Handgun General - /hg/ - #1724 Tactical in the 90's edition.Guide: https://files.catbox.moe/9g5sv2.pdfPastebin: https://pastebin.com/gs6mLNikPrevious: >>64865543
>>64871958That gun looks like it's probably utter nonsense on the inside.
Reminder, the point of 9x19 is for magazine to compensate for the ballistic inferiority
All handgun rounds suck until you get to magnums, carry what you like shooting the most and can feasibly reload in a decent amount of time. Anything more than 5 shots plus a reload or 2 should be more than enough for any self defense situation given you're being intelligent. I like 9mm micros because they're the biggest round that stacks well in small mags and has good economic self defense loads.
>>64871967Let’s see your bill drill
>>648719673 shots of 9mm or 1 shot of .44 magnum. Whatever floats your boat. There have been people shot 20 times with 9mm and survived. There probably would be people hit 6 times with 44 and survive too, if people actually carried it
>>64871983There's been multiple cases during the 70s-90s where a guy would eat 6+ rounds of .44 plus some .38s and .357 magnums and still be able to fight back.
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>>64871983>There probably would be people hit 6 times with 44 and survive too, if people actually carried itMy man there are men who survived getting hit with multiple rifle or machine gun rounds in wars and people who dropped to the pavement after getting hit with one .22LR. It's part of the reason why obsessing over cartridge size is stupid and the thing to optimize for in carry use is>gun you'll consistently carry instead of leaving it at home because it's big and heavy>gun you can shoot well and make follow up shots withNot >Gun that is going to make the biggest hole
Is the TLR-1 worth the extra hundred or so dollars more than the harbor freight Braun light?
I really want a Ruger Blackhawk .357 but really have no need for it. Help
>>64872008Are they that much now? Dang I thought TLR1s were like $95
JEEEEEEEEEZZThat's more than I paid for my Steiner. How do they get off charging that?
Would it be silly to port and compensate at the same time
>>64872022Weapon light prices are full retard my dude. Niggas are out here spending $300 on lights for their pistols.
>>64872027Unless you're shooting +P+ The comp is just going to be extra weight. It will help but you're getting diminishing returns.
You should have a light on every gun.
>>64872042Nothings stopping you from putting the Harbor Freight Streamlight clone on your gun but unless you're going for povertycore drip its not gonna look nice in photos.
>>64871931>>64871852There should be a rule to just get glock as the first handgun. When you begin smoking, you buy a bic lighter, or bic mini. With handguns, the equivalents are glock 17 and 19.>>64872022They figured out that they don't need to be cheap, they just need to be cheaper than Surefire.
>>64872022A lot of them come with rechargeable batteries that have ports directly on the batteries themselves. So that’s something, they’ve also updated controls and materials across a lot of models, at least for Streamlight, Surefire is a rip.>>64872027If it’s for an insane super magnum, sure.
>>64872046Why? I only have a light on my home defense rifle. I'm rarely out after dark and I have a flashlight in my EDC anyway.
>>648720279mm MAJOR guns do it Insane sight block guns with a ported rib down the slide and then a huge comp
https://www.beretta.com/en-us/rebatesRebates are back for Beretta.
>>64872075Of course its Tax Return season
should I buy an 8" anaconda with the wood grips, x4 speed loaders and a holsteror a 590 spx with a rattler v2 thermal scope?
>>64872056I posted my response to everyone at the very end of the thread so I’ll put it here again That was essentially a list I came up with that are all somewhat compact and “smaller than a full-size service pistol”, and also not super tinyThey were what I was looking at for a very very first pistol to practice with before I get something more compact to dedicate to concealment and carrySmall enough to not be giant but big enough to handle easilyI do not want a striker-fired in the slightest (especially not a glock), and my thought on these was just irons for simplicity.Some of those smaller ones for later were stuff like the CSX (+E Series), PX4 Storm Compact, P30SK, Rami, CDS9, etc
>>64872127>I do not want a striker-fired in the slightestBased>(especially not a glock)GIGA BASED
CMP has .45 on sale, 29cpr shippedAR15.com has already been hammering it so it may go into backorder, but they kind of say they'll honor the price whenever it comes back in stockhttps://shop.thecmp.org/product/Ammo/AMC45F230-1000
Since I lost the sights for this thing and don’t like revolvers I threw this together to sell it. I need to sell it fast since this thing as actually kind of sweet with an SRO knockoff on it
>>64872135shit I just bought 1000 for 33cpr shipped like two weeks ago. Dang it.
>>64872151Same :(Doesn't stop you now though! :)
That ammo price spike really was a nothingburger huh. Probably just boomers panic buying because of Minnesota retards.
>>64872161Yeah, what does stop me now is that I was hoping to buy an EPS core when they are back in stock and am ordering a silencer for the Mark 23 this year...
>>64872055I'm trying to buy one of the Harbor Freight lights today. They've been consistently out of stock in my area, but the website shows them being available again. We'll see...I see no reason to shell out for a Streamlight or something else fancy.
>>64871966It's not. Pretty simple really. You can take it apart and easily put it back together. The main problem is you have to take off the rear sight to get out the mag disconnect and the fireing pin safety.
>>64872147>don’t like revolversYou'll be back anon. Eventually.
>>64872127Why ask for advice when you won’t heed it?
>>64872135Thanks, I'll get a box too.
>>64871958I got my inox last night bros. This gun is so sex it is fucking unreal
>>64872188I don’t know how to hold it with two hands, my support hand is awkward or too close to the forcing cone
>>64872127>all somewhat compact and “smaller than a full-size service pistol”, and also not super tiny>a very very first pistol to practice with before I get something more compactEssentially duty size.>I do not want a striker-fired in the slightest (especially not a glock)No reasons here, I get it.>my thought on these was just irons for simplicity.Hipsters don't get a fixie for simplicity. You do hate the meta. Commit CZ.
>ACKro
>>64872341It looks retrofuturistic
>>64872127just buy a p229 or p220 compact. P227 SAS if you are rich. DO NOT buy something with a Manũel safety for a ccw
I tried to shoot today, but it was so windy that my target stand was getting blown over in both directions. I shot 50 rounds and went home.
>>64871966You have to be 18 to post here.
>>64872135Thank you! Always appreciate the heads up
I'm thinking of getting the CZ Shadow 2 Carry. My first CZ, and first non-poorfag handgun.Will I regret this? Mainly for winter carry and to have a hammer fired semi.
>>64872542Just get a px4
>>64872542There is no reason that you need a gun because it’s from X brand The carry model is aluminum frame and the decocker trigger is reportably worse than the safety models. Is there any reason the Beretta 92 is not considered versus the carry?
>>64872366>DO NOT buy something with a Manũel safety for a ccwWhy? Are you incapable of being trained to flip a safety off during your draw without thinking of it? I've been doing it for over 10 years.
Don't engage with him, he's going to argue that you can't train around a safety.
You can train around safety, da/sa trigger states, iron sights, you can train fast reloads and cope with 8 round magazine, you can train to hold an off-weapon light instead of mounting one on the gun. You can train to do many things, but it's all ministry of silly walks material. You are putting obstacles in front of yourself, and then jump over them.
>>64872042Ill tell ypu what i told you in the other threead, once youve used ylur gun for more than a fucming fashion accessory, youll realize why it costs what it does.
>>64872659I have only owned manual transmission cars since I got my first one in 2006. I don't even think about it when driving, whether it be in traffic or ripping through gears as fast as I can. It's always people that can't drive that think a manual transmission is a difficulty. If you do something enough it becomes second nature. A manual saftey won't mean shit to anyone that actually trains. I did five years in the Marines and to this day I don't even think about flipping the safety off when I mean to do something with an AR. Just train.
