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Finally watched a video on "The Ounce". I was interested in buying one for shits and grins until I saw the price ($900). Nah, I'm good.
Ctrl F'd the last thread and didn't see if anyone already mentioned this. Full size 365, looks like the 320 is dead https://x.com/i/status/2029568903571972169
>>64936792Not surprising. 320 was always the ugly step-child of the Sig family. The 365 has much bigger name recognition now.
>>64936792>looks like the 320 is deadKek.
>>64936792Probably the easiest way to handle the situation. The 320's name is poison to anyone not already invested, so just discreetly phase it out while putting all the spotlight on its unofficial replacement. They'll stil make lodsemone on existing contracts and will thus have money to quietly make fixes to whatever the error(s) were that caused it's money, rolling them out to agencies/civilians whenever they need servicing.
>>64936792>>64936802>>64936808funny because the P365 is trash with weak parts. Meanwhile the P320 mogged through the US army trials. Only difference is the striker design which is safer in the P365 leading to a worse trigger imo
>>64936822365 is a micro, every micro has weak springs
>>64936827Its true. Opposite happened with P320, thanks to glock everyone is used to heavy triggers with safety dingus so the unsafe retards with shitty holsters exposed themselves and blamed the gun
>>64936833Austrians ruin everything.
Posting pistolsI got a arched mainspring housing from rock river arms (holy crap do they take a long time to ship) with 17.5 LPI grip coming soon...I got it with the phosphate coating...idk if that was a good move or not
>>64936862Why would anyone want a big cube on their pistol
Got milk?
>>64926566I thought we all agreed I’m a man.Also, still don’t know if to buy a 3913: the only well priced one has “Ladysmith” on it and I don’t want to run a fucking gun contest with that for all to see.>>64927359TBF Buffalo bore seems to used slowish mixed powders to get a lot of power/AUC with a low max pressure so high volume probably means lots of options.Speaking about reloading I’ve been going to the range as of late just to use it as a source of brass. Told you I can turn 223 into 30 Mauser now.
>>64936891>no room for eggs inna fridge :(
Do any anons here have a Ruger RXM? I'm thinking about getting a 17 sized version. They seem to be good to go.
>>64936903Stinky dumb fujo scum
>>64936886Durable PWS
>>64936822>Meanwhile the P320 mogged through the US army trialsDewey Defeats Truman
Is there going to be a challenge this month? Didnt get in on the last one
>>64936939Since when has there been a fujo who’s competent with guns?>>64936792>>64936822Why didn’t they just go back to their DA/SA designs?Seriously? Other than lower profit margins what is there to lose?
>>64937050This month's challenge: getting through the month.
>>64937074>Why didn’t they just go back to their DA/SA designs?>Seriously? Other than lower profit margins what is there to lose?You're still too optimistic about the world, fren.
>>64936822>moggedYou must be 18 to post here.Ideally you should also have some tiny amount of knowledge on the board subject.
>>64936792That's just a fuse comp
>>64936822It did not, it was less reliable and less accurate than the Glock. For some reason the 35k round reliability test was stopped half way in.
The prodigal sigger returns
>>64936792365 Fuse with a comp and a metal paneled frame in babyshit brown? I love my 365 but this looks horrendous, maybe all black and wood/g10 panels without the ugly frame comp and Id consider a fullsize 365.
>>64937191You can get the regular fuse and black axg frame from siggers separately, which is imo their best combo. I was expecting them to just drop that and call it fuse axg.
>>64936908I like mine.
>>64937215I think I'm going to pick one up. I have 2 47s, and I use the Kiral backstrap so I'm already using the same grip angle more or less. I've heard that they'se basically good to go aside from the occasional lemon and the barrel and trigger being worse than glock as a given. The frame felt really nice when I held it.
>>64937110>For some reasonI'm sure it's nothing, it's not like the trial was rigged to pick whatever sig shovels in, and whoever got the kickback just sincerely didn't expect sig to shit the bed.
>>64937110cool it with the antisemitism there bud
>>64937241>antisemitism I would rather we got a kosher masada instead
>>64937163siggers should be delegated to a separate, but equal, threadi dont hate siggers but i wouldnt want to be near one
>>64937258
Alright steers and queers, do we go for the LTT 92 compact RDO or for the CZ Shadow 2 carry, or the secret third option of a Staccato HD 3.6.
My gun has about 1000 rounds through it. I feel like all the springs are now less stiff, is that normal? Not in a bad way, it's now less clunky to operate and requires less force
>>64937415Staccato or the LTT PX4
>>64937415Do the Beretta or the CZ, whichever feels better in your hand.>>64937436That is completely normal
>>64937415.410 2 shot derringer
>>64936752How concerned should I be about this?
>>64937514Sir we're buying the Cyclops here
>>64937521About Surefire scratching up your frame?
>>64937501Good to know thanks
>>64937415Staccato for sure.
>>64936752Is there a challenge for this month? I’m planning to hit the range tomorrow.
Finally managed to get a copsurp P226. I like it equally as much as my M9 but in different ways.
>>64937521I have a strong awareness of it from WMLs in general, I try not to let it happen. The A version has plastic clamps if you HAVE to have the Surefire with the worst switches in the industry. btw Modlite and Streamlight also have metal clamps, Cloud Defensive EPL I'm not sure. About the only lights that don't are the X300A, old Insight M3s, Inforce (lol) and Viridian (lmao)If you don't care about your rail's finish this is an utter nonissue. If you are hyperanal it is going to kill you to death
>>64937665Nice pickup, anon. They're solid pistols, picked one up in December.
So I got my 20X and I really like it. It is a straight upgrade over the 21A.>ConsMagazine is cheap as fuck and obviously the biggest negative to the gun. Not only is it cheap feeling as all hell, but the tabs to pull the follower down don't really help at all. The follower moves and the tabs push to the other side so unless you have long fingernails, they are useless. I also really want a flush magazine option. I would pay extra just to get a steel mag like the 21A and 3032.>ProsLiterally everything else.The sights are immeasurably better than the 21A, the slide serrations are grippier, the button barrel latch is way better than the lever, the mag release much better, the safety is WAY better, the grip texture is very effective without fucking up the skin on your side, and god damn, the trigger is a huge upgrade as well. Aside from the magazine being crappy, everything else is so much better. I even took a spent 22lr case and snapped the rim to compare to the 21A with its much heavier and grittier trigger and impacts are nearly identical. My 21A is extremely reliable and with the 20X having nearly identical impacts I can only assume that it will be too. 319 from PSA plus a 100 dollar rebate from Beretta means that it is really affordable right now. I wouldn't buy one are normal retail price, but for like 200 something after the rebate, it is super worth it.
>>64937903Cheapy ass magazine. I hate it, but it's worth it for all the other upgrades. If it proves reliable I may actually carry it as a backup. It's pretty lightweight.
>>64937903That grip texture looks rad as heck. Does this thing not fit standard 21A magazizzles? You could have your flush fit and steel too
>>64937415I'm partial to the CZ Shadow 2. Just be forewarned, the decocker on the carry makes it more like a dressed up SP01 tactical. Still excellent ergonomics and a great trigger, but the trigger isn't to the level of the compact or fullsize Shadow series. It's still a big part of my carry rotation.
>>64937937 #Nope. It has a different magazine release location so it can't take 21A mags. Sucks, but what can you do. Yeah the grip texture is really nice. It doesn't fuck up your clothes or your skin unlike a lot of Smith and Wesson textures.
>>64937050yes here it is
>>64936752Ive been so busy I havent been able to go shooting for like 6 months now and it sucks. All the ranges near me are over an hour away and the one indoor range that is close is shit and always packed with retards. I need to save up money and move into the middle of no where..
>>64937415>do we go with the overpriced modded Beretta, the CZ, or the Staccato that costs as much as the other two combined but for some reason the 3.6" version instead of the 4" version like the other twowhat kind of list is this?
