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Tumbler media is dirty so probably 3 hours instead of 90 min.

is putting the cases in the ultrasonic cleaner for 30min enough? Jus t used hot water and dish detergent

>>64980539
As long as you give them ample time to completely dry, yeah that should be adequate.

SHOO SHOO BRASS GOBLIN

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>>64980133
>Tumbler media is dirty
Here's my method of cleaning media:
>take a paper towel sheet,
>cut in half length wise,
>then cut into strips
>toss in w/ brass & media
P-towel comes our dirty as hell, seems to pull the dirt out of the media

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>>64980573
>>64980582
Thanks for the advice. I'll try on my next batch.

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>>64980582
OK, starting some .30-30 brass now so I'll see how well it works.

>>64980751
>tumbling media
I bought a sack of crushed walnut hulls from a construction supply place for something like $8 for a 40-pound sack. Filled a 5 gallon bucket, gave the rest to friends.
>the tumbling media goblin is the brass goblin's idiot cousin

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>>64981166

>>64980566
>>64980539
What ultrasonic cleaner to buy? I live around people and running a tumbler for 3 hours is a bit inconsiderate.

>>64981491
the one from harbor freight

If I were to jam a 20mm bullet into a 10 gauge hull, how dead would I be if I tried to fire it?

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>>64981491
>bit inconsiderate
Could be worse, you could run a Jeet Shaker 24x7.

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>>64981166
the crushed walnut that they sell has a polishing Rouge added to it.

Stainless pins in a Rotary tumbler filled with water detergent and citric acid will produce the best results. The biggest problem is retrieving the stainless steel pins before they break reloading equipment by getting stuck in primer flash holes .

>>64981588
No. For match stuff you worry about consistency
>bullet depth
>amount of crimp
>overall length
>charge weight
The first 3 are hard to do w/ Lee's "whack with hammer" loading.
The charge weight is almost impossible to get consistent using a powder dipper. You'll want a powder thrower that reliably throws the same weight. And if you're really going for match ammo, you'll probably weigh each powder charge and use a powder trickler.

>>64981748
>biggest problem is retrieving the stainless steel pins before they break reloading equipment by getting stuck in primer flash holes
I tumble brass in batches.
I'll then prime in batches using a RCBS hand primer. That allows me to take it slow, eyeball each flash hole, and look for stuck tumbling media.
Then I reload with primed cases.

>>64981751
>powder dipping is innacurate, use a thrower
Should say this is only true if you don't have a good way to weigh the charges and do so every time. Powder drops also meter like shit for any non ball powder, so they're pretty inconsistent as well. If you plan to use a powder drop for rifle, one of the winchester powders that works for you is the way to go

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>>64981569
Thanks!
>>64981742
That's EXACTLY what I think about whenever I consider running it, and decide not to run it.

>>64981885
>Powder drops also meter like shit for any non ball powder,
Stop using shitty throwers. Good ones have no problems.

>>64981930
Good ones still have problems. Stick powders just don't like them. The best ones are electric tricklers with a scale they drop into

>>64980582
Used dryer sheers!
I have dozens in my garbage can in the basement. I cut 4 into 1/3s and I'll see if those work like the paper towels.

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>>64980751
Results from the torn up paper towel.

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And now to try cut up, used dryer sheets.

>>64982698
>>64982708
ITT anon gets nominated for Nobel Prize in science

>>64982862
No, no. Not me it's this anon >>64980582 who deserves all the credit. If anything I'm just helping prove his claims.
Spoilet alert: he's 100% correct.

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I think the paper towels are better because the media doesn't stick to them. Dryer sheets, meh.

Anyone know why, with Winchester 231, I'm getting poor ignition with copper jacketed bullets in 45 Colt and 38 Special? When testing powder charges I got a squib, even when following published data and verifying every charge that went into cases. Do I have to use a very heavy crimp compared to lead bullets for 231?

>>64983676
What primers, pistol or rifle?

>>64983680
Pistol, regular small and large pistol primers. Specifically tried in an Uberti 1873 cattleman and a S&W model 64. I got a 1lb can of it to try because it's what's available locally and my other go to powders are unobtanium (WHERE's THE UNIQUE?!). Published loads for lead bullets worked flawlessly and performed as expected. Didn't adjust crimp strength on dies when moving to copper jacketed bullets. That's the only thing that makes sense, is that the crimp needs to be much stronger for copper jacketed for whatever reason.

