AK General /akg/Forest Fire Prevention Edition>Thread #2099Old thread here >>65305606
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>>65358157Is this gun using blanks... to pump water?
>>65358201Iirc, it's a fire suppression foam system.But yes I do believe it uses blanks.
>>65358216This is pretty hilarious and very Soviet. What's it called?
>>65358235>What's it called?I don't know it's designation, but here's an article about it.https://kalashnikov.club/a/pozharnyy-ak-kak-poyavilas-neobychnaya-razrabotka >With a clearer picture than I used in the OP.Looking at it in lower res, I first thought he had a Plum waffle, but in this it's clearly a ribbed 103.
>>65358307Thanks, it's apparently called the "ИП-1", but the project was stillborn, probably due to some Russian firearms regulations. Would've probably gone further if they had based it on a pump shotgun.
brap
>>65358157All clothes should fit like thar
>>65358601Thats how zoomer chicks dress
>Excuse me while I whip this out
if you guys remember this, I asked you how much I should sell this repro dong for. I sold it for $250
>>65360643Nice. So what'd you replace it with, or are you just rocking the no HG Somali pirate look?
>>65360643aren't those 3d prined?
>>65360643Holy fuck someone paid $250 for that?
>>65360841replaced it with an old worn out Romanian (I think?) palmswell hardwood handguard that I accidentally cracked and chipped putting it on because I'm a gigantic impatient retard and I don't really care about it. It's a WASR and that wood is worn as fuck, I just like how smooth it feels>>65362683I actually can't tell, the dong lower handguard feels much heavier than something 3D printed, unless the maker filled it with something. The bottom screw hole looks like wood but the inside kinda looks 3D printed so idk>>65362967yes and I had multiple buyers interested
>>65360643How do you know it was a repro again?Because that sure isn't wood, it looks like dried out bakelite to me.>mfw someone else got a nice deal on a bakelite dong and it wasn't me.
what is /akg/s opinion on the iglim ak-103 parts kit? azerbaijani made and built to the same specifications as they were in russia?
>>65365415>built to the same specifications as they were in russiaEvery single person I've seen actually have the parts in-hand has said they're grossly out of spec with real RU parts, and that there's a clear step down in QA and manufacturing tolerance.
Gents, I bought a WASR10/63 when I was 18 (15 years ago) and it's been chillin in my safe periodically slathered in oil basically the whole time since. I've been way more into shooting/buying/carrying pistols and the AK is my only rifle. I feel like I want to shoot it more now, but I literally don't know where to start. >The 30 round mags I bought with it are "legal to own" in my state since I bought them pre-ban but I can't take them to the rangeThe mag buyers guide wasn't super clear, are the Magpul 10 rounders the best small cap mags for the price?>It only has iron sightsHow do I tell if my front sight is canted? It "looks" good to me. Should I just put an LPVO or small red dot on it anyway?>I don't want to drop $130+ on a legit side rail mount. Any good optic mount options for cheap? >retard question incoming Is the 15 year old 500rd tub of steal case wolf 7.62 good to shoot?Thanks!
Can those niggers at RS finally get off their asses and drop the Gen 2 Galil handguards? I want a new 5.45 rifle but I'm not getting it until there's at least one decent aftermarket handguard out there
>>65368950>I feel like I want to shoot it more now, but I literally don't know where to startTake it out and shoot it. That's the start.>are the Magpul 10 rounders the best small cap mags for the price?Probably, but I don't really fuck with commercial mags.>How do I tell if my front sight is canted?Invert the rifle and place the sights on a flat surface. If the sights are straight, the ears on the front will both sit flat as will the rear sight.Pic related>Should I just put an LPVO or small red dot on it anyway?Sure, why not.>I don't want to drop $130+ on a legit side rail mount.Then don't. >Any good optic mount options for cheap?Not really. Airshit replica tier mounts will shift or just flat out break, so you're better off just buying once, crying once imo.>Is the 15 year old 500rd tub of steal case wolf 7.62 good to shoot?Lel, yes. I'm currently shooting M67 from the 1980s, I think your basically new Wolf will be fine.Also, post it nigger. :)Too few AKs in /akg/ these days.
>>65368977They're definitely not gonna make it until the ACE is gone from the market.>or if you do buy one, never make it. lelThat's how shit works.>You can never have two things that go together on the market at the same time.
>>65369020The most infuriating thing is that they've already been produced. They've been sending them out to guntuber faggots on Reddit for months but still haven't put them up for sale yet because of "issues with their anodizer".
>>65369051Then get the gun and wait for them to "work out the problems with their annodizer"? I'm not seeing the problem.Unless it's your need for instant gratification that's the problem.>Hurry up and wait or become a goytuber and get sent shit early
Meridian dropped ak102’sFor $2k
>>65369051On noes, a company won't sell a substandard product, how awful of them!
Suppressed an AKTorrent of gas in the faceBeg for assistance
>>65369001Thanks pal! The front sight seems like it's good enough. It's usually flat depending on the range I set the rear to. I'll send it with irons and see how it looks on paper at 100 yards.
>>65370457are you jewish? AK's can pick up on it well.
>>65370457>leather gasket between dust cover and recoil guide>electrical tape over the gap between dust cover and receiver>reddit piston>low-backpressure silencer>Ops-Core SOTRThose are your options. I actually highly recommend the SOTR. It’s one of the few products shilled by Garand Fag that turned out to be worth it.
Can anyone recommend a barrel for a Bulgy 74 5.56 conversion? Was thinking about the AK builder barrel made for that, but want hear about other options.
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Russian Type-2 AK non-matching kit build for sale on Moka's Raifus for only 8500 bucks lol
>>65373884Holy shit. Giving KikeVar a run for their money. The sad part is, it'll sell.
>>65373884Reweld or tortort
I know its not an ak, but why the fuck won't zastava import more of theseI want controlled round feed for $500 or however much these sold for a few years back
>>65373884I saw a matching NICE t2 kit sell for 6500 on gb a few months back8500 for this mixmatched garbage is ridiculous
>>65364185Nta, it was wood iirc. Painted or something maybe
>>65374221just don't look at the Russian SVD they have a page for that was 20,000 dollars. Someone bought it.
>>65374216I think because of sanctions or whatever they have to get approval from Serbian government for every export shipment of firearms, so they're probably only focusing on what sells the most like M70 and M92. They haven't imported the M77 in a while either.
>>65374235Well bona fide military SVDs are a lot rarer than a TIGR or something I see they had a Hungarian one too, whatever happened with those? I thought they ended up being vaporware
>>65374240God thats such bullshit>everything_i_want_is_banned_from_import.png
>>65374235>Russian SVD >20,000 dollars>Someone bought itWHY.jpgYou could get a PSG1 with original accessories and documents for that kind of money, and unlike the SVD, that's actually a good and accurate rifle.
>>65358157 kind of off-topic but what were the firefighters using AKs for
>>65374492it's for fighting fires
>>65374504oh okay
>>65374492It shoots out foamy jizz canisters like a can cannon to extingish the fires
>>65374538Not quite, but close enough lel.
>>65374234That's why I'm asking him specificly. Looks like bakelite to me, and I've never seen a repro with what would have to be hand carved checkering on it. Nor the ribs at the top.This is a wood repro, and it's $400>doesn't really matter now, as he already sold it
>>65374630If wood repros are worth that much maybe I should try my hand at making a few lol
>>65374723You should give it a shot.
Local shops are filled with Riley Defense and Century Arms bullshit, a WASR is $1k and Zastava AKs are $1k+.I really fucked myself by waiting this long to get an AK, huh
>>65375015Yes. They also won't get any cheaper the long you wait. Just pay the 1k for a wasr
>>65375076I guess my method of crossing my fingers and hoping The War™ would end quick to open imports back up backfired on me.
>>65375015If you wait any more it'll on get worse!:')
>>65375294I know theyre pieces of shit but I want one
>>65364185>>65374234Sorry I'm just now answering this, I worked over the weekend into tuesday. Check out these next two pictures, looking inside the handguard and the bottom it really looks like wood/3D printed. It felt like painted wood. I have a lot of bakelite stuff and it was heavier than bakelite. I still don't know for sure maybe I sold a legit one for way too cheap. What do you think? It certainly looks better than that shitty wood piece of shit repro on gunbroker
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>>65375452>>65375454>I have a lot of bakelite stuff and it was heavier than bakeliteBakelite handguards are a lot more bulk than just a grip or a mag.That sure looks like bakelite to me, but without having it in hand I couldn't be 100 percent sure.Extremely dried out though.>Like this one is starting to around the table that slots into the receiver and the cleaning rod hole, but yours is way worse offLittle love and it could've been fine again though. But I mean it not like you sold it for $50, and you didn't seem super hyped about it so it sounds like both parties did ok.
