Yang Wei, designer of the J-20, has perished. Press F to pay respects.
>>65009995Dead commie = good commie. Good riddance.
What are the odds that the J-21 is actually stealth?
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>>65010004It's so stealthy that it disappeared it's own owner
>>65010020>it's realkek
>>65009995>designerYou mean a tracer?
>>65009995Shame he didn't defect to the US. He probably couldn't have contributed much to existing platforms or future ones, but this is still the loss of an excellent, capable mind that could have done great things.His death should serve as a warning to other Chinese designers, inventors, and engineers, as well as anyone else of note - keep your options for escape to the West open and on the table.
>>65010037The party exercises it's control with whatever means they can carry such as their family. Just look at Jackie Chan, he became a model party talk piece after the regime threatened his family
>>65009995Head of AVIC just got a death sentence too, literally happened today. See picrelated. Wild stuff.
>>65010066It's hilarious. Chinks are all about theatrics that display shock and awe, but not actual military performance. It's a quality I will never understand, and whenever chink military equipment is used, it's usually shit. The Venezuelan and Iran chink AA performance has been a complete embarrassment, and I assume that it's designed will meet a similar fate soon
>>65010066>We're going to kill you in two years, don't be late to your executionI'm guessing the idea is to make a statement and that in two years time they'll just quietly forget about this?
>>65009995>Last month, three Chinese lawmakers with ties to the defence sector were removed from their positions in the country's parliament. Tan's successor at AVIC, Zhou Xinmin, was ousted along with nuclear-weapons researcher Liu Cangli and Luo Qi, chief engineer of state-owned nuclear-power giant China National Nuclear Corp.Explains the recent seething
>>65010092The sentences are commuted to life imprisonment in most cases, unless there's extremely high publicity.Of note: Chinese prisons are notorious for a high number of death under suspicious circumstances.
>>65010020holy fucking god
>>65010103Them replacement organs for the CCP don't grow on no trees!
So, uh, did this guy actually have a meaningful role in the development of the J-20 or was he just the schmuck who was left holding the bag when reality came knocking?I'm not exactly an expert on the CCP but executing someone who was at least nominally responsible for the closest thing that China has ever had to a latest-generation military aircraft seems like a waste.
>>65010066God I wish we executed people for corruption
>>65010218This is china. They'll delay his execution for years until everyone forgets about it.
>>65010209I'm willing to bet schmuck holding the bag. The real failure was probably in the engine development program and it just took him as collateral damage because the most egregious failures happened while the engines were in the jet.
>>65010254There's only one article claiming problems with the aircraft and it's a tabloid without much credibility. I'm pretty sure the problem has to do with the performance of Chinese radars in Venezuela and Iran and the fact that they were designed and tested against the J-20, considering they v& the radar designers as well. My guess is that the Chinese are just now discovering that American aircraft are far less detectable than they had thought, and the J-20 doesn't even come close.
>>65010218sadly, that strategy usually just breeds people who are really good at hiding corruption. Or bribing the executioners.
>>65010265It's also possible that they overestimated the effectiveness of the radars which in turn led to overestimating the effectiveness of the J-20's VLO characteristics. Or it could be a back-and-forth in an over-estimation feedback loop they're now concerned may have left them under-equipped on both aircraft and their IADS.
>>65010254If his wiki page is to be believed then at least for a while he was The Guy at Chengdu. In an authoritarian system it’s always possible his achievements were inflated because of connections, but he did seem to have quite the resume.
>>65010265The J-20's had engine problems for years:> J-20: First flew with Russian Saturn AL-31s> J-20: Switches to WS-10Bs in 2015> J-20: Switches back to Saturn AL-31FM2 in 2017>J-20: Switches to WS-10Cs in 2019>J-20A: Finally gets tests with the original intended WS-15 in 2023It's the F-14's story with the TF30 all over again, except it sounds like it had even more detonations. The engines have been the millstone around the J-20's neck and that's probably the reason why they didn't give it a gun- they knew it'd be shitfucked if it ever got into dogfight range and so it's gotta be a BVR-only platform.
>>65010296I'm not saying the J-20 never had engine problems, I'm saying that the timing (right after the designers of the "anti-stealth" radars disappeared after their radar, which was tested against the J-20, failed to perform twice in two months) implies that it was something other than the engine problems it's been having for its entire life. And on top of that, why purge the plane designer if it's the engines that are crap? He's not designing the engines, and it's probably not his call whether to use domestic or foreign engines.
