Patriot EditionGuide: https://files.catbox.moe/9g5sv2.pdfPastebin: https://pastebin.com/gs6mLNik (embed)Target(s) of the month for July. Shoot some redcoats. If you pass the first one, try the second.https://files.catbox.moe/clnjel.pdfhttps://files.catbox.moe/kloq65.pdfseems to be no takers yet, literally just post any range report and you'll out do alot of the general Previous troon shit: >>65290942
>>65295156>1775.9>1775.10Do you have brain damage OP? Are you retarded?
>>65295164You are the one who interpreted it as a decimal instead of what it simply is, another counter to prevent thread no 1776 being early
>>65295184Jerking my chud cock to funny number celebration in my country that no longer resembles the original or even the idea of the original
>>65295184We should settle on semver
>>65295199Yes. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jul/01/protest-shooting-texas-detention-center
>mfw I have no face for United States V State of California because I thought it would never happen
>>65295215QRD if the Supcourt cockslaps California what does that exactly mean? AWBs are gone for all cuckstaters?
>>65295222nothing, reallythey'll just do some gay shit where every single gun part has to be individually FFL transferred, or make it so that you have to go to an FFL for all ammunition, with a 50rd/month cap
>>65295235>black pilling for no reason I guess some people are just born natural losers
>>65295238i mean bruen and heller have just been fucking ignored foreverwhat, we're going to get "US v. CA" which will make another test that libshit states pull another "i'm not touching you" for 10 years as the SC refuses cert?Bruen is exceptionally clear, yet it's been four years while various states have been dealing with this shit, with no recourse, because they can just pilpul this shit ad infinitum
>4th of July two days away>Cheapest 38 special and 32 ACP is still 42 cpr Sensei forgive me....I'm going to buy reman ammo and roll the dice
>>65295259Do it
>>65295238Yep nothing better to do in a chud's life
>>65295184PX4 anon never learned how trailing zeros work, top kek.
>>65295259>B*ying straight rimmed catridgesDYOR
>>65295346The good news EBTbin, if you ever have to sell your glock you can get a good price because it only has whatever the officer that traded it in fired plus your 150 rounds over the last 3 years
Wouldn't it be funny if this thread, spared of trolling, lasted longer than the 4th>>65295164>doesn't work in softwareLook at some patch notes some time and see if it stops at 9. I've seen decimal iterations go into the HUNDREDS before receiving a sub-decimal
>>65295384>Please let it be a normal threadWITH THE SNAPBIN, NO WAY
>>65295346I have a masters degree in art
>>65295384Would be nice
>he doesn’t have magazines with American flags engraved on them
>>65295438Nah mine say made by spaghetti monkeys
>>65295184>>65295384Previous>>65284982
>>65295438At first glance I didn't read that magazine title correctly, need to get off the 'hub
>>65295384Whats with the butt plug on the left
>>65295408It would be an incredible art if the calibre of that pistol was engraved with a trailing zero on the slide.
>>65295522I was actually thinking of getting it engraved PATRIOT .45 CALor ENFORCER .45 CALor EAGLE.45 CALor something equally cringe and aggressive
>>65295533Checked.
>>65295384Where's your autistic chart of thread numbers and desperate sobbing about how the janitors should ban OP for trolling? That's what you did whenever I played with it and now you're just here being all passive about it. What gives?
Bill Drill V2 is to add a target transition inbetween each 2 rounds. Trying to keep the same speed as if it was a single target, while smashing the trigger you transition to the next two targets. You start out with the targets basically touching and then space them further as you get better at this drill. 5-7 yards, this is speed drill. https://youtu.be/IEwC-NSUtXY>>65295452some retard (ebt bin) made a thread and that changes things? >>65295563the autism will come when it's time to transition to back to standard numbers oh god I accidentally formatted my post just like snapbin
I think I can say I am very satisfied with my collectionAt this point, a CZ-75 is probably the last handgun I would buy for now, just not anytime until maybe the end of the year
>>65295582where is your 1911
>>65295384>burt works in techYeah I should have known.>>65295533MINUTEMAN 1776
>>65295596Back in the 20th century
>>65295578holster flinch ngmi
>>65295633Okay Brigador scum
Check out my new pocket pistol, boys. I used to carry a 380 or 32 (ACP & H&R Mag) pocket pistol, but after having babies and therefore being responsible for their safety too I thought I may need something more serious and with the hollow points I picked I’m getting around 930 foot pounds of muzzle energy out of this 3&3/4” barrel.>inb4 not a pocket pistol It literally fits in the front pocket of my Ariat work jeans. It’s a pocket pistol.
>>65295655Are you planning on fighting off polar bears on the daily?
>>65295563Burt believes this thread is actually #1787 so he considers 1775.10 no less correct than 1775.95
>>65295658Burt is the keeper of our years
>>65295655Anything is a pocket pistol with big enough pockets
>>65295563>played with itYou were being protractedly malicious, this isn't. Further, idgaf anymore. You'll be judged by God in the end>>65295582>no .22>every single timeMy brother do you hate fun?
>>65295684.22 is annoying
>>65295596In another part of the house, thats a small sample size>>65295684I have a few .22s, they're just not in the photo
>>65295156Hello is the Ruger Vaquero blued version a stainless steel?
Unless you have a suppressor on or a particularly long slide, front serrations just don't seem like a great idea because they invite the operator to place his hand near the muzzle (see rule 02 of gun safety). When I manipulate the slide, it's usually to reset the trigger during dry fire and I prefer to use the rear sights and grip frame for leverage. For cartridge checks, I feel the extractor for protrusion if there isn't enough light to see the chamber crevice. >>65295671I'm sure.>>65295684If God exists then he may beg humanity for our forgiveness.