>>65375452>>65375454>>65375565 (Me)Ok I pulled it up on a bigger screen and now I'm not sure at all anymore.The layer lines on the bottom of the grip are not indicative of bakelite mold, which is shown in the split seam down the middle on the pic I posted of a real one.Appreciate the follow up though.Whoever did that did a pretty bang up job, if it is a print.Carry on and enjoy the para-trooper.
Who makes the best one of these? Railed front sight base. Anyone got pictures?
>>65365415They’re fine. Might need more work than Russian stuff to fit. If you’re not retarded you could put one together.
>>65375454100% that is 3d printed. Can’t believe someone paid 250 for that but happy for you
>>65375015>Local shopsfilth. Buy online and have it shipped to one of those local shops instead. Look them in the eye while you lay hands on your 600-700 dollar WASR while their WASR hangs on the wall behind them with a 1k price tag.
>>65376369>600-700 dollar WASRMust be nice still living in 2018. >Stock up on toilet paper, retards do a run on it in a couple yearsEven piece of shit Rileys are $800+ currently.
>>65370757I didn't get the joke at first and just thought you were mentally ill. I still think that, but for different reasons. Funny.>>65371052I picked up a couple gaskets already and had been considering e-tape.I will check out the piston and the SOTR.Can't justify a second supp for only one AK. Thanks for your suggestions.
>>65375015>buy picrel for 399>buy receiver for 125>spend the rest on toolsAnd then you can build more
>>65376424nigga if youre wanting to buy brand new and in person youre doing it wrong. Even then, new WASRs can still be found for great prices
>>65376424NTA but check gunbroker. Wasrs can be had from 650 to 800. Paying 1k for a wasr just by itself is retarded.
>>65358157Hey everyone, I know this was asked 6 billion times online but cleaning after corrosive ammunition is confusing the shit out of me, pros will say use hot water and that would make sense but the inside of the gun especially the action is covered with grease and oils and there's likely residue on the piston and inside the barrel so wouldn't water be useless in this case because it would just run off the oily surfaces and leave the salts mixed in with oils and glued to the metal? And wouldn't you also need to scrub everything while spraying with water? I've seen people just spray water on where most of the crap is but it just doesn't seem effective. Are there any other kinds of solvents that can work here? I use a mixture of ATF and mineral spirits and it worked great for normal cleaning, I've only shot commercial new ammunition out of mine but have a bunch of old rounds too
>>65376928I'm not buying anything, nigger.I'm just point out the reality of shit.The dollar has 30% less buying power since 2020, so shit's more expensive.>>65377145There are four WASRs currently on GoBroker for under $900, and they probably aren't going to sell for that little, because GunBroker is botted to shit.I'm not saying there aren't deals to be had, but they are few and far between.
>>65377262The deals are not as few and far between as you are making them out to be. Currently there is almost 10 listings on gun broker, probably more if I just used the term "wasr" or "wasr 10". However since inflation is still creeping thanks to zion don and his tendencies to be an israeli cum rag, I would still recommend anyone to shit or get off the pot when it comes to deals on imports.
>>65377525>>65377262Forgot pic rel
After thinking about it I might just go with a Zastava because I'm getting it up the ass either way, might as well go for an overall better one.
>>65377575Better how? Besides it weighing a pound more, it's still just an AK.Find the "cool" AK that you actually want instead of trying to just get an AK because FOMO.
>>65377993Better in the sense it's not known for having fucked sights and jiggly magazines. The whole appeal of the WASR is that it was a cheap beater AK to get your foot in the door, if the price of it is comparable to an M70 now why not just pick up an M70? Doesn't help that I've seen people talking about how trash the WASR furniture is so I'm going to need to pick up a new set right off the bat raising the cost even more.Getting a real beater POS that doesn't cost an arm and a leg is an option but then you have the same issues as getting a used car, you're going to be putting more money into the thing that what you initially spent. I'd honestly rather spend more up front if it means I can guarantee a couple thousand rounds before something shits the bed. The only thing holding me back from making a decision is that with an M70 you pigeonhole yourself into Yugo parts.
>>65378067WASRs haven't been "known" for those issues in almost 20 years.All AKs can have canted sights.Cheap is relative, and as before, 30% less worth in your currency. Yugos also used to be $500, but I'm not hearing the same energy towards their price jumps. When I bought my OPAP it was cheaper than the WASRs were at the time, and everyone was bitching about how terrible NPAPs were.Just bite the pillow and buy the AK you actually want, no matter the price, whether its a WASR or a Polytech.
>>65378067Yugo parts are very common now though, parts commonality would only have been an issue in the mitchell arms days when they imported the first zastavas in the 80s and 90s. So many yugo parts and kits have been imported in the last 20 years that theres nothing to worry about IMO.
>>65375015Just wait until you find out about the ammo situation
>>65378129Nta but Are yugo parts interchangeable with regular AKM like bolt and parts of the bolt for example? I know handguards and gas tubes and side rails are different obviously but internals seem identical visually except the trunnion
>>65377993>>65378067>>65378100Yugolander here, we have a fuckton of old and new M70s or iterations of it sold everywhere, and a very limited selection of non fake AKs, mostly Jacks. Russian and Romanian AKMs are rare as fuck mainly because most were destroyed and neglected in the war and because local nations took pride in their fake AK making it overall more popular. Sights are still off center including on mine which is a semi auto M05E2 made in 2025 so it's still a standard quirk I'm not bothered with, yes some of them still have canted handguards from the factory and not all mags fit perfectly, some jiggle but still work, original mags have bolt hold open which is almost useless but I guess some people like that feature. M70 is a little bit heavier but it's not really noticeable. A lot of the older ones are underfolders and in my personal opinion it's fugly. Almost all modern ones have a weird selector/brake/safety where the only available semi auto function is located exactly where the automatic option is located on the non castrated AK, they put a stopper under the lever. Spring retainer has a push button that holds it back so you don't have to jiggle the dust cover off or slap it when reassembling which is really nice. The only thing I dislike is the lack of bore chroming which isn't an issue unless you treat your gun like a complete bubba. So in general yeah it's better but not twice as good, and AK is generally a good gun so you really can and should go with whatever you think looks cool, you still can't really shoot or abuse any of them enough to the point where they fall apart and even if you could, you probably have enough money to spend on another one. >>65378514Yes, the bolt and bolt carrier are identical mechanically, it's basically an AK with some RPK featuresAnd you can use normal handguards with it actually you just need to make an adapter but it's much simpler to 3D print them out of some tough filament in the year of our lord 2026/1448
>>65378539Forgot to add the stock mounts differently because on m70 the rear of the receiver is completely flat it doesn't have that tang protruding into the stock, and the side rail for optics is the one like on the SVD
>>65377205You'll get some light surface rust if you leave it dirty for weeks, and that's only a real problem in the barrel since it can fuck your accuracy up. You can just wash them off with hot water directly then use WD40 to dry them, it's not rocket science, gas system and barrel will be dry enough for the wata to just flush everything out, greasy internals will be already protected from corrosion until you have time to clean that off properly later, use some sort of degreaser then spray with water if you really feel like you need to. In general it's not that much of an issue like YouTube would make you believe it's not like your gun is gonna fall apart if you don't do the procedure 3 seconds after shooting but in general there's not much use of shooting corrosive ammunition mostly because it's not that common or cheap anyway, and a lot of these rounds are old and can produce misfires
>>65377262damn bro just like make money and shit
>>65364185You are a grown adult man, how do you not know what wood grain looks like?
>>65379687>can't tell the difference between wood and a 3D printYou're a grown adult man and you can't tell?
>>65379852NtaIt looked like laminate layers until I opened the image in a new tab (im a mobilefag)So maybe he has the same issue
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>>65360429Still pissed his book deal fell though with headstamp.
>>65383499Can I get a qrd?What book deal? Who's headstamp?
>>65374609>Fires half a liter maybe 2 metersWhat a piece of shit.