>>64938742Its the "Im tired of 500 dollar slop" list
>>64938076>max caliber .380GAY
>>64939078Has to be under 18
>>64939165Dumb caliber pun...
>>64939070It's just mismatched. You say I'm buying a car I'm looking at the Elantra N, the Civic R, and the M4. I mean come on who isn't picking the M4? My sticking point is why the HD 3.6 instead of the HD 4" when the others are also 4"? The 3.6" will be a little shorter in length than the others but that doesn't really give any benefit.
>>64936752Mk3 hi power or Glock 17 gen 5
>>64939211I know I also like them bigger
>>64937970i've seen this image 100 times and yet this is the first time i've noticed the mouse sized converse shoes
Alright, I got bored and have a Ruger 57 pistol but want a Ruger 57 carbine. No chassis made for this, just a $800 Ruger 57 charger I'm not in not buying if the pistol is like $350.Making a 3d print chassis for it and working on stl models. Anybody have a 3d printer and Ruger 57 too? I have generic outline of the frame good enough, adding inlets for safety, side release, and take down lever right now. Probably like 1/3 of the way there to complete chassis to put a brace on it.
>>64939756>want a Ruger 57 carbineAnon please just use the AR-15 platform, there's not many things it's good for, but launching .224 bullets faster than any 5.7 is it.
>>64939323If you already have a handgun get the Hi-Power because it has more sovl, if noguns get the Glock
>>64938041That is malevolent. If they were going to engineer from scratch they could have just made extended metal mags, or used P22 pattern or something. They have a partnership with Umarex already
>>64939832I have an sbred ar15 already. White phosphorus nods. Level 4 plates. Stop spitting out the same retarded cliche. Sometimes people just want to have fun with what they got.
>>64939985> partnership with UmarexI'm still seething P99/PPQ M1 magazines are not compatible with PDP/PPQ M2, and justification is the same - cut needs to be in a different place
586 or 686? Do revolvers rust easily?
>>64940004586, yes they do
>>64940007Then wouldnt the stainless steel one be a better option?
>>64937903Nice review, you don’t see many of those tilt barrel Berettas in these threads, so it’s good to see someone’s perspective on them. Have you shot it yet? I’m curious to see how it performs versus something like a Seecamp.
>>64940015Yes. Bluing, especially the thin bluing that comes on modern Smiths, is not going to be much rust/corrosion protection at all, and if you want to keep it looking new, you’re going to want to keep a microfiber rag handy. Blued guns look amazing, though.
>>64936792Well then looks like I got a collector's piece.>>64936802The P320 was just a half assed gun to begin with.I like the M17 but I know better than to fully trust it, never mind that the Glock 17, VP9, PDP, are better duty strikers
>>64938657I've been trying to stack 9mm because I have so many damn 9mm guns and they need foodNever mind I genuinely want to keep a 1k supply on reserve.Another issue too is that I want to stack 115 grain and 124 grain.And maybe try 147 again.Also want to handload 9mm too
>>64940000Nice quads it's the same with G22, P22 and SP22 mags only more egregious; the bodies are identical including the catch location, they just engineered all three base plates to be incompatible with every other gun>>64940015Ya aren't buying a revolver for practicality anon
>>64938742>>64939234There are all compacts, the HD 4 has a full size grip, if staccato released the HD 4 in a compact grip it would be that one instead. Also the price doesn't matter.
>>64940174Fusion Firearms also has a Glock 19 mag gun with a 3.5 inch barrel. You could also get a standard 2011 and then use a Springfield Prodigy Compact or Infinity Compact carry grip for a short 15 round mag.
>>64940124>Ya aren't buying a revolver for practicality anonI want one of those uberti top breaks.
>>64940005How do you eat taco bell anymore? I can't bear to anymore unless I'm on travel and short on time. It just tastes like disappointment now that it's not even cheap anymore. I remember feeding myself on $5 to $6 at taco bell and when I go there now and spend $15 it's just not the same.
Gave my PX4 compact to my sister, what do I buy to replace it
>>64939985My theory is that Beretta is trying to acquire so much of Ruger because they are way too retarded to make a good pocket pistol (it's been 70+ years since they made a good new design), and Ruger has a huge share of the pocket market.>>64940005Fuark I need some goyslop and a p220 (in 10mm tho)
>>64940268PX4 compact
>>64940174>There are all compacts, the HD 4 has a full size grip, if staccato released the HD 4 in a compact grip it would be that one instead.I didn't realize staccato was so homosexual and you couldn't get the 4" in any grip size but full. >Also the price doesn't matter.Don't be a fucking faggot, there isn't a single person on this damned site to whom the "price doesn't matter". Even Burt complains about price and he probably has more money in his collection than you have in your home. Don't pretend to be rich around us we'll just call you a faggot for it.
>>64940039I don't have one of the new 30Xs but I have a tomcat and a seecamp. The tomcat sucks a bunch and has a short shelf life, but it's a lot more usable than the seecamp in about every metric.
>>64940211I see the XP 3C, but that has a 3 inch, any direction for the 3.5 or am I just being blind>>64940283The older staccatos you could swap them around freely and order them the way you wanted, I wonder if staccato COULD send me stuff for a swap, at the HD grips are interchangeable, why they don't have it listed is beyond me.I want something nice to carry with a good recoil impulse in my rotation, Burt's collection is WAY larger than mine, I said price doesn't matter because I want a higher end gun with a good fit and feel in a compact size, if you want a "limit" it would be 3k for the gun itself.
>>64940317>I see the XP 3C, but that has a 3 inch, any direction for the 3.5 or am I just being blindmisremembered
What makes the p365 so different than the p320
>>64940392P320 is based on the hammer fired DAO P250, the P365 was designed from the ground up. The frames, barrels, and some other parts between the P250 and P320 are interchangeable. The P320 had some really stupid design mistakes like the trigger being heavy enough to pull itself when dropped muzzle up, something people figured out in the early 1900s. The DAO P250 did not have that issue.
>>64940392It's smaller, thinner, cannot shoot 40, has much lower spring replacement and service intervals, and it has a more straightforward safety plunger that might be familiar because it's in every other gun, series 80, glonks, etc. Oh, and the trigger pull on p365 sucks wet farts from dead pigeons. It also started out as a pocket gun design that then grew a bigger grip and slide.
>>64940039I've not shot it yet, but will go shooting this weekend so I'll get to play with it later. It fits perfectly into my Tomcat holster so I've been carrying it around the house just to see how it feels. I am liking the grip texture more and more the more I interact with it. I have a 3032 and a 21A as well as LCP2 and Max in 380 and 22lr to compare it to as well. I'll have to see how it stacks up, but I have an extremely high opinion of it so far. All the ergonomic changes make a huge difference.
>>64940417Its not a pocket gun its a micro compact, the difference is the geometry is super efficient to the point that you can fit more rounds in it than most micro guns in 9mm. The Fuse line also uses 1911 style recoil springs which fixes the biggest spring replacement issue too. IMO only the Fuse and the base model are worthwhile as the other options are just downgrades or at best sidegrades as every Sig 365 mag has spacers that allow you to use the smallest frame no problem. Good thing is experimenting doesnt require buying another gun.
>>64940099>1k supply on reserveThankfully 9mm is affordable and 1k is usuulally around ~$200 burger bucks, maybe $250 tops with tax and whatnot. If you can stash $10 a week for your supply you can achieve that it about half a year. Use whatever you don't spend on a Harbor Freight box/can and some silica packs for max hoarder/storer points.
>>64940269>in 10mmI just ordered 10mm/.40 dies and related necessitates. I own neither but I'm going to load 100rds of each because I can lolAnd eventually get an LE trade in .40 and a 10mm P220 also
> Why dindun smib and wessan keep makin dey gud gayts
>>64940666All I want is a hammer fired fcu from any American brand, or Beretta. I think FCUs are the future for handgun autists and every brand should adopt some line of FCU guns.