>>65295684>do you hate fun?22 is just not fun. It's cheap, but every time I shoot it my fingers are black and I'm clearing a malfunction every magazine. 9mm > 22 for handgun plinking and I'm tired of pretending that it's not.
>>65295759What kind of noguns esl question is this
>>65295766>I want less features standard >:(
>>65295790Why not just serrate the whole length of the slide
>>65295778An earnest one sir!
>>65295796
>>65295796Please do
>>65295759>blued version>stainless steel?>>65295801>An earnest one sir!Stainless steel cannot be blued, so the answer is no.
>>65295811Well, ackshually
>>65295766Bro has the shakes
>>65295803It’s less bad than I thought it would be. I’ll give it that much.
>>65295756Very good carry on>>65295769Skill issue. Works on my machine. ID10T error.>>>/wsg/6189243
>>65295894Loid noises and recoil get the adrenaline flowing ;(
>>65295769Your fingers were black beforehand anyway
Post you're are daily carry, RIGHT FUCKING NOW
>>65296007post you'r
>>65295184>>65295156These are extremely gay
>>65295948Yeah true, it happens to me when it's been a long day but I still want to make it to the range
>>65296044Way better than anything Trump themed
>>65296007Suck my'ne cock off icer RITE NOW
>>65295766>that battle rifle and ARMan I need to get my Cetme sent out
>>65296007sybau
>>65296007>thinking /hg/ carries when less than 25% of the posters actually shoot.NGMI
>>65295257The correct response is to invalidate the state constitution, dissolve the government, break them up into territories and make them reapply for statehood. That's part of being a state, your constitution and all laws MUST align with the US constitution due to the primacy clause. State governments that continuously and flagrantly violate that should be stripped of their statehood until they can behave.
>>65295684>You were being protractedly maliciouslmao. Burt, it's a number, it can't hurt you>i don't care but I fantasize about how you'll go to hell You should go to therapy, burkles. Nobody is going to hell for post numbers on a Silesian baking forum and you honestly look deranged reaching for religion in something like this.
>>65296007My truck gunBubbad spanish masuser chopped to 19"
>>65296044fag
>>65296234>truck gunThat's just a future stolen gun
>>65296237It goes under the bench seat, not in a rack or anythingBesides it was $80, already pre-sporterized, shot a couple deer with it before getting something i could mount a scope to. I have some attachment to it but if it gets taken by tyrone and obrezed I will only be somewhat sad
>>65296253Bubba
>>65296253The correct way to avoid the meth addict, fentanyl fiend, neighborhood nigger, and localized latinos is to drive something beat to shit, ugly as hell, with disparging bumper stickers (shit box edition, turd max, please hit me so they total this fucker, etc) and out of state expired plates. Nobody fucks with something like that. You could be rolling around with solid gold bars under the seat and nobody would give it a second look. Especially if you have some gas station food wrappers on the front floorboards, spare clothes and a blanket in the back, and a few obvious second hand books and old newspapers.
>>65296291>and out of state expired platesYeah definitely store your guns in the rolling probable cause. You can't even park that anywhere without getting towed.
>>65296253>arming TyroneNGMI
Who here /don'tcareiftheyprint/?
>>65296291>How to make yourself a cop magnet
>>65296291Fed hands typed this
>>65296308If I lived in a constitutional carry state, I wouldn'tBut sadly I do not
>>65296270it was already bubba when i bought it. chopped stock, pitted af, reblued and lacquered, sloppiest bolt ive ever seen, worse than any carcano or mosin. so i cut the barrel. accuracy actually improved because the muzzle erosion was so bad jej
>>65296314Printing isn't illegal.
My gcode phenom will be here soonish
>>65296291my vehical is already like that, cept the plates. i really do need to throw out my fast food wrappers but i may leave them as "urban camouflage" niw jej
>>65296318But in shithole states a call from a soccer mom karen will still land you in custody. Even if it's detained you risk it taking months to get your handgun back at best.
>>65296336>not having a backup carry gun
Peak driving setup. 9 rounds of .45 for the driver side, 5 .38s for the passenger side.Ya never know.
>>65296308I'm /toofattocarry/
>>65296348I own several I've carried. I still don't want one sitting in a evidence locker while I have to navigate the jewdicial system to get it back.
>>65296336>Muh paul video
>>65296350How do you wear it on the setting? I had to take mine all the way up on all straps and even then it's kinda loose5'10 180
>>65296336Thats why I only carry cheap pieces of shitSo if I lose it to police, nbd. Or if I have to dispose of it in a body of water, also nbd
>>65296395Edgy larp
>>65296402Okay the real reason is that im poor and keep buying cheap pieces of shit instead of saving for something that isn't a piece of shit
>>65296361>Muh paulShut your whore mouth!>>65296395>carry shit gunI believe you. I guess you do you.
>>65296395I carry a Glock 19. That's as cheap as I would go
>>65296406>im poorFren you are rich with the ability and freedom of self defense. You're part of the 3.5% of the planet with a right to defend yourself.Hell yeah!
>>65296366I'm 6'3" and I have a beer gut at 260lbs. My target weight is 210lbs. People ask me if I played football in school. I did not but I'm built like a linebacker.
>>65296174>25%If we could only be so lucky, we'd be the most invested general in 4chang history. Gosh can you imagine?