>>65010269never thought about this, but it feels like the same argument as drugs should be legalized cause anyway people are going to use them. Argue with me now or I'll have to call your mom a fat pig or something to get your attention
>>65010348In a sense he's right that ANY negative incentive will often optimize not for not doing the bad thing, but simply doing the bad thing sneakily. The issue is when doing the bad thing sneakily, for a level of sneaky that can slip under your detection methods, is still higher than your acceptable maximum of the bad thing. Then you have a problem where you have optimized the baddies, basically acting as natural selection for them where the remainder are the nastiest and most tenacious.
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>>65010352Just improve the detection until it's not worth it to commit said crime. Seems like it worked well so far with airline terrorist stuff. Or just make the punishment so horrible that nobody will dare, not a death sentence but like life of controlled torture. Doing nothing cause criminals might evolve seems like the worst decision possible
>>65010356Obviously there is a sufficiently draconian level of enforcement to bring any crime down to an acceptable level. The question is if you can reach that level where enforcement is actually net positive before you sufficiently piss off everyone else and they chuck you out a helicopter. Because spending a billion dollars in anti-corruption work to prevent 100 million dollars in grift is obviously not worth the effort.
>>65010348No, it's a question of enforcement. The severity of punishment doesn't reasonably steer people away from crimes like corruption and drugs because people aren't rational actors. A corrupt plane designer doesn't stop to think "I won't accept s trillion yuan because I'll die", or they might, yet still discount the possibility of getting xaught because of positivity bias and human tendency to discount the future at the expense of short term gain. With corruption the severity doesn't help, it just drives it further underground. Corruption is also further reduced by incentivizing reporting and whistleblowing, same as with safety culture. It's a proven fact that safety improves the best when reporting is clear and incentivized.Besides, comparison between drug crime and corruption is a false comparison. They're two different crime classes with different results. Corruption targets societal structures like stealing money from tax-funded institutions, drug crime is illegalized trade of material goods. So it can be credibly argued that drug trade isn't no more different than nicotine or alcohol trade, just made illegal, whereas corruption is a completely different class of crimes.
>>65010352Basically this. In any given population, you have about 20% people following the rules, 60% opportunists and 20% that will break the rules. So you don't make a system for people to follow because that will net you only 20% compliance, you make a system that will prevent them from breaking it, which if done correctly (ie risk outweighs reward in the eyes of opportunists) will ideally net you 80% compliance. On the flip side this will over time make those 20% even more capable of gaming the system, which will spill over into opportunists and eventually break the system, restarting the cycle all over.>>65010348>legalize drugsEither make it prohibitively costly for opportunists to engage in (draconic laws a la south east asia) or make it accessible for everyone but shun their use via culture and dont provide any kind of safety net via governmental programs so it becomes a self correcting problem over time (this will sadly not work because population has been turbofucked by so many recent societal upheavals that it has absolved itself of any form or responsibility for anythingon personal level, thus resulting in increasingly overbearing state apparatus)
The problem with excessively severe punishments is that it creates a culture where ANY form of responsibility is shunned because the detection system can and will misfire or be intentionally abused for political reasons and you really don't want to be the one holding that bag when it goes off. It's how you get the nonsense of Stalin-era industrial policy or the economy of China committing suicide during the Cultural Revolution.
>>65010047I thought JC hated his kids? Or vice versa
>>65010218God can you imagine? Fuck I'd settle for extended, non-commutible, non-pardonable sentences.Any real consequences at all really.
>>65010430This is also a problem that peacetime militaries often fall into. I've heard it be blamed for some of the issues the USN is having right now too. If a captain objecting to an order because his ship and crew are in no state to be doing it and a captain having a fatal mishap under his command will do the same thing to his career, then there's not really any structural incentive to do the former over rolling the dice on the latter, and in fact are now selecting out the people who would've tried to avoid it.Same thing as the Soviet problem. If failing to reach a goal is a gulaging, trying to raise enough of a stink about the problem before failing is a gulaging and pretending you did the thing is only a gulaging if you get caught, then in the process of trying to encourage the best outcome you've actually encouraged the worst.It's also why modern air safety is built around no fault, no punishment incident reporting. Admitting to an innocent fuckup typically just gets you more training and maybe even improvement in the procedures that led to it.