>>65383572>what book dealDeal to have a book written about the Azov Battalion. You already know who they are; if not, Azov was a Ukrainian neo-nazi paramilitary that operated in Donbass from 2014 onward, and was folded into the National Guard of Ukraine due to the war. Their emblem is a wolfsangel, and they historically have had sonnenrads (and straight wolfsangels) in their iconography. They were made into a full Corps in 2025, and that corps' shoulder patch is a Wolfsangel and a very clearly German-derived eagle.The man in the video is Carolus Löfroos, a Swede who joined Azov in 2014 who had said book deal.>who's headstampHeadstamp Publishing is owned by Ian McCollum of Forgotten Weapons, they publish mostly historical literature about small arms. Ian had a deal to publish that man's account of time with Azov, but the usual suspects got pissy because "publishing a book by a literal, indisputable neo-nazi" and Ian backed down.This was all like 5ish years ago.
>>65383668Thanks for the insight.>The man in the video is Carolus LöfroosIm pretty sure the guy in that video is Maxim Popenker, though.
>>65383727Is it? My bad, must have gotten a face/name confused somewhere.The rest SHOULD be correct though
>>65383730>SHOULD beWell nothing ever came of it, so it's kind of irrelevant. I thought you were talking about a book Maxim was having trouble with, which would have interested me.Some hohol faggot, not so much.I do appreciate the run down though, however irrelevant to me it may be.
>>65383572I was the one you replied to, I was referring to Popenker and his AK book. I have no fucking clue what this >>65383668 faggot is on about.
>>65383828That makes a lot more sense.Too bad, could have used another AK book to add to my library.Do you know what happened?
>>65383828The only issue Headstamp had that I was aware of at all before making this post right here was the one with the Azov guy. That's what I was talking about.But after reading up on Popenker's book and why (and when) it was withdrawn from Headstamp, it seems to be related to the Azov book's attempt at publishing because Popenker is Russian and the dates in the timeline of events coincide, so they are very likely related to one another with Headstamp losing both books.
so are the PSA Krinks a disaster or are they good to go? I feel like they came out and no one said either or
I have a WASR and I put AK74 surplus wood on it 10 years ago because I did not know the difference. Thoughts on putting WBP laminate on it or should I stop being autistic and just leave it. Dongs are cringe.
>>65385907>74 surplus woodLike palmswell handguard and relief cut stock? Blonde or painted/shellac? Do you like the look?If some WBP laminate would make it cooler to you, go for it.I have a giant box of furniture for my AKs, and tend to swap shit out depending on my mood/vibe I'm looking for.>should I stop being autisticIf you were actually autistic, you'd put a dong on it; because it's Romanian furniture on a Romanian gun.>dongs are cringeBlasphemous.
>>65385747disaster
>>65386638Oh now, come on. They're not that good. :)
Friend impulse bought a PSA 300blk krink. Is it over for him
>>65385747IDK you tell me (google search it)
>>65389506Liable to give up the ghost at around 1/50th to 1/10th the reasonably expected lifespan of an actual gun. Mine broke catastrophically at 1100rnds or so. Most don't make it past $5k or so. Lots of issues. Fuck PSA.
>>65387739Orthodox seems more and more based.Pic related is Maronite Catholic though.
>>65389711can you describe how your 300 krink broke?
>>65389754I didn't have a 300blk Krink, I had a PSA AK102 which shares the same bolt and trunnion geometry as far as I know. The issue I had is very well documented. Something out of spec causing primers to blow and primer debris to get stuck in the firing pin channel causing dragging on the firing pin, and deadlining the gun until you disassemble the bolt entirely. Unacceptable.
>>65379454Seeing lefties shoot from this side always bothers the shit out of me
>>65390662>>65389754This is not true. While I cannot vouch for the 300blk out krink, the trunnion geometry debacle with the ak102 psa shits out is not the same design the krink uses. The issue with 102 that psa offers is they use a 74 style bolt with a akm pattern trunnion which cause significant play with lug locking surfaces. M26 lemon grenade did a good breakdown of his ak102 issues but I wouldn't doubt the sensative bald woman temperment he has made him delete it or not.>tldr, Agoodenoughgunner has gotten over 2k with his 5.56 krink and has no issues with the gun itself.https://youtu.be/fpJdDNFfGMI
>>65385747You would probably be better off getting a zastava m85 instead, but I am same anon as >>65393690.See a goodenoughgunner's vid on it. I wouldn't expect an actual combloc quality aks74u piece but it appears to be good for killing pests around your property.
>>65392696Bubba, I…
I want a DSA FAL but I’m also tempted to acquire a Saiga 308 from Fuddbroker and have it built into an AK 308 clone or something like Polenar Tactical’s SAG build.
>>65393706:)
>>65393695oh yeah I've already got a 92. I don't want to get a PSA Krink but I was curious because it seems no one talks about them anymore
>>65394135Well, it's probably going to be the 3rd ak pistol I get. 1st it is zastava m85 with the faux suppressor pinned and welded with underfolded stock, a mini draco then the psa krink once I am financially able to splurge on funs
Selling my VEPR 12. Nice setup, folding stock, SGM 3 piece choke kit (Modified, full, extra full), MOLOT grip, russian railed handguard and russian molot folding vertical grip. Can include the Eotech EXPS 3-4 and the Streamlight TRL-2 HL light and laser and pressure pad combo for GIGN clone inspired. Comes with 3x VEPR12 mags. Don't have price finalized but I'm hoping to get ~$1800 or so for the setup sans Eotech and Streamlight bits. Would do $2450 with the Eotech and stremlight setup. precisionphilosophy@gmail.com>>65393690Fair point, just discussing... but has anyone inspected the bolt and trunnion of the 300blk and 5.56 Krink and confirmed that they're not the same as the fucked up 102 bolt and trunnion?
>>65394671I am certain that psa uses propreitary specs for the krink. If it was the same geometry and mish mash of akm and ak74 spec bolt and trunnions we would be seeing more psa krinks with the same symptoms and failures of psa ak102/101s. Unfortunately I checked m26lemmon grenades channel and of course the queen he is, deleted all of the somewhat useful shit he uploaded.
>>65358157Can someone help? I tried to turn this handguard to straighten it out, it came crooked from the factory, front of it is nicely centered but the back isn't. I couldn't do it no matter what, tried using a wrench, vise, tapping with hammer but it didn't move a millimeter and I almost deformed the gas tube. Not only is it annoying to look at but it causes issues when mounting stuff since it has a top rail that's also polymer, and I obviously can't remove it to change handguards either.
>>65396929If it matters this is from one of the newer zastava models
>>65396929>I couldn't do it no matter what, tried using a wrench, vise, tapping with hammer but it didn't move a millimeter and I almost deformed the gas tubeLess hulk strength, more finesse. Are you pressing downward to depress the upper handguard spring, while you rotate?A glove might help too.If all else fails, hit it with your purse.
>>65397127There's no retainer spring on mine, it's just a single piece of plastic that's stuck on the tube and that's about it. When I did manage to make it move a hair all I did is turn the front part (right side of picrel) which didn't need moving, the part I have an issue with seems like it's welded together ffs
>>65397149Hell even if I decide to buy another set of furniture for this gun I don't think it's gonna be possible to remove this handguard without destroying it since I'd probably have to melt the plastic off with a torch
>>65397149>There's no retainer spring on mineYou should still be pressing in the middle of the handguard as though there was one.Lubricate it here and try again later. It had to go on there, it'll come off without breaking it; unless you're impatient and continue to try and brute force it.
>>65397183I was about to ask if it's gonna be of any help if I drip some oil there and I did that, how they put this thing on I have no clue at all, only idea that comes to mind is that they heated the plastic up with something to make it softer, idk All I really need is to make it straight, the handguard is strong enough to even hold a red dot without it losing zero
>>65397198Throwing in the freezer might not hurt to try. Or running it under hot water for the opposite effect. I recall some guys using a strap wrench, in lieu of one of these tools.Don't destroy it though, if you can't get it have a friend give it a go. Maybe a second opinion, in person, can figure it out. gl
>>65397215That tool looks nice and I'd make it but don't have any machinery to bend the sheet metal like that and I honestly expect it to just bend out of shape with how hard this pos is clamped onI thought about making a custom wrench in cad and laser cutting it out of something thick to sort of grip the thicker part of the fas tube better but I don't know if it's gonna do much for me, I've been fighting this thing for almost 2 months now If I make the wrench I'll post the dxf here or somewhere else and link it, might be useful for some people, from what I understood there's no difference between real aks and m70s as far as this gas tube nut goes
>>65397256Or I guess I should keep it like this since it's stuck on so strong I expect it to be rigid enough to hold a red dot without losing zeroUnfortunately I love the long eye relief but there's no railed gas tubes available in my country at least none I've found for sale But thanks again
I know that it would be a bad idea, but I want the poverty 300blk krink and the Groza body kit.
