Continuing a quesion I had last thread. Have any anons made their own composite stocks? I'm newish to resin but have all I need to make molds. I'm mostly bubble-free at this point in molds. Whether that changes if I switch to using urethane or tin cure silicone for molds we'll see; I've yet to try those but urethane seems to be the way to go for stiffer large molds. >>64926639Found some old carbon arrows I got from god only knows where. Thinnest and shortest seem to be the stiffest but you're right; they're still flexible over a long enough distance. Dense urethane foam with a fiberglass coat may be the best option yet.Previous: >>64876900
Found this last night. Not sure what kind of epoxy AllTerra is using but it's mixed with glass sphere plus carbon for the forend and then foam only in the butt. Surprised the wrist can take being that thin with a material transition as well. $800+ stocks according to their website. youtube.com/watch?v=y0wiyiBEPfU
I'm wanting to get my first gun, and while at the store I was seeing 1911 (45) for around $325. That sounded really affordable, and the 1911 is a cool gun.I checked all over Gunbroker and my local Rural King is cheaper than those even. But I an stingy and need to save money. Should I just get it now, or would there be an opportunity at a gun show to get one for like a hundred bucks or so cheaper? Is that realistic?
With tax stamps being $0 now, is there any reason not to SBR things if I don't plan on traveling with them?
>>64935530The type of epoxy matters little for strength. The most important thing is the type and amount of fillers. Even the best epoxy resin has shitty strength compared to the glass, carbon, or whatever other fiber is used. Resin is heavy and weak. The fiber is lightweight and strong. So. most important thing is to get the fiber:resin ratio as high as possible. Clamping and vacuum bagging is important because it gets rid of the excess resin.
>>64935755>The type of epoxy matters little for strengthI don't know if I'd say that but then again I need to re-read Smooth-On's material properties chart to know for sure; see the "printable versions" link. I swear that thing should be at the top of every page.https://www.smooth-on.com/charts/>Even the best epoxy resin has shitty strength compared to the glass, carbon, or whatever other fiber is used. Resin is heavy and weak. The fiber is lightweight and strong.Definitely found that out; it all likes to sag under heat or load and fiber reinforcement seems to prevent that to varying degrees. Also, note they're using at least one resin that has to be post-cured in an oven if I linked the video I think I did.
>>64935696Going on a government list.
I got this stoopid ass riser instead of grip tape in the mail. My shit ass micro red dot doesn’t fit on it. Does it need an adapter plate or something to fit stuff?
How long are Form 1s taking? Submitted mine 2/11. Not "Pending Research" and still not approved.
>>64935910Feds are known to already have an unconstitutional registry
>>64935961If you can find something that fits an Aimpoint Micro footprint. HOB might me super silly at that point>Its already silly
>>64935609>an opportunity at a gun show to get one for like a hundred bucks or so cheaper? Is that realistic?Not at all. Gunshows suck ass and havent had deals since the 2000s. At best you might find one for 299 but the price to get in/parking will cancel out the little you saved.
>>64935609>Should I just get it now, or would there be an opportunity at a gun show to get one for like a hundred bucks or so cheaper? Is that realistic?Find out if there is a gun buy back near you. Sit outside the police parking lot with a sign that says "I PAY MORE, IN CASH" and then let them bring their guns to you first to inspect. Find one you want/like and buy in accordance with local/state law. I've purchased no less than 8 guns this way. I got a WASR-10 that may have been fired 50-100 times for fucking $150 because the buyback was only offering $100.
Does Aguila make good range/plinking ammo? Lot of great deals on Ammoseek rn.
>>64936974What caliber? I like their 22LR but it is a little dirty and having lead-free primers it does smell a bit different. But between the price, accuracy, and relative reliability (at least for 22LR), there's a reason it's my go to for squirrel hunting. Range ammo is my plinking ammo; makes life super easy.
6.5 sneedmoor or .308 or black tail and black bear hunting?
>>64937124I own both 6.5 creed and 308 but use my 308 for hunting. My harvests are all under 300 yards and the 308 does the job easily.
>>64935696Pistol braces exist and you can travel all you want with them.