>>64940688>from any American brandWhy? They just assemble stuff in the US from foreign components.
dangerous absence of 1911s itt
Critical Duty bros, it's over
>>64940713Even my 2025 made 365 was all Exeter parts.
>>64940736CMP's taking a while on my turk 1911 order. If I don't get any updates by next Friday I'll give them a call.
>>64940795You're gonna love it. Mine was flawless out of the box, besides the plunger tube spring, definitely buy a wilson combat spring kit, makes a huge difference. I put KC Customs sights on my slide and right now I'm waiting for the paint to dry on my beavertail and thumb safety so I can put them on and instantly scratch it all off. I think the ASFs are a great base for a project, the parkerizing definitely takes on a character of its own
Maybe P365 gets popular enough that Sig will do the opposite move where they make a hammer fired version and call it P265 or something
>>64940826I'm excited. I decided a while ago that if I was gonna buy a Tisas repro it would be through the CMP, since I think they're a cool organization and for the CMP marking. Depending on how much I love it I might get another ASF, or maybe their MEUSOC clone, to use as a base to fuck around with. I just don't like memory bumps on the grip safeties, gets annoying after running a box or two.
>>64940867Arched mainsprings work well with memory bumps in my experience. I tried a flat checkered and it was weird, the arch guides my hand over the bump and not into the hard cliff at the backMy gun is just slowly becoming a meusoc inspired gun with walnut delta grips, I would have paid $800 or whatever for the MAC meusoc clone and just changed out the sear and disco and springs and been done with it.
>>64940736Really fucking annoying issue>No magazine: 3 pound pull>Insert magazine roughly: 20 pound pull>Magazine and manually cocking the hammer: 3 pound pull
>>64940978>rack slide without magazine: 3 pounds >rack slide with magazine: 15 pounds
>Racking the slide
>>64940760Yeah, exeter, Calcutta.
>>64940978I think I can see it actually. The trigger isn't perfectly vertical, the mag release is probably tweaking the trigger bow
>>64940978Check your overtravel stop on your trigger shoe. You need more overtravel or this sometimes happens, especially if you recently fit a new sear or hammer, the relationship changes>>64941007Doubt, unless its the overtravel screw
>>64941019Yeah can’t be that, I was basing off a reddit post of a similar problem that was the mag release somehow
Fuck it I'm going to go check out a range that's open late.
>>64941005Skill issue
>>64941120>sig imports poopjeet parts to make your gun>somehow it's a skill issue that I point this out to you
>>64941127Like I said, my 365 has 100% US made parts.
>>64940757Always has been.Outside of their .380 loads which do seem to perform better than most anyone else, I do not see how Hornady so often gets mentioned in the same breath as Federal, Speer and Winchester.
>>64941156Hornady sells packs of 20 where Federal sells 50 for HSTs where I am so I can see how normies justify it since the box is technically cheaper.
>>64940795Oh shit. Speak of the devil, I just got an email from Fedex saying I've got a shipment on the way to my FFL. And sure enough my card has a charge from the CMP.Also damn, looks like they finally implemented online orders for the Tisas clone like the rest of their site. When I bought mine when they had their 30th anniversary sale price they were still only doing mail orders. Kicker is the current online order price is only 99 cents more than the earlier sale price, so it's cheaper now since you're not paying notary fees or postage. Fuck.
I fucking hate Fedex.
>>6494117397% of the defensive handgun ammer I see at the gunstore are the little mini 20 round cuckpacks in jewel boxes. I don't think I've ever seen the supposedly LEO-only 50 packs at a store, only online
>>64941175WAIT A FUCKING SECOND. I just realized that because they don't charge shipping and handling, theirs is the cheapest Tisas you can find new outside of sales. I think that puts it as the cheapest full-size 1911 you can get after RIA, not counting smaller and more dubious companies. Holy shit.
>>64941243Really?
>>64941243Yawn, they just need to release a slimline G19 equivalent already. I'm not going to buy a gun that has a G19 sized grip with a G26 sized barrel and slide, ever. Get it together Glock.
>>64941294...isn't that what the G48 is sans light rail?
>>64941309Needs to have a rail. If my Hellcat can have a rail on it, a G48 can.
>>64941322Get a Streamlight TLR-6 if you absolutely need to have a weapon light on a CCW then.
>>64941207Agreed. My buddy was over just yesterday and asked me what ammo I carry and I showed my 50rd box of Speer Gold Dot and he was shocked it wasn't a 20 round box
>>64941175Isn't it kinda embarassing that the American Civilian Marksmanship Program sells Turkish 1911s?
>>64941384And they want your foid card as default assumption is your need to have one to own gun, fuck them
>>64941384In a way it's very American, taking the best from other countries and just running with it. A HAMBURGer with FRENCH fries is the stereotypical American meal worldwide. It's also more to do with domestic American companies not making good 1911s on the cheap, they're all geared towards mid to high end pricepoints.Even Ruger, which generally styles themselves as yer grandpappy's gun company with affordable price points, has its cheapest 1911 at like $800 (MSRP, so it's cheaper elsewhere). But even then it looks kinda garish, and it's definitely more modern than what the CMP would be looking to sell.
The cheapest Colt is a stainless on stainless government model (gall city) with a spur hammer and bog standard A1 grip safety, for $950. I'm not poor, I don't think $950 is a lot of money, but that gun is 100% going to be vastly inferior to a Tisas B45 for $460 on sale at PSA that has novak sights and a well fit dovetail and all forged parts. Whats the point? Who even buys USGI spec "one handed" 1911s for any purpose besides as a base for projects?Not even going to bother looking at Springfield. I think the Mil-Spec is probably a reasonably good gun, they can be had for like $450-550 used, but again, it's just a fitted frame and slide for me, I'd change every single thing on it. Might as well buy a cerakoted Tisas government or park'd tank commander.
>>64940245Valid points I'll just strictly stick to eating beef and pussy from now on
>>64941426"French" in French Fries actually refers to the cut of the potatoes, not to france. Frenching means to cut into long thin pieces. Potatoes are originally a South American crop it makes no sense that the french would be the 1st to come up with the idea of frying cut up potatoes. It honestly really irks me that the fucking french get associated with such an american food just because people don't know basic cooking techniques.
>>64941294That's the G48 m8>>64941322They make them with a rail retard
>>64941492>>64941492>They make them with a rail retardWell forgive me for not having encyclopedic knowledge of all of Glock's 475,000 models and their nonsensical model names, you raging homosexual prick
he fell for the weaponlight meme... lol
>>64941503>>64941294Didn't even know the G48 exists but feels the need to complain about it not existing despite it being released in january of 2019>>>64941322didn't even fucking bother to google the model to see the first fucking google image result showing it with a railYou are a fucktard. Just don't come back here ever again dude
>>64941518Vicious nigger.
What's the modern equivalent of the now-discontinued PF-9? Ultra slim, pocket sized 9mm.
>>64941503Post dainty wrists
>>64941554Sig 365?If you mean a Single Stack, There is the PF9, Kahr pistols, all the old single stack 9s, etc.
>>64941485>Frenching means to cut into long thin pieces....akshually, while that may be how Frenching is used as a shorthand, the "real" term is julienne. But it's also half of the truth, since the frogs also popularized methods of frying thinly sliced potatoes until golden and topping with salt, with recipes tracing back to French cookbooks in 1794 (La Cuisiniere republicaine) and 1823 (La Cuisiniere de la campagne et de la ville). So they are FRENCH fries by virtue of using a FRENCH style of cutting combined with a FRENCH style of preparation.Plus there's evidence that shows either the Belgians or frogs were the first to widely make frites/french fries. As well that the Bongs and Burgers weren't preparing potatoes in that manner until the Great War, or maybe a little before, and only after encountering it thanks to interacting with the mainland euros.
