Shooting EditionGuide: https://files.catbox.moe/9g5sv2.pdfPastebin: https://pastebin.com/gs6mLNikThread prompt: How often do you shoot and which drills do you do?Previous: >>64721736
Considering a Glock 17, which gen should I get? Looking at the 4.
What sort of pistol and ammunition does DHS issue to ICE? Perhaps Federal HST [124gr, 9x19] loaded in Gen5 Glock 17's
>>64734030Doesn't matter when it pops a person's melon. Though aren't Gold Dots the most common LE ammo?
>>64734027No reason not to get 6 or maybe 5 if you're wary of new launches or want a dual recoil spring.
>>64734027Gen5 for the optic cut. The Gen6 is not a real Glock 17 so choose that if the Glock 47 entices you>>64734040But it does matter when the perpetrator is behind automotive glass>Gold DotsMay well be since those are both prolific and have bonded cores for theoretical superiority to Federal HST in terms of penetration
More and more convinced the easiest way to tell whether or not someone has any idea what they're talking about with shooting is to simply ask:>Do you own a shot timer?If the answer is "no," you can immediately classify any opinion they have as a casual one unsuited to defense or competition.
>>6473409817.6 isn't a 47 either. I've heard multiple people say the recoil impulse is softer/slower in comparison b/c of the recoil spring change and to go with the 45 if you're chasing 47.5 feel.
>>64734105Usually yes.
>>64734098Not interested in the G47 or optics>>64734068 Gen5 was also what I was considering, but I kind of like the aesthetic of the finger grooves. Its just going to be a range toy.
>>64734030Impossible to know the load for sure without more info, in general FLEAs "issue" at least two similar loads for a given handgun caliber from different manufacturers to help avoid shortages. Gold dot or critical duty(124gr/135gr +p) and a bonded 124gr +p winchester load tends to be the most common combo I've seen. I think HST tends to get left out because ATK owns both speer and federal IIRC, guess they want the diversity and prefer the gold dots over the HST.
>>64734040Globally and in terms of amount issued gold dot is definitely the winner. They have a fair number of major international contracts along with NY and CHI issuing them for decades at this point. If you're talking in terms of number of departments issuing in the US then it's probably closer than you'd think between gold dot, HST, and critical duty but that's just a gut feeling based on limited info.
>>64734151I thought the finger grooves fit my hand well and helped me for years with my 34.3. Now with gen5s I hate finger grooves. Even if they fit your hand they're worse and just in the way.>range toy.Do whatever then.
>>64734030This whole situation is like an astroturfed Floyd debacle but thankfully few are falling for it.
>>64734105I don't have one, but I usually shoot handguns at indoor ranges where there is always some asshole shooting an AR in the lane next to mine so I couldn't hear it at all and even then, the gunshot all around me would make it kinda useless. I don't really train for defensive shooting with long guns so I don't need a timer when I go to outdoor ranges either. My rifle shooting is casual and I don't feel the need to drive all the way out there to shoot handguns and have to deal with Hot/Cold Range to do target changes and whatnot.
>>64734105Only fags own shot timers and have to constantly quantify their skills for their fragile egos.
>>64734027Are you left handed? (If yes gen 5 or 6 for ambi controls)Are you planning to use a red dot? If yes, do you mind waiting for an aftermarket slide cut service? (gen 3/4 you must cut, gen 5 is MOS, gen 6 is good direct mount out of the box)Are you planning to swap slides, print 3D frames and generally treat it as a platform for modifications, or are you planning to just shoot it stock? (if former, gen 3 is best)Are you in California? (if yes, you don't have a choice, do you?)Overall, I'd lean gen 4, and send slide immediately for rmr cut and refinish. Or, gen 6 newest and greatest.
>>64734151>>64734191I only like finger grooves on the compact 19 and the sub-compact 26 frames. The full-size 17 grooves have a wider spacing and they aren't nearly as comfortable with the high grip I shoot with.