>>64937122>range ammo is my plinking ammoI meant my hunting ammo is also my plinking ammo, oops.
Are there literally any AK's ever where the semi auto position of the selector isn't the bottom one? I will be taking the exam for my gun permit soon and my instructor told me to make sure it's in the middle, semi auto position. I asked him why is it going to be the other way around than it usually is, cause I thought AK's basically always have semi on the bottom and full auto in the middle. He said he was pretty sure it was the middle position, but he admitted he might be wrong cause he usually trains military people and the military where I live doesn't use the AK anymore. I'm almost certain semi has got to be the bottom position, but exams terrify me and thus I don't wanna be uncertain about absolutely anything.
>>64937122 9mm
>>6493814799% sure bottom position is full auto, middle is semi
Tell me why I should not buy a Mossberg 590A1?and if not what shotty should I get instead?
>>64935609.45 is a very expensive caliber to start. Consider 9mm or 22lr unless it is like a dream gun.>>64937122It is extremely dirty.
My gut has finally settled on a howa or savage 223 bolt action after last thread.Still gonna wait to see if prices are different around the 4th of july or something>>64938147Bottom is full.
>>649381471. What the fuck?2. If it's an AK without full auto, then there's literally only one dimple a position where the gun will fire so this is a non issue. 3. Every single AK I know of has full auto in the middle, semi in the bottom. This one tidbit makes me think this instructor is talking out of his ass to impress you. >>64939746Then you're wrong, unless you pull out some weird obscure variant. The standard setup is full auto in the middle, first position off of safe. Remember that originally, doctrinally AKs were treated like SMG replacements. Full auto was supposed to be the primary use. That doctrine quickly changed, but the weapon had already been designed and it wasn't worth changing.
>>64939807
What does anon think of this purpose-made anti-drone weapon?
>>64939838>If it's an AK without full auto, then there's literally only one dimple a position where the gun will fire so this is a non issue.Yeah I'm training on a semi only one, but it was relevant because the ones on the exam will be police AK's, meaning they will have full auto. Obviously when the exam is getting a certain amount of hits on the target, you don't wanna accidentally put it on full auto and put all 10 shots right into the ceiling, which is why he mentioned it.
>>64940163Here's the full TM from the above image. You can read through it. Full auto is first position. I misread your original comment and thought the instructor was saying full auto was on the bottom, but no he is 100% correct it is first position. Semi auto is always on the bottom on either full auto or just semi guns. https://info.publicintelligence.net/USMC-AK47-OperatorsManual.pdfI have never heard of an AK any other way, including the production model AK-12.
Is the Ultimate Carry worth the extra money over the 642?
>>64940200>I misread your original comment and thought the instructor was saying full auto was on the bottom,He did, that's what I meant, hence my confusion. But like I said, he admitted he might be wrong cause he doesn't shoot AKs. >I have never heard of an AK any other way, including the production model AK-12.Me neither but I thought I'd rather make sure, cause knowing my luck it will turn out that every single AK has semi on the bottom, except for this one specific variant that the polish police uses for some unknown reason.
>>64940221Of course it's fucking Polish. Well let me slightly contract myself. If you're using certain models of Polish AK, the normal fire selector is just safe or fire. Firing mode is controlled by a lever on the left side, that one isn't up or down, but side to side. Make sure it's set to "C". If the AK isn't that dumb design and just has the normal sort of safety selctor, middle is auto, bottom is semi.
>>64940247Yeah I'm aware of that selector. I'm pretty sure it's gonna be a normal AKM but like I said, I just wanna make sure I'm ready for everything
>>64939861Interesting. My mistake. I've never shot an AK with marked full auto receiver but most of the ones I've shot are domestic and I don't remember how wbp and pioneer did them. Probably should have looked up to remember before posting.What is going on with that prc one?
>>64940357I mean consiering the chart thats like 99% of the time true that bottom is semi.