>>64872563>>64872575I need an optic due to cross eye dominance, and it can't be too big either so nothing beyond 4" barrel. And super reliable of course.So I take it there is something wrong with the CZ Shadow 2 carry?
>>64872680>all anons r same personYou didn't tell me that in the other thread. Also, get it together, your typing is worse than a drunk boomer's.
>>64872707>I need an optic due to cross eye dominancelmfao no you don't. I'm cross eye dominant and just got my first pistol optic last year. I actually shoot better and faster with irons since I haven't had the time to train with it. They're not a silver bullet
>>64872712>They're not a silver bulletBut they are a major improvement. See the Sage Dynamics study.
>>64872728That's not up for debate. I'm telling you that cross eye dominance does not mean you "need" an optic. Whoever told you that was trying to sell you something.
>>64872022Unironically. They are good pocket lights. I use my Tlr1 more often for late night retrieving with the pooch than on my gun. Fits in my pocket and is bright enough to charge her glow ball instantly.
>>64872712>>64872736It's what I like to shoot with. It's easier and faster and I like to shoot with both eyes open. If irons is good for you, that's good for you.
>>64872740That is fucking cute, anon. Post a picture of her, please. Pay the doggy tax.
>>64872659Can you train around tight mags?
>>64872752>It's what I likenow you're saying something completely different. Before it was>I needYou don't
>>64872778Then it's what I NEED. Am I allowed to have what I need now anon? Would you like to fund it too?
>>64872754This was a couple days ago
>>64872820<3
My broomhandle shoots about a foot high at 10 yards. Talk me out of soldering a silvering a bead to the front sight with a jewelry kit.
>>64872829She is a good girl. To be honest, I really wouldn't carry my pistol much if I wasn't going out with her after dark all the time.
>>64872808Calm down dipshit. No need to get angry over it, I just don't want your stupid ass coming in here spreading misinformation like "cross eye dominant people need optics"
>>64872843Just smack the end of the barrel with a nylon hammer until it doesn't do that
Hit the range today, was a good time. Do not buy Troy ammo, that shit works but holy fuck is it inaccurate. Thought I was shooting like trash, then switched to cheap herters and instantly saw my groups shrink massively.
>>64872859I apologize, I was unaware I was conversing with the world representative of cross eye dominance. I thought I was just dealing with a huge faggot. A mistake that must happen to you a lot.
>>64872874A lot of the cheap 9mm ammo is a trap if you're not just a blaster enthusiast. I personally try to buy Federal/Speer when its competitive for consistency.
>>64872887My normal preferred ones are Fiocchi and S&B, I just bought a bunch of cheap ammo like a dumbass.
Undisputed handgun Rushmore. 1911, Glock 17, S&W m36, Hi-Power.
BERETTA'S BACK ON THE MENU BOYZ$100 card or $200 berettabux on rebate ($300 on 92X Performo)https://www.beretta.com/en-us/rebatesThat makes a 92FS or M9 $400 ladshttps://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/0082442816371https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/082442815503
>>64872923Perfect. The 92fs/M9 were the last classic pistols I want that I don't have.
>>64872904Replace the Smith with a Colt SAA
>>64872923>Planning on buying a Marlin Dark Series in 45-70 tomorrow>Was looking at a LTT p30 >Beretta drops the rebate shit insteadMaybe I should get an LTT px4 instead. FUCK
>>64872289https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCX9XIgWYhc&t=48s
What’s with the lack of infographs for /hg/? No tier lists, no /hg/ approved list, no recommendations, etc. Are infographs just for faggots?
>>64873040>gear queers and ARtards have infographicsYeah it's a fag thing
>>64873040Its because handguns largely are solved and its like buying a shoe, you should go and handle guns and find ones that find your hand and point well for you plus have the features you need.
>>64873048I only really browse /hg/ and the more obscure generals now but I think the infographs are nice for the newbies. Then again, /hg/ tends to be one of the more elegant generals with the same people so maybe being newfag friendly would fuck it up.
>>64872864How would that help? It’s a relined barrel so that might even break it?>>64872874Sounds like my self cast bullets >>64872904>glockBroom handle or FN1899 is way more foundational to modern guns
>>64872923is there anything worth buying with berretabucks or is everything on their store overpriced when your only getting 100 in product either way?
>>64873080
>>64873040You could go buy a used Taurus G2C and as long as you keep it maintained and train correctly and regularly, you'll be better off than 99% of gun owners. Nobody likes to hear that but it's trueSo the only real handgun tier list is: get off your ass
>>64873073Usually their stuff (other than clothing) is pretty overpriced. I'm not sure how long the funbux last, if they ever expire, but if it's possible to hold on to them until Beretta does one of their frequent 20-40% off sales, that would be the time to strikeThink of the berettabux like a 50% off coupon ($200 to spend instead of $100 real money). Magazines aren't 200% overpriced, so even now that would probably be a good use of it. But on sale, it would be killer
>>64873073>>64873135I got one of their sweatshirts and I think it's pretty good.
>>64873135>>64873138I've found HK's newer clothing to be solid, actually. Their old shit was trash.I have a 1301, maybe I should get a Beretta shirt to lift in or something.
>>64873156I actually just ordered this shirt to see how it was. 17 bucks so fuck it. I'll probably lift in it unless it sucks then I'll just shoot with it. Stunt on the poors.
>>64873200I don't think I'd walk around with a shirt that says "Shooting" on it unless I lived in a really rural areaThe only gun merch I've seen that I liked was a black and red Ruger baseball cap which was just the phoenix. I see a lot of Sig and Browning merch on hunters where I live
>>64873297>I don't think I'd walk around with a shirt that says "Shooting" on it unless I lived in a really rural areaCan't be any worse than my other 2nd amendment shit.
>go shooting with coworker>he's a revolverfag>let him try out my USP>manages to get it to stovepipe repeatedly when I've never had a single issue with it>let him try out my Staccato>ejects the mag 3 shots in and turns around confused while point the gun at me until he eventually understands what happened and bends over to pick up the mag, still holding the gun and muzzle swipping everyoneWhat the fuck is his problem?
>>64872843you need a custom holder for the mauser that has a smaller holster for the walther.
>>64872923I only own one Beretta, and I just tolerate it.
>>64872843Bro keep your african slave lookin feet out of the picture
>>64873297Not that anon, I'm >>64873156 but I live in a super red county in Texas adjacent to a major city. Every other person has a truck covered in gun stickers and gruntstyle shirts are everywhere despite most people working high paying white collar/professional jobs lol. A shooting shirt doesn't bat an eye.
>>64873409Some people have an anti-midas touch, where everything that they come into contact with turns to shit.Also, he probably has a weak ass grip.
>>64873409>What the fuck is his problem?you answered the question already>he's a revolverfag
WHY ARE ALL OF THE LATEST GEN BERETTAS FUNKY COLORS, I JUST WANT SUPPRESSOR HEIGHT SIGHTS AND A BLACK FRAME/SLIDE AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>64873447Weak ass grip might explain the stovepipping, but squeezing too hard would explain the mag ejecting. Go figure.>>64873448I guess so.
>>648726381. most people won't train that much2. a odd or unusual situation can still get in your OODA loop 3. if you carry with the safety off you are opened up to legal liability>>64872691yea but you would have a hard time driving stick if someone shot you in the right hand.>>64872707it literally makes no difference what dominant eye you use for a handgun. Keep both open tho. An optic is still beneficial but has nothing to do with eye dominance>>64873063is that a k38?>>64873440is HK paying you to advertise for them? I wouldn't be a walking billboard for free.