> got called a dumbass because I told a guy svd is not a stretched out ak it was a good day
Remember, just like YWNBAW, FRTs are YWNBAMG. The sudden influx of ameri*ans thinking their 3D printed shit makes suddenly a civilian potmetal shit an actual military rifle with a third position is hilarious.
>>65398266Checked but full auto really is useless even in a war > The sudden influx of ameri*ansThey probably saw videos from that gook faggot on yt who likes to shoot clown guns quickly and got hyped but arthritis got in the way Just like boomer tards and sperg zoomies who were raised on cod can't stfu about muhh garand ping in comments
>>65398266Full auto is only useful for belt feds, full stop.
>>65398334>They probably saw videos from that gook faggot on ytDunno chief, my instagram (yeah shame on me) is CHOKEFULL of fucking FRT videos. Full. >>65398387It's not about usefulness. It's about owning. There's no reason (none) (0) (zero) to not be able to own what whatever grunt owns. Even more so in a country that has a specific amendment about shit like this. We don't even have such privilege.
>>65398266I just want a PE57. Have a parts kit and a SIG AMT (510-7T) but it just isn’t the same.
>>65398408> It's not about usefulness. It's about owning. There's no reason (none) (0) (zero) to not be able to own what whatever grunt owns. Even more so in a country that has a specific amendment about shit like this. We don't even have such privilege. This, it's absolutely retarded when guns are talked about and plebs feel the urge to mention how and what and why a ceeeveeeleunz "should" have, like nigga shut the fuck up a gun is a thing that shoots bullets just like a knife is a thing that cuts, why the fuck should there even be some deliberate categorization that doesn't make any difference. If I had to pull out documentation in my country essentially to beg the pigs to allow me to have something they wave around all day then let me buy whatever the fuck I want and think looks cool
>>65398626They're neat gun. Heavy as fuck, looks like a metal wood stove or a heavy duty pan, fires a heavy ass caliber. Neat ass gun all around. As much as i like the 550, they feel onions in comparaison.
I need some advice. So I bought a parts kit a while back thinking I was going to build an AK. I need a barrel, the front trunnion, a receiver, and some rivets I guess. I have access to a drill press and a hydraulic press.I’m not sure if it would be worth it for me to go through with building it or if I should just find someone to sell it to. I mean I’d like to build a scrappy old AK, but I don’t know how much the stuff I need will cost or if it’d be worth it. I forgot I don’t even have a spot welder.
>>65400905>bought a parts kit>no front trunnionHuh?You have the tools to do it at least, but the specific fixtures to do a lot of the work cleanly are costly, and aren't really worth it anymore vs paying a builder or selling it unless you plan to build a few AKs.You can get an 80% receiver that has the rails welded already to save needing a welder. Barrels and rivet sets are plentiful.Finding a trunnion is a bit weird, did you buy a milled receiver kit and not realize? If you just need a trunnion, either surplus for a kitbash or you can try one of the new-made virgin WBP ones.
>>65400924I appreciate that anon. Let me check the box. I might have it, it’s been a long time since I looked at it.>80% >you have the toolsOh that sounds a lot better.My bad, I guess I do have the rear, but not the front one. He said something about it having to do with shipping or whatever. Something about he wasn’t sure if it was legal to ship a front trunnion like a receiver or whatever.However as you can see, the screws were just cut off so unless I wanna tap those out, I’m gonna need another one.
>>65398266>swisscheese is angry he can't have essentially a full auto AR without the gobberment knowing about both the AR and the Fart triggerit feels exactly like full auto despite not being so
>>65400980>he wasn’t sure if it was legal to ship a front trunnion like a receiver or whateverYou bought it from an idiot, then. Trunnions are not the "gun" part (in the US), you can ship them just fine. How did he think he got it in the first place?Sorry about your matching trunnion, but it's not the end of the world. Surplus one or new virgin WBP one would work, you'd just have to do the rather difficult task of force-matching your bolt to the new trunnion. If you really want this gun built, assuming you've never worked in AK building before (you haven't), I'd heavily consider looking for a builder.Headspacing a barrel is one thing and is easily doable with drunk-hillbilly tier machine knowledge, matching a trunnion and bolt is another thing entirely.>screws were just cut offIt's a kit you saved from a screwbuild, or are those rivets with the heads cut off from the demill process? If they're actually screws, yea cut a slot and turn them out. If they're rivets, they should just pop out with a bit of elbow grease to start the movement.
>>65401013>You bought it from an idiot, then.I don’t wanna call him an idiot, but I did just realize every piece of metal in this kit has been spray painted black, and rubs off with my thumb. Oh man..>mfwOh well, at least I’ll have my scrap metal AK I can utterly abuse and not worry about.>How did he think he got it in the first place?Honestly, I have no idea.>look for a builderI guess I could try to. How much do you estimate that to cost including the barrel and front trunnion?Also, my bad. I thought it was screws but looking closer it looks like rivets.
>>65379449>>65379454Are these just aimpoint copies?
>>65376019Forgot the name of the company but their logo is that of a chess knight, another is occam defense, those are the only ones that i'm aware of that make front trunnions with pic rails.
>>65401117Paint is paint, what matters is the material underneath. "Real" factory AKs often had dogshit finishes too once they left the factory. Armory paintjobs are never going to be as good as factory.>how much do you estimate that to costDepends on where you are and how long you're willing to wait. Expect close to the cost of a new WASR if you include the kit itself in the total cost (assuming you paid 300-500ish for the kit). The last time I had a kit built I paid ~1000 total including 350 for the kit itself (Bulgarian AK74), but that was also 2019 so ymmv.Look around online, check a few forums for suggestions in your area or ask local shops/at shows if they know anyone. A lot of AK builders have also either passed away (Marc Krebs most notably) or retired from AK building in the last 10 years, so ymmv. Don't even think of "big name" people to do your gun unless you live near them (M13 and Rifle Dynamics are both in the Vegas area, for example), and even then they all overcharge for their work, so look for smaller shops willing to do it.
>>65376019>>65401152Just remembered it was sabrewerks
>>65401272>M13 and Rifle DynamicsThe tainted fags of AKs.>>65401117I would suggest CW gunworks or the Appalachian gunworks, that one Pod dude is okay but he is still lame for trying to sell those overpriced 3D printed Ak followers and taking down those one that people shared for free.
So after bugging you guys for a year about this ak pistol vs that ak pistol, I finally cracked and just got an arsenal. I'll post pics once I pick it up from the store. Anyone know where I can get wood furniture for a reasonable price? I know regular akm stuff won't fit and all I'm seeing otherwise is expensive "custom" stuff for the sam7k
>>65401272I think I’ll probably just order an 80% receiver and try to put it together myself. The guy did also give me a no go gauge too. I just don’t have a grand laying around to spend on a fun.
>>65401817>egular akm stuff won't fitCould be wrong but I think you can use any surplus ak grip, as for the handguards the only option I can think of would soviet stocks, they are closest I seen for new production copy of surplus wood.
>>65401850Those are way out over my budget, guess I'm going with one of the other 2/300 dollar sets I saw. Would furniture for the full size sam7 models fit the sam7k?
>>65401850The SAM7k has an ambi safety, its pistol grip is proprietary because of it. It's the same system as a Galil ambi safety.
Apparently m193 5.56 slaps out of a 20” barrel AR. What is the AK equivalent to this?
>>6540241441 cm barrel burns 99% of the powder by the time the 7.62 bullet exists so there's really no practical need for different sizes other than standard, not sure about 5.45 though
If I have the opportunity to buy an AK barrel and front trunnion for 175, but the barrel is already pressed in (not headspaced) is that a bad deal?Apparently the trunnion is from an demill and the barrel is Arsenal.Almost seems wrong seeing as my kit is Romanian.
I'm the guy from a day ago who had issues with canted/warped handguardSo I gave up on trying to make it right and put everything back together, including the free red dot I got recently. Does the sight seem too canted to the right or am I being a pedantic asshole?