>>64734114>softer/slower in comparison b/c of the recoil spring changeCurious, I wonder if the OEM spec for the single coil was changed for Gen6>>64734151>just going to be a range toyThen why a Glock at all? Get a 92FS from Aims Surplus or something, kek>>64734105>a casual one unsuited to defenseEli Dicken wasn't drilling with a shot timer and neither did Paul Harrel>>64734163>Gold dot or critical duty(124gr/135gr +p) and a bonded 124gr +p winchester load tends to be the most commonFigures since barrier penetration is more applicable to law enforcement>>64734238>astroturfed Floyd debacleNeo lefitsts and race rioters wouldn't mobilise over the death of a white
>>64734270I have a 26.5 and 19.5. I imagine I'd hate the grooves even more there. They're just in the way and do not offer useable leverage or grip in any way to me.
>>64734105It's dangerous to condition your brain to shoot with a shot timer. You fell for it.
>>64734309>I AIN'T HEARD NO BEEP IN A GUNFIGHT BEFOREAbsolute moron.
>>64734287> Eli Dicken wasn't drilling with a shot timer and neither did Paul HarrelWhat a stupid thing to sayJohn Bastilone didn’t have a shot timer and he killed a lot of japs And Paul has a shot timer too and used it in a video If you do not have a shot timer then you cannot measure speed. If you’re training for speed the lack of any kind feedback makes your training aimless. It’s like shooting for accuracy but never checking the target or only using steel which hides hits
>>64734030it's too cold to riot, fed, stop baiting. Try again in the spring.
>>64734006There were two #1706s
>>64734006twice a month, ez; on my way to work. I don't do drills i just show up and do some blasting and a lil BS'ing with the staff
>>64734387
>>64734319I call it "being afraid to put your dick on a ruler" Everyone can say they have an 8" dick when nobody will put it on the table.
>>64734287>Eli Dicken wasn't drilling with a shot timer and neither did Paul Harrelhttps://youtu.be/uVFHpckTEXU?t=3766tldw he does just not in his videos often and it's an intermediate-advanced tool
>>64734618did*rip
Was given 2 .45s. Should I carry a Glock 21, or Kimber 1911? The 21 is fucking huge, but it fits in a universal holster i have
>>64734618IMO Paul’s demographic is beginners and novices. Not advanced shooting and also Paul’s doctrine is kind of accuracy above all else, which I guess is good for legal shooting but other trainers would argue speed training is much more important for defensive shooting since in the moment you’re trying to mag dump instead of the slow fire you practiced.
>>64734688Kimber has a very negative stigma. They used to make very good guns, a certain CEO then dumped all QC and destroyed their reputation.
>>64734694Protip: if you fire slow at first you can fire faster more accurately as you train. Going for immediate speed is why people wonder why theyre not hitting paper.
>>64734702Protip: strawmanning doesn’t work
>>64734702Every pro shooter advocates pushing speed to make things breakdown and making corrections from there. If you're shooting concentric golfball sized groups you're not shooting fast enough.
Imagine arguing with someone about timers who hasn't even posted his timer let alone his gun.
>>64734775No they dont.
>>64734702>Protip: if you fire slow at first you can fire faster more accurately as you train. Going for immediate speed is why people wonder why theyre not hitting paper.If you ever wanted an example of how institutional inertia hamstrings progress, this is it.Don't forget to tell 'em to focus on the front sight, too, just like gramps always said.
Remember when German adopts this instead of Sig/HK/Glock? Hahahahaha
>>64734700I've seen stuff about that, but its been years. Have they improved at all recently? The 1911 is at least 7 years old so its probably from that time frame anyways. Wonder if I could send it in for them to work on
>>64734849ok
>>64734855Feel free to stop samefagging and rebutt.
>>64734387My apologies, I'll fix it next time>>64734855What do you focus on, Anon?
>>64734251You are limiting your shooting ability based on your range choice, timer or not.I don't know how far "out there" is, but I imagine the drive would be worth it just to not have to stand next to some mouth breather mag dumping a 7" AR pistol indoors.>>64734287>Eli DickenLooks like a fat retard.>Paul HarrelCloseted homosexual who died of AIDS, venerated by other homos who like revolvers and waxed canvas jackets.
>>64734916>What do you focus on, Anon?Mostly the positive things. I find even forced optimism is an improvement, and I've even started daily meditation and journaling.
>>64734849Ben Stoeger and Matt Pranka do, they trained Delta Force. Matt is former delta. Ben Stoeger may have trained the operators or at least influenced their training.
