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>>64863600Forgot I had this guy, 7.62x39 side folding receiver. What should I build?
>>64863833>7.62x39 side folding receiver>What should I build?A Galil, obviously.
>>64863833MPI-KMS
>>64863895oy vey
Does anyone here know why WBP switched to nitride barrels and why they won't make a 762 folder? Yugos are cool anyway but between those two things and the price creep it's pushed me to get a Zpap instead. I'd still like to get a Polish AK, but at this rate it feels like I might as well pay another $200 or so for a nice kit build.
>>64864357They didn't switch to nitride. Nitrided barrels are one of their offerings but they are in the minority compared to models with the FB Radom CHL CL barrels. If you look on Atlantic or WBP website most of their guns have FB. I
Somehow scored 5.45 ammo lacquer sealed Tula from 1979, for .27 cents a round at my LGS
>>64864521somehow, 5.45 has returned
>>64856883you're gonna want to sit down for this one
>>64864460My mistake, thanks. Now if they would only do a folder
>>64864963One must convince the WBP to fold
>>64864946What's he sitting down for?
>>64865013to take a dumpy
>>64864357>switched to nitrideThey didn't switch to nitride, nitride was and will always be their primary "offering" because WBP isn't a real arms manufacture and will never have true forged components, barrels or otherwise. The CHF CL barrels they were offering in some of their "products" at one point were just leftoevers/overstock/rejects from a real arms manufacturer, FB Radom, the state polish arms producer that is the direct descendant of the old soviet Circle 11 factory. WBP on the other hand is a literal warehouse shit CNC operation making what are basically glorified prop pieces from billet. They get sales from retards because they slap decent looking furniture on there and casuals like the contrast of the chrome carrier vs the rest of the gun. A yugo or a nice kit build will get you an actual gun. WBPs are not real firearms, the same way a tranny faggot with their dick cut off is not a real woman.
does anyone have a good manual on how to use the PBS-1 special rear sight ?I found one in russian, but the translated text is not very clearas far as I understand, the slider drums are to be pulled out for supers, rotated to fine tune the drop with substhe top graduations are foe supers, the uderside for substhe windage is for windage, duham I missing something ?
>>64865030your US mutt builds arent real either
>>64865074Real Factory 21 Republica Populară Română true forged trunnions, carriers, and bolts. Rest of the bits are real deal parts also from Cugir. East German stock is legit too. Barrels are CHF CL from FN. Completely different breed than the WBP slop. Not sure if you're aware but pressing rivets isn't metallurgy.
>>64865123>FN barrelWBP Jack has FB Radom barrels. More trustworthy than your franken mutt build.
>>64865030You're kind of obsessed about it. We know WBP isnt a state arsenal but the Fox gen2 rifles were of high quality and used forged parts for the run. You're delusional saying they weren't. I'm not familiar enough about what they are doing now but my Fox is a solid rifle.
>>64865172Only some of the WBPs got the CHF CL FB Radom barrels, and for all we know they were reject leftovers. On the other hand, the rest of the guns were using mystery meat parts likely billet bits, in fact we know now that current production use billet bits. While FN isn't as true to blood as a FB Radom or Cugir CHF CL barrel, the bottom line is that FN is a legit arms manufacturer, and when it comes to CHF CL metallurgy, we know that they're good to go. All that is left is the external machining and turning down to correct diameters, which even WBP can do. What WBP doesn't do, can't do, and never will do because they're not a real gun company, is cold hammer forge and chrome line barrels. >>64865215Okay yeah for that one run where WBP was basically acting as a kit builder, sure the guns were solid.
>>64865369>and for all we know they were reject leftovers"okay so umm Im just gonna assume the worst even though I have no evidence because I have to cope over being corrected"
>>64865369Pretty insane mental gymnastics here
>>64865369>WhatGripWhatStockI find tripfags as annoying as much as the next guy but man I have to say I respect the unyielding hate for WBP, I have to know what those Polish dogs ever did to you?
>>64865512Its probably just ODD. Tripfags hate when people disagree with them
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>>64864970How do you like the putnik?
>>64865472I didn't say that necessarily was the case, just that it could be the case. Regardless, you ain't getting CHF CL barrels in a WBP any more lol. >>64865502Not at all. You don't need me to post the fucking billet vs forged metallurgy cross section picture again do you>>64865512>>64865517>Just being disagreeableI'm actually very trait agreeable. My issue with WBP is entirely based in objectivist principles at an intersection of ethics, politics, and materials science. We'll start from the top. The 2nd Amendment isn't about hunting, it isn't about sporting, or fun. It isn't about blasting trash or protecting your home from common thieves. The 2nd Amendment is part of the governmental structure which maintains the necessary balance of powers between the government and the governed to best ensure an approximation of a truly morally right state of affairs whereby the governed can use arms either in actualization or in threat, to kill those that govern or their agents when to do so is morally justified. The "arms" in question are not hunting rifles, they are not toys for blasting, or wall hanger props. They are meant to be the well regulated arms necessary to effectuate the balance of powers above described. This precludes pieces of shit, and requires at a bare minimum that these arms be the common small arms in use by the government and its agents, once again to establish and maintain this balance of powers. WBP is a civilian commercial toy manufacturer. They do not supply any government or government agent. They do not make their products to the standards of any government or government agent, in fact we objectively know in terms of metallurgy, dimensional spec, manufacturing processes, and many other objective metrics that WBP products and the ethics and intention behind their products do not meet the standards of any government, government entity, or the true nature and spirit of the 2nd Amendment. Simple as.
>>64866785>to kill those that govern
>>64866785>The 2nd Amendment isn't about hunting, it isn't about sporting, or fun. It isn't about blasting trash or protecting your home from common thieves.
>>64865069>am I missing something ?No, that seems about right.Here's the manual I came across in case it's different than the one you found. https://nastavleniya.ru/PBS/pbs2.html
>>64866785>I didn't say that necessarily was the caseYou're such a disingenuous fag. Its honestly Redditry of the highest regard. Also still waiting for you to explain why you thought putting the wrong stock in would make them explode
>>64866785I've seen you post this photo several times now and I have always wondered what type/brand of paint did you use to paint the firearm at the bottom of the image? How has it held up over time? I like how that came out, looks really cool.
>>64866835>How has it held up over time?Brilliantly because he only takes photos of them
>>64866835>>64866844>only takes photosWrong as fuck. I put about 2500rnds through that gun before selling it. Brownells Alumahyde on a bead blasted finish. Held VERY well. Good stuff. I'm actually going to spray some Cerakote C series here shortly on some cans. Hopefully it goes well. >>64866832>why you thought putting the wrong stock in would make them explodeWhat the fuck are you talking about? Are you talking about how the operations manager twink bitch in the WBP video hisself said that putting an aftermarket stock on a WBP changes the harmonics and affects accuracy? Because I didn't "say" that, there is video evidence of that. Same video he says that the lifetime of their guns is ~10k rounds which is fucking laughable. You do shoot right?>disingenuous fagNot at all. I meant exactly what I said, which was:"for all we know they were reject leftovers"That is a genuine and true statement. We don't know how or why a temporary limited run of WBP output got superior barrels from an external source. We do know that it ain't happening any more lol. Shit "guns".
>>64866835I miss that 104 inspired gun. Wasn't 100 series spec, was AKM spec with a real russian 100 series combo front sight gas block. Heavy, but cool.
>>64866875Cool, yeah I was looking at that and considering doing something similar for a future project. It adds a character that's subtly different from Cerakote. Thanks.
Has anyone tried the kpyk handguard? I would like to get an mlok hanguard for this 556 ak102 wannabe, but I'm not sure whether to buy it or go with the midwest one.
>>64865030>nitride was and will always be their primary "offering" because WBP isn't a real arms manufactureBut that's just plain wrong. Only one of their models in 7.62 has the nitrided barrel and it's their new cheaper offering to save $100. All the rest of their Jacks come with the FB Radom barrel still at a ratio of like 9:1. The one with siderail, the one without siderail, the one with tradition gasblock and the one with adjustable etc. all have FB Radom CHF CL barrels. You need to stop repeating false shit.
