P226 XFIVE EditionGuide: https://files.catbox.moe/9g5sv2.pdfPastebin: https://pastebin.com/gs6mLNik (embed)Target(s) of the month for July. Shoot some redcoats. If you pass the first one, try the second.https://files.catbox.moe/clnjel.pdfhttps://files.catbox.moe/kloq65.pdfAttach this month's archive code "hg-qual-7-26" to help the collage maker (TYFYS) find entriesSoundtrackhttps://youtu.be/3yaab2_EEHM?t=91Previous >>65363176
for me its cz shadow 2 carryt. european
>>65367852We don't like your kind here
>>65367852Without being orange or blue, the CZ Shadow 2 kind of loses some aura. Now it's just black polymer handgun
>>65367895frame and grips are aluminium on this modelalso i got the blue grips in my safe, i just hate the colormake it look like some old sneakers
>>65367902I know that feel. I think the same about my PX4. I love the gun but the logo is a little sneaker-y
>>65367852Isnt it metal
I took my family shooting and didn't spill my spaghetti. Mom even shot .357 magnum and got a few shots in a fist sized group and she hasn't shot a gun since before I was born. Nice weather too.
>>65367828I got that one in my recommended today
>>65367895>Now it's just black polymer handgunExcept it's not polymer at all, sooo....
>>65367925>>65367828>girl avatar>man handsmany such cases>>65367915tell us more about your mom
should I buy extra springs, pins and spare parts the same day i buy a new gun?or should i wait until the parts are worn before ordering new
>>65367951No.Yes.Buy a case of ammo.Shoot said case of ammo.Have fun. That is not optional.
>>65367852>>65365903Answer my question, you faggot.
>>65368114the shadow 2 is more expensive and a more competitive versionits slightly better in every way but much more expensivebut a p01 is more valuealso got a compact version which has a significantly better trigger
Talk me out of a flux for my 365. I want to be retarded for a few moments and carry it since they have holsters
>>65367998>devil digits on the mini walther neat
>>65368131Thank you. I think I'll get a P-01 and cajunize it.
>>65368141ah, if you compare a cajunized p01 its gonna be similar to a shadow 2 carry, however youre gonna end up doing a lot of workyou might as well skip it and just get the carry insteador do the math on how much each of them would costalso look into the shadow 2 compact, it has a better trigger but no firing pin block, and a manual safety instead of a decockeralso the sights are different on compact and carry, the compact has better adjustable sights, carry is fixed. however the carry doesn't require adapter plates for optics but the compact does
>>65368132Its going to be an expensive meme over a dedicated PCC if you want to be accurate past 100 feet.
>>65367998How you like those chips Burt? I've been wanting to try them. Also, should I inquire more about this and maybe bite? >>65367807
>>65368202Sexo! Man I need to get me a 1911.
I want the Kahr royal flush, an MK40, MK9 and K9.
I noticed that most of my guns have plastic guide rods. Does adding a metal one do anything for it?
>>65368263yeah
Aside from cost, is there any reason to get a Shield Plus over an HK CC9? I like the CC9 more (still need to handle it) but the plus would be a direct upgrade for me though I've heard some have a wonky optics cut that I wouldn't want to deal with. Does that affect all of them or what?Also, did Burt ever get the ebay sight pusher?
>>65368184I won't buy them again but dont let that stop you>>65368263It increases your debt
>>65368263Should make it a little heavier but usually no, it doesn't do anything that matters. Only time I've considered getting one was for my M9 to make it 100% clone correct but uh, I sorta just didn't get one because I don't care
>>65368269I hate how the CC9 feels, has a Glock like grip angle with the default backstrap. Hated it. Try the S&W CSX
>>65368269The Shield Plus doesn't look like a Taurus
>>65368172Fair I suppose. I do really want a TP9 but I hear they have terrible issues. I may wait for the MP7
>>65368325Check the new Keltec
>>65368334They kinda fucked up by not having QD spots on it. And the brace which I'm guessing is proprietary so you can't swap it out
Thinking about entering a pistol match or something now that I got a contract that im not on every weekend. Those of yall who shoot matches, how do I start? I remember trying to find one in Detroit and they all were a much bigger commitment than I can make only being in one area for abour 3 months (need a yearly due, yearly range cleanup volunteer hours ect) was that an outlier or is this not something I can do with my weird lifestyle?