>>64734268I'm in Texas, with no plans for optics or customization really. Its going to get night nights and maybe a WML. It will mostly be for range use.
>>64735003They dont tell newbies to magdump as fast as possible...
>>64734945
>>64734319>If you do not have a shot timer then you cannot measure speedBut you can the same way Paul did by reviewing videos and using arithmetic to approximate shot time. He would have undoubtably thought recording your range performance to be a valid alternative >>64734618>>64734627Paul explicitly stated his reluctance to use shot timers in traininghttps://youtu.be/uVFHpckTEXU?t=4566Paul considered two-second draws at a 10 ring at 12 yards GTG because he wasn't trying to split max>>64734332Nobody should riot, the shooting was entirely justifiable>>64734945They have more confirmed kills [in self defense] than this entire thread combined so I'd rather study their range habits than some gadget fiddler who thinks 0.25s matters outside of competition
>>64735019No one was talking about newbies. Maybe Paul watchers do since they’re perpetuating noobies
>>64735019>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li0rGtXh23IMag dumping and just walking your shots in on paper is, unironically, better advice than trying to aim and slow fire as a beginner.
>>64735081Absolutely false. You dont shoot.
>>64735051What are you talking about? We were talking training. You either are trained or youre not. If you can hit the target on command then you can easily speed up.
>>64735093Sad thing is, you actually believe your mediocre shooting ability is proof of skill, not realizing you've been doing it wrong the whole time.This is how we can tell you don't own a timer, don't train, and don't realize you're still a novice; you fear change or challenge to what you've always done.
>>64735122Yeah, if you’re hitting what you’re aiming at you should be shooting faster Training is where you miss and correct mistakes. Shooting perfect groups is not training, it’s just confirming
>>64735141You had to pull up a 9 year old vid little buddy keep coping.
>>64735148You train slow at first to get the basics. If you dont have the basics youll still suck shooting fast. You cant skip the basics.
>>64735157Why are you arguing with a straw man
Accidentally almost flashed my gun at the company Christmas party
>>64735150>9 year vid vs. last century's boomer methodlmao, the delusion. It is good you stay in your safe zone with your idols like Paul, a place where actual times and accuracy scores don't matter, just youtube views.
>>64734238My favorite is the faggot media continuing to yell mother of three, reinforcing that the illegals were more important to this retard than her kids were.
New Taurus TX9 anyone?
Either speedfags don't understand that going fast is what you naturally do after you unfuck your scrub behavior by working out your accuracy issues or I'm arguing with YNs with switches. The lack of them supplying anything to show how magdumpmaxxing has improved their ability to actually hit the target is telling.
>>64735157Matt Pranka has multiple children he trained to shoot, each differently since his personal training doctrine changed over time. His youngest which he prioritized speed above all else is the best shooter https://youtu.be/rzXhfXtDeNE>>64735049If you’re hiding behind their “kill counts” I wonder what’s the kill counts for Matt Pranka and the shooters he’s trained
>>64735242That's because Matt Pranka TRAINS his kids to not fuck up on the basics...
>>64735234Can you do a sub 2s bill drill from concealment at 7 yards with majority A hits? (I didn’t bring any USPSA targets that day)
>>64735257When I do I'm less scattered than that with a micro 9.
>>64735255Why are we talking about the basics, we’re all past basic sight alignment sight picture shit right?
>>64735262Cool
>>64735266Why are we talking about speed above all when everyone who knows the basics already can speed up?
I'm happy to see magdumping finally questioned in context of defensive shooting practice. It should be heavily advised against. Civilian shooters are liable for their bullets unlike cops that training is marketed towards.
>>64735257He hasn't shot anything that wasn't an old TV or a Birchwood Casey paster.
Whatever happened to "slow is smooth, smooth is fast? I'd rather not ND into my leg on a draw in a self-defense over shaving a third of a second off
Again, its like some of you people here don't understand that speed comes with actual skill with your gun. You can't just magdump your way into proper alignment, no recoil anticipation and proper sight picture. Shooting as fast as possible in spite of alignment is a niche thing that trainers do to speed up the process of troubleshooting, its rarely beneficial for the shooter without 3rd party feedback. Every time you train you should be going for faster than before, which will get you those fast speeds without needing to go back to classes a few times to get that result because you're training yourself instead of needing an instructor to observe your worst case involuntary behavior.