>>64941628>the modern equivalent of the PF-9 is the PF-9
>>64941554Sig 365 or Bodyguard 2.0 if you dont mind .380
>>6493741592x compact with wraparound grips, then buy the ltt trigger bar and a lighter hammer spring
>When it's been awhile since you went to the range
pastebin and ppanon move overthere’s a new worst shooter on the block
>>64941638>either the Belgians or frogs were the first to widely make frites/french friesThat very well may be the case, they just did not do it in Belgium or France, they did it after traveling to the faraway land where potatos are made. Although I would be surprised if Incans just never tried to fry them.
>At a range I've never been to >Some kids wander in with their own targets>One of them has some hostage shit going on>Pic semi related>Bad guy absolutely destroyed with head shots>Proceeds to mag dump the fuck out of the chick afterwardsKek
>>64941895She’s better than ppanon and considering the gender difference for pastebin she’s better as well.
>>64941901That guys face has some mene potential
>>64936783>Finally watched a video on "The Ounce".Link me amigo I don't know what "the ounce" is
>>64941936https://youtu.be/z632Z1xdepY
>>64940666Are these bad or something? I want one.
>mfw when a neophyte denigrates the Weaver stance
>>64941895>>64941906At 10 yards, I'm a B-zone shooter or better
>>64941895I'm relieved that's not a man with gross fingernails.
Bros, this whole time I thought I was shooting my Beretta slightly to the right... turns out my sights were just off...How annoying, but at least I figured it out so I can fix it
I think I understand the appeal of striker-fired handguns for arming an organization like a police department or military force: simplest manual of arms, very reliable. But as an individual gun owner, why are they an option? Most hammer fired guns offer better triggers for not much more money. I know the trigger isn't the end-all-be-all, but if size, weight, reliability, etc. are similar, why would anyone choose a striker over a hammer?
>>64942199Lighter to CC
>>64942028You do know why they call it Weaver stance, don't you? It's because that's how you stand when a guy weaves in and out of your booty hole with is penis. Shooting Weaver stance is well known way for gays to singal for hook ups at public ranges.
>>64940407>trigger being heavy enough to pull itself when dropped muzzle upIt also had no disconnector so you could fire with the slide unlocked>>64940245>$5 to $6 at taco bellThat still affords you a Lux Box meal>>64941358>shocked it wasn't a 20 round boxGrim!
>>64942229>>64942028Chapman stance is the most based. Weaver is for weird boomers and isosceles is for actual retards.
>>64942239Post guns, targets, groups, splits, anything
>>64937079They could just buy a lot of Tisas and have a better service pistol than the M18>>64940736Idk if to buy a higher endfrienGonna hit the range to harvest more brass. Probably starting to seem weird for going with a mega soda bucket and coming out w it full of brass.
>>64942199Imma be honest...trigger feel is a giant cope. It makes no difference. I can shoot my plastic fantastic striker slop just as well as my nice 1911s and their smoothe ass triggers.Its a staple gun, i get it, quit being a bitch and fucking staple. SproingsproingSPRoING!! What matters most is your grip and consistency, make sure the goddamned gun is in line straight with your wrist and ypure pulling the trigger in a consistent manner. I shot a spohr revolver next to a taurus 66 im double action the other day. Both rung the 25 yard four inch gong six for six. One had a 6ish pound pull and one had a 12 pound double action pull.Consistency.
>>64942308Agreed, trigger autists are insufferable. There are triggers out there that are truly bad like DA PPK pull, but most modern triggers are fine and people blaming triggers for their shit shooting is a case of a poor craftsman blaming their tools
>>64941895Wild Bill told me “You’re pretty good”C96 wasn’t a serious attempt
God damn it I can't type>>64942199>military uses them for simplest manual of arms>implication being that individuals are smart enough not to need thisBuddy have you met strange gun owners? Some of those yahoos are downright dangerous. Where you you think all those holes in the ceiling came from?
>>64942308A worse trigger makes shooting sub .2 very hard, other than that okay
>>64942329>this was the best result of 10 tries so he quit before he spoiled it with the requisite number of 6 shots
>>64942199Cost mostly plus cheap striker fire guns tend to have fewer QC issues because of the simpler mechanism so you get fewer RMAs.I mean, if you were a normie wanting to get something that goes bang for self defense because your wife's boyfriend decided to try to intimidate you with his BBC. Would you buy the strikerslop for 300 bucks or some random hammer fire gun for 500+? Consider just how many more normies there are than gun autists. Markets cater to the money and there is more money in the hands of normies than autists.
>>64942294I think the US wanted to join the striker fad at that point
>>64941156Hornandy is what my usual LGS sells but yeah I do want to switch to Federal or maybe Winchester for my defensive rounds.They're getting old anyway
>>64942335It’s okay. I didn’t even get past three tries before my cast bullets severely fouled my barrel.I’ve done some improvements like a good crimp and more powder volume hopefully it’s good now.>>64942397Cursed
>>64942199Because strikers just fucking work.I have a lot from the P365 to VP9 and they are great.Do I think hammer guns like the 92FS and P226 are better to shoot? Yes, but I normally carry strikers like the G26 or Shield Plus for a reason
>>64941243Wait what ? But what about muh 43 please ? in
anyone here wear overalls and if so how do you carry? obviously appendix sucks but I don't wanna print with a holster on the hip. But I guess overalls aren't good for CCing so I might as well buy a shoulder holster
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>>64942843Do they have fat pockets? You could just pocket carry, maybe attach a holster or sub pocket to hold the gun in a consistent direction
>>64942199In addition to what the other people said, strikers also give you a less-tall slide, which is better for recoil management.The new premium striker guns like the Rideout Dragon and Zermatt Waltz 9 are interesting, because they specifically went striker for this purpose. Time will tell how they perform, but it is a thing.
I can't take it any more
>>64943275What is it so I can outbid you then not pay
>>64943331>>64943275I checked by sorting all handgun auctions by end time and there's nothing particularly interesting ending there. P30L, G43X COA? None of those revolvers are good deals. You should get it, anon.
>>64943345oh it's interesting>>64943331please do, I don't need another
>>64940606Based, I wish you could part the 10mm p220s together like the 45s but I think the legion and stainless one look cool anyways.
>>64942229>Tfw you find out RSO stands for Rape Safety Officer
>>64942028see pic>>64942331>Buddy have you met strange gun owners? Some of those yahoos are downright dangerous. Where you you think all those holes in the ceiling came from?This. Most gun owners are no better than most drivers on the road, they're the same people.I went to the range this morning and I felt bad about my shooting because I am just not very good and I'm a perfectionist in everything I do so anything but strings of bulls eyes is unacceptable to me. Then I realized the guy to my right was shooting his gold glock clone with a red dot like and old woman drives a car, arms bent, gun a foot from his face, and making B zone groups at 5m. The guy to my left had a monster .45LC revolver and was physically shaking as he pulled through the double action trigger and also shooting at 5m, and the baffles are shredded the whole way down the range from hits that somehow are missing targets by multiple feet, and I realized I'm actually doing ok despite sucking by the standards of the qual and wild bill challenge.
>>64943522The guys on the bottom are better shooters than the guys at the top.
>>64943537Source with examples of groups? Fast misses are not "better."
>>64943537There is a guy who is in his 60s on YouTube who slow fires cap and ball revolvers standing sideways at 25 yards and punches one ragged hole. Stance is not universal. Athleticism and the stance to utilize it however is. The guys on the bottom are larping faggots that never have and never will be in a firefight. Anyone who stands like those faggots has never been in a fistfight let alone a gunfight. It's retard level and if you have to post why while following it up with another picture of some other paper punching faggot who once gave some Hollywood actor a blowjob and acted like a fluffer to some team guys once, no amount of words will ever help you understand why.