>>64983140
>I think the paper towels are better because the media doesn't stick to them. Dryer sheets, meh.
Now, to complete your pursuit of the Nobel Prize in Reloading Science, try baby wipes.
>they can take shit of a baby's butt
>they might be able to pull dirt out of the media

>>64983694
load density? Seating depth?
>for whatever reason
Well that kind of makes sense, lead is a lot softer and will crimp more easily

Going to load up some 245gr .308 loads when my new barrel gets finished. I wish there were more round nose options available but I get why that's not really a thing. Hopefully I can get a burn rate for this powder dialed in so I can more accurately predict the velocity, right now I'm just going off of QL

>>64983858
For the 38 Special seating depth didn't change between lead and copper jacketed, had crimp grooves in essentially same place. quick calculation puts a 3.8gr charge of WIN231 at a density of 0.1618 g/cm3. But I was getting almost perfect results with 158gr lead SWC with 3.6gr of powder. Very strange.

>>64983848
>baby wipes
I won't. I have respect for wet tumbling reloaders and anons who use ultrasonic cleaners, but it's not my style.

>>64983676
what charge weight? I basically only load .38spl with w231/hp-38 @4.4gr, but I only shoot cast lswchp. as for primers I only noticed cci's being the hardest and federals being the softest/best for guns that strike lightly

>>64984495
158gr jacketed hornady, using my old Lyman manual and Hodgdon's site i started at 3.8gr, but was still getting puffs and borderline squibs with heavier charges. The published data for 158gr LSWC worked as advertised. I think I just need a heavier crimp since I didn't change the tension when switching from lead to jacketed. It's very strange, I've never had this issue with any other powders

>>64984419
>protein shaker
>warm water + dish soap + lemon juice
>?
>profit

>>64984513
I can't speak for the 1873 but do you have the mainspring tensioned properly? I know my 64-8 would light strike on fast da occasionally until i tightened it up.
3.8 grains is a little anemic but you shouldn't have too much unburnt powder either

Had /hg/ open on a different tab and accidentally posted this there
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I can't wait for my barreled action to get finished, going to start testing these

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>>64984525
I'm anti acid on brass
Seems like it may wear away at it
I'll stick with what I know

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This is factory 223 ammo, is the difference in primer seating depth here a potential problem?

>all these expensive cleaning medias
>not using the cheapest rice and a glob of turtle wax polishing compound
Come on people.

>>64985876
Seems like it would leave a residue

>>64985901
I've been doing it for years and never had an issue. The only thing it's not good at is getting primer pockets spotless, and sometimes grains of rice get stuck in the primer holes if I decap first.

I have one of those two drum rotary tumblers from harbor freight. I've modified it to mill small batches of black powder using lead media with one jar or process individual chems in the other jar with ceramic media. If I clean a jar and get the apropriate media is it possible to use this for cleaning brass?

>>64985915
>not good at is getting primer pockets spotless, and sometimes grains of rice get stuck in the primer holes
I'll stick with corn cob, but rice seems like an abundant solution should someone have a tumbler and no media.

>>64985767
Potential problem for what? Consistency? Yes. Reliability? I very much doubt it

>>64985944
Yes, but it's not going to work very well. Those HF shitters don't have much ass so you would have to do it in very small batches or it won't rotate
>lead media
Use brass you animal

I have have titegroup and 200 grain .452 jacketed bullets. Will I kill myself if I use this for 45 colt?
Also.. how does titegroup perform with .44mag loads?

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Brass jews win again

is there still a component shortage? i've had a few hundred cases and bullets of 45-70 for a bp rifle for a few years now, haven't done anything with them.

>>64987606
>titegroup
It'll work but they would be lower velocity loads. I loaded some .357s with Titegroup and they're essentially .38 Special +p+
Check out Serria via searching. They have.pdfs per caliber.

>>64987758
I wouldn't say so, everything's just retardedly expensive. my 150$ investment on 5500 small rifle primers has panned out very well for a brick its 89$ now certain powders are not in the stores I frequent anymore, I haven't seen a can of imr 4064 since 2018 same for red dot and a few others.

>>64987588
why would I use brass media to mill BP?

>>64989064
Lead makes it much dirtier. I should clarify that I don't mean cases, I mean chunks of brass

>>64989123
hasn't been an issue for me given I'm using tin/antimony hardened media. It doesn't contaminate powder like pure lead. I could see why you wouldn't use it for cases though. I've got a bit of pyro equipment sitting around I was curious if any of it could carry over to reloading too to reduce startup cost a bit.

