not? To be honest I don't need their guns we have better alternatives anyways.
>>64594732Not if the Russian government collapses
>>64595022It's cute that you think US politicians will allow us to ever import Russian ammo again.
>>64591061>2 StageAre you fucking serious?Why do you even want to be ripping off bursts with a 2 stage?
>>64595065I want a two stage for more precision and ARC/FRT mode for mag dump modeI feel like this is pretty reasonable scenario
>>64595104I never got the 2 stage for precision hype. Having a smooth, clean, predictable break has always been plenty for hunting to target shooting. Maybe it makes a difference in long distance precision competition, but it's not a game changer in the effective range of an assault rifle. Geiselle was always popular because of super fast resets, which FRT negates.
>>64595189>which FRT negatesHe probably wants the 2 stage for the semi auto aspect and not the full semi auto.
>>64595104You are just going to hamper your ability to control bursts/strings effectively because you have take up in the way for marginally and subjectively better semi performance and the point is fucking why? An SPR build? You should have the outright expectation that going FRT/SS means you sacrifice some trigger performance in semi primarily but not exclusively for safety.There's so many good single stage options and if it is a SPR/HBAR build where you're already off a bipod anyway you can have your cake (accuracy) and eat too (ability to suppress/let it rip) why compromise putting out good consistent bursts with the increased mechanical complexity and added (expendable) doodads a 2 stage geissele requires?IMO get over itIt's like AUG guys complaining about wanting a progressive FRT and lamenting drilling into their plastic stock when #notallAUG's in F/A have progressive triggers in the first place
>>645951972 stage will negatively impact FRT performance. No more clean controlled bursts, it will be sloppy and it will be unsafe and/or unreliablePredictability, mechanical reliability and safety trump autitistic faggot trigger snobbery. Stick with conventional semi auto
>>64595267>>64595279I see what you guys mean, I have a different build with a 2 stage geissele and I have no issues at all, none of the issues you guys are describingI do have one question though, if what you say is true, what do you think about the existence of select fire geissele triggers that are actually designed for full auto?Just one examplehttps://geissele.com/super-select-fire-sopmod-ssfr-hk416-trigger.html
While I'm sure it's making them decent money selling cut triggers (IMO there needs to be a $100 upcharge minimum)the focus on adapting all this shit for giessele triggers is slowing FRT innovation.Most of the motherfuckers who are having major issues with FRT/SS are Giessele insisting faggots like shut the fuck up there are boat loads of platforms that still need FRT's and there are ones that exist (ASD G3/HK91) that should be being produced but aren't because Giessele insistent faggotry
>>64595290Giessele only sells their full auto triggers to mil/leo/SOT's and it's still a single stage ~5.5lb - 6lb trigger (it's just criiiisssssppppp) as that's as low as SOCOM was willing to go
>>64595304I dont think there are any projects that are paused or slowed down due to giessele compatibility. Also regarding cutting triggers, I think we can walk and chew gum at the same time
>>64595322The point is catering to the Geissele insistent needs to be a tertiary concern of the lowest priority order, not a secondary one as soon as a new FRT drops
>>64595320it says 2 stage on the page therehere is another examplehttps://geissele.com/super-select-fire-sopmod-ssfr-trigger.htmlMy point was that if rapid fire was an issue with 2 stage, I feel like giessele wouldnt market or develop it
>>64595332I get that, what I'm saying is that it is tertiary. Not many platforms even support ar controls let alone geissele triggers. There's AR based platforms, MCX and MP5
>>64595334Pulled directly from your link:"In semi-automatic mode, the SSF is a precision two-stage trigger that allows precise and accurate trigger control. In fully-automatic mode, the SSF is a single-stage trigger with a smooth, continuous trigger pull and abrupt hammer release."As soon as it's in F/A it reverts to single stage - apparently SOCOM and Giessele knew 2 stage F/A was a non starter, FRT/SS is no exception.Go ask Giessele to make one for FRT/SS
>>64595369Ah okay, I understand what you mean now.Thanks for the clarification, honestly something I didnt consider.What single stage triggers do you recommend with the ARC?