>>65367828Awful handling, I now feel the need to go out with my P226
>>65368369I've thought about it too, or at least do clay shooting
>>65367828That's a man
>>65368369look for action shooting and steel challenge matches or just steel shoots, steel challenge is the easiest to get into. bare minimum is literally a gun and 4 magazines.action shooting international is a casual friendly version of USPSA and IDPA. designed to be less competition and more practical defensive style shooting, low barrier for entry
>>65367828HRThands
>>65368375>>65368380>>65368401that's pastebin
>>65368404I don't think pantybin can afford HRT
>>65368406he dissolves grocery plastic bags in his bathtub to make troonshine
>>65368404Whatever, as a recent admirer of the P226, it should not be handled so awfully, same goes with bad USP and 92FS handling, just unforgiveable
eurofag herepicrel is unfortunately all I have.Shit's so unreliable no wonder it was discontinued after a few years. Still fun tho.>>65367852did you try the P09 nocturne, how does it compare?Next handgun will be my final one due to retarded laws. Am looking for something with an external hammer, decocker and barrel change option to 22. The P09 was the only thing I could find where I can more or less be sure that spare parts will be available decades later.
>>65367828The fuck is that? Why is he advertising his youtube channel?
>>65368406They can't afford new chromosomes. They'll be men forever, no matter what
>>65368423i havent tried the p09i generally prefer compact versions of guns, the full sized ones feel too big, but they work well
>>65367828Why post this?
>>65368302CSX was a strong consideration til I stuck a pistol with a similar beavertail in my waistband and bent over.>>65368304It looks more like a PPS to me. They both even have grip patterns that remind me of old school barbie pubes.I want a larger sub compact that I can conceal but also something to have fun around with. Maybe I should stick to my current Shield and get a range toy.
>>65367828Death to all VTubers.
How/why are slide releases harder to drop on an empty mag compared to if it has rounds in it? does the gun know its loaded
>his duty gun of choice is a GlockCouldn't be me.
>>65368485>How/why are slide releases harder to drop on an empty mag compared to if it has rounds in it?It's not supposed to drop on an empty mag
>>65368485You either haven't shot it enough, have a slight rush going when shooting at the range, or some combination of the two.After 300 rounds my slide release was fully broken in.
>>65368485You shouldn't be able to own a gun
>>65368485I hope you're baiting
>>65368492
wants:>factory threaded barrel>aluminium frame>compact but not subcompact>15-ish capacity>9mm>factory "competition" trigger aka an excellent trigger>accurate barrel>reliablesuggestions?
>>65368549 Height (inches): 4.560" with 10 Round Magazine, 5.0" with 13 Round Magazine, 5.520" with 15 Round Magazine Weight (ounces) with empty magazine: 20.8 Length (inches): 6.7 Width (inches): 1.1 Magazine capacity: Comes with one 13-round magazine and one 15-round magazine, giving you a total carry capacity of 16 (15+1)
>>65368552are kimber 2k11's good?
>>65368559I have seen nothing but positive reports on them, Ben Stoeger's 10k round review. https://youtu.be/0JLf-19t_a0several other people have already racked up high round counts on them
>>65368559They're the new 2011 hotness at half the price of a Staccato. I have yet to find a rental range with one but if anyone knows of one within 12 hour drive of Pennsylvania let me know I'll kill a weekend to shoot one and buy you dinner/lunch as a finders fee.https://youtu.be/h6mVBZwrNuE?si=RC1FrQWdfRODbro- heres a video on em
>>65368395Sweet thanks amigo
>>65368487I was using a Glock 19 before it was cool enough for the navy seals to use.
>>65368577I was a navy seal before it was cool to use the glock 19
>>65368449I'm the kind of OP who likes to really turn things around, mix them up and give the anonymous something they can kind of play with and turn around on and really just kind of hold and y'know– just do a lot of stuff like that.>>65368485>slide releases harder to drop on an empty mag compared to if it has roundsWhen empty, the follower presses the slide catch upward so your thumb essentially has the magazine force against it. When the magazine is loaded or removed, only the friction between the catch and slide opposes your thumb.65368487>Walther PDPThere's LE videos of those failing in the field. I can post some if you wish to see.>>65368426>serial numberAnon, you forgot to censor it.>>65368375>handlingYeah, support hand grip much too low. The entire point of that beavertail is to be pressed against with the web of the shooter's hand.>>65367925>So we are the same, David.>>65368473There aren't too many that are hasgunz >>65367943>>65368380>>65368401The man accusations have already been addressed https://youtu.be/7-kWXDWMb8s>>65368263My Glock has had the same polymer guide rod for over 12 years and it still functions without issue. I imagine replacing it with steel would amount to nothing more than wear on the slide (lug).
>>65368594>I'm the kind of OP who likes to really turn things around, mix them up and give the anonymous something they can kind of play with and turn around on and really just kind of hold and y'know– just do a lot of stuff like that.By posting troons? We just want guns
>>65368577Medal of Honor recipient also used a Glock 19 >>65368603Female, she promised.