>>64867111>>64866785The parts are also forged too but don't tell him that because he will just ignore it like every other time he's been corrected. The parts aren't billet
>>64867146he wants consistent attention like every tripfag, something went very wrong in their upbringing
>>64866959Go midwest, there is anon here that has had bad experienced with kpyk set and they ended up hating it, he types now and then.
>>64867158raped probably. Its raped behavior to keep humiliating yourself again and again >>64867170that would be swissfag, the other tripnigger who is just as if not more retarded than WGWS
>>64867146Agreed it’s not billet because that would imply the blank is cast. What they mean when they say “machined from forged steel” is that they take a forged stock (which some colloquially refer to as a billet) and machine it to final dimension. We know this because they show the process in a video. A real hammer forged component starts with a blank, which is hammered into a rough dimension and finish milled. TL;DR billet is a misnomer, but pretending it’s the same forging as a mil-spec trunnion is equally dishonest.
>>64867212I understand there is a distinction. Either way the tripfag is wrong because he calls them both billet and cast. The fact that he uses both interchangeably demonstrates that he does not know the difference. He'll claim to have deep, informed knowledge about metallurgy and then deflect by moral fagging over some appeal to 2A.
>>64867227Yeah the whole discourse is pretty obnoxious, he does his side a disservice by being pretty far off the mark with the criticism, but at the same time WBP is being sneaky with their wording. It's not truly mil-spec but it's also not a bad product. Ultimately the US AK market is pretty barren and it's nice to have an option like WBP on the market and we'd be in a significantly worse spot without them.
>>64867212for how many thousands of WBPs are out there i find it surprising that apparently these billet core components have not failed. You'd think there would be a plague of broken trunnions and bolts but there aren't.
>>64867272This is ultimately what my position is. I've used their parts in my builds (because I like them and because I want new virgin parts sometimes) but I'm not going to claim that they are equivalent. At the end of the day he's a dumb fuck that wants accolades for spending more money on whatever the LCD of anon will validate him for. I suspect that most of the WBP people criticizing him are just trying to make him crash out. This is all very annoying and unreasonable
>>64867272Sorry for the sperging but... to clarify I don't even think WBP is intentionally being sneaky or dishonest, I think there's just a disconnect with the consumer perception of what forged implies and what the WBP product listing says. WBP is being honest with their product listing and it's not really on them to explain the autistic differences between manufacturing and they probably did the engineering to prove it's just as good and aren't obligated to share that with their competitors.Also, one of the main benefits of forging is aligning the grain flow of the finished part. They can also influence this by using a forged blank. It's not exactly the same, but when you consider the force the trunnion experiences they're probably equivalent. This myopic view ignores the other main benefit of hammer forging - it gets the part close the final dimension. This is a big deal when you're producing a metric fuckload of parts on manual mills where each operation is another bank of machines that takes up square footage in a factory and warm bodies to man. When you have CNC, the tradeoff of investing into forges might not make sense when you can just OEM a just as good blank that's ready to go in your CNC.>>64867297This is the ultimately the only argument that matters. There are a lot of happy WBP owners and not a lot evidence to contradict them. >>64867310I use them in my builds too, the market would be fucked without them.
>>64866336I love it, but it is a little heavy so I wouldn't put it on certain guns. But thats how the wolverine is so yea I love it
>>64867146>machined from forged steelJesus christ here we go again. You do know billet stock is forged? That doesn't mean it is a true part. Machined from forged steel is their sneaky way of convincing idiots like you that they're real forged parts, when they're machined from billet stock, and billet stock itself is forged. We just had their lame factor tour videos from 2025 and got CLEAR screenshots of machined from billet components and ZERO evidence of ANY true forgings. >>64867111Okay so they're using decent barrels. Still using shit billet trunnions, carriers, and bolts and the rest of the gun is still crap commercial spec shit. WBP peddles trash to tranny redditors that don't know any better. >>64867227I haven't called shit cast. Billet is a fine term and everyone knows what it means. >uses both interchangeably Literally lying tranny faggot I have not said the word cast once in this context.>does not know the differenceYou're the one coping with your shit WBP that doesn't make use of true forged parts. >>64867272>not a bad productWell shit I didn't realize that was our standard>>64867297You do realize that the plague of shit accuracy WBPs that they like to blame on people putting aftermarket stocks on could be explained by said shit billet trunnions and bolts losing headspace? >>64867310>wants accoladesNot at all. I want anon and the community as a whole to understand the real difference between a toy and a gun, because part of the political/ethical issue with the 2 Amendment is that so many retards don't even understand what it is that they're buying (WBPs included). >>64867323>WBP is being honest>The aftermarket stock affects the harmonics which affects accuracyFucking lol they're commercial spec scumbags, like most commercial spec "firearms" sales. They literally prey on dumb consoomers. >>64867323>main benefit of hammer forging being economy of scaleFalse, the main benefit is absolutely in how the part responds to stress.
>>64867726oh my b. you want accolades for being a 2A champion. what would the rest of us do without you. thanks for your service
>>64867726>I haven't called shit cast. Billet is a fine term and everyone knows what it means.oh yes you have lmaoshut up and take the L lil nigga. You have been lying for ages. quit pretending otherwise
>>64867323>There are a lot of happy WBP ownersThat don't even shoot, and by a lot if you mean a few thousand, maybe a few tens of thousands, this is laughable compared to actual numbers a real arms manufacturer produces. The bigger issue is that firearms are not toys, they're tools, killing tools, life saving equipment. They're srs bidness so to speak. Settling for what is OBVIOUSLY below spec, at a what? 5% savings? Is just fucking foolish. >>64867759Misspoke. WBPs use machined from billet bolts, and that simply isn't up to standard or spec.>>64867751Once again, I'm not looking for accolades. I'm looking to engage in objective truth. WBPs make use of machined from billet components, and are made to a commerical spec for casual commercial consumers that don't even shoot. They're not real guns.
>>64867759For what it is worth, from recent images like these, the metal does look cast.
>>64867759What we do know though is that the WBP bolts (and trunnions, and carriers) are NOT true forged parts per legit spec.
>I didn't say it was cast>ok, I did, but I misspoke>it look cast thoughI hate wuggy
>>64867782As I said, the important point is that whatever the WBP bolts are (unironically now looking at those pics and reading other posts there very well could have been some batches where they just used some cheapo cast bolts they sourced), we know that they're not true forged parts. Neither are the trunnions, neither are the carriers. Just watch the gay "factory" tour videos. They're a 3rd rate warehouse shop cobbling shit together to sell to people that rarely shoot more than a few hundred rounds per year.
>>64867784>not understanding the distinction between lying vs simply making a mistake>le pouncing Lefty tranny redditor faggot confirmed. If you were trying to have an honest conversation, you wouldn't be engaging the way you are, but you're not trying to have an honest conversation, because you're a WBP reddit tranny fag. WBP makes shit toys, and doesn't even know their own head from their ass. Simple as that.
>>64867790>As I saidyou said they were cast. now you're backtracking.
>>64867784See this post picture>>64867797And read through this forum thread.https://www.theakforum.net/threads/wbp-front-trunnions.333566/WBP confirmed for at one point using legit CAST trunnions. We got pictures of broken ass bolts with what looks like cast porous grain. We know WBP is a bunch of cheap backwater poles selling toy wallhangers to fat redditors that don't shoot. You really don't think it isn't too far out of the scope that some cast bolts made it in there too?WBP is trash.
>>64867808if coping were an Olympic sport, you'd at least get a silver
>>64867802>>64867799Hell maybe the bolts are cast. We know for a FACT that WBP makes use of cast trunnions. https://atlanticfirearms.com/wbp-cast-barrel-trunnionAnd we know for a fact that they're fucking morons that think or are convinced they can convince you to think that what stock is smashed into the machined from billet or cast or whatever bullshit rear trunnion somehow could affect accuracy (hint hint, it is actually the shit either cast or machined from billet bolts and shit either cast or machined from billet front trunnions losing headspace)... so it isn't that far fetched at all that they could be using straight up cast bolts, at some times. There is zero reason to spend $900-$1000 or even fucking $600 on a WBP. They're not real guns.