>>64595342ASD is out there cutting Giessele triggers for faggots when I should have the G3 lower and trip in my hands already, it's been almost a year since they revealed FIRING super safe G3's and 7+ months since Stribog and here we are still waiting.Time effort and labor is being wasted on Giessele faggotry and I cannot be convinced otherwise
>>64595377I recommend you shoot it as is in FRT mode and semi before you decide desu. Get comfortable with FRT first, put down consistent bursts, get recoil control in order, then decide. IMO stock ARCfire is a bit better than mil spec
>>64595104>pretty reasonable scenarioLol.
>>64595408gotcha thanks>>64595467hay man, dont be a meanie
>>64595197My point is that you can stone and polish a milspec trigger and have a SA function that is more than good enough for hunting and target shooting. 2 stage for precision is pretty much a meme for a round with an effective range of 600 yds at the high end.
New ps90 frt, coming early 2026https://fnspecialties.com/frt90/?searchid=66316&search_query=frtI'm more interested in this rather than the duality arms FRT, their release was pretty shoddy
>>64596171>>64595197>>64595386>>64595369>>64595322>>64595279Fuck all the Gayslee cucks. 1. There are tons of no shoot reddit chuds and brownoids who have not bought FRT or SS because they're waiting on gayslee compatibility. Just troll through youtube, facebook, IG comments, or even here, and you see PLENTY of idiots explicitly saying as such. 2. A two stage trigger is likely to make the FRT SS mode rather odd. Depending on whether or not the FRT SS mechanism needs to reset all the way to the start of the 1st stage, you're liable to end up with a lot more reset distance, and a lot more of a "chattering" feel on the trigger. 3. The super select fire gets around this because it is meant for true machine guns with auto sears, so the FA action is working off of the auto sear while the semi action is working off of the main sear. FRT SS cannot be made to work in this way without a ton more needlessly complex engineering because in FRT SS mode the sear which is being "worked" necessarily has to be the same as in semi mode because a we all hopefully understand at this point, FRT SS in FRT SS mode are literally just operating in semi auto mode by with the reset mechanically actuated by the action. 4. The notion of needing a precision 2 stage for a fucking 5.56 GPR that you're also hoping to have "auto" FRT SS in is dumb and I agree entirely with anon. Wind and just general shooter error is absolutely going to be the leading source of imprecision before the le crisp candy cane gayslee break helps at all. Does it make it easier to take good clean shots? Absolutely, but this isn't a precision gun, that is why you're putting an FRT SS in it in the first place.Look don't get me wrong, I would love to have a nice two stage FRT SS, but I absolutely will and have not been waiting on one to get into FRT SS, and no one else should be, because they're shooting themselves in the foot, withholding capital from the very companies that would eventually make the product.
>>64598679Geissele as a company should adapt to this demand not the other way around, of course they are waaaay too pussy and boomer ran to put out an FRT when it could compromise their juicy SOCOM contracts.