>>65368610Even if he was a woman, it would be just as shitty
>>65368594How do you fuck that up? The P226 is one of the guns that feels the best in my own two hands
>>65368610And for reference this is my P226
>>65368594And 100x the videos of glocks failing. >muh limp wristIf it fails from the lowest percentile of shooters using it wrong, its a bad duty gun.
>>65368610>I promise to be a girl, trust me Troons are mentally ill. They'll always be men and you're a faggot for troon posting
>>65368552What's the deal with every company outsourcing the slide cuts and serrations on their pistols to the local high school? They all look so ugly.
Do we do black powder here? I'm looking to get one, but I can't decide between a Colt Walker/Dragoon or a Remington New Model Army.
>>65368549Factory idk but a langdonized 92 compact with a threaded barrel bought separately is close.
>>65368659One day I will get a proper 18th century style pistol, a Colt 1851 Navy, and a pirate pistolOne day...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4df2CMrpqqo
>>65368683Modern pirates use AKs anyway.
>>65368423That sucks, mine works great. Are you seating the magazine fully? Sometimes I find I don't get them fully clicked in because the mag release gets in the way. Also how many different types of ammo have you tried? Also what exactly are the malfunctions?
>>65368426my baby
>interested in the p239 as a daily carry option>watching videos and reading up on it>find out there are a ton of p239 slides on ebay>holy fuck there are tons of themWhere'd the rest of the gun go!?
>>65368423>>65368702Also what the heck is that thing sticking down from the magwell? Magazine disconnect? Mine doesn't have that
>>65368731Production capacity certainly didn't go into the mags. Look at those prices before you buy one.
>>65368702Surprising, didn't expect anyone else to own one. In my case the first 50-100 shots after cleaning work fine and then all kinds of fucky stuff starts happening. Casings get stuck and I have to fiddle it out with a knife. The bolt carrier doesn't fully go into battery and has to be forced. After the last shot the magazine ejects itself and jumps out by a few mm. Feeding the first bullet doesn't work and I need to play around with the bolt so it aligns properly in the mag and gets fed. When loading a considerable resistance can be felt and ammo has to be manually pushed into the chamber. Other times the primer doesn't ignite. Tried the three most common types of ammo around here, settled for CCI Blazer as it allowed me to at least have some fun before the trouble starts.I tried screwing the charging handles in less tight but that helped little if at all. Most likely I just don't clean it properly, never had it disassembled completely. I only remove the casing and bolt carrier, cover everything in oil, scrub and dry. Light coat of oil on the barrel and bolt carrier. That's what the manual states but I guess that's not enough. I tried taking out the roller pin fixing the firing pin for cleaning but couldn't get it out.After how many shots does yours start to show any of those issues if at all? Any tips on how to clean / oil it properly?
>>65368753I don't understand what you're referring to. There's only the extended mag release and the spring loaded piston that pushes out the mag. I can find both of them in your pic.
>>65368269Shield plus has a much better trigger. Cc9 has slightly better recoil control. They are essentially the same physical dimensions. Shield has that grittier feel on the grip and cause some discomfort if you carry it close to the skin. Shield mags are cheaper and you can even find the package deal right now that comes with a range bag and 6 mags for the same price as the base model with just 3 mags. I love my shield plus but I don't carry it as much as even my g19. My cc9 sits in my desk drawer longing for the day that I remember it is there before I go to work. You might also consider the sigger 365X which is roughly equivalent to the cc9 and shield plus
>>65368790It sounds like there's a serious dimensional problem with the chamber. You're describing classic chamber face deformation which is common in some models of .22 when dry firing excessively, but the SP22 has a design that should prevent that from happening at all (pic related, the top half of the firing pin tip impacts the breech face well above the chamber). In those susceptible designs, a burr can get pushed down into the chamber opening and it will grab brass going in and coming out, causing almost all of the problems you laid out. But I can't believe that's happening unless the gun is damaged. Can you take a pic of the breech face like pic related?I have cleaned the gun twice but I don't shoot it that much. Cleaning shouldn't be an issue, the only place I see cleaning help my .22s is after a few hundred rounds of suppressor use, and only on a select few guns. I have never had any of those problems.
>>65368802This thing. My gun does not have this thing, but there is an empty channel inside the grip frame where whatever it is might go
>>65368487PDP fren
>>65368840Pic also related (it's my Walther SP22 M3 pistol which does not possess the thing)
My fab 5:>S&W 686>H&K USP 40>Glock 19 Gen 4>Beretta M9>Sig P226 MK25
>>65367828Picked up an RIA 1911 today for cheap.
>>65368864Did your cat like it?