>>64867819>Hell maybe the bolts are castare you misspeaking again, or can I hold you to this statement?
>>64867751And just to show you that I'm well intentioned about this, I'll shit all over PSA also. PSA in a huge number of their shit ass wall hanger toy bullshit to sell to urban youths and wiggers uses nitrided barrels, and while they do use true forged components, I'm genuinely skeptical of their riveting and assembly quality, the quality of their headspacing work, and the dimensional specs they're using, ESPECIALLY on their 100 style series 5.56, 300blk, and 5.45 guns that as far as I'm aware use a completely non standard NOT mil spec (WBP does the same) dimensional spec for the bolt and trunnion. I had a PSA AK and it shit the bed PROMPTLY after 1200 rounds. Almost as if these shit civilian commerical trash companies make their products just decent enough that 90% of buyers don't realize they have a paper weight.
Cool AK thread, fags.
>>64867823So long as you engage authentically and include the maybe, and all the supporting evidence that I'm providing to the statement including the irrefutable fact that WBP has made use of cast Trunnions, and the general consensus that they don't give a shit about selling you a paper weight, yes please you can hold me to my statement that it is possible and even so far as comparatively (compared to Cugir Factory 21, FB Radom Factory 11, Arsenal Bulgaria Factory 10, Factory 1 Tula, Factory 74 Izhevsk etc) likely, that WBP (factory literally retard) made use of cast bolts. They absolutely unequivocally make use of machined from billet, which while better than cast, are still not legit mil spec.
>>64867848I'll post AK. Will WBP anon?Currently sidelined most of my AK projects as I'm waiting on a true three position AK FRT. I should shoot the chopped SKS a bit more. Need to cerakote the Omega 300 because the FDE looks awful on the SKS. >>64867847Ah yes, genuine well meaning authentic engagement. This is truly you wanting to talk about AKs, good vs bad vs toys vs legit, this couldn't possibly be you as a histrionic troon wanting to assassinate a "character" because how dare someone have an objective true justified belief that contradicts your fallacious opinions.
>>64867854>yes please you can hold me to my statementok. because earlier you were saying we couldn't because you "misspoke".
>>648678661st of all>we WeirdSecondly, where did I say that someone couldn't hold me to something I've said, even if I've admitted that I misspoke (saying that WBP is/has using/used cast bolts conclusively)? Being "held" to previous statements is a totally valid and logical aspect of argumentation. You know what isn't? This:>How do you type this out after being exposed for lying not only 2 posts ago? Pretty loco mayneshut up loser bro you're crashing out. You're making so many posts LMAO HES CRASHING OUT HE'S MAD HE'S RAPED HE'S REPEATING HIMSELFWhy don't (You) (plural) post AK? Lets see those 3000-4000 round count WBPs.
>>64867882IDK man. Recent events have really undermined my trust in you.
>>64867882>>we >Weirdyeah, keep thinking that only one person is arguing with you. I'm sure it makes you feel better.> where did I say that someone couldn't hold me to something I've saidyou were proven wrong in this >>64867759 post and your response was the you "misspoke">you're crashing outprojecting. you're mad as hell.die mad, subhuman tripfag.
Since we're on this, look what I found. Seems like someone else is trying to copy the WBP playbook:https://armsofamerica.com/nak1-pistol-new-production-cugir-romania-akm-no-barrel/>Manufactured in Cugir Romania by the Nova Modul factoryLolol. Same town! Made in Cugir (the town, not the factory). I wonder if reddit trannies will jump on these ones? Probably not given that the furniture isn't pretty. >>64867907I honestly forgot I had said that. On god no lie fr no cap senpai in my mind WBP basically just makes use of machined from billet stock (forged stock, but not the same result as a true forged part) core parts, trunnions, bolts, carriers etc. This alone is inexcusable. I probably made that statement a while back fresh after seeing those bolt pics and reading other forum posts. After revisiting that evidence tonight, I'm once again of the opinion that WBP very well might have in the past possibly made use of cast bolts, per the reasoning I already explained.
https://rifledynamics.com/limited-romanian-7-62x39-akm-virgin-core-parts-kit/>Made in RomaniaFuck RD peddling these Nova Modul bullshit parts. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1147343944Actual ROMARM parts>>64867922>One personI have no doubt more than one person is arguing with me. What is weird is you speaking for the others. Odd tendency. Says a lot about how you see this engagement. And yes, that screenshot shows me making a mistaken statement. The mistake being the degree of certainty I attached to the statement about cast WBP bolts. I've since revised my stance, and explained it thoroughly so I won't repeat myself even though it seems like you still don't understand. Me saying that I misspoke, is not me saying that in an argument someone can't hold me to what I've said in the past, and by "hold" I assume we don't mean this weird tranny reddit maoist struggle session thing you're trying to effectuate, but rather a reasoned rational argument, bringing up previous assertions that are in contradiction to currently considered positions etc, and to that I said I misspoke, and revised my position? Problem, fag?
>>64867929Not getting into this gay pissing match, but Nova Modul is one of 4 state factories in Romania. I believe they are all under the RomArm umbrella kind of like Kalashnikov Concern (Formerly Izhmash and Tula) and Molot is under RosTec is in Russia.>Cugir Mechanical Plant SA (Fabrica de Arme - Cugir S.A.) being the most well known factory in Cugir, Nova Modul, Sadu, and Carfill (not sure they still exist)
I have a fuck ton of rounds through my Minijack and I'm setting up a brand new one with a ALG and I'm gonna see what it does
>>64867939>Rifle Dynamics mentionedRare RD Dakimakura FS $4k, no lowballsE-mail Wuggy for details>Happy St. Valentines Day, heathens.
>>64867770>>64867726My issue with condemning WBP is that I simply don't know that the forging vs milled part is inferior in a way that actually matters. Like I said, the original AKM spec was engineered with different constraints than the WBP. As in it was a wholistic engineering approach that not only considered the mechanical properties of the part but also how it fit into the production line. I could be completely off the mark, but the forging requirement was probably influenced by quality of raw materials and machining operations as much as it was fatigue strength.>Fucking lol they're commercial spec scumbagsI just meant in regards to that line in the product listing, whatever they said about the stocks sounds retarded. For the trunnion, how else should they say it?It is 100% machined from a forged block of steel, that isn't a lie. You'd probably prefer they say billet, but billet is a catch all term for a raw piece of stock that could be cast, hot rolled, etc. I'll will say that "just like the originals" is a huuuge stretch because the originals weren't cut out of a block by CNC in 1959. It does feel sneaky, but I can't attribute malice to it.
>>64867955I could be wrong so DON'T hold me to it (ANON) but I was under the impression Nova Modul was a commercial company, with a relationship to the ROMARM Cugir plant similar to that of WBP to FB Radom (same city, but like a tiny little warehouse operation for commercial sales almost exclusively). Similar to ISD Bulgaria as well actually. >>64867976How many is a fuck ton?>>64867978>don't know that the forging vs milled part is inferiorDude... $10 harbor freight wrenchs are made from true forgings. It is better. Having grain structure that follows the external geometry of the part ensures that response to stress and strain is consistent regardless of which axes or faces are being loaded. I understand your rationalization about economies of scale, and it isn't incorrect on principle, but the truth is that when the firearm was designed not only did CNC not exist... true forgings were stronger. They still are. Hell the same goes for crankshafts, connecting rods, as I already mentioned, hand tools... >whatever they said about the stocks. Listen to this faggot yourself, fren:First link, this production manager soi shithead literally out loud claims that 5000 or 10k rounds is "near the end of life of the platform"WBP everybody...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne4aAYLfD_Y&start=95Second link:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne4aAYLfD_Y&start=340Same WBP moron claims that you need to use a stock that stiffens the receiver otherwise it can affect accuracy "sever issues regarding accuracy because you're changing the entire harmonics of the rifle" are literally his words... from using a polymer buttstock... Hilarious grifter gaslight shit that to mechanically illiterate reddit tranny faggots sounds convincing (same fags that love the NICE wood furniture!).