>>64872923Really thinking about grabbing the 30x
The P226 is an amazing pistol and I should have gotten it years ago
>>64872923>just got a 92fs clone thats nickel plated>just polished & installed LTT trigger bar>have black lagoon grips & a custom order placed for an extended, triple ported barrel>ordered custom magazine basepads with jolly rogers on them to match the revy pistol theme>now theres a rebate for a real 92fs inoxbros, im really tempted to buy another beretta & make another sword cutlass before this one is even complete, it seems kinda sick to be able to larp as a john woo movie character
>>64873705question about the 92x you ahve there, do you need the flared magwell to get a solid grip on the gun or is good without it as well?ive seen people say the grip is too small online and havent had the chance to actually hold one in person but ive been tempted to get it
>>64872923does this work for M9A4 OVERLANDING LUNAR?
>>64873759its fine without it, but I do use the magell as a bit of a wedge.
shoot qual. B16 target can be used at 25 yds in place of 50yd
>>64873695Nah, I just thought the shirt looked cool (for once, like I said their apparel looked like dogshit prior) so I grabbed one on sale. Which is odd, considering I hate graphic tees or whatever, but I like it for lifting and such.
>>64873763I can't confirm, I wasn't able to find a list of SKUs. However it does say "ANY M9A4" as opposed to the 92s which say "SELECT PISTOLS" so I would ASSume so
>>64873753>im really tempted to buy another beretta & make another sword cutlass before this one is even completeHow many Berettas do you see Revy carrying? There is your answer.
>>64873448Doesn't matter if he's a wheelgatfag if he's sweeping everyone.>>64873483
>>64872904Replace the model 36 with an M&P model of 1905 hand ejector, 4th changeReplace the hi power with a beretta 92
>>64872904>>64872938Agreed. Although I have a special place in my heart for the 23. 40 haters can eat a bag of dicks.
>>64872904I want to get a Chief's Special over a 642 or whatever the ultimate carry is just for the movie feels.
p30 LEM or DA/SA?
>>64873695>your OODA loopOh so you're one of those larpfags who listens to ex military podcasters and stuff, that explains it. Carry on sperging about how no gun should ever have a manual safety now that we know we can dismiss you outright.
>>64874270consider the fact that no one does LEM anymore.
>>64874389Nobody does two tone square bodies anymore either.
I can’t see myself putting a dot on my handgun even if I get one dot compatible.If I can hit fine with irons I just don’t think the extra money and hassle is worth it.Even if it is an upgrade I think the margins with handguns are slim anyway and it likely won’t matter at the end of the day.
Hello /hg/, I'm in need of some advice. I got the chance to get an old 1911, but I don't know how to check if it's worth getting or not. What's a tell tale or a red flag of said 1911 being in shite condition?
Is the M9A4 the best 92 for very experienced shooters? Is there anything the other models have over it?
>>64874429If you're a good shot with handguns it makes you much more accurate out to further distances. They're not mandatory but they make aimed shots trivial.
>>64874429Based and reasonable. I may try a dot on a pistol someday, just not one I would carry concealed.
One thing I think is slept on about optics is that they make tiny guns actually aimable past 20 feet. Some pocket pistols have a 25-30 moa front sight post so an optic allows you to carry a gun that will overall be smaller but still have peace of mind for any scenarios that take place further than bad breath distance.
>>64874429>>64874552If you're okay being 20% slower, that's entirely on you.
>>64874575>Slower by 20%By far and away an extremely wide margin the fastest to put the first shot on target are iron sights. Competition shooting does not translate to military, police or self defense shooting. While practicing in a competition style is great for familiarity, there is another step of training you have obviously skipped.
>>64874575>20% slowerHow do you figure? A dot isn't magic, it just takes sight radius out of the picture and gives a more precise aiming point. The gun recoils pretty much the same way with or without a dot. So if you can train to be fast with a dot, then surely you can train to be fast with irons. In terms of precision though, the dot obviously wins
Lol this is gonna be good we have a real pseud on our hands.
>>64874645In every shooting competition dot users are at least 25% faster It takes sight alignment out of the picture completely, the dot is where the bullet goes and shooting rapid fire you can literally track the muzzle under recoil and shoot as soon as it’s back on target
>>64874616You are talking completely out of your ass >>64874537LTT Elites are better
>>64874655>It takes sight alignment out of the picture completelyI guess I'm hung up on this. When you put your dot on target, is the gun not in the same position as if you had aligned your iron sights? From my understanding, with a dot you're doing the very same alignment of the sights, just with a simpler reference point since your sight picture is flattened into a single plane
>>64874667Yes, ignoring distortion from the lens which shifts the dot when at the edges of the window, the dot is where as if the sights are aligned. You aren’t doing anything or is the sight reference single plane, the dot is a laser beam projected into space that corresponds to where the muzzle of the gun is aiming. It allows for completely target focus shooting, the dot appears on the target; not on the gun. Noobs get hung up on the dot and stare at their red dot which is the wrong way to use it, you look at the target and if the optic window is aligned with your eyes you will see the dot on the target.
Are cz derivatives worth the time or should I just buy a h&k pistol?
>>64874682So the advantage of the red dot is that you can focus on the target, which remains more stable in your view than the dot itself, or your iron sights. And I guess if you're visually focused on something that's not moving like the sights under recoil, then it's faster to "line up" your next shot?
>>64874695You should buy a Beretta
What's up /hg/. I'm new to guns and am loving my Bodyguard 2.0. Question tho, do I ALWAYS have to really slam that mag in there? I know if the slide stop is engaged it goes right in, but I don't usually load a mag from that position.
>>64874724Yes, it also helps immensely for shooting on the move, target transitions, and moving targets
>>64874732they don't offer the m9a4 in black and usa made QC IS AWFUL
>>64874732I already own a beretta. Note I don’t have the Landon bar installed, but the trigger on the cz is vastly superior.
>>64872680Bingo.
>>64874616>>64874645The data disagrees with you. Cope.
>>64874755Langdon’d 92s are better IMO than firing pin block CZ with CGW parts, never got enough trigger time on a CGW or stock shadow 2 to compare but in the realm of aluminum and polymer DA/SAs the Beretta 92 and PX4 have the best trigger. The berettas have a shorter reset than the firing pin block CZs IIRC with the Langdon bar. HK DA/SA triggers are dog shit as Burt would say (he wouldn’t use those words) but CZ, Sig, Beretta all outshine them in every trigger metric
>>64874777Shut up faggot I'm learning here
>>64874794Then get over yourself and stop spewing your shitass know nothing takes. Shut up and learn.
>>64874724>>64874745You mechanically could shoot irons the same way a red dot can be used, complete target focus, but you rely on “muscle memory” and index a lot more but you don’t have the confirmation that a red dot gives you. A colored front sight would give a blurry point of aim as you focus on the target and not the front sight. I shoot irons like this because of how much I shoot red dots and it works but it’s not as precise or can I do it as accurately at speed. Like I’m capable of a sub 1s draw from concealment with both irons and a red dot, but I don’t have a clue where the bullet is going with irons but with a red dot I’ll see a flash of red on the target as I’m drawing before I shoot so I know I’m on target. I can wait to let the red settle as I stop moving or I can shoot immediately. That same settling can be done while shooting follow up shots, I can wait to see the dot settle back on my point of aim or I can shoot as soon as I see color near my point of aim. With a big enough window and low enough muzzle rise the shooter will see a streak of red up and down as they shoot.
>>64874793I’ll take your word for it. The cz was their turkshit no frills model. Caught my interest. I hope to post my 92 soon. Currently gotta dremel/sand down the Aimtech. Tried out an armalaser and ended up really liking it. Doesn’t 100% best out a mr11 adapter, but if you gotta have an optic, sacrifices must be made.
>>64874813The first guy was delusional, the second guy just doesn’t know whatever you’re not telling him about how red dots work
>>64874387OODA loop is just a fancy way of saying "reacting to the situation." I think they teach it to football players now. what if someone pushes you to the ground and you need to draw, or your gun falls out of the holster, or someone takes it and then you get it back. Are you 100% confident you will remember to hit the safety when its not a typical draw from the holster?