>>65368862excellent lineup>>65368864looks just like my former cat (rip)
>>65368878I love my cat, she'll be 6 years old next month
>>65368840>>65368846That's the spring loaded magazine ejector. Parts 30 & 34 in picrel.>>65368702The plastic part between wrench and allen key.Thank you for the explanation and help. I'll take a pic of the breech tomorrow, it's getting late.
>>65368870He seems to be Happy with it.
>>65368864I'd take RIA strikerslop over a glonk
>>65368898$200 and certainly more fun than a glawck.
>>65368911Huh, for $200 I'd take a risk. I buy beat to shit guns at auction for $200 all the damn time.
>>65368898What is RIA strikerslop?
Well my cat doesn't give a fuck
>>65368955https://www.armscor.com/firearms-list/stk100ultra
>>65368968Shrug, this thing is a beast. Lubed and cleaned real good, it doesn't give a fuck what ammo is in it.
>>65368965I'd say not, he seems to be screaming mid picture.
>>65368406Maybe that is why he is so broke?
>>65368880Ah interesting. I guess the previous owner took that out, it was in the parts bag that came with the gun which I dumped out for that pic, I thought it was a sight tool or something. Mags jump out just fine without itI hope we can correct the problem with your SP22 anon
>>65368989It was piercing.
>>65368614Grills with guns (GWG) is part of board culture, anon. Way she goes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯>>65368628>>65368630Wielding a pistol is unnatural to a woman as throwing a first, that's just the biomechanical reality of sexual dimorphism.>SEAL modelNeat!>>65368632>fails from the lowest percentile of shootersWell, Glock discontinued the 17 so I guess you must be right.>>65368633Females with androgynous hands and voices are more common than you think (vid rel).
>>65369086>first
>>65368564>>65368561>I have seen nothing but positive reports on them, Ben Stoeger's 10k round review.>https://youtu.be/0JLf-19t_a0 [Embed]The duality of manhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUUCGLkF2UQ
>>65369109>an older video from the same guy about things they already fixed after this video only one poster could be this stupid
>>65369112>>an older video from the same guy about things they already fixed after this video>only one poster could be this stupidYeah, it's "older" by like three fucking weeks. It's not like he spent a year with the gun and changed his mind about it.
>>65369092
>>65369131The two issues>safety hotspot>optic platethe new video>the new safety sent to him>aftermarket/OEM optic's platetalks about how they've been very receptive to customer input and how he likes it more than his staccatos. Kimber's site has 3 different brands of optic plates to choose from. His only complaint: guide rod which is completely subjective in 3 weeks he puts down probably 6k rounds going by 100,000 per year / 52 weeks. The second video at 10k rounds. that is more rounds then pastebin shoots in a decade shoot yourself
>tfw no idiot gf to muzzle sweep mewhy live
>>65368864Is that an officer model?
65369086You're a troll shitposting "women" because it's some bullshit fetish of yours. Leave the politics out of the gun posting. >>65369148Kimber seems like they're wanting a bigger piece of the 1911 pie recently which is good for consumers >>65369161ND waiting to happen
>>65369240>tfw no idiot gf to ND into
Excited to pick up my shield plus in a few days. I've only had a cz75 with a dot so far, interested to see how the striker polymer gun fares. At least it'll be much lighter and more carryable.
One week left to shoot the target of the month. Don't let the redcoats win!
>>65368269At 7 yards my second group on this diamond was one hole with a rental cc9. I fucking loved the way it shot, I loved the trigger, I loved the rubberized feel of the grip that feels like a hogue overmolded grip. I just HATE the way it looks. It's unfortunate that it may be the best micro compact I've handled.
>>65369256I've read the cc9 has a good trigger, the lack of paddles is keeping me from picking it up
>>65369265Funny enough the lack of a button option is whats really keeping me from the VP9cc. Different strokes and all that. I've shot literally every micro compact except the mossberg, CSX-E, VP9CC, and Mako (did finger fuck it though and it SUCKED) and I think the ugliest is the cc9 and unfortunately the one I shot the best is also the cc9
good morning saars
>>65369254TYFYS>>65368862>fab 5>all duty and service pistols.Interesting choice.>>65368730Might be a trick of the lighting but those roll marks look too shallow.>>65369148>thinking about me while arguing with someone elseTsundere ahh mf>>65369240>fetish of yoursDumbest theory yet. Several anons favour pistol GWG vireos especially the Nihonjin editions.>Leave the politics outYou brought in politics with your agenda for bans and confiscations, expect resistance.>>65369248>interested to see how the striker polymer gun faresIt's going to be an unpleasant experience from the harsher recoil impulse to the spongey trigger especially if you're accustomed to the CZ-75.
>>65369274>It's going to be an unpleasant experienceThat doesn't bode well...If I find that it affects my shooting too much I might have to just suck it up and carry the big cz
>>65369271whyd he do that?