>>64867978>>64868018>For the trunnion, how else should they say itThey should just stop pretending they make guns, but baring that, if they wanted to be honest they should spell out the truth, which is that while billet stock itself is forged, when you machine a part from billet stock you do not end up with a final part that has the same geometric relationships between wear and pressure bearing surfaces and the internal grain structure as you do when you finish machine a true forged part. They should then explain that CNC machining billet stock they get from a foundry is much cheaper for them than actually buying hammer forges that make true forged parts, and because they're a civilian spec small volume manufacturer, they have neither the capitol nor market to justify (financially or ethically) the procurement of real tooling. They then should remind everyone (as I try to do) that real AKs used by actual militaries make use of true forged parts (now that all the normie idiots understand the physical distinction). >catch all termForged billet would be fine to say, so long as they make it clear the parts are not true forgings like real mil spec AKs. But they're not going to do that, because they're making fine money paying 2nd world poles potato pennies while fag welfare state US trannies spend their unemployment on guntoys. >it does feel sneaky, but I can't attribute maliceSure, I'm not even attributing much malice. Watch the videos. I attribute cuck fag euro stupidity more than anything. >just like the originals Now that is either a lie, or they're fucking stupid and have no business making/selling you a tool that is meant for killing, true 2A yada yada
>>64868018>Nova Modul was a commercial companySure. I don't care and they only make 9mm ghetto blasters anyways.Not sure tyreeq cares either.>but do it shoot doe?I do kinda want a "Gepard at home" though.
>>64868018>How many is a fuck ton?I don't count how many rounds I shoot but a few thousand and never taken the can off, never had an issue. I even bought an extra firing pin that just sits in my grip after hearing people in here bitch
>>64868021Not the anon you were talking to. I agree with you true forgings are a stronger product. But also that Poland during their gommunism years would used forged billet trunnions when they couldn't keep up with production of actual forged trunnions. With that being said I don't own a WBP (got a Beryl instead) nor have any desire to since they seem shady by doing corpo wordplay that pisses me off. Plus there is zero guarantee that even if they are using forged billet they are making them to the same specs the Polish military wanted all those years ago. Thought of this before hitting post; I also fucking hate that they use weird sizes and dimensions on all their fucking parts so you are forced to use their shit with their shit. Fuck you WBP and your goofy ass bolt stem sizes and trunnion journals.
>>64867929>imageWorld of Guns in the nutshell
>>64866824thanks, i think its the same i foundotherwise, whats the best scope to put on a wum-1 ak ?its got the tigr / psl rail, but id like the "classic" stadimetric reticleif I put a dragunov or a psl scope, can I have issues with the drop or something ?
>>64865013he said there is only full size us made dracos which is easily googled to be proven false
>>64868395Ok, but those are 2 different model #s.That first post is a Romy made Micro, thus my confusion.
i come back after 10 hours and there's been a gripcock meltdown, /akg/ is so freaking back bros
>>64867726>could be explained by said shit billet trunnions and bolts losing headspace?where, i never hear about these cases
Kalash USA on the vendor page for "Space Coast Range Day"
>mfw my child is still shitting on WBPGood.
>>64867929My child, Nova Modul was around for a good while now. They're mostly known for their 9mm offering but i've been told by reputable sources that they're pretty decent for what they are.
>>64869041https://www.reddit.com/r/ak47/comments/1jvf4bo/4_years_of_failed_ak_purchases_wbp_556_accuracy/They're shit>>64869990>>64867955https://novamodul.com/about/>Our company starts its journey in 1994, in the town of Cugir, a town with a long history of firearms manufacturing in Romania. So far, our company remains the first and only weapons manufacturer in Romania that is fully owned by private citizens.NOPE af. NOVA Modul literally is just the Romanian WBP or similarly Romanian ISD. Commercial spec trash. NOT ROMARM.
>>64870439>They're shit>posts a leddit post shitting on a WBP and an Arsenal from a fagoid
>>64870439Calling others reddit trannies while linking to reddit posts in the same thread! lol, lmao
This is where wuggy claims WBP are only for tranny redditors>>64867726>WBP peddles trash to tranny redditors that don't know any better. Then here is where he links to a fucking reddit post himself in the same thread kek>>64870439please stop posting here you're a joke
>>64870688>Why do the attention whores stay around when I constantly give them attentionA conundrum, to be sure.
>>64870439
>>64870439>redditHey why did you buy follower conversions from a actual redditor? 3D printed reddit parts are a bit worse than "Commerical spec trash" I think
New AK19 video>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naE0t-X_si0
>>64871643
>>64870467>>64870647>>64870688>>64870902It can be the case that redditors are dumb tranny faggot casuals, and it can also be the case that reddit is the place where some significant number of WBPs owners might post about their shit ass 6-16 MOA "guns"... almost as if by virute of them being dumb tranny faggot casuals, they buy WBP "guns"... and ergo post about their shit WBPs on reddit... Really makes you think. Also it is precisely this sort of no true scottsman rhetorical fallacy that lets me know you're not engaging in an honest genuine conversation about the topic at hand. "You can't use reddit as a valid source to support an assertion since you called redditors names!"Like okay wow incredible argumentation. Very honest. Your toy sucks and isn't a gun.
>>64871699Okay but why did you buy 3d printed parts from a redditor? Why would you compromise the true purpose of the second amendment by putting less-than-commercial spec crap in your magazines? Could it be that you were more concerned with the aesthetics of the bakelite bois you paid $200 for? Guess its only okay when the tripfag champion does it.
>>64871708Ah well meaning honest intentioned rhetorical point. First of all, and most importantly, those followers were for a PSA 102 project, that by my own honest and forthright admission was a complete test of an unknown quantity with a high likelihood (and that eventually turned out to be the case) that the setup would be and was in actuality just a toy desk weight wall hanger, like all of its commercial spec brethren (WBP, ISD, Nova Modul, Pioneer etc) are. Secondly there are no mil spec 5.56 conversion followers. In that sense I was not making any "sacrifice" because there was and is no alternative for conversion followers. While I very well could have used legit circle 10 Bulgarian purpose built 5.56 magazines or other purpose built magazines, there isn't anything intrinsically wrong with pursuing aesthetics or fun, so long as it doesn't come at serious detriment to function, a detriment that if it can't be predicated theoretically from first principles analysis of metallurgy or engineering, you can reasonably test (to a certain degree) by actually shooting and evaluating the parts and gun, which is exactly what I did. And for what it it is worth, those followers performed flawlessly with no feeding malfunctions or other malfunctions of any kind for over 1500 rounds...in that same amount of time something involving the wear or shifting of metal in the actual PSA "gun" itself began causing catastrophic failues almost as if.... wait for it.... bolt and trunnions are subject to more wear and force than the mag follower? Almost as if adherence to mil spec standards is more important in the core components of the firearm than it is in parts that are routinely made of polymer or other thin sheet steel?Your "argument" is just wrong. Attempting to test and evaluate plastic aftermarket magazine followers for their genuine firearm applicability is not the same as blindly and in ignorance accepting machined form billet bolts and trunnions as good enough.
>>64871731you went on reddit and gave money to a redditor
>>64871737Okay you made me lol. May I ask honestly how old are you? Elder zoomer?
>>64871731>because there was and is no alternative for conversion followers. You could've bought any number of the milspec mags available but you wanted larp points so you bought 3d printed parts from a redditor
>>64871744I addressed the alternative of mil-spec mags in my post, but I'll reiterate the point by itself here since you clearly couldn't make it past a middle school reading and analysis class. I gladly and proudly will admit to prioritizing and pursing aestheics (5.45 shaped mags in a 5.56 AK), GIVEN that I know that until tested and evaluated, something like the aftermarket conversion followers absolutely could be a potential failure point and source of unreliability, which is why I set out to test and evaluate it.Magazine followers are a very different part that bolts/trunnions. The pressures, forces, and materials at work are completely different. The dimensions, tolerances, and engineering behind them are completely different. If you're trying to point out some logical inconsistency, you yourself are going to have to be logically consistent. That is how arguments work.
>still yappin
>>64870439You know nothing about NOVA, mama guevo. Stay silent my child before my wrath unleashes.