>>65296415I could probably get one for like $350 but whenever I go to a gun show there's usually a guy with only a few guns who doesnt do background checks, and he'll have something like a remington 7400 for 2 hundo and ill be somewhat interested and then he'll say its basically a poor man's garand and drop the price to 175 so I have to buy it. So then I just spent a third of my paycheck so I have to make sure I dont buy anything for the next week
>>65296425Ahh maybe that could be the difference, I'm thinking of getting a small belt to wrap under my clothes to attach the snap loops on the holster lower down my body. I'd tuck it under the pants I'm wearing ig, I really can't think of another way to fix the issue outside of cutting excess leather. Still love it regardless
>>65296431Burt do you like the cheese puffs from that line?
>>65296111That's like saying vomit tastes better than shit.
>>65296442>small belt to wrap under my clothes to attach the snap loops on the holster lower down my bodyCan you get it on your pants belt? I need the loops on my belt for my P220 setup. Too much mass moving from the pistol and spare mags that it would be obvious I have something under my shirt.
>>65296007
>>65296467What shirt is that?
>>65296472https://www.beretta.com/en-us/product/beretta-scout-performance-henley-TS692T2311Beretta Henley, discontinued, good because these ones tear super easily. I own like over a dozen of these when Beretta was blowing them out
>>65296475>because these ones tear super easily.NTA but glad I saw this before ordering one.
>>65296443No but that's not the fault of the puffs, they are almost (but not) identical in taste. I just can't stand getting blueballed by portion sizes with those. Puffs (not nkd) used to be my favorite when idgaf but they're like eating air, it takes SO MUCH to be satiated that they're not worth the calories anymore. I get more out of 200 calories of potato chips>>65296497Neat
>>65296497I don't approve of the microprism but I appreciate the rest. I can't remember what other rifle it reminds me of with the wood stock and plastic handguard. Some fal variant maybe?
>>65296509Understood!
Sell me on getting a .380 when I have a .22lr/wmr
>>65296530Bigger boolit more better
>>65296548Wmr is more gun but with a pistol it’s not really gonna perform betterer
>>65296551>not really gonna perform bettererGo 9x19mm then
>>65296511FAL, the light weight polymer in the front is nice. I just put on the wood handguards and I could immediately tell that the polymer was better balanced up front what's wrong with microprisms? seems pretty acceptable, otherwise I'd have to carry handle mount an aimpoint pro or something. Maybe Colt's new ACRO
>>65296530if you need more than 22 you arent doing it right
>>65296551get a 9mm
>>65296576It's not the microprism itself it's modern optics on retro builds as a whole. I can let yours slide though since it isn't a clone or anything.
>>65296603>retroNigga it’s a 2276 era issued service rifle
>>65296610ncr didn't have optics. Well not on those.
>>65296530>when I have a .22lr/wmrCenter fire cartridges will always be more reliable than rimfire, even in a revolver.
>>65296497Is this supposed to be an attempted adar clone?
>>65296454If I attach there it has slack
>>65296657>>65296610>/hg/
>>65296667Faggot.
>>65296672Yuh huh
>>65296673>>65296667Sorry
>>65296300>>65296312I've been driving around like that for two years and had 0 problem, including rolling through highway patrol checkpoints and parking right in front of local PD, sheriffs, and troopers. I don't know what you're doing wrong.
>>65296667Based>>65296672Double nigger
>>65296308>>Who here /don'tcareiftheyprint/?/wavesI absolutely do print, and I do not give a flying FUCK. Nobody even looks.
I took the 2" King Cobra to the range for the first time today and it went really well. I absolutely need to work on my revolver shooting, but I improved throughout the day and I definitely got some ideas for dry practice. I shot a variety of ammo from 130 grain .38 Special FMJ to classic 158 grain .357 Magnum JSP. All of which performed well (on paper), but I think I actually enjoyed the 158 grain. 357 the most. I thought I was about to drop the damn gun on the first cylinder, but I was one handing it by the end of the day. I suddenly understand the appeal of overpowered hand guns.I probably won't carry it much, but if I do it will be with Hornady Critical Defense 110 grain .38 Special because I don't think the 135 Grain .357 version is really worth the recoil for practical use.Thanks for reading my blog. Any thoughts or advice on revolver shooting or ammo selection ect would be appreciated since this is my first revolver. >>65296530On a related note, something that I think a lot of people overlook in the caliber debate is recoil impulse. I really like the way a small .380 pistol feels when shooting. Same with an .30 caliber AK or a .357 Magnum snubby, apparently. .22lr is nice too, but it can be quite fun to have something a little more substantial in your hand.Also, if you are talking about a defensive handgun, center fire ammunition is generally accepted to have more reliable primer ignition.
>>65296433>>175>>third of my paycheckGrim. You should stop spending money on shit guns if your income is this minimal.
>>65296308i dont care if theres a lump, i DO care if theres a very distinct outline of a handle and an RMR tho
>>65296661>slackHmm...Do you have a short torso and long legs?
>>65296442>>65296442Attach a belt through both of the snaps so that the holster encloses you like wearing a vest.
>>65296681It's just luck of the draw. Some cops care some don't. I had this faggot trying to tow my car because I didn't get my emissions done for a couple months. You're not doing anything special you just haven't gotten caught yet and feel like you're invincible.
Honestly if someone ever calls you out for printing you could just say you have an ostomy bag and they'll probably shut the fuck up and not look at it anymore
>buy America's pistol in the Lord's caliber for America's birthdayI like itnever shot a .45 before, the recoil isn't bad at all
>>65296732Nice. Please keep us updated, the Kimber Next Gen is optioned very well. It truly is the lord’s caliber. I love the muzzle flash.