>>65369270I would probably prefer the cc9 if I learned on button mag release, all my pistol training has been with paddles though. I read people that liked the cc9 trigger and general feel have liked the vp9cc
>>65369284he lifts weights so he thinks his izzat makes him bulletproof probably
>>65367852I don't have a problem with you for being European. If anybody does, it's just messing around.
>>65369274No one wants to repeatedly watch smelly cringe cosplayer egirls shoot guns extremely badly
>>65367828>>65367925>the continuation of hollowing out any subgroup for money
>>65369296Yup thanks brother
>>65367828>00:12FLINCH
>>65367828Why is a vtuber the OP? You guys don't have standards in /hg/?
>>65369313We have a resident troll
>>65369271>-1000 izzat and jungo
>>65369314>We have a resident trollThere is one in every general. I don't know how to deal with it, but the shit has to be policed.
>>65369316He evades bans through mass replies but the entire gen hates it. It's shitty. Sometimes you get really good pistol conversation in here but other it's just PB thread shitting
>>65369316it actually tends to be the same guy in multiple threads doing it, this guy also shat up /ak/ and /arg/.
>>65369282The troll has no experience with either gun. A Shield 2.0's trigger is already better than a stock 75's single action, the Plus is moreso. You already knew a smaller lighter gun wouldn't be as soft to shoot but Shields are remarkably tame for the size bracketDon't give it attention. Remember, see a wall post, make like a ghost>>65369316Don't feed the trolls, it's a rule as old as time for good reason
>>65369317>>65369322>>65369329There are at least one in /ccg/ and dbt/ each. You guys in /hg/ have your own breed.
>>65369329das a neat gun
If given the choice between Pastebin, the resident fucking terrible shooter, and the pseudointellectual cerakote 509 guy who rents guns for 25 rounds and then just regurgitates whatever anodyne opinions the Leviathan tribe have about xyz gun, I actually choose Pastebin. At least Pastebin isn’t a liberal (though he may very well be brown).
>>65369340pastebin’s particular brand of extremely abrasive retarded autism is actually intriguing to meit reminds me of when I used to argue with chris-chan
>>65369340Is 509 guy a LIBTARD? /k/ has been buttfucked by r*dditors since ukraine kicked off.
I miss pride month, bros.
>>65369349Stop pretending to be gay. Post your bussy, poser.
You see, when Pastebin does something fucking obviously stupid, like spending an hour to make his own cardboard targets with sharpies rather than paying Amazog 25 cents for one, you can readily dismiss him as a retard, prima facie. Pastebin is like Wimp Lo from Kung Pow, he’s very obviously dumb and wrong and can be dismissed as a meme. When the pseud cerakote 509 guy just spouts whatever Fumble Shartsman or Scott Faglinski said in their last video, it doesn’t actually add anything. In fact, that sort of action only confounds people new to handguns. It’s literally picrel. Pastebin knowingly makes these threads worse, but I’m pretty sure the 509 guy thinks he’s in the right. I don’t know which is more troubling.
>>65369354I'm a transgender lesbian, therefore I am gay.
>>65369248Having a lighter gun makes a big difference for me.
>>65369329>>65369370So I'm a bit of a novice just starting to take handguns a bit more seriously. Pic is with the cz and a frankenstein'd dot at 20 yards idk the time but you can see where I let it run too fast and lost a few. I'll grab a shot timer with that shield and let it be the impetus for me to get into doing proper drills.
>>65369340509non is based
>>65369358Why say this
>be me>autistic about hearing protection in every day life>find out a .38 Special can hit 155 decibels (9mm around 140 db)>foam earplugs only knock out 33 decibels >that means your ears are still taking in 122 decibelsWell I guess it’s either time to stop shooting my revolvers and get suppressors and make sure I double up with ear pro, or stop shooting. Anons smarter than me, is my math correct? Or does it take much longer for hearing loss to occur?Like say I wear earplugs alone and only shoot 5 shots of .38 Special, is that enough to cause permanent damage? I don’t care what you guys think, I’m not looking to go deaf.
>>65369490I fired 7.62x54r 5 times with plugs and my ears were off for 8 hours then relatively normal. No change in general hearing or typical music volume I listen to. I double up now. Just double up
>>65369490>I don’t care what you guys thinkWhy ask then
>>65369439Nah, that bitch just has a high opinion of himself and his pistol with its tacky cerakote job
>>65369490>autistic about hearing protection>wasn't doubling up to begin with???
>>65369566That's alright, it's good when a man has self confidence. In his case it's pretty earned
>>65369614You sound like a faggot. You sucking his dick or something?
