Why is face culture so prevalent in /k/?

>>64622185
What matters more, national pride or military capability?
Using an existing design is a massive cost saving so long as you don't change it too much.

>>64622190
You are projecting, trolling and not answering the question at the same time. Get out.

>>64622195
+200 Izzat

>>64622194
Yes but isnt designing a huge undertake that requires specialized people and thus fuels an economy on its own? Also you could sell your designs, just like the germans did in this case. I say it's wasted potential.

>>64622200
A good design program will only cost a few tens of millions, nothing to a western economy.
As for building your own engineering talent it's a capability best grown slowly because if you throw them in the deep end with no major project experience you end up with an expensive clusterfuck and a defence capability gap.

>>64622185
>secular industry
as opposed to religious industry?

>>64622206
OP is an ESL.

>>64622203
A fighter aircraft requires like 30-50 billions in R&D only, a modern submarine shouldn't be that far off. A few millions for the blueprints themselves, perhaps.

>>64622185
>The final programme started in 1994 as the navies of Germany and Italy began working together to design a new conventional submarine, respectively to operate in the shallow and confined waters of the Baltic Sea and in the deeper waters of the Mediterranean Sea.
Fincantieri builds those for the italian navy, the same company that built italy's previous submarines.
There is no reason for Italy to go solo at this and design a whole new type just because.

>>64622227
Well the french do it, and they have the biggest defense industry in europe

>>64622185
>national pride
No such thing

>>64622244
You said that but then you sperg whenever the DoD chooses foreign designs for their procurement.

There are answers in this thread, OP, but you're just trolling, not asking in good faith
e.g
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>>64599449

>>64622239
Yes well I'd argue the french aren't really known for making reasonable decisions.

>>64622255
They're different topics and only marginally related to op. You're the one shilling your own posts, faggot

>>64622257
It's geopolitics. Italy and france are allies in name only, they compete in a lot of sectors and having a somewhat self sufficient defense industry gives france an edge when it comes to soft power and decision making in bruxelles.

>>64622239
The French do it because they're building submarines with nuclear reactors and ballistic missiles. If they need to build a conventional diesel-electric submarine they'll just use modify the nuclear sub design and use the same shipyards already tooled for them.
>>64622257
>unreasonable
Only when they have to work with the Germans

>>64622262
> shilling
after you, faggot. The fuck is 'marginally related' when it has everything to do with the thing retarded OP are slide-posting ?
Also, you seem awfully defensive for someone not supposedly related to OP, or it's so hard to actually see the similarity with all that dick of OP in ur mouth ?

>>64622268
Hardly. They don't build SSNs every day.

>>64622273
I'm talking about italian procurement you dumb nigger, i don't care for your autistic ramblings on the engine's performance for the german variant, so fuck off and face the ceiling.

>>64622268
>Only when they have to work with the Germans
Pretty sure others had similar issues eorh them but that's a moot point.
It is a functional joint venture between krauts and pasta and the exact reason why the Italians are using the same sub as the germs.

>>64622274
they're building three (technically four) rihjy mow tho?

>>64622276
>talking about italian procurement
>literally mentioned german design being used in the original post
What's wrong ? Your subhuman brain is so smooth a fucking cow would seems like a genius next to you ?
How about you laying off your digusting, filthy subhuman behavior of gooning to 2d girl in your shit-eating whore of a mother basement first ? Maybe then, you might actually develop a brain cell or two and stop flooding this board with subhuman, shit-for-brain low quality slide thread like this ?

>>64622185
>blow to national pride
I’m certain the Italians currently building frigates and aircraft carriers can survive buying a submarine design from the Krauts.

>>64622185
Aging nations like Italy desperately need immigration from India and developing economies to ensure their critical infrastructure and industries remain productive and innovative, skilled immigrants across qualification levels guarantee that Italy will always remain ahead of the curve, it's why nationalism and anti-immigrant sentiment is counteractive to EU's economic and social security, the values are threatened by Russian and other hostile actors backing these "nationalist" political organizations.

>>64622448
we don't want your sad cow shit eating chinless excuses for a "human" anywhere near our continent jeet

>>64622408
The point is that a nation that pioneered submarine warfare alongside frogmen and manned torpedoes should prioritize the development of said branch of the navy over, say, ground forces vehicles like tanks or IFVs. The fact that they don't and instead decided to fund domestic projects which they hardly have any experience about (like the ariete tank) befuddles me

>>64622497
because what you started isn't always what you are good at.
just look at the bongs, they invented modern dentistry

>>64622497
Most of Italy's smaller naval builders are developing mostly midget subs, SDVs and UUVs.

>>64622497
A nation can do more than one thing at once and the people designing and building tanks are not the same people designing and building ships
Not in all fairness the Ariete tank was a bit of a shitshow, but the impact on the naval procurement and development was minimal at worst..

>>64622239
>Well the french do it

And their shit is subpar as a result. The rafale's often mocked M88 engines being the worst 4th gen engine for example is a clear demonstration what happens if you prioritize national procurement over everything else.
A Temu J-10C flown my mudslimes fuckes you effortlessly 5:0 that's what happens.

>and they have the biggest defense industry in europe

Not because their shit is good. But because they're quite ruthless and ignorant when it comes to sales.
The french will happily sell to various NATO adversaries, french exocet have struck british ships, french mirage are the plane of choice of various banana republics with tinpot dictators.
The french will sell to ANYONE.
Ontop of that the french understand the need to grease the wheels and are adapt at bribing who needs bribing to make the deal happen, which, after geopolitics is the deciding factor in sales.
Performance of systems is often not even a factor at all as long as some very low baseline is met.
Being the best option on the market is not really a big selling factor.
That only works for relatively small cheap deals, like the handful of leopards germany sold to 30+ countries because a few tanks is below the geopolitics bribery thresholds. Germany could never sell a jet fighter to anyone even if it could teleport and had quantum warheads.

>>64626376
>sell to various NATO adversaries
how the fuck was Argentina a NATO adversary?
if they where nearly as cutthroat as you claim them to be they'd have supplied the argies with enough of them to sink every last boat down to the life rafts with them
instead they cut delivers the moment the argies invaded
you are a damned liar and even worse a bad one