Got a glock 43 this morning. First time shooting a pistol since ~2017ish. I fucking suck now and I hate this gun but it is quite small so it's what I'm going to start carrying. Anyway uh hi I'm anon and I'm new to /hg/. I'll be here until I can get this down to something respectable.
>>64943583Shoot less in one session and have sessions more often. A couple of magazines then walk away.
>>64943593>A couple of magazinesThey're so tiny though. I couldn't even feel which pocket they were in.
>>64943569I was just making a general statement but Lucas is a pretty good shooter. I would say he's better than Paul, Hicock45. >Fast misses are not "better."People who miss fast will eventually hit fast, people who only ever shoot slow will never shoot fast. Hicock45 is a boomer faggot and Paul never really showed what he could really do, he never showed that he was some sort of god level shooter that people treat him as. While Jerry Miculek shoots isosceles and holds many world records in speed shooting, from 9mm to .50 AE he's one of the fastest and of course he shoots the dominate handgun technique that is Isosceles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChSazF41q-sRejecting Isosceles does not make you better, smarter, faster, than people who shoot like the people on the bottom. >>64943581There he is.
this is the guy talking about "stance" "athleticism" and hates anybody actually shooting fast or practical
>>64943630Him and ppanon would be the perfect couple
>>64943630How's it feel to get stance mogged by a rizzless incel, chudggot?
>>64943630And yet you still probably aren't as good at shooting as this goofy ass mutt
>>64943583assuming you shot left to right, this is pretty solid for not shooting for 9 years assuming a respectable distance of 20 feet.you should dry fire for accuracy, single target, slow trigger pull, sights or the red dot should not move and practice slow fire until you can shoot roughly fist sized at 7 yards, you can practice shooting all into the same hole at 7 but practical shooting is faster and a different skill set. Practical shooting drills. It's good to start on this stuff early and not build up slowfire habits that prevent you from shooting faster. https://youtu.be/niLQOOT5rHEhttps://youtu.be/Dm2ETRjVHi4Predictive vs Reactive shooting is probably the two most important skill sets to learn for practical or defensive shooting. Predictive is shooting as soon as you think you're back on target, this tests grip technique, and your input to the gun. You'll easily see if your pushing the gun down too much (second shots below POA), or you're shooting before you're back down on target (second shots above POA), or you have trigger control issues (left right dispersion in addition to height). Reactive is where you confirm that you're on target before shooting, you watch the muzzle/sights more than predictive shooting. Call your shots, where do you think then second shot should be? It's all about shooting faster and diagnosing issues.Griphttps://youtu.be/c4JzgUnPMsghttps://youtu.be/QHsFa1iDVOw
>>64943583>>64943703Basically the 3 types of shooting to master >Correctiveslow, precise input>Reactivefire as soon as you confirm on target, may or may not let sights settle >Predictiveas soon as you think you're back on targetShooting this challenge may help gauge where you're at skill wise and give you something quantifiable
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>>64943798how the fuck do I fit 5 rounds in my barrel
>>64942403Indeed, had been purchasing Critical Duty from my LGS since the before times but now I have Federal HST [same store] >>64943537>The guys on the bottomHave never killed a man>>64943583Subcompacts blow, get a Glock 45 or something
>>64943911You suck cock at shooting and never practice any sort of actual proficiency other than pizza box groups. And then you hide behind a dead guy having shot people in questionable self defense situations as authority
>>64943919>questionable self defense situationsBahahaha, go back to your country
>>64943931if it went to court it's questionable.
>>64943948also, >>64943803you literally scored 215 and took several attempts to do so
>>64943954>several attemptsI used the wrong targets the first time around because the range didn't have NRA B-8's so I printed out two (2) from Targets4Free and scored 215 twice with completely different group shapes to prove I didn't cheat>>64943948>never heard of prosecutorial discretionYou wonder you failed the citizenship naturalization test and never attempted the qualifier
FUCK>>64943275
>>64943630Fast and quick are two different things. As we have established multiple times I am quicker than you by over half a second or more to draw and fire and HIT a playing card size target at 25 yards. Repeatedly. You fucking comp faggots that poop squat and shoot with your thumbs forward are lemmings. I don't need to fire 15 quick shots. My first one hits face. Every. Fucking. Time. Before. You. Even. Clear. Your. Sidearm....faggot.
My first 25 yard target from today's range session. Groups got a bit better as the day wore on, but I figured I'd post the worst one as it's probably more reflective of my real skill. I'm pretty much brand new to handgun shooting.
>>64943703>a respectable distance of 20 feet.Dunno. About half way to the 25 yard line. I used to be pretty good so I'm going to have to go back and try to redeem myself with a full size. >>64943911>Subcompacts blowI gotta say, I agree. This probably wasn't the right choice but I'm going to try not to think about it too much unless I start to regret it.
>>6494405912.5 yards is even better, 7 yards is 21 feet and is what most people shoot at. Your groups at 12.5 were better than what I was seeing at 7 at the range
>>64943954Aww is that pasty I was talking to? He's my nigga. Still haven't figured out the /hg/ loons.
>>64944046Mad
>>64944062I used to shoot pistols a lot but I've taken some time off to focus on rifles. You might remember a while back I said I got a box of .45 for old times sake, it's still sitting here but I might shoot it tomorrow.
>>64944070Only for .32 seconds.
>>64944057What were you shooting it with?>>64944059Way she goes, pardner. My first handgun ever was a shitty Khar 1911 :L>>64944067How's it going, king
>>64944206Walther PDP full size, 4.5 inch barrel. Stock iron sights.
>>64944042Did you get it?
>>64944247Yeah, target shooting at 25 with combat sights is pretty difficult. If your goal is to keep your group within the A zone, consider a pistol optic!
>>64944283Thanks for the advice, anon. Would you say that's a halfway respectable group for a noob with combat sights? I feel like an aiming reference would've helped too, like a black piece of tape in the center of the A zone.
>>64943919I'm not the anom you're arguing with but referring to Paul Harrel in such a manner makes you come off as a faggot
>>64944372Believe me, people who herald him as a supreme authority on shooting are much worse
>>64944403That's not my point. Referring to him as "a dead guy" just seems spiteful as it's completely irrelevant. If he died in a self defense situation or 100+ years ago it might matter but neither of those things are true.
>Take my main 9mm CCW handguns to the range>Those are my S&W Shield Plus, P365, and Glock 26>fucking trigger on Shield+ is kind of ass for follow up shots>P365 is in the middle for having a good trigger but most recoil>Glock 26 felt the best because I am used to Gen 5 triggers
>>64944435It was disrespectful and maybe I apologize but I really fucking hate pastebin and weaver/chapman niggers
Should I get a fn five seven as my first handgun? I don't care about most aspects of shooting I just think it looks cool. I'm a gay little twink and most guns are on the heavy side for me if that matters. Budget doesn't matter. If not the five seven then I would appreciate some other recs. My favorite companies are fnh hk and berettaThis is a serious post I am being serious
I didn't win shit at the gun raffle and all they had to drink was bud lightFood was midBut at least I was with friends when I was gambling
>>64944471If this is true, then your first handgun should be a used VP9 or a RXM. VP9 since you said that you like HK, and RXM because it is the best starter 9mm out now. The FN should be your 4th or 5th gun since it is in an expensive ammo and finding any holster or after market in general is impossible to find
>>64944471>Five-seveN>First gunPersonally hell no because the ammo is expensiveJust get one of the following>Glock 17>Glock 19>92FS>APXA1>CZ-75>HK VP9>CZ-P10C>PDP>P226>FN 509In short, a 9mm handgun would be the best option, particularly a striker fired one like the Glock 19
>64944206Murder yourself.
>>64944435He has a point though. People who can die are weak and I don't trust them.