>>65402511Didn't turn it on but the reticle is tilted by something like 2 degrees to the right, I mainly like shooting this thing at 100 or 200 meters (or yards whatever) so main concern is that sighting the dot in is gonna be a nightmare
>>65402511>So I gave upLel, fucking quitter.>Does the sight seem too canted to the right or am I being a pedantic asshole?Not really and kind of. Go out and try and zero it though. Maybe the stubbornness of it to move will play out in your favor and it'll even hold zero.Guess that also depends on how "free" that optic was as well.
>>65396929>>65402511Looking at this again, I wonder if it was clocked purposely, because that rail is at a much steeper angle by itself but on the gun it kinda lines up ok.Look at the angle the gas tube is cut at in relation to the rail, it's very close.I never asked, but what AK is this? Yugo M05?
>>65402767> Maybe the stubbornness of it to move will play out in your favor and it'll even hold zero This is what I also thought, when assembled there's no way to get it to move or vibrate at all even if I hit it with something. The optic isn't bad, it's ok. My buddy bought it, used it a few times and it worked on a 308 but found a better scope so it shouldn't have issues with x39 >>65402793Shit I didn't even notice that, it does seem to be cut at an awkward angle, when it's installed the metal brackets of the gas tube line up perfectly but there is still some visible error on the rail, and in picrel you can see there's a bigger gap between the slots on the left side vs the right oneI guess that's just how it came out of the factory and they compensated the same way they deal with canted front sight post > I never asked, but what AK is this?Yugo M05? Yeah, M05E2 but semi automatic so it's called PAPG not to sound scary in exports I guess. They're really well made guns overall mechanically, mine has 2MOA accuracy
>>65402867>that's just how it came out of the factory and they compensatedIt's within spec™>M05E2>PAPGNeat. How available are spare/aftermarket components for them there?Also where is "there"? Somewhere in Western EU, I'm guessing.What kind of ammo are you shooting? S&B? Geco? Lapua?
>>65402945I'm from one of the former Yugo countries so they're popular and available here, all of these M05 something rifles are basically just M70 but tacticool. They don't have chrome lined barrels but they're made out of some alloy that has a fuckton of chrome in it so it's almost impossible to get rusted, forgot the exact name of it. The civilian versions like mine are the exact same as military ones in your pic and have the exact same hardware except for the trigger and sear of course. > aftermarket There's some things here and there, UTG, AC unity, Zenith etc, but not too much, most of the aftermarket gun related things in general are either handmade or made by gunsmiths here. I shoot nothing but igman m67 fmj out of it primarily because it just works, isn't corrosive and is almost cheaper than pistol rounds, sometimes costs the same lol
>>65368807>SAk-80 Designed and manufactured by the Revolutionary Small Arms Factory (RSAF) in Enfield Oblast. The concept that would become the SAk-80 can trace its origins back to the late 1940s when an ambitious programme to develop a new cartridge and new class of rifle was launched in the Union of Britain after the Great Patriotic War. This effort was put on the back burner when the decision was made to license the 7.5×54mm MAS-47 rifle of the French Peoples Republic as the Automatic Loading Rifle. Still the idea of a bullpup rifle and an intermediate cartridge remained of considerable interest to the Union military, who contracted a series of prototypes throughout the 1960s and 1970s. The Prototype for the SAk-80 was approved for adoption in 1976 by the traitorous Heath government and the first examples became known to the free world after Russian backed Guerillas in Bengal captured samples from Union Paras. Widespread adoption didn't begin until 1980, so many associate it with the regime of the widely beloved General Secretary Madeline "Maddy" Thatcher. One of the most iconic photos of the "Woman of Steel" is of her holding an SAk-80 while visiting members of the Union Spetznaz unit known as the "Special Air Service." By 1985 the SAk-80 was ubiquitous in the Union Military, it could be seen in the hands of Union occupation forces in West Germany facing off against PATO forces in the East and directed towards the Icelandic Coast Guard during the deadly fisheries clashes of the 1980s. The disastrous Blair regime brought about the collapse of the Union of Britain and its dissolution in 1992. But the SAk-80 soldiers on, in services with both sides of the ongoing Scotland war and remaining popular with the world's few remaining communist regimes like theheavily militarized, isolated totalitarian dictatorship of the Danish People's Revolutionary Kingdom (DPRK)
>>65403017>one of the former Yugo countries>MyMonteNegro.traingdayKebab or Remove kebab?Is Kosovo Serbia?I'm aware of Zastsva AKs m8, but I appreciate the rundown of your PAPG version anyways.I asked about the aftermarket for two reasons. The first was to say why not utilize the side rail and get an dovetail optic mount, instead of relying on the upper handguard rail. The second was to beg you to send me a few of the folding stocks and railed handguard sets lel.Also what kind of mags you guys got floating around? Get any "rare" Bosnian mags?Bakelites?>shoot nothing but igman m67Makes sense, Yugoslavia was/is the home of M67.
>>65403127Thanks retard faggot bot. That's an Armenian K3, nigger.
>>65403168You're welcome, subhuman mongoloid rent boy. My post was clearly a joke, jeet
>>65403205>merely pretendingJokes are funny nigger. Your trash is tragic.>Everybody I don't like is a zigger/poojeet/whatever buzzword is popular this weekI'd rather have leafs and Aussies than your faggot ass.Post AKs.
Damn, got some nice cotton webbing to make a sling out of, even got blued steel buckles but the webbing is white and it's gonna look ugly after 3 hours
>>65403222K
What’s everyone’s thoughts on type 3/kbk/55/other builds? Worth the build and coin, or should I stay happy with my flock of stamped guns?
>>65402019>>65401850You can relieve most surplus grips to fit pretty easily
>>65403296I have one of the bulgarian mixmaster kits from apex, and a tortort To me, the type 2/3 is the most distinctive "true" AK, peak sovl, it just is perfect
>>65403296>>65403300I mean just look at this
>>65403300Did you use the screw in barrel or the press in? I see tort tort seems to make both. AOA has that layaway deal and I’m tempted. Not sure how they handle serial matching though (think like how Childers gives an option) of if you’re just stuck with whatever. Picrel is from Mongolian Military Museum and has been tempting me to go with a milled. The amount of slabs they had was impressive.
>>65365400are those bullpups practical?
>>65403326>>65403332Aesthetic af. Also forgot pic.
>>65403332Press fit, since thats the barrel the kit came with. Regardless of that screw in barrels are a massive pain requiring a lathe to cut back the shoulder for headspacing
>>65403344Good to know. I’ll have to see what the kbk kits come with. Those kits are first in the runnings due to being cheapish, but open to all options at this rate.
>>65403332Also since all the tortort marking are on the bottom under the trigger guard I didn't worry about markings. I do want to at least polish and reblue it though, the finish is a bit too matte compared to originals
>>65403300>>65403326I'll get a lot of hate for this but to me the most real looking one was always the 74
>>65403353I'm almost positive all milled polish guns used screw in barrels, but the kits coming in have nice long front stubs, perfect for a reweld
>>65403354I’ll live with it. Worst case I can deep dive markings and just have them engraved while the torttort markings stay out of sight. Finish wise, I’ll likely just try to match the kit. Seems to be a couple variants for the polish of which im not yet far enough read into yet. >>65403357The 74 definitely has a look, but it is its own thing. When I think “classic” >>65403326 comes to mind.
>>65403362I think you’re right there. Barring rewelds, I think you’ve got the option either to go fully clone correct or do the Bulgarian style with a press fit. Largely depends on if the kit comes with the original barrel or not. Might be easier just to have a radom barrel fit versus buying a new threaded.
Zastava M91 looks pretty as fuck, it really is a stretched out AK, not SVD but look at this thing
>>65403420In the old days when all you could get were press fit receivers people would turn down the threads to a 23mm journal, on their original barrel PLO kits (that people pay 5-10 thousand dollars for now lol)
>>65403431Wish they weren't $3k and came in wood.
>>65358157I bought the B-10m/B-19 zenitco handguard set but now I'm regretting not going full retard with a longer rail like the sport-4. Was the b-10m/B-19 still a good choice for a an AK with a 16" barrel? I think it might be because the shorter rail saves on weight and I'm not sure I need all that rail space.There are a few sport-4's on gunbroker for about $750.