>>64874828Stock berettas can be easily improved with just a hammer spring change, the stock weight is like 20 pounds on the 92FS where doing down to a 16 pound is a big improvement (some of them come 16 pound stock), with a skeleton hammer like the elite 2 hammer you can go lower to 12-13 pounds depending on example which should net a 6 pound DA pull. With a trigger job polishing surfaces it should be below 6 pounds closer to 5. I had a PX4 at 4.5 pounds but 1/1000 times it would fail to penetrate a primer (if I used softer primers it would be no issue). But I raised it to 5 pounds with a new hammer spring and it’s been reliable.
>>64874738With any autoloader when the slide is forward you are compressing the bullet stack against the bottom of the slide. With the slide open you are not fighting the magazine spring.
>>64874655>In every shooting competition dot users are at least 25% fasteryou are wrong
>>64874850Pull up all the classifier stages and average them. The one I saw that on most stages dots were 25% faster If irons are only 3% slower, than surely this will be reflected across the average. Why even have different classes if irons aren’t meaningfully slower
>>64874836Yeah, hammer spring is already done. I’m happy with where it’s at but likely going to do the Langdon bar eventually. I trust betetta qc a lot more than cz. I hear tangfolio’s are the only way to go now but even that doesn’t inspire confidence
>>64874777Show the data. Everything I have seen shows first shot time is demonstrably faster with iron sights. Same with shotguns. Hence the single front bead of short fast use shotguns.sounds like you are just basing your opinion on sport competition shooting and not real world results and training. "Glass" on pistols and shotguns is a joke that spiraled out of control
>>64871958When I got my concealed carry permit and every time I go to the range I have to sign a waver that, among other things, says I don't smoke weed.If I go buy weed in New Jersey from a dispensary, how fucked am I? Will they keep a record and get an instant felony next time I go to the range?
>>64874858>do hours of statistical research to prove me wrong on the internetbest I can do is one other courseHF of 8 on "we lost zero or hero"
>>64874905Simple solution: don't go to New Jersey and don't smoke weedActual answer to your question: I don't think it would be an insta-felony, but it seems like something easily checkable so why on earth would you want to risk being able to lawfully possess and carry your gun?
Tell me why I shouldn't get this for $290. Is it a POS like the 21a?
>>64874934>do it yourselfWhat do they mean by this?
Struggling to even show in sport comp shooting that glass is faster? Yes you are. Remember in competition sport shooting the speed of the first shot isn't a major factor in winning. So the Data that doesn't even shot a statistically verifiable difference doesn't even support your claim that irons are somehow not as good. The fact remains in draw and fire challenges, verifiable police shootings, self defense AND in practice fastest first shots are with iron using proven military techniques and training.
>>64874905drugs are badso don't do drugscuz then yer badmkay
>>64874834I know what it means, slappy. It's just something only tryhards and ex military podcasters and shit say.
>>64874930Yeah yeahGuess I'll have to stick to normal underground means or ask a family memberI just don't really like how I can't competitively shoot and toke up after work without committing a felony. Especially considering they are both perfectly legal by themselves. I'd obey the law if the law simply allowed me to
>>64874971what was this melty supposed to do for your argument?
>>64874939>Beretta advocates cleansing your city of undesirablesBased or based?
>>64874905The only form that matters is the 4473. Your range has no authority except to police their grounds. As it is now, the 4473 question may be changing soon.
>>64874986It's not an argument when you could not even provide data to support your own side. Considering numerous people have pointed out the times of average people using archaic pistols are light years faster than modern top level sport competition shooters on first shot hits it's under the label of common knowledge at this point. When a 12 year old girl is faster by half a second than the top level sport competition shooter and she isn't even ranked you need to reevaluate your opinion and training.
>>64874905>record of drug use>record of firearm possessionYeah, you're fucked.
>>64874986It means Beretta wants you to buy their gun and use it to KYS. Baffling marketing strategy imo, but let's see how it plays out.>>64874981Retarded loser.
bros I handled a staccato at the lgs today and it was smooth as fuck...I want one
>>64874905Weed should be illegal
>Finally got SP101>Only DAO revolver I own>Worst revolver trigger I ownIt's not bad, and it's getting better with dry firing, but I was expecting something more along the lines of my GP100.
>>64875118It is. Unfortunately this country lost the war on drugs.
>>64871983>Hur Dur Movie guns
>>64875118Druggies should be summarily executed
>>64874905Do you have a card that identifies you as a regular user of weed, a controlled substance from schedule 1, I mean, 3? No guns! But if you use it, like, sometimes, no big deal. Dispensary shouldn't keep history paperwork, but if you have to have a card to use it, then state has you on record.
>>64875119>DAOWhy though. Well, it's probably all those boomer clappas that think hammers snag that leg you astray. I heard you are supposed to polish and shim Ruger triggers to get good DA pull. Good luck!
>>64875154>>64875119yea its just laziness that they don't make a bobbed hammer which is just as safe but slightly more useful.
Carry Optics faster than Production, Rimfire Rifle Optics faster than Rimfire Rifle Irons, PCC Optics faster than PCC Irons, Rimfire Pistol Optics faster than Rimfire Pistol IronsNote that this is Steel Challenge, the most compressed shooting sport, where strings of fire are about 2-3 seconds. If optic-equipped guns were truly "slower to get on target" than irons, it would show up here, and yet optics guns are STILL faster. The gap only widens when you move to sports with longer strings of fire, such as USPSA/IDPA.
Moreover, another massive benefit of red dots is that they give you a lot more data when doing dryfire training. Ironscucks never mention this, because they don't practice in dryfire.
>>64875305I don't deny this, but >>64874655 said 25% faster which is wrong. its closer to 10%, and more like 5 in USPSA>>64875308I just use a mantis.
>>64875323>mantispffffffffffftttttt hahahahahahahha
>>64875305First shot hits are the only thing that matters. As stated over and over that you keep ignoring. Should we ignore the fact you clearly don't understand how the open class works and obliterated your point. Show me literally anyone in the world setting a first shot hit time with optics and I'll show you several dozen unranked people decimating that time with iron sighted revolvers and 1911s years ago. You are out of your element. The disparity between competition sport and training and actual practice for being in a shooting is worlds apart.
>>64874850Limited has Major scoring, Limited Optics doesn't. Despite this, Limited Optics still winning should be very indicative.
>>64875305Jesse harrison, millisecond molly all use iron in the open class. One would be a female who took everyone in the competition including the males. Odd how the best return to iron sights in a class that is fastest where you can literally use anything at all.
>>64872923oh hey, one of the other 4 people that got a 90DASHtwo.Lose the rail cover. Shit's gay
>>64875363Nigga cover up that rail, who raised you?
>>64875334The red dot guns hit the first shot faster, hence they're faster in Steel Challenge than irons guns. I've given data to support my side, and you've given nothing but supposition and fuddlore. You're getting really upset because you know you're overmatched.
>>64875323I saw a chart where it was 25%, I don’t really care enough to argue with some pseudo master shooter thinking that a first shot on target with irons is faster. When physically the motion to draw and shoot is exactly the same, I can hit sub second draws with my iron sighted guns, I just have no clue where the bullet is going and relying purely on technique and index instead of the flash of red I see on the target with my dot
>>64875358how about carry optics v production. even with unlimited mag capacity, (compared to 15 limit), trigger jobs, and 14 more oz, the difference is only about 12%.