>>64936974>Does Aguila make good range/plinking ammo? Lot of great deals on Ammoseek rn.Their .22 and .45 is stinking, filthy, and covered in something that feels like Carnuba wax, but it's also one of the few ways to get buckets of cheap standard-velocity .22 ammo. IME the .22LR seems to have an uneven burn rate. Velocity bounces around by around 10% in a short barrel - we're talking a a range of a couple hundred FPS in a 6-incher - though it's more even in longer guns. That stank-ass primer seems to be more reliable than a lot of the American budget brands too. So yeah. Fine for plinking, especially if you want to be nice to an old beater gun with plastic or zinc parts. Or have to work in an unventilated range and don't want to be huffing lead all day.
>>64937124I'd go something bigger still for an animal that may actively hunt you. I use a creed myself and it hits hard but I'd hate to gut shot a black bear charging me
>>64940823Longer barrels normally smoothe out velocity differences in 22lr
>>64941327Yeah I wonder why such information is hard to find. Vibrate function is a clue
>>64939352I've had a few boxes of their 9mm as well as their 62gr 5.56 green tip. No complaints. Reliable, shoots as good as any other brand name bulk/range ammo.
i found a really cheap source of HDR rations and i was thinking of buying a few cases and sending out some of the rations out with the things i sell as freebies when i first start my business (it'd be like a $2 ration on a $300 order)am i likely to get fucked by the FDA or anything for it?
>>64941647>such information is hard to findnta but its really notits not like its illegal information, or even illegal to make if you have the right licensing, i think he's just making the wrong sort of google searches that make it sound like he's a terrorist or somethingtheres plenty of information you can find on probably even just wikipedia and other forums about how electric detonators and blasting caps worki thought about filling out a form 1 for a grenade and designing a fuse for it but ultimately decided my landlord would probably not enjoy me having an explosives magazine even if i had all the proper paperwork
>>64940823>IME the .22LR seems to have an uneven burn rate. Velocity bounces around by around 10% in a short barrelIs that the white/blue box ~1000-1200FPS stuff? That shit would be super some rounds, sub others through my silenced 18.5" 10/22 before they redesigned the box art and started building their second factory. No clue what it's like these days. Shame, too, because my Ruger MK hates it! Noses drag on the front edge of the mag and cause FTF via bullet nose friction slowing or stopping the follower, so there's no real good way to blow through it in some other gun.
Did cops used to carry tonfas because of the mcdojo fad?
Best aftermarket slides for a P320 compact?>inb4 kys filthy sigger Bought it for tree fiddy back in 2017 and I'm going to gunsoommaxx if I wanna
Theoretical setup for night shooting, with passive night aiming setup and a hands free way to switch to close quarters white light shooting: A CCO with a side flip PVS-14 tube, and then on top of the CCO a mini red dot. Sort of feels stupid, but with such a setup somebody could have the night vision pushed aside during the day and use the full sized CCO. At night outside the CCO+tube means aiming passively without having to mess around with trying to get goggles lined up. Then moving to indoors where you need speed and night vision will get blurry and wonky you just shift your head up to look through the micro dot. How retarded am I?
>>64940823Man I've had the opposite experience, I find Aguila to be one of the most reliable .22 brands across a wide range of guns velocity spread aside. Some of my guns are so retarded they choke on CCI SV, but Aguila goes fine in everything. It is stinky and smoky and gritty though, but compared to other super cheap bulk ammo it seems to me to be in another league. In particular Winchester and Federal's lowest tier products seem to be total CRAP nowadays, many failures of all types in many of my .22s. Even had a Winchester case rupture and explode in a gun. But their midrange .22 products seem alrightAlso on a related note, if you get the Aguila in 50 round tray boxes, it does not have that disgusting wax coating on it. Seems like only the loose pack stuff is waxed
>>64947863I don't know what a CCO is but I'm assuming it's a larger red dot or a prism scope. I hope you already bought night vision for your helmet because 99% of the time you're wandering around at night, you're NOT shooting at something. If you're putting anything on your gun, it's probably best to put on thermals and not night vision because some kind of night vision needs to be on your head anyway and the only realistic things you even have the gun for are all really warm. And if you need speed and goggles are fiddly, that's what lasers are for and that's why everyone has them....Or at least that's how it should be. I suspect a lot of people buy lasers and don't buy night vision first.