Did you noticed chinkshill just stop appearing now after this J-20 scandal?
>>65010506He’ll come back with a new narrative as soon as he thinks he has an (percieved by him) american embarrassment to spam 20 threads per week about. I’ve noticed when shills are embarrassed they feel they need some sort of “comeback” in order to return to shilling, even if it’s a lie, a misrepresentation or the US simply doesn’t care and isn’t embarrassed. The F35 with training weights on the nose during an exercise being a good example.
>>65010004Its stealth is so stealthy nobody's seen it, only claims of it.
>>65010004Every plane is stealthy when flying at night.
>>65010506>yang wei was the chinkshill
>>65010348At the end of the day, these are cultural issues and you can't solve them through punitive means.
>>65010218It doesn't work cause then they just have a patsy and/or scapegoat ready to go and since peoples' bloodlust is satisfied nobody cares to keep looking, and nobody wants to admit they got the wrong guy.
>>65010360It's easily the other way around in terms of damage and cost, asshole
>>65010037That's not enough in some cases.Plenty of forced emigration of ex-chinese citizens back to the great not-soviet-union at the hands of secret police.
>>65010000>thisBetter dead than red
>>65010218>killing people for corruption This is how you get more corruption.
>>65009995He didn't fly so good?
>>6501003720 year old stolen (closer to 30 at this point) is pretty useless to the people that you stole it from though.
>>65010648Stolen data fuck trying to phonepost while wiping my ass is too hard this morning.
>>65010073Just a reminder that Chinas greatest military victories all happened when Chinese fought themselves.
>>65010692Why, don't you find extremely implessive how in the 5 kingdom era the greatest Wank general of the name Sung, with just a force of 139 men defeated the 230k strong Chug army just by staring at them menacingly? Chug forces expecting a trap had no choice, but to off themselves. Truly the greatest commander in history of mankind.
>>65009995I guess his work wasn't that IMPLESSIVE at the end of the day
>>65010692Just remember to eat the children, old people and women first when under siege
>>65010218>>65010603by corruption the ccp means "spying" and we in america kill spies all the time
>>65010811Name three. Bonus points if they're from the current century.
>>65010561Should we hold a vigil?Fly high, yellow cowboy
>>65010811Corruption is just a catch all term in communist nations that punish failure. People lie to save their jobs from impossible standards and then get killed/jailed when Grand Pooba finds out about the lying when the lying cant be obfuscated.
>>65010000checked for quads of truth
>>65009995>not even a link to a jeet tabloid article anymoreI didn't think this shill op could get any more sad. You managed to surprise me.
>>65010749and always remain loyal
>>65011018>>65010749And when China does nothing, do even less than that.
>>65010037>he didn't defect to the USThat you kn
>>65010749a true command, a Chang among changs, came forth and offered his concubine as their dinner to their men as a show of leadership and determination
>>65010004its so stelffy the superstelff radar couldnt detect it.
>>65010000Octoquads confirm
>>65011556I take it that Lebanon's getting merked then
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>>65010648>>65010654The data is one thing, but the individual is still obviously a capable mind that should be put to use in some kind of way.Like, I felt the same way about The Unabomber.Fucking dude was a batshit terrorist, but also a legitimate genius, who actually had a PhD in mathematics.Do you know how hard it is to get a fucking PhD in math? That's incredible.Having him wallow away in solitary instead of being given the opportunity (or forcing him even) to advance the field in some small way was pants on head retarded.
>>65009995why though? ate a bat?
>>65011655>(Better known for his other work)
>>65011556I dont care for zionists but what does this have to do with chink thread
>>65009995So, uhh, where did he go? Where is he now?
>>65011721To bug heaven.
>>65010209He was the brain behind it. It exploded during a live demo in front of Winnie the Pooh. Xi had been told it was fully through all testing and battle ready. Turns out the J20 isn't even past the prototype phase. Xi had him executed on the spot then and there.
>>65011655>he just blew the competition away
>>65010027Hey now, an advanced compost hull is very useful for when these things take a gunslinger to the chin and the frames have to be disposed of. It's environmentally friendly.