So, just for shits and gigs, let's be scientific, and look at some results! Now, for these, keep in mind: typically, you get DOUBLE the penalty for hitting a C zone in Limited Optics shooting minor than you do in Limited shooting major. With that caveat in hand, here's an Area champs from last year. Tope Hetherington (top 5 CO shooter in the world) took fourth overall, second best pistol, shooting Limited Optics. Michal Stepan (second best production shooter in Europe, probably top 5 worldwide) took 20th overall, BUT, Stepan was shooting a 9mm Laugo, so he didn't have Major power factor. The delta between Limited Optics minor and Limited minor here: 150 points, or 9% overall. That's the difference between Michal's 20th finish and finishing 70th. btw.
>>64875369The evidence you gave showed to open class is the fastest. The open class includes iron sights, lasers, optics. A quick glance will show as stated at the top and looking at the times the iron sights are at the top. Just like in draw and shoot competition iron sights have scored .281 in draw to hit times in males and .314 in females. If course the male record is actually .16 in a competition. All worlds faster than anything happening with optics. >>64875375You shouldn't have to use your sights at all to hit a paper plate within 12 feet. If you do you shouldn't be giving an opinion on shooting until you work out why you can not. I know, but you need to break your own biases.
>>64875375yea that guy isnt me. IDK how you could claim red dots have a slower draw. It like saying Single action revolvers have the fastest draw because of those cowboy action hip shot guys.
Here we have another Area champs. Ashton Hammond took fourth overall and third pistol shooting Limited Optics. The first non-optics shooter is World Champ Nils Jonasson, who took 25th in Production. Nils was at a disadvantage here, because Prod guns have smaller magazine limits, and Nils, shooting Production, was obviously still shooting Minor PF. >>6487538712% is gigantic, dude. That's the difference between finishing first and finishing 25th.
>>64875368barn animals
>>64875119Yeah had this too. Got my step dads security six after he passed and I love it’s trigger, first gun I ever shot iirc. Hoped the sp101 would be like that but nope sadly. May just buy another security six with a three inch barrel and carry that. I’ve actually carried the one I have in an uncle mikes and honestly the only issue was the wide bottom grip that comes on them.
>>64875403all I ever claimed is that 25% is way off. obviously optics are a lot faster
Here's the first instance of a Major PF Limited gun going against a Minor PF Limited Optics gun. The LO gun won, but just barely. FWIW, I've never heard this this Limited Optics shooter, but Gianni Giordano is a national champ in IPSC.
>>64875363I'd point you to a replacement cover but anon snatched them all up :(
>>64875398Ntg, they do have the fastest draw to shot time. World record in a competition is .16. what is your argument? That being able to draw and fire in .281 is somehow slower Ernie hill was .208. What the fuck is actually your argument? You can watch that ex navy seal draw and fire from concealment faster than top level comp shooters do. He isn't bragging. He isn't talking about it. He says out loud all kinds of positive things about optics. In practice however he never even looked down those sights on the first shot. You have missed the boat on how things work. You are claiming the training wheels make the bike faster.
>>6487539712 feet is pissing distance I’m talking 7 yards 1.0-1.1 draws into the A zone
>>64875424so if you milled a Ruger Vaquero and put a holosun on it the draw would take twice as long? why would a quickdraw grinder use an optic since they are point shooting? It wouldn't be a pointless expense and complication. it doesn't mean the optic would slow them down.
>>6487542512 feet is the distance 99.999% of all pistol engagements happen from. The closer you are the faster your draw to first shot time needs to be. As well as your reaction time. Being slower isn't faster when the other guy can hit you in the head repeatedly half a second faster than you. (3 more yards isn't that much most of us shoot 25 and in here for fun)
>>64875305>>64875395>>64875403>>64875416So, to wrap up this hard data: Optics guns are faster off than irons guns, even off the get go. They’re faster in Steel Challenge, and they’re faster in USPSA. They’re better in the real world, too: if you look at Aaron Cowan’s police datasets, the cops with red dot-equipped guns performed better in simunitions exercises, and got better hits in the field. Moreover, looking past this hard data and into anecdotal evidence, all of the good shooters in /hg/ shoot optics guns the best. VERY CURIOUS!
>>64875422It's in the silver cardboard box. Also with a manlet. I mean slim grip
>>64875438still gay
>>64875432You have never fanned a hammer...
>>64875445I accept your concession.
>>64875436I don’t have my PR for drill recorded but I have my bill drill, first round on target in 1.02 from concealment, 6 rounds spread in A and C zones
>>64875450You accept a lot of things alright
>>64875438>all of the good shooters in /hg/ shoot optics guns the best. VERY CURIOUS!Except all those overall winners and record holders in the steel challenge open class that is the fastest class that used iron sights that was pointed out to you already.
>>64875088Despite the overhyped and slightly cringe marketing, they are legitimately good guns. Which model did you check out?
>>64875452That's pretty slow anon. .7 is about the average for people who are familiar with their handgun and give it a go who are not physically or athletic challenged. That might not seem like a lot of time but that means the average non challenged shooter will already have a bullet in you before you squeeze the trigger. That means you won't even get a hit on target at all.
>>64875469.7 from concealment? I need to do some work or I’m dead in the streets Thanks anon
>>64875460The best Steel Challenge shooter ever is Max Michel, and he used optics-equipped guns. Proving you wrong is too easy. You keep lobbing me these abject lies, as if it's not a 30 second process to show that you're a stupid faggot who's been wrong about everything else in this thread, too.
Beretta is having a 24 hour President's Sale. Is it worth it to buy any of their accessories like mags?
>>64875482Huh, I’m think I’m faster than Max on my ACR VR rig for a single run against his average
>>64875493I meant this goes to show how out of touch the ace vr is to real shooting
>>64875482unfortunately you don't have to be the fastest first shot proving all your floundering proved nothing. Fastest to shoot multiple steel is not fastest to draw and shoot. Just another fool
>>64875499So then you admit that you were a lying faggot and a stupid boomer nigger when you claimed without basis that the "record holders in the steel challenge open class used iron sights?" Now that I've proved you wrong, you can admit that, right? That you're now trapped in an argument you can't win, you have to slink away to your boomer hole, because everyone else in the thread can see how retarded you are?
Beretta's website says fullsize PX4 mags are compatible with the PX4 Compact but the internet says otherwise. Will my PX4 Compact take mags like SKU: 1383438 or SKU: C89166?
>>64875513They'll work, but I think there might be a gap between the baseplate and the bottom of the grip, and PX4 magazines don't have overinsection stops, so I wouldn't jam the full size mag in there too hard.
>>64875513They will fit but you’ll need to 3d print an adapter for over insertion protection. Or just be careful and don’t jam it in like a gorilla
>>64875521>>64875526Seeing as how rare the Compact ones are, I'm tempted to just take the plunge
How do you Beretta bros feel about the APX? The PX4 seems to be gaining popularity and obviously the 92 is beloved.
>>64875532>How are compact mags rar-Where did they all go? The gun is still in production, where are all the mags?
>>64875553HK has the same problem with their mags.
>>64875559laughs (but actually cries) in p227 14rd mags
>>64875088i know kimber has qc issues lately but i was fingerfucking one at the pro shop on my last range trip and i almost dropped 2300 on one then and there
>>64875607QC issues still? I haven’t heard any QC issues with the 2K11 The cheaper Warrior DS (2011) is hitting distributor at around 1000-1100 but doesn’t have an external extractor, bull barrel, but better slide serrations IMO.
>>64875607rumor on the streets is that kimber is actually good againthey use a couple MIM parts IIRC, but they're holding up well so far
>>64875647Everything is MIM inside but good MIM is better than bad MIM. Ben’s hit 10k rounds without issue
>>64875469>.7 is about the average for people who are familiar with their handgun and give it a go who are not physically or athletic challenged.First of all, what starting position? Second of all, STFU, .7s is NOT "about average" for draw from concealment to first shot. .7s surrender draw is national champion material in competition and that's from 3:00 open carry.