>>64947955This is assuming goggles yes. This isn't for me, this is a thought experiment about a military context moving from outdoor to indoor night shooting in complex terrain. I specifically mentioned a passive night aiming setup because lasers as active aiming solutions are something that's slowly becoming outdated as NV gets cheaper and used more among even poor militaries.
>>64947992Yeah, lasers do tend to give your position away...outside. If you're inside a building the enemy probably knows you're inside the building anyway, and you're going to be surrounded by walls that'll block the view of anyone who isn't a friend or someone you're just about to shoot. But if you still don't want to mess with that, or everyone else bought lasers so how do you know which one's yours, you could just use a thermal scope/clip on. Which will also keep working in the event that someone suddenly turns the lights on. Or, get good at passive aiming I guess, which basically means getting the biggest red dot/holosight you can and don't try to piggyback something on it and take your magnifier off when you're in the building. Although ideally, a military operation would probably just involve having several guys whose job it is to attack stuff outside of the building, and they'll stay out there while some other guys actually go in. And they can afford to carry only the stuff they need for their one job.
It's been over 15 years since I've purchased a gun and have never bought one online but have been eyeing a few deals. Do I need to contact the store I have it shipped to or can I just go there once they receive it to fill out the paperwork, do the background check?
>>64947912>I find Aguila to be one of the most reliable .22 brands across a wide range of guns velocity spread asideI mean I agree with you, see:>seems to be more reliable than a lot of the American budget brands tooHell, I've got an entire .30-cal can full of just their SV and HV .22. >>64948389> Do I need to contact the store I have it shipped toContacting them is just basic courtesy (and sanity). You're shipping an item worth hundreds of dollars to someone who can refuse to hand it over to you purely on vibes.
How hard is it to get a calico running (mostly) reliably? There's a shop near me that has an okay deal on a nice looking ones, plus some spare mags.I'd take advice and anecdotes about both 22lr and 9mm versions, specifically the m100 series.
>>64933822"The American army isn't actually that powerful"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwh6xbowC00"The American Navy isn't actually that powerful."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXeLfMO9q4c"The American Air Force isn't that powerful"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkDYrCCmUIA"Th... the.... the American.... military.... isn't .... uhm... isn't....the american military isn't.... uhm.... askcually.....um.... that..... er, eh, um.... they not that po......not that....not that powerful........
>>64948389They hate random guns turning up with a strangers name on it
>>64947912I had a Winchester case split in my 10/22. I was prone crawling over an earth dam so the sound echoed up to my face, it was really loud, much louder than firing a shotgun normally
>>64949633https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IDtenBMN0o
>>64946291Correct
>>64949633I thought only I remember this crap
>>64936216Be prepared to exercise patience, I'm about 46 days and running on mine, submitted 1/22.
Had a build question, I want to use a set of PRI .936 flip up front sight gas blocks for a bull barrel AR15 build and was wondering if that was possible in regards to sight height, if it is would I need the dpms or the armalite height? What exactly would I need to do to make that work?
>>64951130this is one of those things where you have to measure your actual gun. you said "gas block on a bullbarrel". this could be anything. it could be a normal height gas block rail or a lower one. the only one who knows is you.
>>64939875I feel like the ergonomics of a rocket launcher would suit it better.
Are there any negatives to steel case .223/5.56 I should know before buying? My rifle has adjustable gas and I don't reload so those two points are fine with me.
>>64947863PVS-14s not recoil rated. Putting one on your rifle will destroy tube. Do research.
I am currently working on a MAC M-11/9 build, and I just got a complete bolt assembly in from FTF. Is there supposed to be this big of a gap between the ejector rod and the bolt surface? I think this it's supposed to be touching the hole (lel).What can be done to fix this, assuming it's not right?
Would the term kamikaze be frowned upon in modern Japan? Like the word itself, possibly even having a different phrase they would use referring to 'Divine Wind' to get around it but still call back to the concept borne out by their lucky breaks vs the mongol fleets.I doubt they look back on the whole Imperial Japan throwing planes at American ships for little gain proudly (except for maybe the "Jews Fear The Samurai" sort)
Thinking of grabbing a shotgun lads, should I grab a 1301 or a M4? Or should I spend half the price for a 590?