>>64735288The issue is that your slow fire flys out of the window as soon as your ass is on the line. Cops aren’t trained to mag dump, they do that because they’re about to be killed, people are trying to push speed shooting into training so when they actually do mag dump they know how to do it
>>64735293>Whatever happened to "slow is smooth, smooth is fast?People trying to win competitions or gunfights got tired of losing or dying. Same as front sight focus.Really.Competition shooters have been saying it's bad advice since the '80s and '90s to include people like Miculek and Leatham, as seen in: >>64735081Military stopped doing it as it trickled down from the SOF and infantry units who were trained by AMU/comp shooters and it's almost military wide now.Now it's just the same shit people who don't know any better say, and that specific breed of 4chan contrarian who makes it his identity/personality to be different, like >>64735317
>>64735369How much shooting from cover / concealment do you incorporate into your training?
>>64735293"Slow is smooth, smooth is fast" is fudd bullshit parroted by RO boomers, but in their defense, they don't want to get shot by some retard (or, more likely, the retard shooting himself) pushing way beyond his limit, so they keep telling you to slow down. Nobody who actually competes and wins abides by "slow is smooth, smooth is fast".
>>64734006Is that the gun from Blade Runner!?
>>64735398This is
>>64735374Retard
>If I redefine doing what everyone has been doing for a century I can BTFO le heckin fudderinosThis conversation has been such a waste of time and has no fucking point but for this guy to cry about fudds and Paul Harrell for some reason.
>>64735369> slow fire flys out of the windowWhat are the state of the art practice techniques to prevent that reaction? Mozambique drills?
Got a used timer for $50 on a whim and it was probably one of the most productive $50 I've ever spent in terms of improving my shooting. Anyone arguing against them has probably never tried one and/or can't shoot for shit.
>>64735262>trust me bro
>>64735425You mean the drill that’s about shooting as fast as possible to land 2 hits into the center A zone and one into the small headbox A zone, something you need a shot timer to quantify
>>64735452No I meant the part where you stop shooting after double tap and re-evaluate threat before proceeding.
>>64735470You mean the stupid faggot drill?
>>64735470>stop shooting after double tap and re-evaluate threat before proceeding.NTA but sounds like a good way to give a faggot prosecutor an easy "he executed him" line of attack.
>>64735475Do you know of any alternative ways to train out the obviously bad habits?
>>64735487Not supposed to if there's no longer a threat. But even if there is disagreement, it's not nearly as bad as "you hit few bystanders a block away" liability.
>>64735496>Not supposed toFaggot prosecutors will try any disingenuous line of attack that is remotely feasible. Even if it fails it will still cost you 5 figures minimum and months of your life and sanity.
>>64735511Not supposed to shoot the motherfucker in the head if he's not a threat after observing his behavior after being shot. If he is a threat, yes, and it's as bad as the first shots to prove defense. But, no magdumping.
>>64734238It was a white lesbian who was found to be a known agitator. No one is going to riot over that
>>64735488You’re “evaluating the situation” on a paper target that doesn’t respond at all, when you can practice shooting faster instead
>>64735560>you can practice shooting faster insteadWhat for?
>>64735568What a stupid comment
>>64735589Why do you want to shoot fast?
>Use hollow point ammunitionHe intended to kill him! He used exploding ammunition. (Kyle Rittenhouse prosecutor)>Use FMJ ammoEither "He intended to kill him! He used military grade ammunition!" Or "He was recklessly using ammunition that would go straight through him and endanger the children!">Use an AR"He intended to kill him! He used an assault weapon!">Use a Bolt action"He intended to kill him! He used a high powered sniper rifle!">Use a glock"He intended to kill him! He used a high capacity assault pistol!" (Yes, they have actually used this term on the news)>Use a revolver or 10mm"He intended to kill him! He used a handgun even more powerful than what the police and military use!" (Lots of cases where they bring this up)>Use a shotgun"Assault shotgun" (media tried to coin the term after that mosque shooting from a while ago)>Use a PCC"Assault weapon">Use a . . .The only guns that a prosecutor won't try to use to establish an intent to kill against you in court are probably snub nose revolvers in 38 special, typical 10 round mag 22lr target pistols, and double barrel shotguns. Use what you want and don't worry about faggots in the courtroom. Surviving the fight is more important than the legal battle afterwards.