>>65369639Yeah, but no. I don't see the relevance of that
>>65368989Nah she's just meowing at me for more petsShe's a demanding girl
>>65368426>>65368730
>>65369344His persecution complex is furfag coded.
>>65369639
>>65369296>Girls
>>65369490decibels are logarithmic155dB is 3,000 times more sound energy than 122OSHA's PEL for sound at 115dB is 15 minutes per day, and even a full hour of agressively running drills is not likely to exceed 15 minutes of sound-time since gunshots last maybe a tenth of a second
>>65369202Yup, shorter barrel and government edition sights.
>>65369490You can't be that autistic about it if you aren't doubling up. I didn't double up one time and immediately knew I needed more. Shooting indoors kinda sucks bros.
>>65369490Literally had an AR blow my plugs out from the sheer reverb at an indoor range recently. Immediately got a pair of Walker Razor Slims and they're pretty comfy and give good protection. I will still double up sometimes with the plugs but the headphones are usually enough.
>>65370217I brought my rifle with me last week and asked them to put me as far from people as possible. They didn't have the lanes open so I ended up right next to a new shooter. All fun and games for my first 100 rounds of 9mm but then I brought out my comped AR and felt real bad.
>>65370240>then I brought out my comped AR and felt real bad.Bullshit, you were smiling
>>65370240are you one of those people that brings a 10.5 to an indoor range with something like a jmac brake?
>>65370217>>65370240Hey buddy you picked the wrong thread the rifle thread's two block down
>>65370217did the ar make you shit out your buttplug?
>>65369029>>65368833Thanks, appreciate it. Finally got around to disassembling it completely. Looks fine as far as I can tell. However it's drowning in grease so I'll properly clean it all off and apply only the minimal amount of oil where I deem necessary. Maybe that'll help.
>>65370250No it's just a 16 inch BCM with their comp mod 0 that came on it. It's not like a crazy 2 chamber brake but it's shockingly loud for something that looks like an A2 birdcage.>>65370247I mean I was because it's the first time I've shot my AR in about a year but I felt bad when I saw them peaking around the baracade with wide eyes.
>>65370217>blow my plugs outThen you didn't have them in in the first place.
>>65369296Truke
>>65367828I suppose nowhere is safe from vtuber tumor anymore
It's truly incredible how different things were
>>65370371i genuinely don't get itwhy would anyone find the act of watching some mid terminally-online gamergirl marionette someone's fanart engaging?
>>65370254post guns
>>65370377Dawg I still don't get how people watch 4+ hours of some random streamer every goddamn day. The fact that they do it but it's a fake person is inconceivable to me.
>>65370270That looks like something, if it's not just grease. If that's a burr it could be snagging the extractor on the way in or out.Also>greaseDefinitely clean all that off everywhere and use a decent oil instead. Gummy grease causes too much drag especially with low velocity low power stuff like .22, that could also be the problem. Low bolt velocity due to grease
>>65369692
>>65370395i talked to some zoomer about it IRL and he was like "i mean it's like watching a streamer but it's also really engaging because they're like an anime girl and they rig the models really well so like they also build a community around it and stuff" and it made me want to kill myself
should i get a 1911 or a hk usp as my .45? only gonna get one .45 pistol
>>65370523USP by farif you have to ask whether you should buy a 1911 or something else, buy the something else. if you wanted a 1911 you'd buy a 1911
>>65370525in my budget i can only pick one right now, might get the other later, maybe a year or two later because of the costbut i actually want both of course
>>65370523Kimber Warrior DS .45, 5 inch 2011 in .45 ACP. One anon has one, still haven’t seen a range report for it yet. You could caliber convert it to 9mm with a new slide and barrel down the line.
>>65370109I thought immediate damage occurred at like 120 decibels though.
>>65370535WHATI CANT HEAR YOU
>>65370535It absolutely does. Don't listen to that stupid tripfag. If he were smart, he wouldn't be using a trip when he has no reason to.
Never not doubling up
>>65370532Check out the HK45, it’s a little of both (though much more USP than 1911)
>>65370535I do IH, OSHA and MSHA PELs for noise are wildly out of date. Look at the ACGIH for what the state of the industry says it should be and weep for all the people going deaf. dB's are logarithmic, so sometimes I'll get a dose below action level that ACGIH would consider beyond 100% of a dose. Anything over 140 is straight up unacceptable, but 120 is probably a wiser limit to prevent the EEEE.
>universal self-loading pistol
>>65370558With ear pro? Dude, I always do and I have tinnitus anyway.
>>65370573>self loathing pistolFinally a gun for me
>>65370574Skill issue I guess idk
>>65370616You really don't have tinnitus at all? I can't even imagine not having it anymore. You guys don't have ears ringing all the time?