>>65296732I hope that's not a recent production kimber
>>65296737It is. From Kimber’s new factory, Troy AL which also makes their 2011 (Kimber Warrior DS and 2K11). Do you have any information on any issues with new post-cohen Kimber’s?
>>65295156Im reposting this as a question about good .22 platforms to purchase to train on. the walther .22 is on sale at turners right now but the idea of reloading 10 round 22 mags sounds like bullshit.Im getting a .22 handgun and maybe another rifle in LR since my marlin 60 isnt exactly the best to train onand I doubt Im gonna get good at fundamentals learning with a ruger wrangler in SAany .22 for training suggestions?
>>65296747TX22S&W MP22X or whatever Ruger You honestly don’t need a 22 to learn fundamentals, it’ll get you a lot of live fire in, but you can learn a lot of fundamentals just dry firing a normal gun
>>65296747>Im reposting this as a question about good .22 platforms to purchase to train onTraining for what? Check out the Lucky Gunner series of videos on .22s. He just released one on 'trainer' type pistols.
>>65296746No I'm just talking shit for no reason. Looks nice, hope you have a good 4th
>>65295803That's actually kind of nice.
>>65296747>>65296794This. They won't prepare you for recoil control but you can really get great trigger control practice above and beyond just having loadsa funYou say Turners, you're in Caliphoney? If so why is 10 rounds a Walther-specific problemAnywho I don't recommend the 22X, it has a weird grip and a weird trigger, most of the mags on mine stick on release and it won't work with hardly anything but CCI Minimag which sucks because I bought it to silence. Also the P22 is quite small to be a trainer
>>65296712Yeah pretty much>>65296716That's kinda what I had in mind somewhat
>>65296350>>65296454>Rock Me Amadeus
Alright boys, I've got whats pictured here and a Beretta 92fs and a suppressor for the USP45T. My question is, what next? I'm considering a G17, one of those goofy beretta lunar blue M9A4s, or perhaps a nicer 1911 build.
I'm not seeing a .22...
>>65296845>g17Get a vp9a1L
I'm not seeing a red dot in there.
>>65296845Steyr M9A2 or Steyr GB
>>65296078>practicing at limits of strengthGood idea.>>65296115No doubt.
>>65296845My next is a Beretta 92 and after that a 1911. I think after that I’m going to get a 17 and then just buy random old pistols.
>>65296857The pic was supposed to add context that we have similar taste.
>>65296845>>65296860>we have similar taste.Both of the pics indicate a taste for bone stock bog standard gunkopops.
>>65296869Don't be mean let them flirt
>>65296869Post yours
>>65296869Genuinely curious what bone stock means to you.
>>65296869What can I say, I like the classics.
>>65296880Needs a red dot
>>65296871>Don't be meanI wasn't really trying to be. >>65296880>What can I say, I like the classics.Nuttin' wrong with that.
>>65296845Glad to see you got a 92fs!
>>65296902Thanks! Picked it up Tuesday. I had an M9 in the army and an italian made one back in the early 2010s, sold it like a retard, had to correct that mistake.
>local auction at the end of the month has two 92s>one is an Italian made Brigadier from 93>the other is a 92F made in Italy in 89Fuck man, I want both. I'm leaning towards the 92F because it has no lawyer-writing
I'm getting my first firearm next monday!What am I in for?
>>65296747
>>65296945Recoil
>>65296945Lead poisoning
>>65296945Free money and people will just give you their car.
>>65296945Shooting like shit for a while before things start to click
>>65296921Why sell?
>>65296215Also Bonta, Becerra, and Newsom should be publicly executed, and any progeny they have sterilized as a warning to others.
>>65297041I was thinking my collection because I was going back to college and I am a retard. I have sonce bought all my old shit back, and then some.
some guns' decockers unnerve melike when you can see a rotating block for the firing pin that gives me confidencebut i shot a p30 for the first time and that just ugh
>>65297068P30 decocker sketches you out?
>>65297095yeah. i cant see what actually stops the hammer. i'm sure its fine thoguh
>>65296852I wish I got a C9 or L9 when they were cheap.
>>65297097there's a big half-cock tab on the hammer and additionally the FP plunger isn't pressed so even if it slammed full force into the firing pin, it wouldn't fire
>>65295257States can dance around scotus for another 50 years. The Trunp DOJ suing states directly is what will make actual change but the problem is that a democratic admin will cut off the suit as soon as they get inaugurated.
>>65296945it's okay, but I think the port isn't as effective as everyone would want you to think
>>65297144>States can dance around scotus for another 50 yearsBlackpilled take.
>>65296945>>65297152>but I think the port isn't as effective as everyone would want you to thinkProbably reduces muzzle rise by about 25%.
>>65297169>Probably reduces muzzle rise by about 25%.>25%lmfao, probably fucking NOT, guy.
>>65297187Agreed its closer to 50%
>>65297187>lmfao, probably fucking NOT, guy.What makes you say that?
>>65297164>Blackpilled take.this all should have ended with Bruen, but here we are
>>65297169>Probably reduces muzzle rise by about 25%.>>65297187>lmfao, probably fucking NOT, guy.I hereby revise my 25% down to about 10%. I had misremembered which type of comp does what.