>>64735595That's fair, and in that sense, practical skills are useful. Fast draw to first shot time is good. Fast splits are good. Never go full retard on the same target though. Magdumping is not a practical skill.
What are your opinions on flat vs arched mainspring housings on 1911 ?My Colt 1911 that I got last year came with plastic flat housing. Kinda lame that Colt makes them out of plastic now.I looked at some other manufacturers and they all come with flat housings these days. Did not see any arched ones on stock 1911s.Anyway, I ordered myself a steel arched housing, I am curious to see if it ends up aiming any different.
My Taurus G3 feels and shoots better than my HK USP9
Just bought a used Bersa Thunder for ~$200 why the fuck do people spend $1k on Walthers???
>>64735595>Rusty pos Highpoint Carbine>"Assault weapon"
>>64735628Most people like flat but some people think arched is better since you get more real estate of contact between hand and gun. It’s getting popular in the 2011 world to change the grip angle from 1911 style to something more slanted “European” style. I think arched and Wilson V mainsprings are more like that European style than the flat
>>64735624Exactly. Your shots should be fast, but precise and never more than necessary if you want to avoid jail time and a loss of your 2A after you get out. Time to 1st ACCURATE shot in the A zone from the holster that you carry is probably the number one thing to practice with a hand gun. After that it should be fast, but controlled pairs at medium range (10-15 yards and if you can cover your groups with a fist, you are g2g to increase speed) and after that long range slow fire that you slowly increase the speed of as your skills improve. Go as fast as you can maintain fist size accuracy or better and practice until you are both fast and accurate at any range. Do this and so long as you have good situational awareness, you won't be "kilt in da streetz" or even innawoods with the bears and skinwalkers!
>>64735745Nigger people shoot more times than necessary all the time and nothing happens to them. The dude who executed a guy on the ground who had a toy gun in a taco shop got off Scot free even after fleeing the scene and not turning himself in for several days
>>64735765
>>64735765I always assumed it's better to magdump as it makes you look more scared and in fear for your life. Doing a bill drill across a parking lot is a bit of a harder sell
>>64733846Overall caniks are pretty nice and work pretty well. I will say their compact offerings that aren't the mette are pretty chunky.
>>64735779Hey in my country we have a saying >"you have to let the intruder into your house, if possible the basement, and then you shoot the shit out of him, not one shot, because the court might say your life was not in danger, and you can get into legal troubles, you mag dump him, and then you stomp him and take a piss on his body, to show your mental state"
>>64734858>SIGAmerican.>GlockAustrian.>HKWasn't even part of the trial.The Finalists were CZ, Glock, and Arex. Walther and HK didn't even bother to come out and compete.>>64735628I like the arched. The 1911 is a pretty flat gun, so the arch fills out the palm nicely. I also like how it acts as a ramp/wedge to push the hand up and lock into place without resorting to checkering. Most people prefer the smaller diameter grips, regardless of how big their hands are.It adds length to the heel of the gun, so you should expect it to point, a bit "up" if you use the exact same grip.
>>64735394Youre a fucking mouth breather and have never competed in your life, Chink.
So how's the whole $0 tax stamp for silencers
>>64735935Now building your own, like 3D printing them, is filing paperwork through an online portal Effectively everything is 200 dollars cheaper but often retailers through promotions paid the tax stamp for you
>>64735935I'm not gonna be on no damn list
>>64735935Dunno don't care. Silencers are for pussies.
>>64735935I guess I'll buy a few more, maybe a 45 can
Ok never mind, silencershop turned their website into a piling steam of shit, so maybe I won't buy another one.
>>64734006the older i get the more i appreciate the oldy timey steel and wood and hokey little additions aesthetic that existed when i was a kid (gen-x). that gun is fucking pretty.
>>64734238niggers don't care about white lesbians, especially in the winter time.