>>64991173
Nta but If you're using it for pyro stuff and not muzzleloading it's not really an issue. I've seen bp milled with both fired from muzzleloaders and the lead milled stuff was insanely dirty compared to brass, course idk if that was pure lead or alloyed so maybe I'm full of shit

I did an inventory of my bullets, primer count and how much powder I have. Ended up ordering 2,000 9mm bullets and now I think I have a relatively even number of components.

>>64992471
I realized I'm just about out of cci large rifle after I threw out the last of my winchester. At least it's easy to find them, now.

>>64992480
>threw out the last of my winchester
Like in the garbage? Were the primers defective?

>>64987606
out of a 4.75" Uberti Cattleman Hombre using 7.0gr of Titegroup I was gettin approx ~850fps, and 7.5gr (which is max load per Hodgdon) was getting ~975fps with 200gr jacketed bullets. I also have a note here "low POI?" and "fireball?", but can't remember why there are question marks.

>>64988434
I haven't seen any IMR powders at all locally. I've had to start experimenting with BLC2 and WIN748 for my milsurp cartridges. My M1 Garand must be fed.

>>64992514
They were probably fine, but a lot of them were showing signs of corrosion and winchester primers were always a little inconsistent for me so I've left them sitting in my cabinet for years

>>64992609
Hogdon makes a lot of it. Literally the same powders, just different brand. You might find better luck looking for that

>>64992785
>showing signs of corrosion
Hmmm. Good to know. I have Federal and Winchester large pistol primers.

>>64992810
Ya, I keep my cci's in the same place and they're still as shiny as the day I bought them. It may just be a psychosomatic but I see no reason to risk it

>>64992845
I don't think I've ever bought Winchester Large rifle primers. But good to know, thanks!

>>64992845
Winchester rifle primers are some of the shittiest. At least one from every case will crack or pierce with soft loads.

Idk why people moan about neck sizing 7.5 Swiss, works on my machine

>>64980539
30 min will probably make them go green

>>64983869
2300 or something?

>>64993935
Powder you mean? Going to be using trail boss. For load density

>>64993953
Nah the fps estimate although now I'm thinking you want to go subsonic

>>64992845
sometimes corrosion can mean they were a harder metal

>>64993961
O, ya. They'll be 1050ish.

>>64993993
If you ever need help for subsonic 308 especially for hunting you might want to ask here. NZ has always had legal suppressors and people here shoot much more deer than anyone else in the world I believe. It's a tricky round from what I can tell, I do a hell of a lot of suppressed subsonic shooting but it's all rabbit shooting with a 22lr lol

https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.nz/f10/

>>64994048
Thanks I'll check it out. Getting the load density high without going into transonic territory has been the hard part thus far. I've not had any real problems floating around 70-80% but I'm concerned about excessive fouling if I shoot that a lot

>>64980130
I'm new to reloading and got a 12 gauge shotgun (turkshit pump don't get excited) And was wondering if any of you had experience pressing the crimp down by hand or if it's one of those things you NEED a press for.

>>64994074
Yeah although I've heard trail boss is some dirty stuff too. It's been unobtainable here for a long time, may as well be fairy dust

>>64983140
What media are you using?
My corn cob shit actually makes the cases less shiny.

>>64994087
Not sure many people reload 12ga these days because it's hard to even match the cost of factory

>>64994113
slugs are expensive mainly, I'm talking along the lines of taking birdshot and casting it down to 00 buck or slugs, this is less "should I?" and more "I want to try" the main expense in terms of supplies seems to be powder.

>>64994119
Ahh I get you now. Should work, I've seen slugs that are basically exposed, no crimp spchinter, so I guess it's just needed to keep the shell together, doesn't effect pressure

>>64994096
They stopped making it for years, but I've read that production has recently restarted

>>64994150
Awesome, that's about what I figured, it's just plastic at the end of the day.

If I get a semi-exotic caliber like .454 Casull/.45 Long Colt, will getting reloading supplies pay for itself quickly?

>>64994456
Yes.

>>64994456
If you don't place monetary value on your time then yes, in the long run you can definitely save a lot, but it IS a bunch of tedious work. The bigger appeal is being able to make and tune your own loads. For example I make handgun loads for my BFR 45-70. I also make light and heavy 454 Casull loads, with several of the loads coloring way outside the lines of published data.