>>65370624I really don't. I shoot the vast majority of my rounds at outdoor ranges and I always double up. Mostly just shoot 9mm, 22lr, sometimes 556 and 12ga but not often. I wear ear pro whenever I'm using power tools or snowblowing, I don't go to concerts but I would wear foamies if I did etc etc
>>65370624Are you putting your ear pro in correctly? Plugs should be rolled up and the other hand should come up and pull the top part of your ear up to open the canal while the other inserts.
>>65370632Wow. I don't really think about it, but. My ears are always ringing. Constantly. It's normal for me. I can actually hear very well, though
>>65370637Yeah dude, I shove in foamies and then put on my electronic ear pro.
>>65370637See pic, shouldve put in original post
>>65370624nta but I do. I’ve had it for as long as I can remember. I typically just wear plugs, but man it really sucks it’s so loud. I had no idea for the longest time you can STILL mess up your ears even when using plugs alone.
>>65370624i have tinnitus from some dickhead blowing an airhorn directly into my right ear from six inches away when I was 14I don't understand how people don't double up. I shoot matches all the time and using just foamies is still absolutely unpleasant, bordering on unbearable if it's an indoor range
>>65370644>buy one of those premolded ones>excavate ear wax after shootingBASED and WAXPILLED
why hasn't glock made more gen 6 models yet? still only the basic 9mm available still
>>65370665They won’t make any other calibers again
>>65370665>why hasn't glock made more gen 6 models yet?Because the etchalon solved the strikerslop problem
>>65370659I personally prefer the foam, i find the premolded uncomfortable. But yeah, plugs under muffs always. Had a guy next to me with a muzzle braked ar one day when i forgot muffs and it rang my ears through the plugs. Not a fan.
>>65370650>>65370652Can you concentrate and make the tinnitus louder like I can?>>65370659lol I'm the USP guy and I need to blast out the ear wax in my left ear tonight or something
>>65370668They might make a Glock 20/21 gen 6 at some point, but everything else is gone, yeah
>>65370676Sorry, when I said I had no idea it’s so loud, I meant gunshots.As for the tinnitus, I hear it, but to be honest most of the time I don’t really notice it unless I focus on it or it’s quiet around.
>>65370686Well I can hear and see well, so I'm not complaining, but my seeing is starting to not get as good...
>>65370652Doubling up can be very uncomfortable. I bought those mold it yourself ear plugs and they still end up being uncomfortable, and people tend to less accepting of temporary discomfort even if it means long term harm.
>>65370523The USP is the only correct option here. Absolutely reliable and built like tanks.
Posting a P2000 as this is now an H&K supremacy thread apparently.>>65369302>FLINCHErm, ackchyually– that's muzzle return dip™ as described by practical shooting Grand Wizard and documented pistol instructor for spec ops, Ben Stoeger. Just ask PX4 anon, he'd tell you all about it.>>65369296https://youtu.be/ti9bzNWWTDY>>65370523From what I've read, a good 1911 will cost the same as a USP45 but the magazines will have inferior capacity and be more likely to malfunction. Turkish cloons cost less of course but if money were a concern then you would be opting for something striker fired and chambered for 9x19 instead.>>65369298Seems women are predatory in that way, doesn't it?>>65369356Wimp Lo didn't realise he was being purposefully trained wrong as a joke but I immediately recognised this spiel >>65355054 about hooking your thumbs (revolver grip) for the jive it is.>>65369340The race riots were the reality check for me. LOLberts are useful idiots competing for a Darwin Award AFAIAC.>>65370665Because 9mm Parabellum won the calibre war so pistols chambered in this constitute actual sales volume.>>65370644My ear canals are too narrow so I plug them with two 9x19 cartridges whenever I can get away with it.>>65369344I thought you were new because of the trip.
>>65370720https://i.4cdn.org/k/1785147814931471.png
>>65370721>Posting a P2000 as this is now an H&K supremacy thread apparently.
>>65370767>2000 was 26 years ago
>>65370767Interesting how the slide catch and disassembly lever are the same piece.
>>65370721>>65370798what is this virtual tranny shit
>>65370767If we must
>>65370822he permanently has "this is my sleepover so I choose the movie" syndrome, but doesn't realize that it's not his sleepover>well it's firearms related because there's a gunwill be the inevitable reply
>>65368369You live around Detroit too anon?>>65370523USP
>>65370721>Erm, ackchyually– that's muzzle return dip™ as described by practical shooting Grand Wizard and documented pistol instructor for spec ops, Ben Stoeger. Just ask PX4 anon, he'd tell you all about it.another instance of pastebin knowing NOTHING about shootinghttps://youtu.be/EeXxmmkSkSgkill yourself you pathetic waste of space
>>65370822Trannies think about trannies all the time. I lost my best friend to it. She pretended to have ADHD and pretended she didn't have 60 seconds to say a word to me after we talked to each other every day for 6 years
>>65370841is pantybin skinwalking as someone else (in this case, a literal troon) again?