>>64598679> my simulated MG needs a 3.5lb gaysleeMaybe it would be better if these people were kept waiting en Perpetuo or go bother Geissele itself while the men FRT everything twice over - theyll probably shoot themselves. I cannot excentuate how harmful to proliferation this insistemce on gayslee is - not because they aren't buying, but because resources and development time is being diverted without a ridiculous upcharge when it should be "here's a $50 3d printed jig cut it yourself or pony up $700 dollars for our cut and refinished/treated one"Thr demand should flat out not be met PERIOD, every single faggot with problems is running a fucking cut gayslee and these faggots are demanding compatibility with non-AR platforms converted to take AR components to run FRT like HK, Stribog/Kuna, SCAR, it's fucking DISGUSTING
>>64598773>every single faggot with problems is running a fucking cut gayslee and these faggots are demanding compatibility with non-AR platforms converted to take AR components to run FRT like HK, Stribog/Kuna, SCAR, it's fucking DISGUSTINGkek based and true as fuck. Like zomg I hate FRT SS because I can't get it to work with the gayslee in my converted lower KUNA, now I badmouth FRT SS and this scares other normies away
>>64598899Faggots were doing it when the ARC first dropped - "yeah let me chuck the precisely cut better than milspec trigger included with the ARC so I can niggerrig a Giessele into it" and then they bitch and fucking moan publicly when it doesn't work without even running it stock as designed.It's not worth the trouble catering to these fucking faggots yet ASDesigns and others see dollar signs but it just isn't worth it.Somebody needs to tell them to fuck off and die already there's like 300 different trigger manufacturers on the market
>>64598899IMHO we need Hoffman, #Si3gue and ASDesigns to just come out and say it "Giessele cut triggersnegatively impact reliability- here are some approved models which don't require lever blockers and rubber spacers and fun like clockwork - we no longer advise using Giessele products in ARC/SS due to large amounts of reliability issues"
Do you gues think shotshow will have FRT vendors? Maybe for new platforms?
>>64599149People who are too dumb to tinker with their triggers to get frts to run smoothly are also too dumb to understand why the frt/ss manufacturers shouldn't bother with geiselle compatability. This whole debate blows my mind, I never knew there were so many people drippong $300 2 stage triggers into their PSA garbage rods.
>>64599169>b FRT vendor>2026 shot show display>shoot self in foot with forced resetJust keep a low pro and sell to those who know.
>>64599872>blows my mindPredictable. Non shooters can be the worst trigger snobs. People who shoot, just use the trigger. Yes, a nice trigger is nice. But any trigger will shoot microwave ovens at the dump. The first this trigger snobs say is>feel my trigger
>>64600082You can be a trigger snob all you want, in a semi only gun. Once we start venturing into real F/A and simulated FRT/SS there are other concerns - safety and control being of PARAMOUNT importance and these fucking mongoloids are too stupid to get it - you don't want 3.5lbs separating you from a unintentional 8-12 round burst esp. in any kind of kinetic environment like CQB/MOUT and Trench clearing where you'll be bumping into shit and leaving the weapon OFF safe while moving.You don't want a 2 stage fucking with your ability to control bursts and you DO NOT want to be stacking on the first stage like you would with a semi, thats a recipe for disaster full stop and we have brain dead morons in this thread who just....don't.....get it.You can get a crisp, clean break, in a single stage trigger 5lbs or heavier trying to min-max this trigger shit is a recipe for disaster - you will either cut off a body part with bullets or kill yourself with simulated automatic fire - or god forbid send rounds to the next zip code over ignoring range limits - killing a kid and his dog because you can't control your bursts and your recoil control is dogshit because you've only ever shot semi and quite frankly you should have a 7lbs trigger.Anything under 5lbs in FRT/SS is dangerous and unsafe.Giessele faggotry in fartsausage will not be tolerated - keep that shit on YouTube and barfcom, stop fucking complaining that nigger rigged giessele abominations don't work and blaming it on the FRT/SS/ARC, stop recommending Giessele cuts, and stop linking precuts go the FUCK back to /ARG/ and stay go you self defeating fucking faggots
>>64588417Drilling is necessary if you want to switch from semi to FRT. You aren't getting past drilling the stock for a selector until someone gets their hands on a Irish/Aussie AUG lockout/interrupter trigger + parts and adapts it to 3d printing and FRT use.The safety can't be used as a selector either it merely stops physical trigger and trigger bar movement it does nothing with the trigger pack
>>64599872Exactly, the same population of retards which shell out $200-$300 for a fucking gayslee trigger for the G$ flex or whatever faggot shit they parrot, are invariably mechanically inept and are unable to understand why fundamentally a super light crisp 2 stage semi auto trigger is not going to work well with an FRT.