>>64871767This is way too many words to say: >I chose reddit over milspecI dont know why you keep saying it over and over again. No matter how you arrange the words the essence remains the same. There is no magical combination of words that changes it.
>>64871731>>64871767>reddit parts in /akg/>airsoft parts in /arg/
imagine consciously buying a psak
Anyone get a meridian 101?
>>64871994"No"
>>64872185Yeah I didn’t either, I’m just curious if they’ll be decent or not. I’m sure they will have niggers building rifles just like KUSA did.
Holy blogposting, NTA but how hard is it for trips to just say "I was wrong" and move on? Anyways here is a perfectly drilled out rear-trunnion long rivet and I feel like I should have bought a lottery ticket knowing how much runout my drill press has. That hole is pristine I tells ya
>>64872230WBP does use billet trunnions and cast bolts tho, its a certified reddit rifle ™
>>64872236>cast bolts thoread the thread. they don't. Can you idiots shut up already and quit shitting up the thread?>>64872230Nice job. The rivet is usually softer than the surrounding metal so the bit gets funneled into the hole. As long as you center punch it before drilling you'll be fine
>>64872265I’m not reading all that. The science is already settled.
>>64872288
>>64872297>machined from billet
>>64872305>billet =/= cast
>>64872315>goyim believing kikelantic liesNGMI
So I bought the 20 pack of those 40rd ac unity mags that was posted a few threads back. I was shooting my new M70 and I got around 30 rounds through when it started to fail to feed. I took the mag out and saw that the front fell off. Is this just because they are cheap mags or should I not be using them with this gun? [spoiler]I got the 20 pack of 30rd mags too i haven't tested them yet[/spoiler]
>>64872796Sounds like an issue with the mags. did you have to do any fitting to get the mags into the rifle? I had to file my Gen 2 AC unity mags to the point the metal reinforcements were no longer covered by the plastic. Not super confidence inspiring
>>64872806No they fit fine and it was running fine until the front fell offhttps://www.robertrtg.com/20-pack-40er-german-market-ac-unity-ak47-40rd-magshttps://www.robertrtg.com/20-pack-30er-german-market-ac-unity-ak47-30rd-mags
>>64872815mag issue
>>64872796>the front fell offwell obviously that isn't supposed to happen. Currently I assume the front of the mag is no longer in the shooting environment
>>64873204There's nothing out there just beer cans, shell casings, and the part of the mag that the front fell off but there's nothing else out there
Can't we all just get along?
>>64873475https://youtu.be/sH0Qda32IKM?t=32
>>64867491Prost
>>64873523prost wasr chad
>>64865030Bro I like your posts but you need to chill it with the WBP seething. We all get it, you don’t like them, they’re trash, Yadi-yadi. You need to cool it with the autism. It’s like your posts are 40% WBP seething and like 60% everything else. Could you just like drop the WBP seething numbers to 20%? Not even asking you to stop just to chill.
>>64870959>>64871643>>64871650I was reading hoping ether Trump or Russia would get their shit together and end the war in Ukraine so that there might be a sliver of hope we could get Kalashnikov Concern products imported for a couple of years into the US before democrats inevitably sweep the presidency, house, and senate in 2028 but at this point I’m pretty sure we’re going to have to accept that the future of the gun community is going to be AR-15 and AR-18 flavor-of-the-week products from here on out until semi-autos are inevitable banned. Feels bad I missed the golden age of guns.
just here to say my GF3 is more accurate and reliable than your overpriced commie bloc garbage. cope seethe and mald aktroons
>64873816>>64873823ok, troll
>>6487378840% is way too generous. He doesn't ever post here unless its to seethe
>>64873852its not trolling if both statements are true, tranny
Does any have any links to guides/videos on identifying different variants on soviet laminated furniture? Looking at pictures for sale online, some have stocks with side swivels and other with it on the bottom.Same thing with soviet lower handguards where one would have a cut-out and hole in the middle and other just smooth flat?
>>64873807>I was reading hoping ether Trump or Russia would get their shit togetherbootlicking niggerhands typed this post and revealed yourself as a slave to israel. Post your own guns w/timestamp
>>64873944
>>64873807unfortunately, when it comes to sanctions imposed by the US, it will never be lifted. the only way to get around it is a third country to import them to the US. India is currently mass producing AK-203s, so maybe in the near future we might see them getting into the US with some traces of feces
>>64873944All laminate wood AK buttstocks that don't have the lightning cut are for AKM. The ones with swivel on the bottom are the earlier ones, the ones with the swivel on the side are later ones. AK laminate wood with the lightning cut is for AK74
>>64874251how many people are building krinks here? I swear I've seen 2 or 3 different people
>>64875467Thanks
>>64875629I don't rightly know. I just like 74s man. They're neat.
>>64873475I miss these days. Ever since the namefaggots came it changed.>>64873807Youre too negative, they wont sweep in 28. Its going to work out anon. Be patient.
>>64876041>>64873475we mvst retvrn
>>64876230lmao this must be fake
>>64876378maybe
>>64873807Best I can do for ya. https://www.recreatorblanks.com/online-store/Firearms-c125246080I want an ak15
>>64877291the gas tube lever being off bothers me so much fix it FIX IT FIX IT
>be me >have milled bulgerian ak47>want ak74>5.45 is rare and hard to come by>war in ukraine has no end in sight so former Soviet countries will continue pumping out ammo for stupid warFeelsbadman.jpg
Is there any way to find bayonets for the 100 series or is that not possible anymore? Also, what's this talk of an impending ammo shortage? Something about copper for data centers and the explosives plant in Tennessee that was blown up? Anyone know anything about that?
>>64876041> NM and VA about to pass AWBs. implying the moment democrats get power anywhere they won’t try and implement this shit is a pipe dream, they know it’s to difficult to enforce this shit at the federal level so they’ve wizened up and are banning them on the state level. They know scotus won’t touch state level AWBs with a shit covered 10 foot pole. It’s really ingenious because nobody sees it coming and it8s not getting any attention ether.
>>64877971it's abundantly clear that everyone apparently thinks banning 90% of guns for tens of millions of people on a state level is 100% ok but once you go federal that's a grrr big no-no.cock-sucking-anti-gun-subhuman faggots.
>>64863600Grim.
>>64878730>got busted with 2 AK stocks in check on>charged with smuggling weaponsMy AK stock sets just got more valuable.
>>64878730We have gotten away with it if it was just the hanguards and the grip?Also let say if I paid a trip to go to russia where would I go to buy ak furniture?
>>64878730Free our boy.>>64879187Wait till the war is over
What AK mag is this? got in a yard sale
>>64879589
>>64879589Wieger STG 940
>>64879589>>64879591Looks like a Valmet 5.56 magazine.
>>64879620This is what a Valmet mag looks like.
>>64879607>>64879620thanks any ideas what it's worth?
>>64867775>>64867779Could not help but notice that your detractors specifically did not reply to these two posts. Curious.
>>64876543Honestly not a bad price all things considered it’s probably about 2k for an AK-12 gen 3 clone provided they actually produce the rest of the parts they are promising (AK-12 gen 3 furniture and ambi-selector). What are the odds it’s not dogshit?
>>64879745~$100
>>64879798Thanks but I think it may be different and not a Weiger mag, the lines on the sides of mine don't go down nearly as far as pictures of Weiger mags like that one
>>64879814It's not the ribs, it's the floorplate that shows it's a Weiger.
>>64879821thanks, strange how some of them have lines that reach all the way down and some have lines that stop half an inch above the floorplate
>>64879823Not really. Just variants.The Chinese 20 rounders have a few different rib configurations, for example. 3 rib, 2+2, 2+1, etc.
>>64879589woah dont point guns at yourself sonny
I wonder what poster got jailed
>>64880351Hopefully WGWS so we can finally be free from him shitting up /akg/ and /arg/.
>>6487596574s and 5.45 rifles in general are Aryan coded, AKMs and 7.62 AKs are brown coded. Simple as.
>>64880372how are 9mm AK's coded?
>>64880627Hmm… Not quite sure. I’d say they are the Japanese of AK variants, honorary Aryan coded. Not quite as cool as 5.45 AKs but definitely still a vibe.