>>64944500M&P bros we are tired of being disrespected
>>64944518Nothing personal, I either forget about S&W or CZ
Hm
>>64944536>glockstoreEw
>>64944536I honestly have no interest in a 43x since I have a perfectly fine 26
>>64944403Nobody I have seen here referenced him as a supreme authority. I have seen multiple times him referred to as more of an authority on the subject of military and self defense type shooting information and testing than say people like Ben Stoeger or Massad Ayoob. And Paul Harrell was and his works are a better source on the subject than those two or others. By a lot. Being an expert in military training, the person doing the training and having been in multiple shootings where he came out the winner would be enough. The use of a medium closer to human anatomy than gel gave him and all that watched an education on terminal ballistics. Listening to competition shooters, or lifetime police officers that have literally zero experience being in a shootout is no different than reading the opinions here. They are just that. The opinions of people who have zero actual experience on the subject matter. Someone with multiple experiences, many that can be confirmed, who won every encounter, that's someone to listen too. Paul was old school. And from what I have read of his "experience" he followed a very old rule that works every time. Hit them fist. Hit them hard. Hit them last. TC
>>64944542They were dropping first news about gen v/6 too.
>>64944550>nobody refers to him as a supreme authority >then refers to him as a supreme authority
>>64944569Also Paul’s works, none of his videos really go past beginner or novice level shooting. See this is the problem, did you guys actually watch all his videos like I did? His videos are more infotainment for people to watch while eating lunch then actual training tips.
>>64944309You're already ahead of the game if every round is within the silhouette at 25 yards, that's for sure>black piece of tape in the centerLining the A zone border with electrical tape might be more helpful since IPSC intentionally has them difficult to see at range>>64944468I haven't done anything wrong all year, you need to get over whatever it is that has you acting like a teenage girl
>>64944471Don't worry about a gun I'll protect you. What is your foot game like?
>>64944587Also Paul once claimed to have shot someone in the forest while accosted by several attackers with a .357 magnum. He also claimed to have shot at someone with his 92FS at a 100 yards in one video, making 4 different self defense shootings his claimed to be in. I believe him but he has made some tall claims here. His service in the USMC security forces in Kuwait had no combat, unless that 100y pistol shooting was from there, but his friend from the Marines never mentioned it. None of his shootings were combat, so don’t call it combat experience. >shooting some drunk guy in a truck>shooting some guy breaking through his door >shooting some guy in the forest who accosted him for directions >shooting at someone with his pistol at 100 yards
>>64944548I should have got a 26.
my 26 needs a slide
>>64944569More of an authority than someone who hasn't been in a shooting. And that's what burns your ass. The reality that your favorite paper puncher doesn't know shit. >>64944587That's because literally every single person who has been in multiple shooting military and civilian all say the exact same thing. When the shit hits the fan the only thing that matters is getting the gun out and putting rounds in the direction of the target. Prove me wrong. Paul has said it. Frogman tactical has said it. Shrek has said it. It's not popular but the winner of a pistol shooting is the guy who gets it out and puts rounds downrange first. If I can only shoot groups at 7 yards the size of a basketball but I can draw and fire faster than your split times I win. News flash you don't even need sights on your pistol to shoot a minute of basketball from 7 yards.
I don't own a 1911. Is that Tisas through the CMP a good starting point? This would mainly be a range toy
>>64944661I just went straight for a Colt 1911 Government
>>64944644Kuwait pre war, Bosnia (where my unit was) just because they don't hand out combat patches and CIBs doesn't mean there was not incoming and outgoing fire.
>>64944644https://youtu.be/359SrEKpT14?t=1891Said forest shooting>>64944660What is your argument, Paul never advocates for drawing and magdumps, his videos don’t really talk about doing that at all. While “paper punchers” actually talk about shooting fast and shooting at a “panic” pace. You brought up Ben, someone who actually trains law enforcement and talks about training them to shoot faster, his buddy Matt Pranka was literally in Delta Force and has killed many people and trains/teaches with him. >>64944680Paul was in Kuwait and I do not believe USMC security forces were in any small arms engagement. He may have been shooting warning shots.
>>64944644>>shooting some drunk guy in a truck>shooting some guy breaking through his door>shooting some guy in the forest who accosted him for directions>shooting at someone with his pistol at 100 yardsThat's exactly what a self defense shooting is. Someone trying to rape your girlfriend in a bathroom and trying to run you down in a truck. Someone kicking in your front door. Someone grabbing you on a trail. Someone taking pot shots at you in the desert with a rifle. Your own examples show that Paul has the experience many others lack to formulate an opinion based on reality.
>>64944661Tisas is a good starting point for a 1911 but not in my opinion as a range toy. GI model 1911s suck to shoot IMO, you don’t see a lot of old privately owned 1911s in GI configurations. They often change out the sights for target sights as the GI sights do not lend well for target shooting. I would recommend something with modern sights like Novak or Bomar adjustable sights, a beavertail, and in my opinion a trigger guard undercut.
>>64944685>Paul never advocates for drawing and magdumpsThat's not what I said. Try again. Read, respond in a way that does not misrepresent my comment. Or go back to eating your fat moms disease riddled twat. You feel that dip shit? You now want to play the victim. But you are not. You were rude. Misrepresent my statement. I'll treat you with the same rudeness. Child.
>>64944694In zero of those engagements was his life actually in danger, but he had reason to believe his or someone else’s was. No shoot outs, no traffic stop gone wrong, no domestic violence intervention, he just shoots people the moment he legally can.
>>649446993rd world tier post -10000 izzat
>>64944702Well you wait until the other guy has his gun aimed at you John Wayne. The rest of us will wait and see how that works out for you. For the record the last report I saw said the perp response time was on average. .01 faster than the police response time. Translation, the bad guy tends to be faster. So be first.
>>64944711Is this the part you say cowboy action shooters are the fastest and therefore the most combat effective? Or the SAS guy who gave technical advice for the movie “Heat” is actually the biggest expert? Or that Olympic bullseye shooters are the best?
>>64944718I'd say this is the part where I tell you to watch frogman tactical and get advice directly from a decorated navy seal.
>>64944657I have a slide but no frame. Do you have nice feet?
>>64944718Janny has aids and is a nogunz
>>64944722Matt Pranka is Delta Force which Delta > Sealshttps://youtu.be/wqcri1RHnSo
>>64944732Shrek is Delta force and completely full of shit. Frogman is confirmable.
>>64944737Seals left Chapman to die, operation red wings too
shooting is all about being yourself and having fun!
>>64944680>Bosnia (where my unit was)For real? I loosely know a guy who was over there (friend of a friend).
>>64944750no, shooting is about mastery and self-control!
>>64944744Kennedy, Shrek, Pranka these guys all fit the fisherman mold. I'm all set taking advice from arrogant assholes who caught a fish this big. No wait it was this big. No wait it was this biiiiig. Pikes pistol training is on point to what combat and self defense training should be
>>6494475425th?
>>64944761Taran Tactical is my go to, fatter and greasier than all of them
>>64944768Kek
Got a chance to shoot my Shield Plus for the first time. Was fine, plenty accurate, but sure enough I got hung up in a rapid string by the big flat trigger safety. Will keep training and see if it pops up, but if I’m constantly getting hung up on it I’m just going to switch to a 43x or some sort of 26 long frame.
>>64944767No he was oda.
>>64944780>or some sort of 26 long frame.So a glock 19?
>>64944780Try different backstraps, but yeah I’m completely incompatible with the stock M&P and shield, super easy for my finger to ride upwards and not depress the trigger safety
So the pistol Qual is how many shots at how many yds?
>>64944786Maybe he means slide? I could go for a chopped 19.
>>64944758This.