>>64957886590 all the way.
>>64957890Thanks, is that for cost reasons or do you prefer pumps?
>>64933822How are Mossberg Patriots? I’ve been wanting to buy a casual budget friendly bolt action. Not planning to do any hunting or major precision shooting, just want a fun bolt action for the range and general fun. Also, any other recommendations for reliable bolt actions in the $5-600 range? I already have a scope if needed.
>>64958086Savage Axis is just as good for cheaper and Ruger American is better for the same price
>>64958119I’ve also heavily considered Ruger as well. I like the green. Are they pretty solid? For some reason the pictures make the plastic look weak.
>>64958129Mine hasn't felt flimsy. There isn't a ton of difference between them, I prefer the tang safety and 3-lug bolt on the Ruger and they have a better consensus/fuddlore reputation. The mlok on the forend might be handy if you want to play around with a bipod
>>64958381That’s good to hear. I am a lowkey Ruger blowhard. I have several handguns from Ruger. And yeah I would like to through a bi pod on there some day.
>>64933822I want to get an over/under shotgun to shoot trap. Any recommendations?
>>64958612What's your budget? The Beretta Silver Pigeon and the Browning Citori are generally considered as the best entry level O/Us for serious clay shooting.
>>64958612>>64958666I've been on the lookout for a used jap shotgun. Miroku and a few other brands made them for winchester/weatherby/charles daly, and others. Back in like the 60s-80s.They look really nice for <$1000. Maybe its just the weeb in me.
>>64958824Miroku is a great option, they are the OEM for the Citori. Nikko is another Japanese maker that made solid O/Us. If you are willing to shop around for used guns then either of those are great budget options.
>>64939746>99% sure bottom position is full auto, middle is semiYou're 100% full of shit.
>>64958666I probably won't go that often, so not too much. $500-800 maybe?
>>64957919Well I do like pump-action, but it's also because parts and accessories for Mossbergs & Rem. 870s are often a lot cheaper.
>>64958612Buy a used trap gun off a boomer retiring from trap shooting
>>64958129Love me Ruger American gen 2, it's solid, but mine doesn't feed properly if the mag is full, and it's only a 3 shot mag in 6.5 creed. 1st gens had feed problems that were meant to be fixed. I've never tried fixing it thoughbeit
I need a clever solution to store a lone rifle in my trunk. Should I use a gun rack or something else? Doesn't need to be purty just secure to not have it fly around
>>64958086Pretty shit honestly. They are functoning but if anything else in the same price range was on the shelf you fucked up and could have done better.
>>64959737That’s a solid point. As a Virginian I’m just looking to add a shotgun to my safe before the gun grabbers find a way to ban them outright.
>>64959391For that budget I'd shop around for used guns. The only new O/U you're getting new for that price is Turkshit.
I have 2k set aside for gun related purchases this month, I’m debating adding a micro 9 and shotgun to my collection (I currently have a S&W bodyguard 2.0, a Gen 5 G19, an ltt 92 compact and a DD M4A1). I still want to throw a comp on the g19 and get a good optic for the AR like a acog+rmr. Should I prioritize grabbing those or pick up the new guns first?
Why is the Bong defence attache to the UAE named Sandy Sandilands? Is this where Australia gets it from?
>>64958086BackFire IIRC had some strange accuracy issues with it even after sending it back. Don't know his biases if any because I don't know enough about him. Just repeating what I've read about.
>>64960170Velcro on one side with a soft padded gun case that has the opposite? Removable if need be and protects the gun. Not sure how to secure the velcro; I hate self adhesive velcro like nothing else.