It seems more worthwhile to just get a WASR 10 under folder instead of a 12.25" Draco. I guess the trade off of 4" additional inches for a compact true rifle, like the 4 inches isn't really changing anything dimension wise. What do you all think?
>>64880748The extra length is not that bad in my opinion unless you plan on running it suppressed.
>>64877662Push on MFGs to do 300blk and 5.56 guns. That is what I'm doing. If Meridian could do a quality CHF CL lined of 5.56 and 300blk guns, Krinks, 102s... that would be so sick. >>64880369>shitting up>high effort on topic posting>occasional coy and balanced socializing and banter>technical discussion and original contentokay.jpeg>>64880748>12.25" DracoWhere are you getting a true PM md. 90 length Draco? AFAIK those weren't consistently made nor imported. I hate how UF feel. Unironically a careful gunsmith could potentially chop, recrown, and thread the barrel on this gun without pulling the barrel, or pull the barrel and do it right for maybe $150?https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1154274693
>>64880748Draco Underfolder
>>64880786>high effort on topic posting>occasional coy and balanced socializing and banter>technical discussion and original contentweird way to say absolute seething over narcissistic wounds, constant lying and Redditry projection behave yourself from now on
>>64880774Thanks, yeah that's what I've been considering as of late.>>64880786I might be mistaken but that is the advertised length that I see on Century Arms Draco listings for the full size version. I was the anon that was asking about a Draco a while back. I ended up getting a fixed stock KR-103 instead that I want to keep as it is, and have been reevaluating the Draco, considering alternative options. Something for travel/transport generally. A backpack gun if you will.>>64880788I think that's what >>64880786 was referencing with the link they posted.
>>64864946>>64868395>Century is still pretending their US-made dogshit is "in the same line" as the ROMARM importsSighI'll eat my words on that; I only looked under the "BFT47 Pistol" section on their website since I thought they wouldn't mix their dogshit in with the Romanian imports, but it's still blatantly obvious off of the listed name alone which ones are American or not. That one is listed as "US Micro Draco" on Century's website, not the same as "Micro Draco" for the Romanian import. They also look extremely different from one another (rail vs dust-cover-mounted rear sight, ribbed dust cover vs smooth, etc), so either comparing the pictures themselves or the listed name would solve the problem.
>>64880786Speaking of, why are the side folders so much cheaper than any of the other Century Arms WASR offerings? Seems like there has to be a change that's not readily apparent. Is it the gas length and barrel? Looks like a full size Draco with a longer barrel is all I can tell?
>>64867848Cool mags, anon
just wake me up when someone finally clones the svd (i will never escape my slumber)
>>64881911Well there's a few "clone" SVDs out there now, you're obviously just too poor.>inb4 you inevitably move the goalposts
We’re at 203 replies so to celebrate I’m posting some AK-203 facts that I’ve observed. Did you know there are at least three variants of AK-203? We’ll start with the first one I’m calling the “India contract” variant. In short, India ordered just under 1 million of these rifles from Russia in 2019. However, due to Covid and delay arrival of the rifles to 2021. From what I can tell collection cough concern was unable to produce the numbers. India had originally ordered due to the war in Ukraine, as such, they signed a contract with India to allow them to tool up and produce clones of this rifle. The ones we most commonly seen in India have older AK-103/74M stocks, likely because this was significantly cheaper to produce, then either of the newer stocks.
>>64882089> collection cough concern lol fukin’ autocorrect. Anyway the second variant is the one shown by Kalashnikov in multiple promotional media, this gun shares a number of parts from the first gen AK-12 (2018 model) such as the AR style buffer tube stock, FAB defense inspired pistol grip. There’s very little I could find on the Internet of these things being actually used by anyone outside outside of an arm show. All the ones being used by India are the ABOVE version.
The final period is the one shown on Kalashnikov’s website, it looks to include a number of improvements from the AK 12 GEN two and three. It features the integrated trigger guard/pistol grip combo, L shaped stock, and the AK12 gen 3 ambidextrous fire selector switch.
PSA Krinks likely have a non-standard bolt carrier in case anyone cares.I swapped out my piston today in order to start populating the rest of the barrel and discovered that an unmodified AKM bolt carrier will pass through the hinge block. The regular Krink hinge blocks have a diameter of 16 mm while the PSA offering is about 16.45 mm. I think that all of the PSA guns use an AKM/AK74 spec bolt carrier because the upper radius of those carriers is slightly larger than the krink. >>64882089>likely because this was significantly cheaper to produce, then either of the newer stocks.I wonder if its due to something like Indian body armor (or lack thereof) affecting their desired LOP. The Indians also have domestic SIG 716 production too IIRC so it would also make sense if they went with the option that can be assembled using tooling they already have
>>64882124Close up of the new ambi selector, interestingly the FIRST position is now semi-auto and the bottom/furthest out is full-auto. From what I’ve seen this fire control group also includes a block that rises in the safe position to keep the bolt carrier from moving backwards. This was done supposedly to keep the actions from accidentally cycling when firing an under barrel grenade launcher.
>>64882147Here is the block (wedge? IDK what to call it) if anyone is wondering, literally just slides up with the safety to block the bolt carrier. I wonder if this could create issues like say if you got debris in the receiver and it jammed this wedge upwards, could potentially lock your gun up. Maybe not. Would have to test it to see if it moves freely or if it’s locked to the fire control group.
>>64882159It must have some other function because of the scoop machined into it on the top. I wonder if its some kind of rate reducer
>>64882130Yeah, true kinks, as in AKS-74Us, have shortened pistons to accommodate the shorter length. This is not unique to PSA kinks it was done on Soviet era ones too.
>>64882173I don't mean the length I mean the diameter of the head the PSA is larger
>>64882169That would make sense, I also don’t see the typical L shaped AKM/74 style reducer on that FCG but then again it could just be the angle.Here’s a regular one for comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKhpy7NNQgc
>>64882185>>64882173this dimension in case anyone gets confused
>>64882191Ah, I see. I wonder if that was done so they could use a generic size for both their 16” and krinks? Not sure otherwise. I know Soviet era AKS-74Us and full size AK-74s required different assembly lines, one of the reason Kalashnikov worked to create the 100 series prior to his passing was so all the variants could be produced on one assembly line.
>>64882203>Ah, I see. I wonder if that was done so they could use a generic size for both their 16”Yes that is my assumption as well. I don't think its bad or anything, just thought it was interesting enough to share for anyone who might consider using their parts. Regular AKM/AK74 carriers often don't fit through krink blocks so PSA is an option for this case provided you are okay losing out on chrome lining.
>>64882130Could also be something like maybe they had the casts for the polymer stocks and just decided to stick with those instead of R&D ing a new one. All the ones I’ve seen pictures of in India have the older folding stock.
>>64880786>>12.25" Draco>Where are you getting a true PM md. 90 length Draco? AFAIK those weren't consistently made nor importedare you trip fags so fucking stupid and such fucking faggots that you get the trip? Or do you get the trip and become a fucking retard after?
>>64880844>backpack gunhttps://www.gunbroker.com/item/1153716171$657, real CHF CL barrel real true forged trunnion, bolt, carrier etc. Made in the real ROMARM Cugir factory. Just pay a decent gunsmith $125-$175 to chop and rethread the barrel and open the gas port up a bit. KNS piston, suppressor, red dot, sling, light. Done. Excellent gun. >>64881700Good question I really don't know. Supply and demand? Looks weird to people? I mean if you're a normie casual you probably don't understand how sick the romanian side folders are. >>64882130Sorry not following. Can you provide more context and explain further please?>>64882626>this fucking mad>REEE HE HAS A TRIPLook dickhead bitchmad nigga. Look at the picture you posted. Now look at the picture I'm posting. Inspect the gas tube carefully. They're not the same. My rifle has a longer gas system. Real PM md. 90 guns have 12" barrels actually, not 12.25"My gun for example has a 12" barrel. Look at the picture of the Draco and its gas tube. It does not look like a 12" barrel, it is not a 12.25" barrel.
