it's gonna cover up to 10% of europe's needs by 2050. does that mean that it will find more use in the military as well?
>>65121202for referencehttps://energy.ec.europa.eu/topics/eus-energy-system/hydrogen_en
The power requirements of the future battlefield are wacky and its leading to some wacky technologies being developed in response. DARPA's work on power-beaming is the most developed ('we need more pylons' if you're Korean) but you also have work to harvest power from the waves.But hydrogen is at a disadvantage here as its hard to store and transport with its corrosive nature which makes it unsuitable for battlefield use. You'd be better off using solar and batteries.
>>65121210hydrogen is best suited for large hardware, such as ships or tactical bombers. modern fighters require way more energy per weight ratio so it is likely they'll use e-fuels and synthetic fuels instead. as for tanks, i don't think electric would be a bad idea, especially considering how powerful electric motors are and how automation will probably transform them into glorified drones anyway. the only issue with electric is the range.
>>65121202From the thumbnail, I thought it wa a European plan to colonize the moon, or Mars.
https://www.usgs.gov/news/national-news-release/lithium-eastern-states-could-replace-imports-a-century-or-moreThe US also just found all the lithium they'd need to spam DEWs and EW assets for drone spam.
>>65121202Wasting energy on something that can't be stored and also violently explodes when you do is about as dumb as NFTs. Nuclear power plants will get their go-ahead before safe storage sites for Hydrogen are found.No, scratch that, we got the empty belts inside of Spain and France, but good luck with that, because once we've solved the transport losses, we also got the tech to build the Hyperloop.So that's a good thing, I guess?
>>65121478That's great and all, but it will be a few years before the necessary infrastructure to extract and refine it comes online. You won't be able to tell China to get fucked until then.
>>65121494hydrogen can always be used to make a fuckload of clean electricity in plants, without being hauled inside a tank. which is not what the EU wants, since apparently airbus planned for up to 50k hydrogen fueled planes to replace their civilian transports.
>>65121500This means China also only has a few years left to invade Taiwan. Tick tock changs.
>>65121535If we're seriously going Hydrogen, I want Zeppelins back.
H2 is not an energy source, it's an energy storage medium. Any hydrogen you can shove into a tank came from electrolytic processes which driven by... electricity.
Converting surplus nuclear energy at night, like in pumped-storage hydroelectric power plants, might be a good idea, but has the problem of hydrogen permeating and weakening the storage tank itself been solved?
>>65121535Hydrogen is not an energy source, it has to be produced from something, itself an energy-intensive process.It's a form of energy storage and transportation.Ah, >>65121600 was faster.>>65121494>can't be storedYou can store it in salt domes, like natgas. You might have to replace the existing pipes if they're not leakproof (they probably aren't).It's useful for industrial applications and seasonal energy storage. Trying to use it in cars has failed, but that doesn't mean there aren't other applications.>>65121202The military might use hydrogen derivatives that are easier to handle, perhaps liquid ammonia as shipfuel. Pure hydrogen isn't exactly what you'd want for rugged applications.
>>65121500Chinese food and energy reliance is a more critical issue than American REE reliance.
>>6512120210% of its own needs by 2050, that's a very lofty goal for Europe
>>65122319apparently 20 million tons domestically produced+20 million tons imported. this would work in tandem with nuclear energy, geothermal, eolic and solar.
Hydrogen makes sense if you use something like nukular or surplus solar to generate it. I don't think they have that yet, but I could be wrong.
>>65121614>hydrogen permeating and weakening the storage tank itself been solvedI think you're confusing it with Helium, which is hard as fuck to contain and leaks through solid steel because the atoms are the tiniest
>>65122363nta but you’re describing hydrogen, helium is also annoying to store (have to get it down to 4k?) but hydrogen is insanely flammable and embrittles metals
>>65122363speaking of helium, the USA have practically the monopoly on it and it's essential to keep a low temperature for superconducting magnets, which are critical for stuff like magnetic resonance in medicine and quantum physics experiments inside hadron colliders. helium doesn't remain in the atmosphere, once it's spent it happily flies out of our planet and it's lost forever. america possesses the largest underground deposits of helium worldwide, and extraction from subterranean reservoir is so far the only reliable way to get the gas.
>>65122363Imagine being this stupid.
>>65121202>use oil, coal, and gas which humanity has been extracting for over a century and can be done extremely efficientlyNah>use nuclear that is extremely safe and has been used for over 50 years to provide abundant energyNah>invest tens of billions in technology that doesnt exist yet with unclear scalability to save 0.01% in carbon emissionsFund itI will never; ever understand the Euro obsession with cutting themselves off at the knees to set an example for browns and chinks.
>>65121202What did they mean by this?
>>65122726Throwing in the towel on relevance.
>>65122711A bunch of HR Karens and their boytoys gradually wormed their way to the top of the neoliberal order and implemented a care-based morality system.
>>65122726You don't get it; some Swedish nepocunt keeps crying anytime she sees carbon or uranium fuel sources, so Germs must live at the mercy of the wind and clouds.
>Finally Europe will have a world leading energy industry Oh no no no
>>65122758Of course they'll force themselves to use solar and wind to appease the Swede.
>>65121216>as for tanks, i don't think electric would be a bad ideaRun out of power after 10km and then you need to either bring it to a fucking charging station or outright swap the batteries
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