>>65358157Does anyone know any decent ak mag wells? I found the 4shooters one that seems to be pretty solid and not add any extra snag points for hiking with it in kit. I was curious if anyone else had anything they liked more than that before i got the 4shooters one. Picrel, ak101 its going on as payment
Anybody wanna buy a parts kit from me?Everything’s here minus the receiver (obviously), barrel, and front trunnion.>Russian furniture plus dongPretty sure the other parts are Romanian or whatever.>ribbed and smooth dust cover>2 polymer grips and 1 wood>extra polymer forend and stock>also one of those shrouded gas block cover things>no go gauge>some rivets Guy I bought it from demilled it so there are some little scuffs here and thereWould trade for a good helmet I can use night vision honestly.
>>65404427Is it matching and of which location are you
>>65404445>Is it matchingHonestly I couldn’t tell ya. Like say the bolt has a different number than the piston, so probably not. I forgot to mention I have 2 metal mags and one Bakelite mag as well for it.>which location are youGeorgia
>>65404459I'm im cowetaI'll give you $250
>>65403298I don't trust myself to do it right, plus I don't have a vice
>>65404248So an M76 ?
>>65404971Not really. If an M76 was acceptable, an M77 would be even more logical.>but I don't want thatI want unobtainable shit for some reason.
>>65404581I couldn’t go that low. I would do like 400 I mean the bakelite mag alone is easily worth $100.Everything aside from the receiver, and front trunnion, and barrel is there.
>>65405000>I want unobtainable shit for some reason. > Trips Checked haha I'm not sure if M77 is the same thing as M2010 but from what I know 2010 sucks dick and has bad accuracy and unreliable magazines I'm sure someone who works with wood could carve some pretty furniture for M91, how else would they have made the wood on all the AKs in the world to this point
>>65405139Akchthually I'm 100% sure M2010 is M77 just with butthole stock I remember simping for it for years before I decided to buy a rifle and have up on that specific one last minute, got a normal ak instead, still thankful I didn't waste my money
>>65405139Blowing 3 grand on a rifle to have to drop another at least $500 more for furniture, is not my idea of a good time.The M77 variants here seemed fairly well received, but most guys who get a battle rifle caliber gun usually go for G3 clones.>>65405145>I'm 100% sure M2010 is M77 just with butthole stockYou Euros really go for everything tacticool? That thing is railed out.I'm sure there's more than a few guys who would take those M21 folding stocks for their M85/M92 for a little something different than the standard UF.I prefer my M77s to be a little more traditional. With a Tabuk stock.
>>65405202Yeah I also think 3k is a lot for any rifle in general unless it has some insane historical value or something, but if I had a ton of money and there was one available I'd buy an M91 > The M77 variants here seemed fairly well received I'm sure they're ok rifles, over here it was mostly the marksmen complaining about some of them, so it was probably the case that someone was salty about it not being able to blow caps off bottles at 1km or something > You Euros really go for everything tacticool? That thing is railed out. Kind of, see for some reason we don't have middle ground and classical rifles are old timey while military style stuff has to be tacticoolized for some reason I know I hate it too. Hell I would probably have been a sellout and bought an ar15 if it looked like one of the real m16s but every ar has to look goofy like a space movie gun This handguard with rails isn't even useful in general especially not on the dmr, it's literally just aesthetic piece in this case. Could be made to look nicer, but the m91 stock is cool as fuck
Is it bad? I heard that soldiers dislike them.
>>65406571It's kino and everybody at the range will be sucking your dick, which is the only thing that matters.
Guy is selling an unconverted Saiga 12 for $600 obo. Convince me not to throw a $500 offer at him and to use that money on literally anything else, I also already have a Vepr 12 so it would be very redundant but I want it anyway.
>>65358157retard here,i like 223, should i get a galil over an AK in 223?Is there anything wrong with the galil besides being jewish?
>>65406648i want it
>>65405052$400 fucking dollars lmao kill yourself redditfag I’ll go buy a Rommy kit with mags that’s not in Georgia and will still have change to spare.
>>65406648>Convince me not to throw a $500 offer at him and to use that money on literally anything else, I also already have a Vepr 12You already have the best AK in 12g.Go blow that $500 on Molot 10 rounders. Should net you ~4. Or you could get Pufgun 10s and get like 10.
Which one, /akg/?
>>65407006Definitely the krink, has much more soul.
>>65407006Neither. 7.62x39 or bust.
>>65407063Now, how about these?
>>65407097I like the modern polymer krink look over the wood, but it depends if you're a purist or not. The modern furniture gives the krink a more sinister, industrial brutalist look which appeals to me.
>>65407170Why would it matter if you're a purist or not? Plum krinks are a factory option, and imo the purest form of krink.
>>65406867I've got a couple pufgun mags and a drum (piece of shit only works at half capacity). If I were to throw that kind of money at it though I'd probably send it out to Dissident to get the barrel cut or something but I can't be assed to do the paperwork. Maybe if the NFA finally fucks off and dies.
I have aM70AB2 surplus kitM85SAM5WBP JACK 762Draco full size13 in Galil Ace gen 1what else should I get? Considering a WASR and an M90
>>65406571>I heard that soldiers dislike them.in the middle east it seen as a trophy of the highest kind, not sure if it been replaced with the M4.
>>65406671>galil besides being jewish?Besides supporting the Jews, you lose the aesthetics of an AK but much better performance from a Galil ACE
>>65407170>modern polymer krinkThat's just a 100 series.
>>65407459Did you refinish the wood?
sort of thinking of changing out the furniture and getting a holosun 515
>>65407633I think lower wood palm swell hand guard would look nice, get a bakelite mag to match it up with the grip, cheese greater look nice.
>>65407643how are those Woox mlok hybrid wood handguards? I will probably source a bakelite mag for photos.
>>65407680>Woox mlok hybrid woodOver priced hyped garbage, if you need grip get dong.
How hard would it be to diy a cheese grater handguard? Let's say you can cad it out and have it laser cut, would fitment and bending still be a nightmare?
>>65408033>cad>lazer cut Literally just measure the circumference and length of your existing handguardCut out a square piece of light gaue metal, drill some holes, bend it over something round and file to fitWhy do notools always have to overcomplicate things
>>65408033just buy oneor better yet, dont, cheese graters are gay and reddit as fuck
>>65375015I'm in one if most red pro gun states and local shops are absolute garbage whether you're in okc or rural dumbfuck land. For some reason people always post about deals its in AZ or NH like wtf.
>>65403296Get an unfucked with SA93. Building milled kits on virgin American receivers is more nuanced than people think. Had a pretty respected builder fuck up a galil a few year back because he didn't check the lug contact. Matching akm builds this is less of an issue since the bolt and trunnions were already matched but there are technically mote steps to assembly
>>65404248Sexo
>>65407459>M85>ACE.1 13You already peaked. M90 isn't going to do much more than your existing collection unless you want a 5.56 HBAR musket. Also anybody currently in the market for M90 should be aware there's a guy on YouTube who's having keyholing issues after 1000 rounds and zastava usa literally did nothing and told him he's the problem and to clean the gun lol instead just admitting they ship out lemons and giving him a replacement
>>65409326AZ here, my local shops almost always have SAR, WASR 10/63, mosins, SKS, arisakas, enfields, fixed carry handle M16s these sorts of things for sale it's heaven and I buy too much
>>65409358agreed, if you have an M85 there's no point in buying an M90 it's the same thing in a much longer barrel
>>65407622Nope came that way>>65409358Yeah I think at this point I am doing good on AKs. Only other thing I am considering is a WASR to kit either that or the WBP out in a set of barwarus furniture and keep one nice wood. Maybe an MDC AK102 if theyre any good.I think I might get a DD M4A1 as my next rifle, dont have an AR.
>>65409654Very nice, out of all the way mounting optics which is your favorite? I like the aesthetics of side rails but rear sight leaf picatinny is more minimalist.
>>65409704i actually bought a tws dogleg to put on that draco and it didnt fit so havent had a chance to test that one, same with an attero arms mount, i think its out of spec lol, but considering both of those have had reports of losing zero I dont think im missing out.Side rail has really come out on top for me in terms of convenience and reliability. It's just way too nice to be able to slide your entire optic off the gun at will if you want to shoot irons or swap optics etc, and for the most part as long as you get a high quality one it holds zero, trading weight for convenience and reliability basically. The TDI X47 works but idk its kinda fucking heavy
Anybody ever do a 104 build? I have an sgl21, but just need to source the right Russian front sight post/gas block combo. Is there a reputable builder anybody would suggest?