>>64875537Not beretta's best work. Brother in law got one and it won't reliably lock back on an empty mag and likes to throw 124gr ammo, which it's supposed to like, randomly several feet off target, so the barrel is fucked. Unless you get it for a smoking deal I'd miss it, or buy a Ruger RXM instead
Now that they've been out for a bit, what do we think of the Mec-Gar Glock mags?
>>64875574I regret not getting a P227 to add to the collection, but P220s are still the best in class single stack .45
>>64875708They lack overtravel stops so don’t over insert them
ITT
>>64875762That first sig makes me very angry.
>>64875783It makes me happy :D
>>64875769>Send a fresh woman I abused all the ones here
Reminder that the anti-red dot retard boomer is the same guy as the anti-Ben Stoeger retard boomer.
>>64875670Sorry kid but .7s is what the average person who is familiar with their firearm is capable of. As long as they are not physically challenged or completely unathletic. >What's the starting position.There is no standard starting position in life. Try training that way.
>>64875507I showed you to champions who used iron sights in the open class. It's all rather irrelevant as in things like the speed challenge you prioritize the plate the greatest distance away. These competitors do not have the fastest draw to shot time. They like other competition sport shooters prioritize a strategy inside the game they are playing and consistency.If you want to argue about who is fastest and what equipment they use fine. Show the fastest draw to shot times. Unfortunately you will ALWAYS lose that argument. All the fastest draw to shot shooters have the same thing in common. From SSA to Glock, 1911 to 92 none of them use an optic.
beretta 92 inox, cz shadow 2, or p226
>>64875868Not the CZ.
>>64875868The shadow 2 is all steel while the inox is aluminum frame, this might mean the inox is better for carry.The 92X RDO inox is like the best 92 ever made so get that instead
>>64875835>There is no standard starting positionWay to miss the point stupid fuck. Without a starting position specified any time you name is 100% completely and utterly meaningless. It's like saying "I can run a 10.5" without specifying what race. What's the start? Hands up? Hand under your shirt ready to draw AIWB? Hand already on your gun? STFU you dumb noguns faggot. You have no idea what you're talking about. You must be that dumb nigger that was sperging about >muh training>competition is pointlesstwo threads ago. faggot.
I cannot believe that in the year 2026 of our Lord and savior, Jesus Christ, that there are impoverished, inexperienced newfags on /hg/ trying to argue that irons are faster than dots. Good fucking Lord.
>>64875469>>64875835>That's pretty slow anon. .7 is about the average for people who are familiar with their handgun and give it a go who are not physically or athletic challenged.I'm joining this dogpile. You're full of shit. You never have and never will get a 0.7s draw, you've probably never even shot a local steel challenge match let alone anything recognizable on a national level. Grand masters do 0.7s first shots and they have their hands halfway to the gun before the 0.5s duration beep is even finished.
My agency doesn't use optics I don't see why I should on my personal firearms.
>>64875923FiarIf no RDS is what you're used to, carry that off duty
>>64873297>I see a lot of Sig and Browning merch on hunters where I liveSame.Especially ball caps with the Browning Buckmark
>>64875923>my agencyGTFO fed. Also your agency is dumb as fuck for not allowing their poorly trained flatfoot officers to use something that would measurably improve their shooting.
remember the guy in the last thread talking about his "agency"?lol
>>64875923Is your agency in the room with us right now, anon? Did they give you permission to post on 4 channel?
uh oh
>>64875912I can't believe all these people are vomiting opinions who have never been in a self defense, police or military action and had to use a pistol. You don't use the sights AT ALL on the first shot with a pistol. The entire point is to put lead into the threat first. After that first shot sights are still irrelevant outside the fact that much modern glass will interfere with your two open eyes field of view more than irons ever could.
>>64871958This gun doesn't look any more tactical than a 92fs.
reminder that he'll never actually post proof of him "performing" with a pistoljust reference fuddlore and conjecture
>>64875933Show that an optic improves draw to first shot time. You still have yet to do that.
>>64875957Have you posted proof that your draw to first shot time is better with an optic over iron sights? I'd like to see that.
>>64875962I already showed you how optics are faster in every category in Steel Challenge, which is the fastest shooting sport. If optics were appreciably slower, as you baselessly claim, we would see that in the Steel Challenge data. We don't. Because you're a lying boomer nigger. Remember when you said that the world record fastest Steel Challenge participants used iron sights? And then it took 30 seconds on Google to show that you're full of shit? lol
>>64875956OK
>>64875972Well my claim was that steel is faster for draw to first shot times. And it is for a number of reasons. You showed times from a sport that does not reward or focus on being the fastest draw to shot. It prioritizes sequence of shot inside the sport. I do remember when I named two open steel challenge competitors who used iron sights and won. Very recently. Now go back on the Internet and find the fastest draw to shot times. I'll go out and shoot a bit. When we get back here you will be chimping out about some other sport because I'm right. And you are wrong. You will always be wrong.The numbers you are looking for are in the threes because obviously you are a woman and thats the woman's record. .16 or point .2 and change if you transitioned to a man. And those are all in competition. And before you try to say not with live ammo those same numbers were achieved outside a competition setting as well with live ammo.For some perspective you haven't even thought of pulling your piece latisha and you are already domed.
>>64875997You won't do shit, because you don't own any guns. You will NEVER post your guns here, and you will NEVER post groups here, and you will NEVER post video of you shooting pistols for "performance", because you're a cowardly and retarded boomer. Literally all of the actual data supports me. All of the Steel Challenge times, all of the USPSA times, all of the real-world data such as in Aaron Cowan's white paper. That's why I can post these datasets to my credit and your discredit. That's why I can post pictures of Max Michel setting the Steel Challenge record with a dot-equipped gun, while you can't do shit. You're the same retard from a few months ago who tried to argue that Cowboy action shooters shooting wax bullets with a seventh of the power of actual guns represented realistic combat. You're full of shit, and everyone knows it. Even you do.
>>64876013I forgot about that, he was unaware they were shooting wax bullets until I pointed it out. And many of the trick shooters are shooting blanks since it’s enough to pop a balloon and not injure any bystanders
>>64876032they literally ride around in circles on horses and shoot towards the crowd, at balloons three feet in front of themhe doesn't understand that that would be incredibly dangerous with real bullets, and so they use wax bullets that disintegrate in 20 feethe's legitimately 85 IQ
>>64876038Those wax bullets do not disintegrate, I’ve been hit by ricochet’s fucking around in my back yard. They’re shooting some sort of paper shot that loses energy fast or just a straight up blank. The pressure from a blank should be enough to pop a balloon.
>>64876046It's not solid wax, the wax just seals the paper/sawdust/flour that they put in the shot.
>>64875949
im so glad there's so many experts in this thread
>>64876050Oh, the cowboy fast draw shooters he referenced shoot a solid wax slug at a large pressure plate that registers the hit
>>64875962Are you stupid?
>>64876013Show that an optic makes you faster on the draw to first shot. I'm waiting, you are breaking.
>>64876075This is the optimal combat stance per his statements
>>64876013Can we do cowboy action with full power loads?Speaking about that. Does anyone know how to get into run and gun contests or centerfire biathalon. Know my crappy equipment and unremarkable skill will mean flopping the shooting part of the contest but whatever.>>64873422My retard feet are lily white!>>64873411Based? I’m thinking of getting a Mauser 1914 since I already have a Mauser rifle, broom, and beretta rival
>>64876105>My retard feet are lily white!It's the structure not the color. You got them wide splay toed john coffey feet.
Does talking to the local schizo at the range puts you on a watchlist? He went full Alex Jones.
>>64875956Because it's not. Mouth breathers watch forgotten weapon videos or whatever where Ian makes baseless, thoughtless claims and just parrot what they hear.