>>65297187>>65297191nta but porting is not really effective, especially for 9mmyou're just venting gases, there's not a meaningful amount of mass being expelled and not a large area being acted onPorting probably reduces muzzle flip by like 5-10% depending on the design of the ports9mm is also just not a very energetic round. 147 +P would probably give you better results, but it's not going to perform the same as something like a ported 10mmcompensators are a different story because a well-designed compensator both adds weight and allows more shaping and leverage to the escaping gases
>>65297246>nta but porting is not really effective, especially for 9mmUhhh, yes, and no. Depends on the style and location of ports. The V style ports along the barrel work better than the chamber at the end of the barrel.
I want a USP 45 and an SP-01 tac
debating between Ruger LCP Max or Shield Plus for daily carry. I don't want to spend too much and be able to teach my wife how to shoot, so leaning towards Ruger LCP Max. is a .380 even a viable caliber for self defense??
>>65297510>Is .380 even viableNogunz
>dry firing>5 perfect presentations in a row, dot literally materializes in the dead center of the target right when I want it to>on the 6th one, the dot is on the far right edge of the fucking window>never get a perfect presentation the rest of the session because I'm now in my head and over-analyzing my gripGenuinely thinking about going back to irons I was so much faster when I could see my front sight coming up in my lower peripheral vision.
>>65297510>is a .380 even a viable caliber for self defense??Yes, absolutely. I really like Horneday Critical Defense for carry ammo in most calibers and especially. 380 acp. The only real downside is that it .380 is a little more expensive than 9mm for range ammo, but it is about the same for defensive ammo.The best gun in .380 right now is almost undisputedly the S&W Bodyguard 2.0. It is right between the LCP and Shield size wise and about the same price as the Shield. The upside to the Shield is that 9mm is the cheapest centerfire practice ammo because it's the most popular.You should probably go try some guns out at a rental range if you can, but you should at least pick up a few in the gun store.You can also use Handgun Hero to bench race pistols, but it isn't nearly as good as holding the damn things. https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/ruger-lcp-vs-smith-wesson-bodyguard-2-0>>65297913>Don't let new people into our hobby. >It's more fun than having a friend. You are very cool, anon.
>>65298012>Genuinely thinking about going back to ironsWhy not work on both? Even if you only have one gun, just turn to dot off.
>>65298012The dot exposes what was happening with the irons, the irons don't present the minute details as blatantly as the dot will. You are looking for a mental safety blanket, be better, train better
>>65298016>Wahhh don't answer a question through memes you must be genuine as if we are children
I was gonna go to the range today but it's gonna be in the 90s with 60% humidity and my car doesn't have ac and I don't feel like getting heat stroke
>>65298045Boomers are going to be in the ER tomorrow on their annual range trip
>>65298045>was gonna go to the range>my car doesn't have acpoor people have such fucked up priorities lmao
>>65298032This. Literal skill issue.
>>65298045Are you me yesterday? Seriously, take a bunch of ice water. I had a headache until I woke up this morning. Also, take a hat and sunblock.
>I'm a massive faggot with nothing better to do than shit up the thread on my day off.I'd probably just save myself the embarrassment and an hero.
>>6529805830 seconds of rational thought would have prevented his shitpost about>Me need muh ironsBut boom booms gonna boom
>>65298079desu I don't even look at my dot at 15 yards or less at this point. I practice just landing all my shots as quickly as possible within the A zone. Some may even call this "Combat Accuracy."
>>65298087>>65298079It's all just gungames, so whatevers cleaver.
>>65297510If price is a concern of yours, consider that the difference between the upfront cost of the firearms doesn't matter quite as much as the average long-term cost of the ammo if you actually shoot a reasonable amount. Right now, 380 is ~10 cents more expensive per round than 9mm for standard range ammo, and hollow points can be around 2x as expensive. Also consider that my girlfriend dislikes shooting my kahr cw380, but she hates shooting my fn reflex. But women always seem super finicky about finding a gun that they like to shoot. They always seem to have trouble understanding that just because a gun feels comfortable in their hand, that doesn't necessarily mean that it will feel good to shoot. Your wife may be different, idk. The best thing for you to do would be to take her to a range and rent a few guns for her to try before you go spending money on something, hoping she will like it. I found that the best way to do things was to have my own concealed carry handgun that is tailored specifically to me, and to also have a bedside handgun that works for her and me equally. That being said, 380 is absolutely a viable self defense cartridge. Plenty of people throughout history have been killed by 32 and 25. You just need to understand that it has shortcomings compared to modern 9mm loadings. 380 out of a short barrel often struggles to achieve adequate penetration and expansion simultaneously. Some people forgo pursuing expansion entirely, in favor of proper penetration by just carrying fmj. Some people accept that they're paying extra for hollow points that may end up not expanding at all, but believe that a chance of expansion is better than a 0% chance. So you're giving up potential ballistic performance for lower recoil when choosing 380 over 9mm. There is no correct choice. You just have to research, experiment, and find what works best for you.
>>65298012Keep training. All the work you do with the dot applies to your skill with irons, you will become a better shooter having learned how to use a dot. Honestly it teaches you in ways irons cannot.
>>65298153a dot reveals user error (or operator error if you're an HK enjoyer) better than irons.
>>65298045I went to the range today, saw it totally packed with a tard wrangler who told me it was gonna be 50 minutes, saw the people there and did a 360 out of there.
I always skip the range near the 4th, too many shoot once a year retards everything is hot and crowded.
>>65295456Nice. I knew that didn't sound right.
>>65298216I aim for the morning of the 5th when everyone is either still asleep or hungover.
>>65298189My glock never called me an operator :/
>>65296860nice brah
I want a handgun, straight blowback, for suppressing, but centerfire. can I do better than a 380 Beretta?