>>64734105tactifag>More and more convinced the easiest way to tell whether or not someone has any idea what they're talking about with shooting is to simply ask:>>Do you own a shot timer?>If the answer is "no," you can immediately classify any opinion they have as a casual one unsuited to defense or competition.basedfudd>shot timer? i shoot them till it's time to stop if that's what you mean
>>64734006Please, don't post a cool gun as the OP. The post OP anons get very insecure.
>>64734287FIVEHUNDREDYEARS
>>64734287Seriously though, if there is a beretta marketing bot watching this thread, tell you masters they should simply change their motto to five hundred years. >HK - no compromise>whatever fag, five hundred years.
>>64735900He's from spain actually.
>>64735885>>SIG>American.100% german owned and headquartered in frankfurt. the owners and cohen wound up in court for exporting to cartels though, so they were probably fucked from the get-go.
>>64734238It's called accelerationism. But yeah, Trump is failing spectacularly. His policies aren't deporting enough shitskins and he is driving the other fags crazy, which is admittedly a bery short trip.Also, to keep it on topic, ICE uses the SIG P320, so maybe that retarded lib slut got domed by accident, even of she did clip that pig.Everyone involved is retarded. No taxation without remigration.
>>64736179Accelerationism is the ideology of losers. Losing is how we will win!!!I’m sorry I don’t want to live in fucking South Africa, where there are still white guilt libtards despite literal mobs going around killing white people. No amount of accelerationism will fix that, your enemies will never see the error of their ways. >trump failing spectacularly I don’t think so, he has done more for us Americans than any other president in recent history. Because of him people are actually talking about remigration. He’s saying in airforce 1 that all Somalis have to go back. The president is saying that, they’re building the political capital to be able to do that. Accelerationism is shit for the eternal podcast class. Who don’t want to win, they want to be losers in their little bubble.
>>64735049>Nobody should riotThis isn't the attitude that decolonialized us from Kang George. What do you think of the MP-5K as a screw on suppressor host in a pistol configuration.
>>64734105>Gun gamer brainThe real question is, did you score a hit while you when you had a loaded gun in your face?Let me guess, you've never had another person point a gun at you with intent.
>>64736207This is some of the stupidest cope there is, “it’s all gamer shit” How else do you practice speed, quantify speed. It’s like someone who doesn’t know how to fight saying “I can take him, I’ll see red” or some shit. How do you know how fast you run if you don’t time it?
>>64736193He's less bad but not nearly good enough. Not even close to as good as he led us to believe. Hes a kike enabling faggot and you are, too. How many IWI guns do you own?Anything short of a complete and total decoupling from the idiot Levant is insufficient.
>>64735430Not arguing against them, you just don't NEED one. It's a nice tool but that's all it is. It doesn't magically make you better. All it does is provide data for review.
>>64736216>How else do you practice speed, quantify speedGun fighting, pussy retard.Sign up or shut the fuck up.The military and police are always hiring. Fake ass bitch nigga.You think you're hot shit until you hear the angry wasps flying by you. You'll start thinking about your split times to get into cover isn'tof gun games bullshit.Fucking PLEASE stand with your shoulders squared in an athletic stance with elbows slightly bent in a perfect Isosceles while you look at the source of the shit and get clapped by the guy you didn't even see.
>>64736240Post uniform
I did the Hickok challenge on a B810 yards, 6 shots, 1 minute time limit
>>64736355One handed*
>>64736355Very nice, Anon. Always like to see people actually shoot
>>64736217Who shit in your corn flakes
>>64736163>>64736166>twice as old as American independenceCrazy to think about>>64736195Your cat reminds me of my cat>MP-5K as a screw on suppressor hostIt's the next best thing to an MP5SD, I suppose>Kang GeorgeTrump leaves office in three years regardless so there doesn't seem to be a point in rioting
>>64736166Holy shit I didn't realize it was this bad. No wonder I only picture the logo when I think Beretta.