>>64876083>IMG_0943.jpgYou have NO idea how disappointed I was the first time I ever saw a cowboy fast draw comp and how they stand.Look literal autist sperges.
>>64876126>shrouded adjustable sights, the hood becoming larger point of reference for “point” shooting >raised protruded front sight for better front sight focus >serrated top rail for less glare >large caliber (cannot tell if it’s 4506 or 1006) since small caliber autos failed FBI agents at Miami Dade >should have a night sight front, that most 92FS do not have and cannot have It’s absolutely more tactical than a 92FS with its tiny sights
>>64876107Retard feet>>64876116Does using guns pulled out a milsurp junkyard and sussy hand loads - which means scooping up brass - make you a schizo?Just realized I can make Mauser ammo out of 223 btw https://www.mdshooters.com/threads/how-to-case-forming-7-62x25-from-223-rem-pic-heavy.136724/Ammo self sufficiency in everything but primers is achieved.Still working on how to manufacture primers but think I could cast or 3d print the primer shell
>>64876116It puts you on the BASED list.
>>64876138The fastest to ever do it stood normal, used live ammo and could shoot 3 lead silver dollar size slugs out of the air faster than the best modern comp shooter can get off that 1.3 second first shot time in the steel challenge competition.
FUCK The HTX-1 went out of stock by the time I finished the ordering process.
>>64875464nta, but I rented a P a couple range trips ago, and I want one so badly that I'm on the verge of doing the mental gymnastics required to justify a 3k handgun. The trigger pull felt like 1 lb.
>>64876148Shrouded rear sights on handguns aren't tactical, they're fucking stupid, and there's a reason virtually no handguns have them. They're the opposite of tactical.
>>64876193Beware anon, if you get into 1911/2011s you might not want to shoot anything else ever again
>>64876197>huge wings that prevent your sights from being bumped aren’t tactical
>>64876199If he shoots your child predator that jams every magazine, he might just quit shooting altogether.
>>64876222Different nighthawk predator that has failures (the 10mm has premature slide stop engagement) but that one at match gave me a real nighthawk moment when it jammed several times but that was because I overloaded the magazine past its capacity and jammed the mag spring/follower. The atlas guy gave me a look of supreme superiority. Like a Roman senator looking at a pleb
>>64876199>Beware anon, if you get into 1911/2011s you might not want to shoot anything else ever againMan, all I did was rent one for an hour, and I already feel like that. Wanted to throw my 92X and Glock 19 in the fuckin' trash on the way out the door. Why the fuck do they even MAKE guns that don't have 1911/2011 triggers?
>>64876293All the various 1911/2011isms. It took a long time for 2011s to get as reliable as they are today and they are still not considered super reliable. Because so many manufacturers are making 1911/2011s tolerances are all over the place. There was also the huge panic over having a manual safety will get you killed, ie revolvers and DA/SAs.
>>64876310>they are still not considered super reliableI'm not a competition shooter, so every gun I buy is both a range toy, and a potential self defense tool. If reliability is important what brands/models should I be focusing on? I think I'd probably pass on anything by Sig or BUL without even trying them out.
>>64876334Reliability is very example specific, if it isn’t reliable then something is wrong with it, like extractor tension (if internal extractor like the old 1911 or prodigy). Most issues are caused by magazines but 2011 mags are good now, some guns may not like Prodigy mags (dura mag) as most of them are checkmate mags (staccato, kimber, most 2011s), or atlas or mbx mags. MecGar also started making 2011 mags. Used Staccatos are usually around 2000, Kimber is good but they’re 1800 at the cheapest new, they just made a new low end model called the Warrior which literally just came out but is between 900-1100 dollars in 9mm, 10mm or .45 ACP. Bul isn’t a true 2011 and is proprietary. There’s cheaper 2011s below 1k like the LFA Apollo which the one example I’ve seen is reliable and a good base for mods. Tisa and Mac exists but I witnessed someone having issues with a MAC 2011 but they had infinity and other aftermarket components, I mean I have some issues with my fucking super expensive Nighthawk. I’m really hoping the Warrior DS is good, but it blends more traditional 1911 stuff than the 2k11. It uses a bushing barrel, internal extractor, and a GI guide rod?
>>64876362Various 1911 isms with the 2011, I bet my disconnector sear spring pressure isn’t enough since on 4 occasions I’ve probably pulled the trigger before the slide was fully in battery (shooting as fast as I physically can) and dropped the hammer to half cock
>>64876157>Does using guns pulled out a milsurp junkyard and sussy hand loads - which means scooping up brass - make you a schizo?I'm talking openly saying "we must kill the zionist vampires pedophiles" schizo.I would brush it off, but right before he said that he let me hold his guns, meaning those guns now have my fingerprints.
>>64876394This guy’s hard drives and basement should be checked for any ritualistic vampiric evidence. Clearly on the list
>>64875762im still looking for a p227 equinox for under 2k
CMP ammo order got cancelled :(
>>64875956OP here, the point was to post stuff people in the 90s thought was ultra tactical, not tactical stuff from the 90s.
>15rd OEM Glock 19 mags are also sold out everywhereWhat the fuck is this? Did Gen V really induce this much panic buying?
>>64876436commit mec-garhttps://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/765595900134you can also find oem ones, everyone has them in stock, but you have to type it into search bar yourself, mec-gar only pays me to shill their magazine
>>64876463Thanks but I don't want to have to deal with overtravel issues
>>64876469Then buy the Glock ones, they're in stock everywhere despite your claim otherwise.
>>64876469understandable, here oem, you might have accidentally searched previous gen part numberhttps://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/764503015595
>>64876436It’s the Virginia and New Mexico Democrat bills, dude.
>>64872135FUUUUCKKK
>>64876476>>64876477Disregard that, I suck cocks, and I did indeed look up the outdated part number. Thank you
What a fucking obnoxious piece of shit to disassemble and reassemble holy fuck I am never touching this thing again.
>>648763342011s aren't ready for CCW duty imo. They still have a lot of reliability issues. Everyone I know who has one has had reliability issues with it (platypus, staccato, 2311). I still want one, but I'm too autistic for how they look so I'm either going to build one or buy a Quantico hi cap.
>>64876522Post gun.
>>64876522>pull slide halfway back>push pin out with finger>push down ejector on reassembly>that's literally itHow? And why didn't you use an image of your actual gun?
>>64876539Looks like he did post a gun
>>64876555Not his picture, not his gun. Granted, I should've been more specific.
>>64876539>>64876552Because I put it back in my safe before coming here to bitch and moan about it. I imagine the problem was mostly nobody touching it for 20 fucking years so the pin did not want to move but whatever.
>>64876564>Granted, I should've been more specific.Correct.
>>64876572It helps to cock teh hammer first, and when reassembling to have the slide forward to start the pin instead of holding it backI don't know how you could say it's THAT hard. CZs and such need the pin beaten out with a magazine and nobody says they're hard to dis/reassemble. You just hit the pin out with a magazine
>>64876522again?you've never touched a gun or a woman
>>64876529yep. if you want carry, you want Gee lock
>>64876529The obvious solution is to open carry an expensive 2011 chambered with jelly beans while also conceal carrying a Glock chambered with the hottest hollowpoints this side of the Mississipp
I cannot believe Sig beat the allegations.
>>64876635Check out Axon's case record.
>>64876552Considering buying this: https://aimsurplus.com/products/staccato-hd-c36-36in-9mm-2011-handgun-standard-package?c=Monday021626&trk_msg=HQV3O5US0H14P8PLD8LUQFLF3K&trk_contact=V6KK8SDFAM53CSV4J4FCSU9CQG&trk_sid=NKA7AH7C6R249IEM9RM18VH69G&trk_link=ASCV30I7A5N4RA6TC3U4I3CDB4&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Staccato+HD+C3.6+3.6in+9mm+2011+Handgun-+Standard+Package&utm_campaign=New+Staccato+Delivery!&utm_content=New+models+and+hard+to+find+guns.+.+.+
>>64876647https://aimsurplus.com/products/staccato-hd-c36-36in-9mm-2011-handgun-standard-packageSorry.