>>65297510Everything this anon said is accurate >>65298104But I will add that pretty much anyone who isn't a combat professional or totally drugged the fuck out is going to stop doing whatever they are doing if you shoot them with basically any caliber. Most ammunition testing is done to law enforcement standards, which well exceeds99.9% of civilian use cases. The key difference is that the piggywinks need to apprehend someone after they shoot them and you just need to run away.>>65298302I'm totally an operator. I operate a fork lift from time to time.
>>65298342Why the fuck do you want straight blowback
>>65298342>straight blowbackWhy? I get there aren't many options for threaded .380s but that's an odd desire.Anywho probably not just because there are so few threaded .380s that large. I think you'd be better served by a 9mm using 147gr with a bit more recoil but far cheaper ammo. But if a P365-380 or such is too small, yeah the BOX is probably the choice. There is an XL version of the P365-380 tho, not sure about threaded barrel availability
>>65298342There's nothing wrong with straight blowback, per se, but it isn't ideal for suppressing. Essentially, the breach can open and release propellant gas early and can minimize the sound suppression. At least in theory. I haven't seen any empirical testing but that's what the Fudd lore is anyway. It's basically the same line of thought that says suppressing an AK is useless.
>>65298377I fork lift every day for dinner
>>65298407380 is smaller than 9mm so it is cheaper
>>65298254>tfw there's a 2gun match by me the morning of the 5th but I will be asleep or hungover
I have a S&W 66 with a 6" barrel (screw in not pinned). If I have the opportunity to buy a 4 inch barrel for like 50 bucks- is that just a bad idea or something? Idk how this works, and I don't know if this is something I could swap out on my own or if it's a gunsmith's job.
>>65298527>380 is smaller than 9mm so it is cheaper*incredibly loud incorrect buzzer sound*
>>65298393There's a thread full of guys that shoot da/sa
>>65298559Gunsmith
>>65298559I would only do this if I had a gunsmith capable of this job lined up, one does not simply install a new barrel on a revolver.
>>65298527>>65298589>*incredibly loud incorrect buzzer sound*I'm sorry, the correct answer is>9mm is more popular than .380 because it's cheaper. Better luck next time.
>>65298640.380 is less capable
>>65298713And it’s more expensive than 9mm.
Is this shit aim? I barely go to the range and have a 17rd baretta apx which I forget how heavy it is when loaded. I went boomer mode and used plates for targets. I find that my left targets are easier to hit than ones on the right. I'm a lefty and was shooting at 5 and 7 yards. Put about 200rds down today
>>65298788And because I'm a lefty my phone ducks me with images
>>65298788
>>65298788You should dryfire some more.
>>65298788It’s not great, it’s hard to tell if you are making defined grouping. I prescribe that you should dry fire, where the gun is unloaded, and you just practice pulling the trigger without disturbing the sights. The gun should not move when you pull the trigger. Do this and ideally every round goes into the same hole in live fire, it’s hard to do with iron sights since they aren’t very precise but it’s possible. This is one of the oldest targets on my phone.
>>65298797Without it loaded? I feel like this big ass handgun being heavy fully loaded is my issue. Like I need to do more barbell arm raises in the gym
>>65298788>>65298796Terrible aim considering it seems you are aiming 2 inches from the table
>>65298796The one on the left is pretty good for a beginner
>>65298804>>65298802Damm...I was hoping you guys would tell me I'm being too hard on myself. At least I get 17 chances if it's really life or death...Anyway for me, the best part of shooting is going home and cleaning because I'm autistic
>>65298803Yes, not loaded. I really doubt that is from not being able to hold the gun up.
>>65298803No you dry fire with a loaded gun with one in the chamber of course
>>65298803Get some weighted snapcaps, the weight of a mag does make a difference, though probably less than you think.
>>65298834Kek
>>65298813Everyone here is either Jerry Miculek or pretends they are. That left target on your second pic is better than 90% of gun owners, but you should at least practice until every target looks like that or better.
>>65298788terrible on you flexing on SNAPbin with your targets
>>65298803you can get weighted snap caps to do this, DO NOT do it with live ammunition.>>65298813it's a good start. but mechanically your gun is capable of putting every round into the same hole at that distance, you aren't doing your job if it isn't. DRY FIRE. It's free and the most effective way to get better.
why is only Grand Power the only brand with complete ambi controls
>>65298802nice elite
>>65298890it's not and ambi controls is a meme
>>65298891that the one you snagged off gunbroker after I posted about it? With the BarSto barrel and C&S hammer? (I have an autistic memory when it comes to handguns)
>>65298895impressive! it was a steal.
>>65298855He's shooting at 5 yards. If you want a hugbox where people tell trash shooters that they are actually good then go to reddit.
>>65298914Post your groups
>>65298914I intentionally give shit advice on Reddit. They always accept it because I sprinkle it with gay ass compliments and fake positivity that those faggots always love being showered with.
>>65298921No you don't
>>65298926Yes, I do. I’m sorry that scares you. Maybe you should stay off Reddit and grow up already.
>>65298914I'm the poster of this grouping originally, how often, realistically, will I need to dispense 17rds if hollow point at over 5 yards? Honestly I don't really care about jacking off to groupings, I just want to be able to keep my home safe from 2 legged snakes. Gun gutstare incredibly gay and this is the gayest board on the site (yes more than mlp and lgbt) and I avoid it often, but I simply wanted feedback.