>>64736405Delta Force probably
>>64733961>Who else is excited about going shooting this weekend? Five rounds with an IPSC silhouette at 10 yards is the function test for my EDC. I also have these diameter targets for the PP drill: six rounds single-handedly at seven yards with no time limitsit's 10 yards per the challenge
>>64734163I’ve worked for 1 local and 3 fed agencies. In my experience, they will solicit bids on the ammo they want and that’s what it is. If you’re carrying an approved primary or backup weapon, they’ll usually specify the ammo to carry. One exception my last agency issued 165 gr. Winchester BJHP’s and one qual they gave us 165 Gold Dots that another agency donated. When I was last OTJ I worked with an ICE guy who carried a POW G17 bc they were using the P229 in .40 back then. At
>>64736490I'm aware but I was specifically referring to this video of PP anon. I guess the drill should be five rounds since his Bulldog only has five chambersI might do the Frank North challenge on an IPSC but what's even the incentive when this anon >>64701834 doesn't seem to be collecting images for any collage? PX4 anon posted his last week >>64711844 and didn't even get a (You) for the trouble
>>64734105It's an old pasta, but it checks out.
Atlantic has cheap g22 gen3 frames if anyone else is interestedAll you need to convert the frame itself to 9mm is an ejector, and a gen5 ejector will fit in a gen3 housing
>>64736523Prisoner of war g17?
>>64735628Short trigger = arched, long trigger = flat.As long as the trigger and mainspring housing follow this formula I can work with either. Probably pick short and arched if I had to choose one.
>>64736178>100% german owned and headquartered in frankfurt.Not since 2004. Before you were born. Sig was Entirely US owned after that, and they allowed the German factory to stay open.
fuck jl
>>64736905Meant to say, picked this up last week. Shot it Sunday, was great. Next up is a 92FS (regret selling mine) and a CZ75BD
>>64736905>>64736910that's cool. I prefer the slimmer p220 for kino factor + better caliber
>>64736655That deal kinda sucks
>>64736914I'm considering one as well, I love .45, before that I'll get a 1911 GI though, probably as cheap Tisas.
is there such thing as safety glasses that dont fog
>>64736922nice collection you should eventually get a hk45c as well
Anyone recommend a decent trigger upgrade for a G19 or clones? I just bought the Double Diamon 3.5 connector and installed it on my g19.4 and the result SUCKS. Somehow the result was a mushy gritty pull with no clean break. Reinstalled the stock connector and it is absolutely fine again now. I'm just wondering if a full drop in trigger kit will get me better results than just piecing out new trigger pieces individually
>>64736927Down the line, maybe. I want a regular USP45 and perhaps and Expert first.
>>64736925Yeah. Zenni optical online offers ANSI Z87.1 Safety Glasses in a variety of forms and you can select anti-fog coatings during the build process
>>64736910I'd say go for the B over the BD because the trigger is a bit better, but desu the CZ75 has the worst trigger of any of the classic DA/SA semi-auto pistols.
Is the metal fram Smith and Wesson M&P worth it.I already know I should just save my money but...I still really like itAlso FUCK .webp and the fucking indian faggot that thought we needed another fucking file format
>>64735257Are those your results for those times at 7 yards? I'd say that's a good place to start but you've got an lot of training to go. I'm sure you will continue to improve.
>>64736542>doesn't seem to be collecting images for any collage?Nobody's given any images for the collage. >>64711844 is a different target.
>>64736931Timney or Glock Performance. That's it. Everything else is just different shades of GlockThe Timney has a stigma from when they used weak springs or something that would dead the trigger or something, the Glock one has no foibles I know oftl;dr Nyet, Glock is fine
>>64734006Can I finally post now?
>>64736954No
>>64737166A metal frame striker fired pistol just seems worth it for the irony alone
>>64736937I don't disagree on the trigger, it feels very eastern European. I own two CZs already >>64736932 and I love them, just want another that is classic and has the same manual of arms as the two I already have. Like I was saying earlier, I plan on a Beretta 92fs and Glock 17 next. At this point, I have my carry and field pistols, I'm just collecting.
>>64735628I have xxl hands and i find that arched and short trigger go together, and so does flat and long trigger, but mixing them makes me shoot worse, so all my 1911s are flat and long. Thats jist my experience across about 8 1911s.