>>65409338Noted, thanks. Did he at least unfuck it? I’m considering sending out to one who shares a name with a YouTube channel. He’s done fantastic work for my stamped guns. I think we’re at 5-6 now.
>>65410005>>65410028Chinese 20 round variations, both Type 56 and Type 63 as far as I know.Like I said, without seeing the back of the mag they're pretty indistinguishable from each other. And I'm not sure if every pattern had a counterpart (All stamped Star for example might only be a Types 63 pattern)
>>65410176The 11th pattern
>>65410176>>65410204And apparently there a slight variation in the ribs on certain star mags so technically 12.
>>65410176The rear lug where you can tell the difference between the two
>>65409358>a guy on youtube has a m90 with keyholing issuesLiterally who
Where have all the WASRs gone?
>>65409785I liked my 104 inspired build overall. I made it into a heavy as fuck pig. I can't recommend a builder.
>>65410606Why did you wait so long to buy one?
>>65410862I have seven AKs dude but I like watching market situations, now I'm wondering why there are hardly any in stock. Did they stop importing them?
I JUST WON A FACTORY SBR BULGARIAN KRINK IN 5.56 ON FUDDBROKER FOR $1875 YIPPEEEEEEEE
>>65410176Here's why I said I think the black 20s would be among the easiest to reproduce. Look at that baseplate. No special bakelite baseplate, just a regular AK baseplate. However, finding a mag to model from or getting someone to let me handle and measure one for reference is the hard part unless I want to piss away cash and pick one up.
>>65389704>>65389711>>65389754>>65390662>>65394671Im looking forward to your next crash out bud.
>>65394671Ditch the EOkek and streamlight and I’ll give you 1500 for it.
>>65396172Take everything this dude says with a grain of salt, he doesn’t even know what “billet” means, bro is a class A fucking bullshitter, he spelt nonsense that he knows vaguely anything about like he’s a professional. He’s famously botched multiple AK built and had to have gunsmiths correct them after people pointed out all the fuck up he did. It this guy will give you incorrect or straight up dangerous information. I also noticed that he regularly only site one source because he’ll believe anything he reads and then fucking run with it. He’s blatantly given people unsafe information before especially in regards to building AKs.I’m honestly thinking about adding a googledoc explaining the drama around him and why you should not listen to this fucktard to every /akg/ thread I bake after this, what do you guys think?
>>65411124I was tempted to reply with "what rivet what re-weld".
>>65411124How anyone respects a single word that braindead kike says is beyond me. He's obviously a retard
>>65411124You forgot the traumatic brain injury that helped him become the retard he is today as well
Guys, I can’t decide what to do with my AK parts kit. I already have a 20 inch AR set up like an M-16 A2/A3. The truth is I basically never shoot that rifle. I think it looks cool, but I’m not a super fan of it I guess. Part of me wonders how I would like an AK.Should I keep the AR and sell the AK parts kit or build an AK and sell the AR?
>>65411536Keep the ar-15 and build the ak.
>>65411536I personally find ARs boring to shoot, I have a lot more fun with my AK and it typically goes with me when shooting is happening.
>>65411547>>65411564I still would need a receiver, barrel, and front trunnion.I have a no go gauge, and some rivets, but everything else is pretty much there. I think I also need a trigger guard. I also have access to a hydraulic press.
>>65411087Well shit, I was wrong about the baseplate.I could've sworn it was more ribbed like 103s. It is closer to a regular steelie baseplate, but not quite the same.
>>65411087>finding a mag to model from or getting someone to let me handle and measure one for reference is the hard partWell you sure as shit can't have mine :)But is there something I can measure for you? I'm not going to blueprint it, but I've got calipers and some time.>unless I want to piss away cash and pick one upIf you're remotely serious about trying to remake one, this is going to be a necessity.
>>65410034Is he in Virginia lol, cus that's the guy who didn't headspace my galil properly. I should've made him fix it, instead I sold it at a loss. He was the 2nd Smith to have it in the shop and I was just fatigued at that point about shipping stuff back and forth. I tried to buy a JRA gallant recently cus I still miss the galil but I rejected it at the ffl because it was such a POS it made the Galeo look recoverable >>65410908They come in batches like all imports. Gun sales have been low since 2023 and other AK imports like zastavas and WBPs are getting scarce again too. I think everybody that couldn't move out of Colorado and VA panic bought something in the last 8 months
>>65410536Backyardracingstuff. I thought it was just him using cheap ammo but the dude insists his other rifles shoot the sake ammo fine. Dude may have cooked his barrel with wolf but still shouldn't be a problem with that kind of round count
>>65411862I think a pic as flat-on and centered as possible is the best I can hope for. Still doesn't do much for me unless I want to add some bondo or clay to a polymer mag and sculpt by eye which is time consuming and not accurate. I was also going to say to use a flatbed scanner (common trick with flat parts using a ruler to ensure the scale is right) but the baseplate tabs would make it not sit flat, so we're right back to square one which means...>If you're remotely serious about trying to remake one, this is going to be a necessity.My fears may be true lol, especially considering how strict I am with detail. On another project, I needed a spare trigger guard as the old one broke before I got the gun. Needed a lot more than that, too. Figured making my own might be reasonable, given I could find a trigger guard, but if I found one then I wouldn't need to mold one anymore lol. Anyways, a whole parts gun nicer than mine later, I figured out the issue, molded a good trigger guard, and I now have a mold to make as many spares as I want nearly identical to the original down to the texture and sheen. I still want to try different materials and fillers, though. Definitely going to make this more expensive of an endeavor, BUT it may just pay for my rare parts and let me have some spare repro beaters. Literal unobtanium like those dust covers, though, those I can model, print, bondo, sculpt, and smooth up for molds. There's a lot less precision and detail in something like that, not to mention no one has one to compare it to anyways, though I'd try as hard as I can to get it right. I think I'll start on pistol grips and more common polymer parts I can actually get good condition examples of. There's a lot lower stakes and cost there!
>>65409654Yeah between the sam5 and m85 your good on 5.56 AKs. I've had a friend that owned the Beryl, m90, and Sam5 and the latter was the most accurate but overgassed. M90s need to be $800 to be worth buying in this economy but theyre being run by a Bosniak jew. Now would be a good time to pick up a higher quality M4 clone, the market will never be more saturated with AR companies beginning to drop like flies. Try to buy under msrp I guarantee there's deals. The election coming up may not be a blue wave but there'll still be blood in the streets as Uncle T becomes more politically irrelevant
>>65412072>I think a pic as flat-on and centered as possible is the best I can hope forThat pic is about as flat as I can pull off.I was hoping the scaled cut pad would help, but I suppose not if you're trying to get more 3 dimensional type scans.>a flatbed scannerI'm not sure my HP printer/scanner is up to snuff. But I could try that if you'd like. I doubt it's gonna give you any better idea than that pic does though.>Literal unobtanium like those dust covers, though, those I can model, print, bondo, sculpt, and smooth up for molds. There's a lot less precision and detail in something like that.The plum ones are literally just overmolded on steel top covers, so the only point of contention would be thickness of the polymer over it and keeping it consistent over the whole thing.>not to mention no one has one to compare it to anywaysThe guys who actually have them would, but yeah. Those pictures aren't from some museum, they're from some guy's collection.>I think I'll start on pistol grips and more common polymer parts I can actually get good condition examples ofThat's a much more reasonable place to start, but Ronins Grips already does that and has been for years so it'll be tough to compete. Again, I hope you do it all; but I have doubts. Not necessarily in your abilities, but just the daunting task of trying to replicate intricate items. >used CamScanner app for this try, maybe it'll be better for what you're looking for, but I doubt it.
>>65412072Just saw your reply in the other thread, but I'll continue that here as well.>>65411072>Shit anon has seen my tan blanket mag pics lolPossibly but that's not how I know you. I'm the anon who informed you about the so called drain hole mags, as far as them being a known/"named" thing.>nork 20s>That's a thing?Yep. Atlantic recently had some actually.The spine is truly flat, unlike Chinese flatbacks. They seemingly hammer the spine flat and spot weld it, which is how you can identify them.
>>65412079Yeah I agree that M90s are overpriced. Sadly I think the days of sub 1k good import AKs are behind us. Probably gonna be able to get WASRs for like 900 for another year or two and then theyll be 1k too. Gonna finally cave and get an ar(gay) preferably something sopmod block 2 ish(cool)
>>65360429Is this the world ru guns guy
>>65413070I think the site is modernfirearms.net now but yes, that's Max Popenker.