>>64961954Fire idea, but the weight of the battle rifle + box may be too much for the velcro to secure. Thank you for responding tho anon
>>64961984I'm thinking you need the "industrial" brand name Velcro. May need to replace every few years. Or if you have some structure with a hole through it in your trunk, you could attach straps that are double sided to your case. One side is soft, other is hooked. Loop those around the metal stamped structure of your trunk if you have it and it's secure with no damage to your trunk. Also as much as I shit talk the self adhesive stuff, it does seem to work well in vehicle use. Can't think where I've seen it, probably cop use shit like radios etc.Also, something to think about that I've been thinking about recently is if you get into an accident, especially if some retard rear ends you. It already sucks knowing you're going to need another $3k+ car but the $2k rifle(s) in the trunk, fuuuuuck. Keep that in mind when thinking about placement in the trunk itself. In the way back it's probably fucked. Sides can be iffy. Directly behind the back seat deep in the trunk, probably the best but limits trunk use and makes getting the rifle awkward especially for multiple day a week hunting. Trunk "roof" may be a good idea if you can find a way to secure it well. Rarely carpeted/covered as well and not a spot you see often if the fix is ugly as fuck. Might want to look at police shotgun racks for trunks IIRC. They're available surplus more than likely. Some lock.
Are there any guns currently produced like the G36/SL8 that are mostly made of polymer?
>>64962022I've built some serious assemblies with velcro before. Get the non-self-adhesive kind and secure it with VHB tape. So long as you clean the surfaces first that is incredibly strong. If in doubt use that to attach the velcro to kydex, then *sew* the velcro to the kydex; a leather sewing machine can do this. Then secure the kydex with bolts or screws.
>>64962022Brilliant stuff here anon, seriously.>Rear end accident crunches the rifleI was thinking of getting around that by having it further up in the trunk like you said the Roof of the trunk. If you know where the spare tire rests I'm pretty much putting it there. >Surplus cop racksI'm writing that down because that may be the perfect solution if not the industrial velcro>>64962205One issue I thought of is when I am trying to retrieve the rifle can I do so without much effort?
>>64962394>One issue I thought of is when I am trying to retrieve the rifle can I do so without much effort?That's entirely up to how much velcro you use. You could choose to make it pretty easy to get out, or you could make it stick like mad.
>>64962394>Brilliant stuff here anon, seriously.Ty anon; I have a lot of time in the car some days and I think about tips for hunting and car organization related to it/range trips a lot. I've started writing down everything that comes to mind in a massive list of tips and considerations. Going to be very long.>>64962394Consider a padded sleeve for the rifle of some kind and perhaps the loops can be attached to the car instead and doubled up snaps can hold the loops shut. Hard to describe but may work depending on orientation. Might only need to open the larger end and the barrel side may be able to swivel and simply pull out if it doesn't bind and twist. Not sure what your state's rifle transport storage laws are like.
Why should i choose a bolt action rifle over this bad boy?
>>64962672what are you planning to hunt with this ? if it's boar then stop thinking and go for it, for other games you should take a bolt action, lighter to carry around and will have less recoil for using the same ammo
>>64962678The BAR actually has less recoil. My 300Wm has the same recoil as my 308 bolt. Three pounds lighter too.
>>64962684neat, the semi autos i've tried weren't BAR, they had slightly more recoil than a bolt action rifles and also weighted more, to be honest they were old guns from the 80s/90s, so yeah, technology has surely improved to make them better.
>>64962693My BAR is a 1969 model. Technology has not changed very much.
>>64961659Yes. The Brits tend to prefer subtle and more deadpan humor, but they are natural shitposters, just like their Aussie offspring.
>>64962558Maybe I could repurpose the Sling points as a way to mount it?
With large caliber rounds like 20-30mm, what are they made of? Are the projectiles still lead like small arms munitions?