You will end up paying more than you expect. You won't know enough about what bullets and powder to use, following load data doesn't mean that load works well in your gun so you're going to have to experiment which means $$$. You'll get tired of cleaning and drying brass like a 16th century peasant, so you'll buy more equipment than you anticipate. You'll spend way more time than you expect reloading. I'm like 6 years into reloading and I've spent way more money and time than I ever expected but it's a hobby for me. It's hard to recommend getting into if you're just focused on "saving money."

>>64994421
Better research more though

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>>64996620
Watching sg1, based

>>64996621
It's too good to watch in my living room so I watch when I reload.

>>64996633
Going to put on DS9 next time. I have 150ish cases of 6.5cm I need to load up on my forster. It'll be a good long day of hand loading

>>64980130
What scales do you guys use?

>>64996636
Nice! I haven't loaded a bottleneck cartridge in over 10 years, but I'll do some .30-30 for this summer at some point to blast at the range.

>>64996646
I use frankford arsenal digital scale. It's ok, but digital scales are generally pretty meh on the lower end. The high end, blvery expensive ones are great. If you want something cheap and also very consistent, get a beam balance

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>JCFP
Jacketed Conical Flat Point
I don't know if it's an actual term but it makes sense to me.

>>64996646
RCBS 5-0-5, Lyman Pro500, Lyman Autoscale.
Have the RCBs slicked up can see the deflection from one powder grain.

>>64996636
I personally wouldn't load with a TV going. Audio only, too easy to do a little goof job, even if it's unlikely I'd think twice before firing

>>64996646
RCBS chargemaster supreme, family got it as a christmas present while it was on a pretty hefty sale. its been very consistent and dispenses fast enough for my needs, my only complaint is that the powder cup sits a bit too low under the spout and especially with spherical powders itll have a bit bounce out of the cup but resting the cup at a slight angle helps some but i am looking for a taller cup thatll work with it
>>64996680
if its the same im thinking of, i learned it as truncated cone flat point
its neat that RRP has those for 45 but if youd like them in 9 RMR sells them in all the major 9mm weights

>>64996646
Just normal Hornady digital scales which are basically exactly the same as the type on AliExpress for weighing drugs. Works ok for me

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>>64996900
>truncated cone flat point
OK, thanks fren! The jacketed part is important because I can shoot it through my ported barrel. But I should use a more common acronym for sure lol

>>64996941
Wouldn't you just call them what they're called on the box

>>64996947
There's no explicate name on the box

>>64996666
checked
>>64996747
>>64996900
>>64996901
Thanks anons. How fast are the balance ones to use? Are they pretty responsive? My current digital scale will randomly get off by .5-1ish grains and then I have to go back and check a few rounds before that to make sure they aren't off. It's annoying enough that I'm willing to take longer for each round so I don't have to go back and redo anything.

>>64999798
Just as fast as a digital. Less prone to fuckups. Possible to calibrate yourself.

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Really tempted to buy a handful of these even though they're just a meme

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>>64999864
>Flat base

Anyone ever use Long Shot for .357 magnum?
Also why does H322 smell so bad? Lol

>>65001335
It's a payload bullet, I don't know a one that isn't flat base

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Anyone ever tried the pulldown 5.56 powder? My current non reloading projects are on a collision coarse with my reloading projects and I’m hopefully going to be needing to reload the absolute cheapest 5.56 I can. Accuracy is not an issue, just bulk bottom line reloading to work up the cheapest load with no extreme outliers….

why is powder so expensive now but other stuff is getting cheaper? primers are now in the $40 range per 1000 which is cheaper than pre-covid when you account for judaic money devaluation but powder is now like $70/lb

>>65003535
I noticed that too but I don't have an explanation.

>>65003535
Post 2022 powder in general shat the bed. Primers did too for a bit.

>>65005202
Artillery shells whack powder production hard… not so much for primers

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>>65005958
Makes sense

>>65003535
>cheaper than pre-covid
Depends how pre you mean. I was getting them for $30 not that long ago.

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>>65005976
thats what i meant exactly. $29.99/1000 was normal price in 2019. they are currently back down to $40/1000 which is cheaper before the inflation following the jewish bankers bioweapon of 2020 and subsequent currency devaluation

Anyone do .357 specifically for lever action? How much velocity does the barrel add? And if it's a significant increase should I load them on the lighter end?

>>65008560
it depends on powder burn rate noob.look at a manual all the slow powders will see huge velicity gains from the longer barrel.

>>65008560
I had some 125 gn 357 on h110 that was doing 1580 out of my 6.5 inch Blackhawk, that jumped up to 2228 fps out of my buddy’s 18 inch (I think) lever action…. 21.7 gns of h110….