>>64601714You got faggots on bARFcom claiming switching to Giessele increases the durability of parts of the ARC to a 20k+ round service life because it makes the completed assembly wider!!!- meanwhile virtually everybody having issues there is because Giessele
Works on my gun, why are you people so bad at this?
>>64578544>>Rarebreed at Cancon 2025 soft launch a drop in FRT trigger pack for factory SEF and NAVY roller delay housings (MP5, G3, etc.)Check me. Get this housing, cheap: https://www.aeonfawkes.com/HK-Heckler-Koch-G3-Navy-Trigger-Housing-Stripped-p/hk-heckler---koch-g3-navy-tri_.htmAdd Rarebreeed drop-in trigger pack, swap to JLD91, swap to training bolt and smurf ammo, now full-semi at pennies per rnd, profit.
>>64604527smurf ammo?
>>64604527There's absolutely no confirmation from Rare Breed that their trigger will work out of the box with the G3 (or HK33). Considering actual HK F/A packs need the hammer to be changed to switch between MP5/HK33/G3.And that's not even counting the reset lever that would be present on a FRT - it will be a situation where a new lever + hammer could be needed, perhaps with an added trip.IMO the ASDesigns ARMP5 is more matured and is soon to be AP53/HK33 compatible pending the release of the trip
>>64605709He's referring to the German blue wooden projectile training ammo - it's cheap but it has gotten increasingly harder to find and the training bolt even more so except it's gotten expensive
>>64603674What works?
>>64605709A colloquial expression.>>64606660>blue wooden projectile training ammoCorrect. But plastic, not wooden. Oddly, I will occasionally get doubles when converted to it.
Okay the bite started itching again. After blowing probably close to $750 on 7.62x39 trying to get the AK three position to work FRT SS, I found some guy on reddit talking about how his three position was working well, even with HEAVY trigger finger, using an ALG AKT fire control group. The first and most successful AK FRT SS setup I've gotten to work was the one using an ALG AKT. Over 2000 rounds so far on those components, trip bar, cam, trigger, hammer etc, and VERY few using assuming enough gas, mass, ass, and sproing, and I have absolutely been unable to lock that system up or induce malfunctions with heavy trigger finger pressure. Per usual being a cheap jew only punishes yourself because in an attempt to avoid potentially destroying/ruining a ~$60-$100 ALG AKT trigger, I kept trying to get a mil spec surplus AKM FCG to work three position, and the results have been consistently poor to the tune of ~$750 in ammo. Taking the redditor's advice I tried fucking with the ALG AKT three position setup in the garage last night, just hand function checks and inspecting the mechanism action... And it seems promising. The issue with binding should be entirely eliminated, and the single stage will be that of the much improved ALG>>64606655>more maturedSure in the sense that it is already out and available and leverages existing AR FCGs and associated FRT SS designs, BUT it is gay and lame and ugly because it ruins the aesthetic of El CLASSICO roller gun trigger pack housing. Like sure maybe functionally it is even superior, but IMO there is a huge market, myself included, of people who are demanding a FRT/SS system which retains the factory style safety levers and trigger pack housing of original roller guns. >>64604527Anxiously awaiting updated improved mil spec style grooved Arc-fire levers with full length right side lever, AND the raregreed (or anyone else idc) drop in FRT SS roller gun trigger park. Please please I hope it has OG style safety levers.
>>64607027>Anxiously awaitingJust link it.>>64606660>harder to find
Interesting in some of the ar9 FRT stuff. Any bolt or full upper suggestions for the Colt mag lowers? It seems a lot of stuff out there only wants to deal with Glock mags as opposed to the colt
>>64595369>>64595334completely pointless argument since you barely go back past the second stage in super-safe mode.It feels like nothing but a wiggle of the trigger on my SSA/ARC-FIRE combo.IF WGWS is saying something is stupid and you agree with him, really re-think your position. That fuckwit has been on here with almost every take being full on retard since before covid.