>>64962672No semi automatic rifle can ever match a bolt action in terms of cost to weight and accuracy. You can get a semi automatic rifle that'll shoot as well as a bolt, but it'll weigh a lot more and cost more. If it's almost as light as a bolt, it'll cost exponentially more and probably not shoot very well.Meanwhile, there isn't much reason to spend the extra money or carry the extra weight of a semi auto while hunting because you should be able to take most game with one shot in any case. Light weight and accuracy matter way more than rapid follow up shots and capacity. You don't want to spend a fortune either because the gun is going to get dragged around innawoods, through bushes, mud and over fences.Now if you are hunting hogs where they can charge you and it's more pest control than pure hunting sure, get a full on battle rifle and go nuts. But for deer, elk, etc. bolt actions are still king.>>64962054Kel-Tec. Pretty much their entire catalog.>>64961257The BG 2.0 is about as good as a carry gun can be so the micro 9 is redundant. A good optic for the AR is a good idea, although you don't necessarily have to go full Trijicon to get good results an ACOG is still brilliant if you can comfortably budget it. Shotguns aren't expensive. I'd skip the micro 9, get the optic and a Mossberg pump.>>64960170I'd have it in a case to protect the gun from other shit in the trunk flying around. How big is the gun? Does it fold? I've used tennis racket bags for some shorter/folding long guns before.>>64958612Don't cheap out with Turkshit. Go Italian and spend at least 1k. Turk O/Us eat firing pins like a fat kid eats crackers.
>>64962971Composition varies, owing to both who is making it and the purpose but both steel and aluminum are popular. Steel for rounds with HE more common, and aluminum for AP since they contain a heavier steel core kind of like old school WW2 AP anti-tank rounds. With as big as 20-30mm is normally you want more out of them than just a mundane FMJ bullet type composition.
>>64963023>No semi automatic rifle can ever match a bolt action in terms of cost to weight and accuracy. You can get a semi automatic rifle that'll shoot as well as a bolt, but it'll weigh a lot more and cost more. If it's almost as light as a bolt, it'll cost exponentially more and probably not shoot very well.this sounds wrong. im sure its true for the most part but there are no pistol caliber 9mm bolt actions. if it was true its always cheaper to make a boltaction then where are they? somebody should have been able to undercut a shitbox like a mac or tec. or come within a few hundred of hipoint.being pistol cal the accuracy difference that only shows up at extreme range is moot.
>>64962971>Are the projectiles still lead like small arms munitions?No.Once you get to .50 cal military rounds the cores are different. At its most basic the core is hardened steel and there's a gilding metal jacket over it, like .50 cal "ball". This is because using lead at that scale is too expensive and the steel provides limited ability to penetrate armored targets. Most of the ammo is fancier and there's tons of different types. Some contains explosive filler and some kind of fuse (impact, proximity, etc.) Others contain a special armor penetrator (tungsten, depleted uranium, etc.) in some kind of sabot. Some more exotic ammo has combinations of these things in them. But none of them are a plain lead bullet.
>>64963138The purpose of a 9mm pcc is larping as a submachine gun. There's no reason for a bolt-action one to exist.
>>64963417I maintain that 9mm PCCs are a viable option for home defense, particularly if you live in an apartment or neighborhood where you should be seriously concerned about overpenetration. You could just use a 9mm pistol, yes, but the third point of contact is nice.
>>64956928Some steel case has corrosive primers. The lacquer on them can get sticky around solvent vapors or in high temperature/humidity, and can also foul up chambers and mags if you get blow-by because they don't obturate as well as brass. One of my rifles was badly overgassed for a while and Wolf rounds were dinging the shell deflector on the way out. Otherwise it's just the usual issues with any dirt-cheap ammo, and none of the above are a critical problem. At least as long as you're cleaning your rifle regularly and not leaving mags/ammo to sit in the sun.
>>6496302321" full sized FAL no fold.
>>64933822Were riot shields common for law enforcement back in the 1960s and 70s? Google isn't really giving me a straight answer, and I'm having issues finding examples of the alleged heavier metal riot shields that existed prior to the big plastic ones.
>>64963633Thanks anon! none of that sounds too bad so I went ahead an ordered some.
>poorfag doon to be hunterwhich USED rifle do i buy, €400 max, no american trash tyhusqvarna 1900, tikka m65, or sako forester?
>>64963588>particularly if you live in an apartment or neighborhood where you should be seriously concerned about overpenetrationAnon, a basic bitch AR is a lower overpen risk than 9mm hollowpoints.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSP0uZ61QDoThat said, I do agree that a 9mm PCC would make a fine HD weapon, that's assuming we're talking about a semi-auto, not the bolt-action anon seems to be asking about.
I havent been to the range in 5 months. Magic 8 ball.. should I go to the range today? If dubs I must.