>>64736870>Before you were born2004 was in the 70s? i'm not sure that's how numbers work anon. and you're coming on pretty strong for some fucking retard who has relied on fucking rumour and /k/ for all their information. so allow me to retort. the parent company is called L&O Holding GmbH and Co. KG and they own SIG Sauer (firearms), Blaser Jagdwaffen, Mauser Jagdwaffen, J.P. Sauer & Sohn, John Rigby, and MINOX (optics). cohen ended up in german court next to the owners. here's a delightful newspaper article that mentions that >SIG Sauer’s German division is also ordered to repay more than $12 million. (The gunmakers are both owned by a German conglomerate, L & O Holding.)https://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2019-04-03/sig-sauer-ceo-avoids-jail-time-for-role-in-illegal-arms-shipmenthmmmm, seems to me that 2019 comes after 2004 and there was still a german division. now, i know that's closed now (you didn't even know it was still a thing) but that didn't happen until 2020, so it looks like you're a faggot again. and the company is still hq'd in germany, because that's were the owners run the family of companies from. you apparently can't even read a fucking wiki article. now fuck off.
>>64737173Right, but if you really want the irony I'd say get that metal frame canik just because it's fucking goofy
>>64736954metal frames are a meme unless you are competing.
>>64736968Don't worry he'll keep magdumping his way to success, someday, maybe.
>>64736954I carried one for quite a while. It literally is just are regular M&P but more aesthetic. The weight difference is negligible, the price difference isn't. Your call, I like it
This might be a dumb question but instead of snap caps can't I just use spent shell casings?
I don't come here often but isn't there a guy (or more) here from Michigan? How are the gun laws there?
>>64736968Do you not know what a bill drill is
>>64738026If you care about absorbing the impact of the firing pin, not really. Spring loaded snapcaps degrade in their ability to do so over hundreds of strikes. A spent casing - after just a handful.
>>64738278I use the little plastic jobbies you buy in the store
>>64737542And fingerfucking
Finally got a CZ75.
>>64737028Hey Bort, you fuck. Thanks for that response. Have you shot the Glock performance trigger at all? Fortunately this is a gen 4 I'm working on so it'll take the performance trigger but I've not felt one at all yet. And do you have any experience with Tactical Pontoon's triggers?'Preciate ya
>>64737020I don’t see a single person including the challenger using the official target
>>64738425Not Bort but GPT is pretty good if you already liked stock Glock trigger. It has shorter take-up and instead of rolling to release, it's like you have a wall that you transfer force to through a soft buffer. So it still creeps a bit as force stacks, but then releases suddenly. Imagine you have a really nice trigger, like 1911, but you have to add a spring between your finger and that trigger to remove all the crispness. Also the shoe is atrocious for occult reasons.
>>64738462Yeah but who owns a printer these days, honestly
I know a place where a young man could purchase a Glock 17L with a Performance trigger already installed. Also comes with metal sights and a a new magwell. All for the low price of $550. Anyone interested?
>>64738504Staples is dirt cheap for prints. You just need one then photocopy a bunch.
>>64738357Based, great pistols.
>>64738468Good info Mr. NotBort. Thanks. Seems intriguing enough that i nay just throw money at one and give it a spin. Wonder why the trigger shoe has been cursed though? I suppose I could always just swap it with another
Did I need three? NoDid I wind up with three anyway? Yes
>>64737207>ummm ackchyouallyIt wasn't 2020 or 2019 you sanctimonious knowitall faggot, they were making handfuls of guns until 2022. That wasn't regular production, it was their master shop making only multi thousand dollar custom pistols, merely dozens per year. They didn't make regular P226s in Germany after about 2007 or so.Get your facts straight noguns.
>>64736931I can recommend the Apex shoe/trigger bar/connector kit. After shooting it for a couple months, I'm definitely coming around to preferring the flat shoe to the curved one. I haven't changed any of the spring weights because I don't want to induce primer ignition issues, but the kit alone lowers the pull weight to about 4.5 lbs. In my experience, when you go too low with striker triggers, you get really mushy action. I've shot some 2.5lb-3lb Zev and Overwatch Glock triggers that were just slushboxes, not to mention likely unsafe for carry. If you want a more transformative change than the Apex, you can look at Timney/GPT/TriggerTech Ace as Burt suggested, which essentially change the gun to be fully pre-cocked. Those can get into the weeds a bit, though.
>>64738835Oh, I should note: when I say go “too low with striker triggers”, I’m really only talking about non-fully-precocked triggers like Glocks. You can get really crisp/non-slushy, light striker triggers, like the Apex M&P 2.0 or the Walther PDT, but those are fully precocked.