>>65298955Case in point >>65298954>>65298921I wish the 2a was banned just to avoid these kinds of fags
>>65298955>but I simply wanted feedback.Okay and you got it. You suck at shooting. Everyone does in the beginning but if you want to be a little faggot and cry instead of improving then by all means go bury your head in the sand.
>>65298963No lawmaker respects the 2A anyways, retard. If they did, there would be no full auto ban or bans on suppressors. It might as well not exist.
>>65298955Here’s some honest feedback: Your shooting is just fine. Just store your gun somewhere safe and get back to living life normally instead of looking for advice from online strangers.
>>65298954>Lying on the internet and for what
>>65298969>>65298963>Ban the 2aYou lost tranny
>>65299013I'm in VA and the 17rd apx I shot today is illegal to buy now. Suck my balls faggot you people do literally nothing all day long but jack each other off>inb4 not muh state not my problemsYou people are spineless
>>65299020You have a winning attitude I can tell you're going to go far.
If you had to carry a gun in .25 ACP, which would you pick and why
>>65298955If this is your accuracy in a controlled environment with an unlimited time limit, it will be much much worse in a stressful dynamic situation. The fact you cannot even group tightly at 5-7 yards, basic fundamentals, is not something to make excuses for: “Do I even need [this skill]?” Is a common cope for not being proficient, remember all those people coping about math classes? You came here because you knew it wasn’t good, why are you pushing back on people being honest?
>>65299047That Beretta that James Bond carried. I can’t find the model that IMFDB says is correct though.
>>65299052>You came here because you knew it wasn’t goodI think he expected praise.
>>65299052Stop trying to help him. That troon fucked off already so don’t waste your time.
I potentially bought a DIY build SVI Infinity (they sold bare frames for a short while) thinking it was a genuine high end build. Still pretty cool though. The slide to frame fit is not what I expected from an INFINITY but with a new grip, refinish, this thing will be sick. Don’t know what I’m going to do for the optic cut though. >>65299063I’m into shooting as much as I am into guns so I get offended by people coming up with reasons they don’t need to actually improve
>>65299068
Is using plates for targets better or worse than Pastebin's "combat accuracy" targets?
>>65299091>Is using plates for targets better or worse than Pastebin's "combat accuracy" targets?No, a plate is roughly like a B8 but a little bigger it does do high vis from black sights to white target, black sights on black target is kind of aids IMO
>>65299020Spend less time being a miserable chud and man up
>>65299068You shouldn’t get offended. I tell people who are fishing for compliments what they want to hear so I can save my advice for people who aren’t.
>>65299117master chief
>>65298919>never posts groups
>>65299199post yours
>>65299167lel, I used to live in apartment #117, and the street address was number 343
>>65299213what made you move?
>>65298087
>>65298713And 9mm is less capable than .40 S&W.
>>65299258>$6.99Shitbin can't afford that.
>>65299258Saved. Do you remember dmt?
>>65298713>>65299273
>>65299258There's nothing wrong with hand drawn targets.
>>65295582>no modded beretta 92>no full size revolver>no 1911>no super tiny semi auto pocket pistol>no red dotscould be better desu
>>65299258kek
>>65299311>t. noguns tourist
>>65299258How am I ever going to recover from all of the sick burns you just inflicted?>>65299305Nice shooting, anon.
>>65298527I truly wish that were the case fren I love .380>>65298788Its hard to judge without knowing how many shots each group was intended to contain, since the ones off the plate are lost in the backer. But from those groups, even if you were shooting twice as far, you'd be hitting torso which is far more accurate than any opp's likely to beHonestly better than most handgun owners in the US but of course there's plenty of room for improvement. What's stoppin ya from getting in more range time? It's not just round count but through frequency that you will earn improvement. Go regularly and try to work on something each time you go. You will be astonished at how fast you can potentially improve>>65298890Cause you don't need em. Where applicable, a manual safety is the ONLY control a lefty absolutely must have bespoke for your mutation*, everything else you can do effortlessly with your index finger or slingshotting*not counting idiosyncrasies like Sig P22X's frame decocker or P99's left-top mounted decocker>>65298919They never do.>>65299047Walther TP because I am gay for Walther and it's actually pretty slick and very accurate
>>65298330Hey you too. How do you like the sp01?
What targets should I get for general range use
>>65299476Make your own with a sharpie and label them 001 002 etc, then never shoot
>>65299476It doesn't really matter. What do you like? I primarily use these two. I like the Champion grids for zeroing, they're cheap as heck at 30 cents and each one gives you 5 discrete zones plus you can aim at the intersections and terminations of the red bars for even more groups before having to change targets. B8s are classic, a lil more expensive, but ubiquitous for comparison with others. Or just use Dollar General picnic plates with cheap circular sticker labels in the middle, works greathttps://www.officedepot.com/a/products/837594/Office-Depot-Brand-Removable-Round-Color/
>>65299258Now thats some high quality shit talkingHopefully some other folks braved the heat and got out there to train this week. Remember to drink lots of water over the weekend anons. You wouldn't believe the ammount of folks that end up in the ER for heat stroke because theyre out all day in the 100 degree heat.
>>65299476I like baker targets if you're buying in bulk. They got great prices and the high vis paint ones really do well around dusk for the folks who shoot outdoors after work, adds like 15-20 minutes to the range trip in the fall which matters if you get off at 4 or 5pm. I order like 200 once every couple years.
>>65299476I just use the ones that come with the rifle targets I get.