>>64609170ADM Upper&Lower14.5 Noveske Afghan Barrel w/P&W socom break5.56 SOCOM MINI IIAdams Arms P-series piston set to 32% gas w/ lightweight Nickle Boron Bolt carrierGeissele super 42 H3 buffer system.Geissele SSA trigger w/ super safety cutAS Designs ARC-fireCurrently about 11 and a half mags of federal 55gr and 1.5 mags of sig 77gr otm through it and zero failures.both half mag was because I spent 15 rounds confirming zero on my MAWL, Razor Gen 3 and RMRHDOnly shit thing with the arc is the ambi lever is friction locked by the screw and the paddles should be thicker and have serrations like FCD's safety design.So 390 rounds out of the box.
>>64607027what trigger were you using before the alg?
No dice on the three position using the ALG AKT. I ended up taking off too much material from the trigger bar and the result is that the amplitude of reset is too small to successfully hook the hammer on the primary trigger hook, so you just get hammer follow in FRT/SS mode. Curiously enough, in semi mode, when you rack the gun violently full force it actually doesn't catch on the semi auto disconnector either, which is curious and makes no sense, because it indicates a failure at some level for the semi auto disconnector to even grab the hammer, which ought not be the result of the forced reset magnitude being too large, because as I said the forced reset magnitude isn't even large enough to reliably catch the hammer on the main trigger hook, which should be an amount of forced reset magnitude LESS than the amount required to unhook the hammer off of the disconnector. So not sure what is up with that? Also of course I forgot to shut the gas off on my Argon tank, so I was out of gas for welding. Going to get more gas this week, add some material to the ALG AKT trigger bar, and try again. In other AK FRT dev new, my friend's M72 RPK is getting closer. We discovered the other week that a fully functioning retainer plate is critical. In order to clear the installation of the full auto safety selector AFTER the trigger and disconnector and trigger pin are fully installed, we cut off the upper section of the retainer plate which interacts with the safety selector. The result though was that the retainer plate would rotate upwards during firing, and the trigger pin would walk. The solution we worked yesterday was the lop off the section of the safety selector which interacts with the full auto disconnector, allowing it to be installed POST installation of the trigger, disco, trigger pin. Issue now though is the safety selector is walking to the semi pos during fire>>64609952The previous attempts at getting a three position to work were with a mil spec surplus FCG.
Super safety sisters, thoughts on bronze super safeties?https://www.bssquirts.store/product/bronze-3-pos-ss/
>>64609170I don't agree with WGWS on most shit, except Giessele faggotry ruining the FRT space.Stop pushing your candy cane trigger bullshit on this space, whether your shit works or not, practically everyone new who ventures into FRT in having major issues with Giessele cuts
Why not just use the ALG ACT? It's a pretty good trigger, feels basically like a somewhat longer, heavier version of the Super 3 Gun (actually probably what you want on a duty gun). Or like you got super lucky with a regular ass milspec trigger. Which is the whole point of it. Geometry is the same as the milspec, should work with anything.
>>64611732I make them with Taulman Alloy 910 myself. Seems to last a pretty long time.
>>64611511nice, I'm working with the fime trigger, hopefully that works out
>>64612595Not the guys you're probably replying to, but I did get a ALG ACT and will be working with it soon
>>64612606>I make themSource?
>>64612740Anonymous
>>64612740Er, it's linked in the OP. https://hoffmantactical.com/designs/super-safety/You do realize these were printed things before anyone made metal ones right?
>>64611732Would this be easier on your BCG than steel?
Frts are illegal just so you guys know.
>>64617420:0
After obnoxiously bugging ASD about upgraded improoved mil-spec style safety levers for the Arc-fire for a couple weeks now, they recently expressed that they are indeed working on it.
>>64612793>were printed things before anyone made metal ones right?3d printing wax casting for molds is underrated.
>>64612790>noodlie armsShakin' bro. Don't be so threatening on the internet.
>>64618736dope
yeah
>>64618736I hope you can just buy and swap selectors instead of buying an entire unit
>>64618736Wait, what is that top weapon? What is that handguard?
>>64622886pri handguard