>>64965550Well you almost got quints, so I suppose that's close enough. You should go.>>64963982That's a smidge tricky to work with because it's long and has a pistol grip so you need a tall case as well. I'd look for a soft case that'll take it and then try to secure it to the top underside of the trunk with some straps. It would take some experimentation but it's a Cadillac so there should be tons of space to work with.>>64963138There used to be "Destroyer" bolt action PCCs from Spain in 9mm Largo, but it's not a common thing unless you consider 22lr to be a PCC as well. There isn't much reason to do it because with a pistol caliber you can just make it straight blowback which isn't any more expensive or complicated than bolt action. You don't have to engineer in locking, gas piston or delay systems like on a rifle caliber. Besides which pistol calibers aren't typically very precise so the potential accuracy advantage of a bolt action is meaningless. People would rather have a semi auto PCC.In any case it has nothing to do with the original question about hunting rifles in where a PCC would only be useful as a small game/varmint gun.>>64964386Depends a lot on what country and what rifles typically cost there, plus the condition of each rifle being considered and how effective the caliber it's chambered in is for what you intend to hunt. Plus of course how expensive/difficult to get ammo is for the caliber as well.Just going off brands alone all of those are good quality, but it does you no good if the barrel is burned out.
>>64962908Maybe with Magpul QDs? Even then I'd consider a padded sleeve. Shotgun rack will be your best bet I think if it doesn't get in the way.
>>64963138Not production but DeLisles are available if you're willing to reac a deac (or buy a stripped .410 Indian) and get a kit to make a pistol cal bolt action. The only 9mm bolt action that hasn't been mentioned I've seen is that anon's custom one. Don't have a pic though.
>>64965132I know what they say about samples of one, but I concede that this video casts serious doubt on my assertion. I guess if you're worried about overpenetration what you should really do is try and not shoot the guy until the space behind him is clear.
>>64964386Get something a little more modern if you can, they can handle better pressure
>>64962684Yes, bolts have more recoil than semis and of course lighter rifles have more recoil
>>64966811There has been a recently released FBI study as well.
>>64935696You need to tell the government where you keep your guns and can't let anyone else touch them (no not even your gf or wife or anything)
>>64933822bros, does anyone have the Journal of Forensic Sciences article "Fatal .45–70 Rifle Wounding of a Policeman Wearing a Bulletproof Vest"? I am referring to https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7097213 but I can't find a pdf for it. I read the article once (well, I'm pretty sure it was this one), and the gist of it was: >The only confirmed case for fatal back face deformation >Police officer wearing the equivalent of NIJ Level II vest >Gets hit by .45-70 >Surprisingly, the bullet does not penetrate the vest >Unsurprisingly, it results in 100 millimeters of back face deformation >Officer dies a pretty brutal death Thought I had it bookmarked. I know I didn't pay for it. On a similar note, what would be some brutal things to get shot with while wearing NIJ Level IV (I guess they're RF3 now) plates? Like 9mm would be laughable, 30mm would instakill you regardless of your armor, what's an awful middle ground that would leave you probably alive but kinda wishing you weren't?
>>64967318>>Surprisingly, the bullet does not penetrate the vestThat's not surprising at all. Unless this was some super-spicy Ruger-only handload .45-70 is not a very serious threat to armor. The average .45-70 load is a soft-pointed hunting bullet with pretty low velocity, and with that amount of backface deformation it sounds like it aaaaaaalmost penetrated.
Is there anything illegal about putting signs that say "DANGER LANDMINES" or "DANGER UNEXPLODED ORDINANCE" on your private property to deter thieves? I know it's illegal to actually place landmines or boobytrap things, but you can put a "TRESSPASERS WILL BE SHOT" sign and there's nothing wrong with that.
How do you start working on guns? I want to learn how to modify stuff like AR-15s and revolver internals.
>>64967318Does .50 BMG have too much ass on it to get stopped? I feel like I've heard of youtube shitters demonstrating Level IV plates stopping .50s, but I'm too lazy to double-check that. I figure even if it does stop it though, you're gonna feel that immediately, and then feel it even worse the next morning.