>>64882626I've been digging on this for a while, but I'm almost positive that there has never been a "Draco" gun with the same barrel length (12") and gas system length (piston primarily) as the true Romanian military PM md. 90 guns and PM md. 63 AIMR guns. It is a fine point of nuance that a buttmad angry dumb redditor like yourself is liable to miss or just not be aware of to begin with.I was digging on this more thoroughly when I was trying to figure out what KNS Piston to get for my PM md. 90 kit build. KNS makes pistons for both the full size and micro smashed and slammed bully alien Draco, but neither of those pistons are the same length as a true PM md. 90 or PM md. 63 SBR piston. I know because I measured with calipers. The barrel lengths are different, and if you look at the gas tubes carefully, you can see they're different too.
>>64880748>It seems more worthwhile to just get a WASR 10 under folder instead of a 12.25" Draco>>64880786>>12.25" Draco>Where are you getting a true PM md. 90 length Draco?literally nobody mentioned a 12 inch you stupid retard, he asked is he should buy a draco or a uf. Literally nobody asked about your gun
>>64882737>stupid retardAgain, why are you so mad? Angsty highschooler tier. We'll run it from the top. Anon's first post:>>64880748>get a WASR 10 under folder instead of a 12.25" DracoImplying that there is such a thing as a 12.25" Draco, to which I responded:>>64880786>Where are you getting a true PM md. 90 length Draco? AFAIK those weren't consistently made nor imported.Because as I've been explaining, true PM md. 90 and 63 AIMR guns have 12" barrels and the associated gas system length including unique piston and gas tube, and such component and dimensions are not and have not AFAIK been shared by anything that has ever been imported as a "Draco". You then responded:>>64882626Unfortunately it was rather nonsensical in terms of actual text, but with a screenshot of a product called a "Draco" and with the spec listing it as having a 12.25" barrel. You were too busy foaming at the mouth with upset due to your projecting perception that by tripping I'm somehow as arrogant and self centered as you are, so you didn't actually formulate an argument in your post, but presumably between calling me a stupid fucking faggot retard, and posting the image of the ostensible proof of a 12.25" barrel length "Draco" your point was that I am wrong (and how dare I have the hubris to both be fallible AND trip at the same time, when you're so humble so as to not trip due to your wholesome awareness of your own fallibility) to say that there is no such thing as a true PM md. 90 or 63 AIMR 12" barrel "Draco" imported. To that I responded:>>64882677>>64882690These posts contain pictures of not one but two different true Romanian PM md. 90 kit builds which make use of actual PM md. 90 components with corresponding unique gas system length dimensions including the piston, gas tube, and barrel at 12"Inspect the pictures carefully and you'll see there is a clear difference in the gas tube, gas system, and barrel length vs the picture you posted, and any "Draco"...
>>64882737It truly is concerning (but rather consummate perhaps with you being an unhinged reddit tranny) just how disconnected from reality you are, up to and including your own actions. For example you just said:"literally nobody menionted a 12 inch you stupid retard", except anon's original post:>>64880748He says "under folder instead of a 12.25" draco"Even more ironic in your second most recent post here:>>64882626You yourself posted an image where you highlighted "features a 12.25"" barrel. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming that your hissy fit is not over this 0.25" difference, but I guess that is possible given how poor your reading comprehension likely is given how insane you're behaving, so I'll walk you through the reading analysis. If you read my original post responding to anon carefully...>>64880786You'll see that I didn't actually call out a specific barrel type. That is because clearly the issue we're dealing with here is that there is some confusion in just how long these barrels are for these different guns. What I did call out though is the point that I'm still standing by, and hoping to help you understand, that all the imported "Draco" guns came with barrels, pistons, and gas tubes and gas system lengths not equal to and actually shorter than the barrels, pistons, gas tubes, and gas system lengths of true military PM md. 90 and 63 AIMR guns. You can see this for yourself by jst inspecting the images posted in this thread carefully. Sweet dreams anon. Mad ass bitch nigga.
>>64880748The underfolder is a more complete package but the draco is awesome too, I guess neither has a stock to write home about out of the box
Anyone tried out the chefur mount? Im about to give it a go
>>64882782>>64880748>WASR 10 under folder instead of a 12.25" Draco>>64880786>Where are you getting a true PM md. 90 length Draco?can you explain this reply and ill leave you alone. Like genuinely who mentioned a pm 90?
>>64882768>>64882782Calm down lil bro.You don't have to double or triple post when you make your responses. Calm down and collect your thoughts into a single post instead of posting a wall of text everytime. >>64883049>Like genuinely who mentioned a pm 90?Nobody did. He's just nostalgic about the time he made having one his entire personality
>>64883049>explain this replySure. It is a common misconception that the full size Draco is equivalent to a PM md. 90 or 63 AIMR, at least as the front end is concerned. This is understandable given that the front combo sight gas block is the same, and that what you're looking at in both cases is a short Romanian AKM. It also is understandable given that I'm pretty sure the actual difference in length between the full size Draco and a true romanian military spec PM md. 90 or 63 AIMR is like 0.75"-1.0" or so. You either have to look carefully at pictures and inspec the gas tube area closely (as I've been explaining to you), or you need samples of both in front of you along with the ability to measure barrels. Alternatively if you have samples of both gas pistons, you can measure and compare that way, or as I did, if you have a true PM md. 90 or 63 AIMR gas piston, you can compare its dimensions to the dimensions for the KNS gas pistons which are listed for the Draco options. The conclusion is 1) That the full size Draco (and obviously the mini and micro Dracos) are shorter than a true military dimension spec PM md. 90 or 63 AIMR, and that 2) Century and other vendors/dealers/distributors are mistaken when they say that the full size Draco has a 12"-12.25" unless true PM md. 90 or 63 AIMR guns actually have like a 12.5"-13.25" barrel, which we know they don't. Anon didn't mention a PM md. 90 or 63 AIMR, because he likely isn't aware of the distinction, or is under the "common misconception" I describe above. Given that he himself called out the Draco as being 12.25", it seems that he is likely subject to the common misconception that the Draco has a 12-12.25" barrel (a misconception born out of the true mil spec dimensions PM md. 90 and 63 AIMR having 12" barrels). You do realize that someone can bring something up, even if it isn't explicitly mentioned or asked about, especially if it seems some parties are ignorant to the topic? That is a conversation...
>>64882866Could you measure your barrel using a dowel or alignment rod. I'll do the same and we can compare. Maybe while you're at it could you measure the working distance of your gas piston?https://knsprecisioninc.com/content/KNSAKPistonFAQ.pdf>>64882899I haven't tired the Chefur mount. Are you looking for something Krink specific? I have the Attero Arms rear sight leaf mount and it is solid IMO. >>64883058>wall of textYou're part of the downward trend in literacy and intellectual capability among Americans that is destroying this country. Congratulations. If you can't stand to read a few paragraphs about fucking guns, what presumably should be a topic of passion and genuine interest, you ought to reconsider your subjective perception of the threshold for what you consider "effort" and "work". >single postAh yes, because short format communication is what gave rise to our constitutional republic and all great civilizing trends in the history of humanity. Fucking untermensch. >just nostalgic about the time he made having one his entire personalityStop projecting your own overly simplistic ego driven existence and perception onto others. First of all, I've had two PM md. 90 builds. Secondly, this is about determining in terms of objective facts the quantitative real world historical and contemporary differences between firearms... you know, real /k/ shit, with nuance and detail you're too stupid/lazy to appreciate.
Dracos (full size) do not have 12"-12.25" barrel lengths. Real military dimension spec PM md. 90 and 63 AIMR do, but full size Dracos appear to have 11.5" barrels. You can also see this difference if you look closely at the gas tube area. It is a little silly that vendors and distributors list it as a 12.25" barrel length, especially given that this sort of technical spec I'm pretty sure is one of the more stringent legal aspects of importation.