>>65298788>I find that my left targets are easier to hit than ones on the right.Weird question but have you confirmed that you are using your dominant eye? I had the same issue back in middle school with church league archery before I figured out I was right handed but left eye dominant. To test it just hold out your pointer finger and cover something like a light switch across the room. Close one eye, then the other and see which eye open matches what it looks like when you have both eyes open. That's your dominant eye. That may help, but honestly just dry fire will improve your groups immensely and doesn't cost a dime or force you to leave your house.
>>65299519>Chinesium optic>VFG abomination>Lax Machine Tolerances>piss mag>no pressure switch
>>65299020>his APX is now illegal just before July 4thNot gonna lie man I feel very bad for you.>>65299047Did you get more crates Jetfire Jim?
>>65299519How do you like the aws sling? Don't see their stuff around too much.
>>65299476if you have a printer just look up printable targets and print them out with the cheapest paper possible
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>>65299052I shot in a adrenaline dump once and it sucked. My hands were shaking and there was nothing I could do about it so I just had to try my best. My groups opened up by like five inches in every direction.
>>65299560I like the PA micro prisms and don't see anyone else doing it well, happy to be reccomended something better though. I like having a vfg for hog hunting, I found with my AKs it makes it easier to maintain a ready position and still be relatively relaxed on multi hour treks and figured I should get one for my ar too. Not all of us just shoot paper.Good LMT burn ngl, but I like mine and have no problems. It's definitely heavier than other builds but I'm used to AKs so it's light in comparison.I dont see the need to break out my surefeeds for a short range trip, but next time I'll break out the good stuff just for you buddy.Pressure switches are genuinely retarded. Nobody has ever said "ah man I wish I could activate my light faster, that would make a big difference!" But my buddies with tape switches ND their lights like all the time. Just added weight with only cost and no real benefit.Anyways post your AR set up and sidearm>>65299572I like it! Haven't got a chance to really put a ton of miles on it yet unfortunately but it has padding where it matters and does what I want it to do. As with everything I'll need to use it for a couple years before I could give a real educated response but for the short time I've used it I dig it. For sure beats some of the slings I've used over the years.
>>65299476shoot n ct. Birchwood Casey’s biggest fan
>>65299587>hog hunting>no thermalsInteresting decision.>post your AR set up and sidearmYou've already seen it but whatever.
He’s probably underwater on his credova loan for his ACOG
>>65299578Explain the target
>>65299638Not him but you understand that the LMT stuff that isn't fucked up is really nice right? Yes they have lemons but the good ones are still nice. Also plenty of people hunt hogs without thermals albeit fewer now since it's just stupid not to with how cheap they are.
>>65299587>Post your ar>/hg/
New thread
>>65299587I have some of their other stuff and it's pretty tanky so I wouldn't worry about it lasting, I'm a big fan of aws.
>>65299674Does anyone have any 1776 handgun things lined up
>>65299587I've got one of PA's GLx 1x prisms on an FAL. Solid optic.
>>65299685
>>65298788Get some snap caps and look of some videos on dry fire. I absolutely promise you that 6 to 8 hour of solid investment will get you at least combat effective.>I went boomer mode and used plates for targeNothing wrong with that. Maybe use a file dot or shoot-n-see in the middle as a reference point. You can probably hang 4 or even 6 targets in that area. Load 5 rounds, shoot them all at one target, observe, reflect and do ot again on another target. This os an extremely simple skill to learn. I believe in you anon!I mean, even women can do it.
>>65299668It's a Stoeger-Park-McNabb "bucket" target, an IPSC silhouette narrowed to where your sights would track. It was my first ever attempt at a faux Bill drill (drawing from the holster isn't allowed at that range), shooting faster than one round per second.>>65299669>sour grapesAnon, there's no hog to cull where I live.>>65299670I didn't know it was his hog gun at the time, you see.
>>65299671>and sidearmSee I tried to keep it on topic.>>65299638>thermalsOklahoma had weird laws. Would work when I was on my buddies land but not at the Lexington WMA I usually hunted at so I didn't see the advantage compared to just getting set up just before dawn and then if I didn't get anything treking around the WMA. Anyways, curious about any micro prism options you know of outside of PA.Pro tip for yall, pineapple salsa really helps make hog meat more tender since it can get a bit tough. Makes some great tacos.
>>65299685I say this>>65299712Or a line up of every US Armed Forces handguns over a US flag
>>65299818The farmer and the cowman should be friends.
>>65299685I mean it should be a 1911 right?
>>65299818>any micro prism options>outside of PA.Far as cope COG's go, PA is good as it gets. Micro prisms are pretty niche so I don't imagine there'll be competition for PA any time soon.
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>>65298890Hell yeah Grand Power. I've come to love using my support hand to when the magazine on the right side of the gun.
>>65299047The intratec protec. Only because it's easier to get them the vz36.
>>65299593The dirty bird targets that splatter and come with repair stickers are my favorite.
>>65298640It's cheaper because it's popular. My .25 ACP is way smaller than 9mm but it costs twice as much. It's only a little bigger than .22 and is insane in comparison. That's how economics works, dude.>>65297510Every caliber is "viable" for self defense, depending on how you use it and the situation. Unless they're high on meth or something, people are going to react to A. being shot at and B. being hit by a bullet of any size. They might not react too much if it's a smaller round, but they will feel it. Since you're going to be carrying, you want to go for stuff like JHP (or the other stuff people have been suggesting) along with some heavier grain FMJ. Just remember to practice with it. And, yeah, .380 is going to be a little more expensive than 9mm, and maybe harder to find depending on your area, but it's not insanely expensive.>>65299047I already have one. A Raven Arms MP-25.