>>64944786Shorter barrel>>64944787Will look into that but yeah that’s the problem. I have bigger hands and my first index finger knuckle will sort of press on the side of the trigger instead of the front, if that makes sense.
>>64944796This old one was 10 shots at 252 strings of 5 rounds at 15 in 15 seconds 2 strings of 5 rounds at 15 in 10 seconds Easy, but very hard to score 300/300 >>64943798Done on a NRA B8 or B8C.
Why are there no modern gas sealed revolvers?
>>64944901Why would there be modern gas sealed revolvers?
>>64944901Lack of demand and knowledge to make one. If it’s trigger/action activated then it’ll make the DA trigger suck
>>64944901You should get a custom gas mask made that sends the breathing tube directly into you rectum.
For my GP100, I bought some Safariland Comp 3 speedloaders for the range. Now I'm looking into speed strips for concealed carry. Anything else you'd recommend? I love shooting it but it has quite a long reset, otherwise I have no complaints
>>64944947>>64944912Why would I want a suppressed revolver?No idea
>>64945013Gun autism again? I don't understand. Please just use a semi auto pistol, they suppress so well.
>>64944901>>64945013>hurff durr I want to pay $5.60 per round instead of $0.25 per round
>>64945025>Gun autism again?Where do you think we are?
>>64939756Why would you want to shoot something that anemic compared to actual rifle cartridges? At that price might as well be rimfire like .22 lr or mag if you want low recoil, or hell a PS90 if you gotta have your snowflake cartridge..223 is already so mild in carbines and SBRs already, too.
Paul didn't like hyper ammo but what I have now performs better and lasts longer than White Box slop>>64944508sybau>>6494508077gr OTM out of a 10.3" barrel can wreck you or anyone else
Do you think a gen 5 Glock 19 is ever going to have collector’s value on the secondary market since they got discontinued? I figure they made too many of each gen for that to really be the case, right?
>>64945091I meant mild as in manageable recoil. I don’t see why you’d want less than .223 if it’s a defensive weapon, and why you’d choose an expensive cartridge for plinking/small game. If you’re talking about something like the muzzle blast, in which case yeah 10.5” can be shooting fireballs and that gets kinda distracting. I wasn’t disputing its effectiveness. No need to get aggressive you psycho.
>>64945025I’m not that guy but I could see the appeal. No need to worry about Nielsen device or the sound the slide makes, or failures to cycle that can happen more often with subsonic loads if we’re talking certain calibers. Theoretically a super low pressure cartridge that’s naturally subsonic like .44 special would also be quiet as fuck, likely moreso than most auto rounds with less energy.
>>64945111You can load 505 gn hardcasts in 44 Russian brass and it’ll barely fit in an anaconda…. As a subsonic suppressed round that would be an absurd amount of punch
>>64945100The best part is I'm not even replying to your retarded ass and others dogpile on you for being retarded.
Thoughts on the Turkish clone guns?I saw this Beretta clone at the gun store and it looks like a good alternative to the 80X
Does someone have that meme image of increasingly bad concealed carry solutions ending with a rifle inside a cereal box or something?
>>64944403>>64944550Paul Harrell was a great presenter and, from what he showed in his videos and the fact that he actually smoked someone with his AR in a pretty wild self-defense situation, a very competent rifle shooter. But he was objectively not very good with a handgun. .
>>64945600Just buy a real beretta ffs. You might save a couple 100$ on a turkroach copy but should spend most of your money on ammo, in which the gun cost itself is negligible anyway
>>64944550Listening to guys like Ben on defensive or combat shooting is like having a good boxer coach you in MMA. The skills are definitely applicable, and may help you win a fight, but there will be blind spots. Listening to a Paul is like having an old mid tier MMA fighter coach you in MMA, he might not have been the best in the world but he had real experience and wasn't overly focused on one thing. He also had better opinions on stuff like ammo with all of the testing he did. Run and gun guys like Ben are good, they're really fast and pretty accurate, but it's very much like boxing. There is a regimented set of rules that it adheres to, and everyone has a specific setup and starting point whether that be from a surface or a goofy duty belt holster, and the course is predictable, you know about it before you even start. In a defensive shooting the situation is unexpected, unpredictable, and in an uncontrolled environment. And unless you're a cop, you're very unlikely to be drawing from an open carry duty belt rig. Will competition like that help you? Most likely. But there's no reason to get a massive ego about it like people do here. >>64945956>But he was objectively not very good with a handgun.Elaborate. He seemed good to me.>>64945600Even the Beretta versions of those flip barrel aren't great, nor are they very expensive. Definitely don't buy a roach clone of it.
>>64945956Just put a blast can on it>>64945956>not very good with a handgunThe final red pill is that you don't have to be to win a firefight so long as you're grouping in the silhouette more often than the perpetrator which is usually zero times a year and also having less melanin than your assailant(s) often functions as a damage multiplier
>>64944550>>64945994>military and self defense type shooting>combat shootingShooting is shooting. "Defensive/combat/tactical shooting" is cope for people who aren't very good at it. Any competition shooter from any discipline will perform better in the hypothetical self-defense scenarios you make up in your head because they shoot more and they're more inoculated to stress. Plain and simple. Your implication that competition is too different from a "defensive shooting" is so retarded I'm not even going to address it. >>64946008>you're grouping in the silhouette more often than the perpetrator which is usually zero times a year>which is usuallyWhat if it's not?
>>64946049>Shooting is shooting. "Defensive/combat/tactical shooting" is cope for people who aren't very good at it. Any competition shooter from any discipline will perform better in the hypothetical self-defense scenarios you make up in your head because they shoot more and they're more inoculated to stress. Plain and simple. Your implication that competition is too different from a "defensive shooting" is so retarded I'm not even going to address it.Your steel challenge/uspsa cardboard doesn't move, it doesn't have a knife, and it doesn't shoot back, you complete and utter mental midget retard.This is why I say you fucking faggots have big egos, you think you know EVERYTHING and are supersoldiers because you can run a fucking prepared stage.
>>64946049>What if it's not?Yeah, what if your target is actually moving and shooting at you instead of standing geologically still waiting for you behind a fence like your competition targets?
>>64946049The stress of playing a sport like a comp shooter doesn't come close to the stress of paintball let alone an actual shooting. Being in a shooting is very much like being in a serious car accident. It doesn't matter how much you play pretend how you react under that kind of stress will be wildly different person to person. Comp shooters who try and claim they know what to do and how to train for sd/combat are fucking blowhard retard level morons.
>>64946074>>64946090>>64946119>your steel challenge/uspsa cardboard doesn't move, it doesn't have a knife, and it doesn't shoot back>actually moving and shooting at you You keep saying this, but what the fuck is your point? There is literally no way to precisely replicate your tactitard fantasies with a real firearm. If you all routinely participate in professional force-on-force training with simunitions, you may have a point and I will shut up. But somehow I don't think you do. Why can't you get it through your thick fucking skulls that competition is nothing but an attempt to quantify fundamental skill? Of course the targets don't move, or shoot, or charge at you with a knife, or fucking whatever. But you rep the fundamentals of drawing, shooting, changing mags, etc. hundreds and hundreds of times under a modicum of stress. If you don't think that puts you ahead of the curve in a "real gunfight" then there's absolutely nothing I can say that will penetrate your severe learning disability. >>64946119>Comp shooters who try and claim they know what to do and how to train for sd/combat No comp shooters claim that. You tell yourself that because you want to feel secure in the idea that your dogshit groups at 7 yards are "good enough" because you can't/won't to put in the time or effort to improve your shooting ability. Saying "there's not way to prepare for a real-world gunfight" then shitting on competition because it's "nothing like a real-world gunfight" is the dumbest shit ever and I hear it so often.
>>64945097Maybe in 30 years.
>>64945097When do you think a 2020s toyota corolla will have collector's value? Similar deal to a G19.