>>65010037I mean if he knew he was gonna get shanghai'd and xi jinpoofed he probably would have fled. He probably thought the pla would not kill off a senior designer just out of spite but people forget the China we are dealing with now is actually way less logical than the frenemy-state we knew of pre xi.
>>65012538Yeah I heard about that, they use female pilots in demos just to save a few pounds too right? Because the engines are actually much weaker than stated specs and/or there is some kind of flaw in its airflow that kills lift much more than it should? Dunno if that is all true however. Although if they mean "the ws-15 that we absolutely intended to be the real engine for this thing is actually a total piece of shit" that would also explain why the J-36 has three engines. Because it couldn't get off the fucking ground with two.
>>65010254I heard the front department dropped the ball on that one when the front fell off.
>>65010073Pakis are 80% of chinkshit export and India completely btfo of their chinkshit AD. Had pakis begging for ceasefire in 3 days
>>65009995Really? I didn't know he was sick.
>>65010296>It's the F-14's story with the TF30 all over again, exceptexcept the f-14 was designed over 50 years ago
>>65010348The problem is twofold. Firstly if you just execute anyone who is corrupt, those guilty of grift will fight tooth and nail to avoid death, moreso than if you just jail them and take what they've stolen. You'll see a lot of people thrown under the bus Russian style to avoid the inevitable and oftentimes just produce a lot more trouble than it's worth if you have an open society with things like human rights. This goes a step further if you put the threshold for execution too low or define corruption too broadly and start killing people who really shouldn't die over like a thousand bucks. Secondly this makes politicizing anti corruption to kill anyone you don't like really easy. Look at what's current ongoing in China, and you'll see a good portion of purges are due to the fact that the officials are technically corrupt in some way. Even if this is true, its that they oppose or have failed Xi in some way, as all harsh regimes fundamentally require practices indistinguishable from corruption to function. The real solution is having constant but middling punishments and heavily, promote civic culture and pathways for reporting like other anons have already mentioned. That being said in an ideal world every corrupt official who has caused over 100K of losses would be burned alive in front of their loved ones if they are western, and should be given a Mao Medal of Anti-Chinese excellence if they are Chinese.
>>65010269Gee, I guess we should never punish criminals, then.
>>65000000>>65009995>>65010020>>65010000Is he truly dead?!?
Paper tiger status?
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>>65010004it's not even supersonic. you can tell by the way it looks
>>65022483jetussy
>>65022483uhhh, why are the covers for the engines colored like that?
>>65022821>f-funnyyou're not laughing, you're angry.>c-cope narrativeKEKanyway, good to see that this thread made you angry, that's an added bonus.
>>65022830>made you angryI like that this place has such threads, I like that burgers repeat the routine I described
>>65022821
>>65022881I know this will make you cope harder, many such cases in the past, but I happen to be European, Polish specifically
>>65022894I smell dennis
>>65010066Holy shit, so it was true. I thought that original link posted here a couple of weeks ago about the J-20 not being stealthy at all was just a joke, but this pretty confirms it, right?
>>65010506>J-20 scandalI did not visit /k/ for like 2 months, qrd?
>>65023120Basically a website has claimed that the lead designer for tje J-20 has lied about every single capability of the plane to Xi Jinping, making it seem that it was capable of defeating the Raptor on a one-to-one combat, whereas in reality it is far less capable, even with its DAS and EOTS capabilities.
>>65023119>where are the proofs?
>>65023159So, no evidence?
>>65022894
>>65023239>>65023474All of the elites are satanic pedo jewlovers you retard.That's why they never rat out the other side.
>>65010000i disagree but yield to your quads
Why can't you guys be normal, I just want to talk about fighter jets
>>65011693>>65011655Kazcynski was actually a professor at uni but unironically the CIA gave him amongst other LSD and put him thorugh weird mental torture "for research purposes" and it fried his brain
>>65023805I think the joke might have gone over your head.
So is there any source for his death?
>>65009995Spointless commie chinksect copypasta hivedrone
>>65010000>Dead commie = good commie. Good riddance./thread
>>65024812shut up chinksect
>>65015626Our current system of punishing criminals with hard labor is sufficient enough.
>>65009995so how badly underspec are j20s really?
>>65025234If only the corrupt paid with many years of hard labor, instead of a small fraction of their ill-gotten wealth.