>>65412270Thanks, anon. I'll update with what I make somewhere (where have the gunsmith and /k/reate threads been?) but it'll be a while. I think I'm going to try my hand at molding off 10/22 mags for testing thin parts and play with that. I'll probably fill some parts to aid in stiffness too. Pistol grips, I've seen the anon here and several others probably do it too. They seem like a good place to test for toughness and filler/color use, though, and I want to make some repros of earlier production pistol grips for certain guns that are actually pretty rare.>scannerThey're surprisingly good, but like I said, the tab not letting them sit flat will make the image not work. That pic is the best I've seen for a reference.>the plum cover is overmolded on steelWhy would they even bother to do that? Seems like added weight, lol.>...except the guys who actually own themShit, lol.>>65412567I've seen the flat back Nork mags but I didn't realize they also made similar 20s.>was listed for $140/2That's...surprisingly somewhat reasonable? I see people ask like $40-60 for Chinese 30s online and Bakelite mags are like $100-125.
How often do tort tort receivers come back in stock? I did the layaway wz60 despite my better judgment. I wanted that type 3 though. Just need to get receiver and barrel. Plan to do press in route.
>>65414042It could be anywhere from 1-6 months depending on material availability and what you're after in particular.Type 3 receivers are not a "high volume" item, expect 4-6 month windows between production batches. Most of what Tortort does is contract work for bigger things, not receivers, so you're after a niche product within a small pocket of the total shop time.Check back in September/October, if they're still OOS try again in February.Do also check third party retailers, some will have stock; Centerfire and Atlantic might still carry Tortort receivers (they both used to, at least).
>>65414060Yeah, just their press in variant. I figured I was in for a wait which is fine. I happened to check last week and they had some available, but I hadn’t yet made up my mind on type 3 goodness. I’ll be searching again tonight. Looks like Atlantic/others are also out but I could have missed something. That and barrel with the correct profile are going to be fun. Worth it in the long run though. I dream of a 9lb ak.
>>65411579The receiver will be what? A couple hundred bucks, same with the barrell. Just save a paycheck or a couple.
>>65412053Zastava should warranty out his rifle. I have a m77 and m70 and both run fine. The only hiccups I had with both were ftf but I suspect those were mag related. 1 because the m77 uses csspecs mags, and last I remember, my ftf in the m70 was from a worst korea mag. Also, watching that guy's vid, sounds like he forgot to register the gun for warranty or didn't even reach out. Sounds like a boomer problem to me.
>>65413585>Why would they even bother to do that? Seems like added weightTo be fair, this is all speculation on my part. For all I know it could just be a metal "skeleton". That would explain the extra ribs on it. My guess is that just the polymide wasn't stiff enough to keep and maintain the shape of the top cover.
>>65411536My 20" a1/2 is my favorite rifle to shoot period. What dont you like about yours?
>>65413585Here you can see the metal on the front tab and the rear hole where the recoil spring assembly comes through.Seems like all the raised ribbing would be where metal reinforcing could be placed, if it's not just wholly overmolded.
>>65413585You could go the Toth Tool/PSA route and clone Bulgarian waffles. Make some of the less prevalent "rare" colors and you might have a nice little niche that nobody's really tapped into.I'd love to have a few Arctic White waffles for wintertime fun.>Although that has a higher risk of getting sent a C&D by Arsenal, like PSA or have to pay royalties like Toth, jacking up the price to where it's the same as Arsenal mags.
Full length, carbine or compact carbine?
>>65415059The AK-12k is pure sexu, I’m making an AK-12k themed M85 build right now, I have all the parts, just need to get it form 1’d now.
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>>65414909>>65414919Quality pics of rare parts with size references and multiple angles like this are gold anon, thank you. I hope I'll be able to deliver some day. I'll update with attempts.>>65414982I'm having trouble striking a balance between able to be made and repros that won't get me sued/C&D'd if I make them, especially when making molds from an original or trying to exactly replicate a design. That's why Russian and old out of production (or even prototype) parts seem to be the way to go. Mags may be a bit of a challenge to work smoothly and source reasonable stand-ins for the guts and floorplate. I can't do thermoplastics/injection molding (ABS, Nylon, etc) but making a not-quite-bakelite product seems feasible if I can find the resin I need in the right color, ideally clear or white so I can add pigments and fillers to match. How close I can get to the right properties, I'm not yet sure. I can say I want to make sure heat doesn't soften these materials easily; no sense making something the sun (or warm gun) can easily warp like it's a vinyl record unless it's strictly for display and light use, which would be a lame outcome IMO. I want these parts to have a reasonable amount of durability.>rare colorsThat's the neat thing about this; I could make any color. Maybe some people like their bakelite parts more red, orange, or with more filler, grain, or mottling. Maybe someone wants a rare color variation like you. Hell, you want a border guard mag, I could do it in the same mold as regular bake mags as IIRC there's no physical differences (anyone have one for comparison?). Or maybe you want it in a color that never existed like blue. Anything's possible. I'm no expert in these materials, far from it, but I think I may be able to at least make some parts that someone out there wants. IDK about you, but as good as KCI fakelite is, it just doesn't do the job up close (painted). I'll probably be able to tell on mine too; I just hope it's closer.
Why are all the atlantic kits they've brought in thrse past few months so expensiveWith the barrel ban overturned a mismatched beat 2 shit bulgy is not worth $700 fukken dollars
>>65415373>there's no physical differencesThey're the same dimensionally and some even have the same mold numbers, as shown here. (these aren't mine)The reason I thought of the Bulgy waffles was for ease/cost of getting your hands on an example to use as a mold/casting template.>IDK about you, but as good as KCI fakelite is, it just doesn't do the job up close (painted)Couldn't say, I only have the real deal. But I've never seen a fakelite that I didn't immediately know it wasn't a bakelite.Unfortunately, there's just nothing quite like the real thing.
>>65415466How many reasons do you want?>because you're poor>because fuck you>because they're kikes>because you're definitely poor niggerYou should go import all the minty AK kits that definitely exist still and sell them for $300 or whatever you think is "reasonable".
>>65415580I know there aren't any nice aks left in the worldI also know atlantic paid pennies for these from whatever middle eastern shithole they got them fromTheyre charging "these have been banned from import since 2005" prices for currently imported shit
>>65415621Oh, I'm aware. That's why I don't do any business with Atlantic.Sorry the AK market sucks.It's gonna get worse.
>>65415727The last thing I bought from them was one of their "DIY" romanian kit builds that didn't come with furniture or a trigger group, for $499 or something, which was probably overpriced for the time desu
>>65415059Full. I love underfolders.
>>65415532>green and regular even share mold numbersWell, that's good. Keeps costs and risk of molding rarer parts down.>bulgy waffles easy to getI do wonder if the texture might trap bubbles, though I have a pressure pot so they should be minimal even if I have issues. Fine texturing seems to be a risk in some materials, though, and may require (better) mold release or a much more careful removal. I've torn texturing out of a silicone mold of a part before. First pour & pull tends to take any dirt, dust, or paint left by the part the mold was made from. Unfortunately, I took some fine texture as well as the part showed the color of the mold in the fine detail. May be nothing, may be a realistic concern. A source of clean and scratch-free parts like those bulgarian mags is an ideal test bed, though.>fakeliteFwiw, the RWB mags have impressed me the most. They're just too smooth and there's a missing detail at the top (the milled area where a steel mag would have reinforcing plates) where it's also too smooth. The baseplate is even bake-style and painted, although a hair thinner compared to my AK74 mag. The follower IIRC has that weird Korean rubber piece in it but is otherwise a good copy. Hell it even has fake mold numbers. Frankly, if it was in a gun on a rack, at a match, or in a video or movie, it'd be hard to tell unless you focused on it and actually had enough knowledge to pick the details. All that being said, it's still just not up to my standards. The milled "side plate" area is just flat with the mag and doesn't have texture, which probably means increased side to side wobble. The paint, while it can be close, is still paint, and can still chip. It's also smooth as fuck, and strangely so. And very flat and opaque. Just can't bring myself to buy one given I regularly run into decent deals on surplus or desirable commercial gun junk, just not a bakelite mag yet. No sense buying an RWB when I could get a good surplus steel for about the same price.
are there any good options for a tri or quad rail handguard for an m70? something similar to a b10m and 19 basically
>>65415466We don't call them kikelantic without reason
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