>>64945956Do you guys really doubt yourselves in a self defense situation? Unless you are fighting someone who is equally as good as you, which I doubt because people who train don’t rob houses or get into petty squabbles, I’m pretty sure everyone here is going to do alright.
>>64946151The only way to practice is to keep a stable of crackheads with knives and have them try to kill you then shoot them. Anything short of actually killing someone is not going to prepare you for self defense. You need to be killing like 50 people per range trip or else you shrimply aren’t going to make it.
>>64946151>your dogshit groups at 7 yards If you call one ragged hole dog shit. There are a multitude of ways to train for self defense and combat. However I've never seen any comp guys suggest them. Telling.
>>64946151>Why can't you get it through your thick fucking skulls that competition is nothing but an attempt to quantify fundamental skillYou are hitting the heavy bag and speed mitts and thinking you will do ok in the ring. That's not how it works. You are hitting off a tee and playing catch with your dad then thinking you will be ok in the world series. You changed a tire once and think you can perform with the pit crew at NASCAR.You are a fucking idiot. The guy you are describing in that break in, hold up, ect who doesn't train has a severe advantage over you. He knows it's happening. Until you learn to train for self defense specifically you are just hitting balls off a tee dreaming of the big league.
>>64944661I would personally get a ruger, they are a little more expensive but you’re getting a much better pistol
>>64946305How fucking hard do you think it is to fight back? Did you piss your pants and start crying once so now you think that’s how everyone is?
>>64946305>>64946271>train for self defense You keep saying this, but you haven't spent a single second describing what that type of training looks like. I'm starting to think you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
>>64946336Considering I got a front row seat to how some of the most arrogant people acted when bullets started hitting humvees and dirt I'd say it's pretty fucking hard for some people. Pretty easy for others. Ever see a guy just freeze at the sight of blood and torn flesh? I have. You are a little retarded cock holster and I hope nobody ever has to depend on you for safety at home.
>>64946378Ok boomer
>>64946371>you haven't spent a single second describing what that type of training looks likeYou made your mind up a long time ago that comp shooting and John Wick movies were the be all end all of training. I'll leave you where you are. It's what you deserve.
>>64946382>Ok guy advocating you take advice from people with experience and train in a way that prepares you for the thing you claim to be preparing for.Janny got kicked chased off ladyboy island.
>>64946397You aren't giving advice you are yelling at clouds. I haven't advocated for anything you're just a fucking retard who needs to shut the fuck up.
>>64946407I've given plenty of advice. You are blinded by your hubris and cognitive bias. It's ok tubby. Not everyone can get an American woman. Some guys have to go to an island for a ladyboy.
>>64946074If you cannot even shoot a prepared stage how are you going to be able to shoot a moving target?
>>64946411>I've given plenty of adviceYou haven't though. Your brain is a puddle of runny mashed potatoes.
>>64946378>when bullets started hitting humveesWe're greymen, not infantry conducting patrols
>>64946413A prepared stage and a moving target are two different skill sets. Here. Simple question. What is the maximum range you can personally draw and fire your edc without ever looking at the sights and reliably (that's 100% of the time) hit a 12 inch paper plate?
>>64946387You tactitard know-nothing losers are so fucking useless, I don't even know why I respond. Zero desire to talk about shooting, but you can opine forever about all the """""real world""""" self-defense scenarios that are bouncing around in your head and how ill-prepared everyone but you is for them.
>>64946431Is the paper plate moving? Did you lose your hard-on for moving targets in the middle of writing this post?
>>64946439What is the maximum difference you can draw your pistol and hit a 12 paper plate 100% of the time without using the sights?
>>64946449Can't answer the question because you don't know. Got it.
>>64946457What is the maximum distance you can hit a paper plate while Naruto running? I bet you can't answer that.
>>64946466So you don't know?
>>64946475So you don't know?
>>64946452>>64946431>competition shooting is useless. Shooting paper plates is how you REALLY train for self-defense got it
>>64946476If you don't know the distance you have zero clue how to react in a gunfight. Inside that distance you draw and shoot. Outside that distance you are better off moving for cover. You not having done step one to prepare yourself for this is fucking insane.
>>64946491If you don't know the distance while naruto running then you have zero clue how to react in a gunfight. Inside that distance you draw your kunai and stab. Outside that disatance you are better off throwing a shuriken. You not having done step one to prepare yourself for this is fucking insane.
>>64946491What about the competition shooting where you draw and shoot, then move between different barriers and shoot at different targets? Like USPSA.
>>64946501I would distract if I was you as well. You haven't even begun to train. Considering you think shooting stages is somehow preparing you for moving targets...
>>64946517Please tell me how you prepare for moving targets. I genuinely want to know. If not for me, then for the benefit of the rest of the thread.
competitionfags are so insufferable. Just shut the fuck up already you retards.
>>64946524the cyclists of the gun world
>>64946517>I would distract if I was you as wellYou already did that when you made up this paper plate thing. I'm just showing you how retarded it is by taking it to a humorous extreme. You have nothing to say.
Gun owners will do literally anything but become good at shooting their guns. Shooting faster than them makes you a gamer. Shooting farther is unrealistic. The only valid form of handgun shooting is drawing your lint and sweat covered subcompact from under your beer gut and printing a lazy ass group on a paper plate at some as yet unknown distance. Anything more than that is absolutely beyond the pale and makes you a "competitionfag".
>>64946521By shooting moving targets. Clays, texas star, noose hangs, hunting, there are a multitude of ways.
>>64946536Knowing how far you can draw and shoot without the sights determines how you will react to a threat in a real life situation. Finding that distance is merely step one in training for SD. The fact you don't even have the information you need to make a life saving decision shows beyond all doubt you don't have a clue what you are doing.
>Be>Lived in CO my whole life>Only get into guns maybe a year ago>Already banned 30-round mags on muh AR so I have to buy 15s or 30s pinned to 15>New fuckass CCW laws start July 1 (already got my classes done just need to get the permit)>SEMI-AUTOMATIC DETACHABLE MAGAZINE BAN WTF (look into this; it's absolutely nuts)Given that whoever wrote the law does not realize this also bans all handgus, I picked the wrong time to git gud with my new Glock 19 Gen 6. I had to wait like a month for my range to get 3 new 15rd mags in I could buy, cause they run out the minute they get them in.This is fucking stupid. Handguns are semi-auto AND have detachable mags. To even get an AR-15 after August 1 I have to do 20 hours training AND get INTERVIEWED by the goddamn county sheriff. Hence why I'm buying what I want/can now.Stupid as shit lads
This policeman survived the firefight after getting shot in the arm and head [skull fracture]. His training regiment is likely a once per year visit to an indoor range for qualification, shooting at a silhouette between five and seven yards away. Basic drills to reduce your draw time and increase your range put you so far ahead of the game that it's unreal. Working on splits doesn't hurt either
>>64946634Ok boomer
>>64946621>claysA real threat will not be flying through the air >texas star A real threat will not be moving in a circle >noose hangs This might be some SASS thing I'm not boomer enough for >hunting A real threat will not be an animal, it will likely be a person. Man, the "not realistic enough" game is pretty easy. Not very enjoyable though, I don't understand why someone would spend hours playing it in a 4chan thread.
>>64946660>A real threat will not be moving in a circleGuess again, competitionfag.
>>64946637The laws are supposed to disarm law abiding people so criminals can kill you and your family, the purpose of the system is what it does.
What are the bestest calibers to use in the mostest realistic gameday training you can perform with the coolest unillegallest gun you can concealed carry?
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>>64946637>CO more cucked now than when I leftGrim! Get out when you can, anon
>>64946897>new thread with this one on page 6kys faggot
>>64936822The Glock was better, they lost favor because of the dumbass requests/ requirements the Army said they wanted.
>>64945981>>64945994fuckk okay, i might have to cancel my purchase then, i only put 50% down