>>64876654This gun is made for H1Bs and cryptofags with more dollars than sense
>>64876659So Burt?
>>64876659Post your guns then lil nigga.
>>64876654You should consider suicide first just to help improve the gene pool.
>>64876659I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks staccatos are kind of indian coded. Makes sense though because Texas has huge numbers of H1Bs
>>64876665says the nogunz
>>64876673>t. still hasn't posted shit
>>64876666Make me, quad satan. Now explain yourself.
>>64876659>>64876671>expensive American gun, built for heroes, the premium duty handgun is h1b coded They don’t buy guns
>>64876659the number of Indians I have seen with $3000+ 2011s made by some obscure grifter is astounding. Kimber or colt is the white man's autoloader. Maybe CZ if you feel fruity
>>64876693I have not seen a single Indian at a shooting range
>>64876696sadly, I live in the Bay Area
>>64876693>Maybe CZ if you feel fruityMan, why do people think CZ owners are gay? I mean I am, but how the FUCK do people know.
hi chat i decided to get a "real gun" after a bad fishing trip, what's a good handgun that will kill bears and mountain lions? my current carry is a triumph muzzleloader 50 cal
>>64876706>he doesn’t know how we know
>>64876706it stands for cock zucker (z because thats how they pronounce it in Czechia. At least you don't like Jerichos (tranny gun)>>64876715glock 40 or 20 10mm
>>64876715Decent 9mm, FMJ if you’re cheap, solid copper penetrators like Fort Scott TUI or underwood if you want fancy. You need a OWB holster or some other easy access like a fanny pack or cross bag. You do not need a magnum, you do not need a fuck huge cartridge, you need to hit the threat before it kills you and keep shooting it before you die.
>>64876692>overpriced, gaudy, marketed with stupid fake machismo BSSounds indian to me. They love obsessing over their questionable masculinity and buying showy, overpriced things.
>>64876734You have no idea how much white men spend on pick up trucks then
>>64876737That's a consequence of them killing the cheap truck market in America with regulations but take that shit to /o/The average American should just get a sensible conceal carry like a Glock 19 or M&P 2.0 Compact for out in public and a 5" blued half lug GP100 in .357 Magnum for innawoods
top kek I was not expecting a female cop when going to staccato's website to look for an example of machismo marketing.
>>64876746Is that Chicago PD? No fucking way they can afford that shit.
>>64876748Chino, not Chicago
>>64876740>blued>innawoodsdo you want rust? because thats how you get rust>>64876748they are probably about 1600 when the PD buys em.
I just asked you snobby fucks if I should buy the Staccato compact.
>>64876762>they are probably about 1600 when the PD buys em.It's not fair.
>>64876740Just compromise and get one .357 Sig.
>>64876771If you're hesitating instead of just buying it, don't do it.
>>64876777>Just compromise and get one .357 Sig.Based.
>>64876793do you reload? How do you afford to feed those guns. even 10mm is 5-8cpr cheaper according to ammoseek
>>64876785Whoa. Should I apply this metric to fucking women, also?
>>64876803That's beyond my expertise.
>>64876785just keep the tab open and if you still want it in a month, buy it
>people who say "wheelgun"
>>64876771>I just asked you snobby fucks if I should buy the Staccato compact.How the fuck should we know if it's right for you?>>64876803>Should I apply this metric to fucking women, also?Yes, definitely. If you are second guessing it, it's not worth it. >>64876793Based .357 Short & Weak enjoyer.
>>64876826what two syllable alternative to "revolver" do you recommend
>>64876798You just shoot and practice with 9mm most of the time and then practice with these the other time once a few times a year. They aren't much different. 9mm to 357 skills transfer very well. You just have to hold the gat a little more firmly.
>>64876793Holy based
>>64876867do you say "finna" instead of going to as well?
>>64876867six gun
>>64876722just put in me order a kimber pro carry in 38 spr, on sale for $820 good buy
>>64876896>going toFixing to
>>64876243Got a collage of your nighthawks currently in the shop? Seems light nighthawk is the mclaren of 2011s.
>>64876935>on sale for $820Where?
>>64876529I've heard the stories, but my Staccato C has never once malfunctioned on me through classes, USPSA matches and regular range trips. I trust it enough to have it listed on my CCW, although I usually tend to carry a cheaper gun that I wouldn't cry as much over if I actually had to use it and get it taken by the cops as evidence.
So, I wanted to buy a PPK in 7,65I wanted to spend less than 200€ I asked a friend if he wants to sell one to meHe says he can sell me one for 250€But I could also buy it together with a vz61 for 800€So guess what, instead of spending less than 200€ for a PPK, I spent 800€ and bought a PPK and another gun
>>64876746>no manicurehard pass
>>64874905In the popular game available on steam called schedule 1 you can find places called dispos that only require visual confirmation of your identification for age verification as well as simply accepting cash as payment. If there's a scanner that goes beep then the alleged RNG % chance goes from a near 0% to an unknown number. The grizzly LAR is amazing, my uncle who hunted bears had a .44 one. Unfortunately his misses sold it when he past and I was a mere jit when he was gone.>pic unrelated
>>64874905Dispensaries are debanked and don't work with state or federal law enforcement and many states simply legislate adult sales like alcohol, the only thing that could fuck you is if you in the past got a medical card which can be looked up in a background check. Aside from simply not smoking weed, not being high or smelling like weed when you go to the range or gun store helps a lot.
>>64871958Hi /hg/, I want a .357 revolver. I intend on oogling it 90% of the time, shooting 38 Special through it the other 9%, and the final 1% might be me carrying it with some defensive .357 Magnum.I have a very specific aesthetic criteria. Notably, I want a half-lug barrel between 4-5 inches, a flat-bottomed grip with a smooth curve profile, and an adjustable rear sight. Stainless-steel slightly preferred, but it doesn't matter too much.I've considered the Security Six, the Model 19/66/19C, and the Lipsey's GP100. I don't really fancy the idea of spending $1000 on a complicated art piece that occasionally spins and slings lead if I can avoid it.
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>>64877575Some Anon here loves his 5" blued half lug GP100. It is a damn good looking firearm
>>64876960I actually don’t have a picture of all 4 together
>>64877575>I intend on oogling it 90% of the timeObviously python
>>64877912Pythons are ugly though. I'd sooner get a Taurus Raging Bull than a Python.
>>64877942>>64877575Wesson, not smith, but dan
>>64877967The better wesson. You can suppress the 715 as well. Look it up.
Rmr HD lens repair will be 155 dollars
>>64872127>>64872131>Glockfor a beginner, a striker gun which is essentially SAO and has no user-safeties sounds like a terrible choice, am I insane? I learned on a DA/SA with a decocker so I'm biased, I feel that is the safest type as well as the most enjoyable to use
>>64878129I think a striker is closer to DAO. if a glock is unsafe so is a revolver
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>>64878042What the frig? It's new isn't it? I knew Trijewcon's warranty was jewishly short but I didn't think it was THAT shortThey replaced the FO collectors on one of my RMRs that was 5 years old
>>64878129>essentially SAOGlock triggers are two-stage where the first unlocks the sear and the second breaks after the "wall">no user-safetiesIt has three safeties: one on the trigger, the aforementioned sear lock and firing pin detent
>>64875469Youre actually smoking crack. Sub one second from open carry is pretty good. Getting sub second from concealed is god tier
>>64877908All 4 are in the shop? You could collage them. It's like moms AI generating what their stillborns would look like