>>64880748All this being said, have you fucked with an under folder UF vs a wire stock side folder (not a Crutch folder even though Klayco calls it that, he is wrong, crutch folders are the Egyptian folding stocks)?IME UF suck bad. Super slow to deploy the stock and stow it. Non standard rear trunnion means you have less modularity and capability to swap in other stocks. Super uncomfortable. Way more bulky IMO. Precludes a side optic rail. The wire folders IMO are quite nice functionally. Deploy and stow quickly, work well. I truly think one of the best deals right now in AKs are those real fabricat in Cugir "para" rifles that come with the wire folder and combo front sight gas block and truly just need a barrel chop and thread and maybe gas port opened up to be made into a solid folding AK. The base gun starting at ~$660 is pretty fucking sweet. Real CHF CL barrel, real forged trunnions, carrier, and bolt etc. Yes the gas system, and piston aren't true historical PM md. 90 or 63 AIMR dimensional spec, but it looks decently close, and the upside on the cost and functionality of such a setup IMO far outweighs the historical/military inaccuracy. Picture related is one of these full size Draco length gas system guns, not equal to a true PM md. 90 or 63 AIMR spec. Looks decent IMO.
>>64883341>You're part of the downward trend in literacy and intellectual capability among Americans that is destroying this country. How’s this for you literacy:>jarvis, rewrite WGWS’s post to make it more educated.
>>64880748>>64883382And here is a picture of a true PM md. 90 or 63 AIMR length gas system spec gun.
>>64883311This paragraph is good though, Jarvis said you did good.
>>64883389>How's this for you literacy:>Improper use of pronoun vs what should have been a possessive pronounPottery. Literally can't get a single sentence right. Instead of spending your time generating your cute little quip image, why didn't you instead do a little of your own digging on the Draco barrel length question? That way you could maybe arrive at your own justified true belief (knowledge) on the matter, and as such contribute to the joint human effort of discerning meaning from chaos (burger king)? Oh that is right because you're likely a demoralized useful idiot untermensch. Great.
>>64883389>>64883400Jarvis nooooooooooooo stop inflating his ego it’s already too big!
>>64883407>bro telling me how to spend my time while we both shitposting on 4cucks.True poetry.
Thought he was gonna calm down a bit after his break but he's right back to seething 1.5 posts later Did he get bullied out of /arg/ or something? Is this really the only place he has?
>>64883407>>64883382>>64883341>>64883311This is reddit but with slurs
>>64883517>did he get bullied out of /arg/He's been hovering around in a few generals (/arg/, /akg/, /brg/ that I'm aware of) for the better part of a decade "depending on his interest" (paraphrasing his own words).The last I was aware, the /arg/ tripfag circlejerk decided they didn't like him one day, someone posted proof he had a head injury at some point to mock him and they all dogpiled on it to bully him out of the thread, and I haven't been back there to see if it's changed at all since (like 2018?).Now I see that he's STILL here with his "hey I have a PM 90 guys, aren't I so cool?" shtick he's been doing since then. At least he stopped posting about his E.German handguard in every other post, but he clearly still has and uses it since it's posted in this thread by him.>t. have "can't forget details" autismBefore you (you) me Wuggy, I'm not going to reply to you.We're all here to talk about AKs and slavshit gear; more of that, less shit-flinging about grammar.
>>64883763Wuggy is gay as fuck and I can’t wait until AKs lose their luster for him and he leaves us alone, and I say this as someone who agrees with him about WBP. Please return to /arg/ and reddit wuggy, no one wants you here.
>>64883763>>64883517>>did he get bullied out of /arg/Yes. In fact, they bullied him for his AK's too. They made pic rel back in 2019. he is known for cludging parts together and fucking up warranties >>64884108he's been fucking them up for a while
he's the "pm-90" that someone else had to fix because wuggy is a max dunning-kruger
fuck off retard. maybe you wouldn't fuck up your guns if you didn't have legit brain damage
>>64884108I think its fair to criticize WBP for certain things (that's never been my problem with him) but WGWS constantly lies about things thus shitting up the conversation. Its not just WBP he lies about but any manufacturer that isn't featured in his individual arsenal. Even Swissfag takes swipes at him for being ignorant about Romanian stuff sometimes
>>64883407>>64883382>>64883341don't mind me I'm just gonna post these
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I thought swissfag was bad. holy shit. WGWS is a fucking tard fr fr
>>64883419Ew what is that font, boomer alert!
>>64863600retard questiongot my first AK today, disassembled it easy enoughhad trouble getting it back together, bolt carrier group and dust covermy question is, as long as it's back together and function tests fine, am I overthinking it?the dust cover especially made me question if I was putting it on rightbut it's on there
>>64884604What part specifically were you struggling with? It's rather retard proof by design, watch someone else do it on video if you really aren't sure.The dust cover is only held on by the recoil spring and a little groove in the rear sight block to keep tension. Make sure you put it into the rear sight block slot first, then "hinge" (not really but the same motion) it down over the recoil spring, which will depress until the tail of it locks into the square dust cover cutout.
>>64884604>am I overthinking it?Sounds like it. Take it apart and put it back together a few more times if you're unsure. At the very least you'll be familiarizing yourself with disassembly/reassembly.
>>64884617hardest part was getting the bolt carrier back into the guide railsturns out I had it just a little too far forwardand with the dust cover, I was trying to slide it under the lip and on the bolt carrier instead of the lip under the rear sight itselfjust retarded stuff a retard would do the first time he's handed something he's unfamiliar with
>>64884639The guide rails for the bolt carrier end like 2/3 the way through the receiver, you have to insert the carrier in the space between the rails and the rear trunnion and then push it forward onto the rails. Look into your receiver when the gun is taken apart, it'll make a lot of sense where and how you're supposed to insert it. Same for the dust cover, just take a look at everything when it's apart and together to see how it's supposed to go.The AK is a bit more "self evident" in its features than most guns, you'll get used to it.
>>64884661yeah, I just disassembled/reassembled it and it only took a minute or twoI was just being retarded, thanks for talking me off the ledge
Chinkanovs at Atlantic, $10k with optic.
>>64884130Why does he love Romanishit so much? Doesn’t he know Romanian AKs were/are considered the garbage bin of Warsaw pact AKs? I think the only one’s considered shitier in quality are certain variants of the Hungarian AKMs and newer made Chinese guns. They’re only popular in the US because they’re cheap and reliable for the price but everything else on them is sub-par. The quality control, while better than American guns is not great, I own one WASR with fucked barrel/headspacing (if you shoot literally ANYTHING other than Wolf, Red Army Ops, or Red Army Standard the spend casings will get stuck in the chamber and you have to step on the charging handle to eject them.) The finish on every WASR and Romanian AK I ever seen has to be the worst finish anyone could put on a gun, maybe only topped by East German guns in how quickly it wears off/rusts. I’ve know people who’ve have misaligned front sights, that one seems common, the magwells on US guns are like way to wide or way to small, never consistent between 2 guns. If I was going to be an autistic spaz namefag I would choose a better manufacturer to obsess over.
>>64884572My eyes are old kiddo, that font’s easy on the eyes, also reminds me of the good old days (1990s).
>>64884604Literally just dry fire and cycle your AK a couple of times, (full stroke that bitch too, don’t be nice to it.) if your dust cover doesn’t pop off then you’re golden.
Should I bake? I really wanna bake cuz I’ve got a killer OP image but I’ve never done it before and im nervous sempai.
>>64884769Well since we've hit image limit, feel free.I didn't have anything particular for the next thread anyways.>I’ve never done it before and im nervous sempai.It's fine. Not like it hasn't been goofed up before.
>>64884672was just about to post this. How did Atlantic Firearms get them?? It says they're new production, not unless I read that wrong
>>64884866New Old Stock, perhaps Albania or Iraq?
>>64884893>IraqI thought all Iraq had was yugo aks?
>>64884930Iraq made a direct copy of the M70, it's the same rifle minus some things but it's not actual Yugoslavian AKs
>>64884930Iraq had small inventories of Type 56s prior to the Iran-Iraq War and captured a good amount from Iran during it, as well as buying literally anything they could to re-arm after Desert Shield, and Yugoslavia wasn't selling anymore because of the whole "Yugoslav wars" thing, so they had to go to China or the former USSR states instead. Those guns are most definitely Albanian or Swiss commercial though because B&T is the importer. If they were commercial to Switzerland, then it's just a case of "country of origin washing" like those "Hungarian" SVDs a few years back.
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