Let me guess, hes not into vtubers or troons like hes not a furfag, he just posts vtubers troons and furry art because he thinks others like it. This is gayer than weednigger posting black on tranny porn.
>>65370907Who? I would argue that subposting like that without responding to anyone is incredibly gay.
Update on >>65367807Yep, I was right in my assumption. It's got a switch. I think I'll pass on that since I don't have a 07
>>65370997Lurk more
>>65370827You ever rock .45 Super in the Mk. 23?
>>65371007Incredibly, incredibly gay.
>>65371012If not, he needs to. Reminder that .45smc is basically the same as Super aside from a different primer.
>>65371014Keep crying then newfag.
**I move away from the gun to not dieNOT ONE DETONATION CAN YOU BALEVE IT
>>65371017You're right, I haven't been here in quite a while, I'm just messing with you. What's up?
200 rounds with no feed, extract, or explosion failures. Lots of FTFires though because light hammer spring, that's not newAlso I'm pretty sure those marks were not there before I fired the first shot... though I cannot imagine how they got there or why they wouldn't get worse
>>65371024until it doesn't, then it's Chocolate Rain (in your pants)
>>65371036lol
>>65371040>bubba'd 92 outgrouping pantybinLMAO
>>65371012Not yet, have always wanted to though. I have a chest holster for woods larp if I ever did get some supers or as >>65371015 said, some smc. +P 185gr is super fun out if it though.
>>65370767>H&K supremacy threadPost the pic, Burt
>>65371057>H&K supremacy thread*burp* is that what we're doing now?
Burt it's getting worse you have to post the pic. I don't have it.
no one ever thinks my pre-ban shit that I could turn full-auto legally is cool
Unghh. I didn't do it.
>>65371091How about you take better care of your shit?>Tripfagyou've always ignored me before, what do I care
>>65371091HS2000 enjoyer here, I don't have the machining marks like that, but I do have the mold line (it's over, XD has fallen)
The usp9 should be a 20 round standard mag for how big it is
>>65371150VP9 20 rounders are so solid. Not saying they work in the usp I just like them.
The Beretta 94X Performance First prices are $1,836.57 from an EU shop, the standard model seems to be nistan finish. The launch edition with the black/grey "graphite grey" (cerakote?) is 2070. https://www.krale.shop/us/beretta-94x-performance/https://www.krale.shop/us/beretta-94x-performance-launch-edition/
>>65371150Wtf are you on about making up something like that. The more rounds you have in the magazine, the more heavy it is.
>>65371163just buy a normal 92fs, jesusif you're going to drop $2,000 on a fucking beretta at least get one of the LTTs which leaves you $500 for an optic>>65371150the USP is not really that big of a gun
>>65371163Who?
>>65371169>just buy a normal 92fs, jesus>if you're going to drop $2,000 on a fucking beretta at least get one of the LTTs which leaves you $500 for an optichttps://youtu.be/Mg_dU2qq1ecthe normal 92FS doesn't talk to you, this one has an AI companion app
>>65371166thats why you use 50-60gr bullets. i shaved almost a pound of my 365flux thanks to light bullets.
>>65371185lol, did I post that?
>>65371185Yeah but the trade off is basically you will get mixed results unless you're magdumping up close on a guy in a t shirt.
>>65371163What an ugly fucking gun. I think the 92 has finally run its course.
>>65371199It is the ultimate form of the 92. Imagine it. Full steel frame. Flush fit 20 round mags. The optic cut is allegedly 3mm lower than the last one so it should be on par with the LTT optic cut but with the advantage of fixed irons.
>>65371199Nice bait
>>65371213brother that gun is fuck ugly it's the worst thing to happen to something beautiful since ellen pagei can't wait for all the redditors to get bored of uspsa so manufacturers can stop making all of this awful-looking racegun shit that would never be carried concealed by someone in a million years
>>65371220You haven't posted a single gun, shut up tripfag.
>>65370895Yep
>>65371071it cute
>>65371222suck my dick
>>65371232Whoa nigga! Take your finger off the trigger!
>>65371235i was in the middle of my daily recreational .500s&w home office wet-fire practice
>>65371163I can see why they'd do it, as my pinky barely fits on the 92x grip, but I feel like a pinky extension baseplate accomplishes about the same thing
>>65371242Ohh, yeah yeah. Word.
>>65370822Leaflit is female and can shoot a steel silhouette at distance with a Springfield Hellcat singlehandedly (videoed). Might not be the 50 yards she described on InstaGram but it's certainly not nothing!https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1785185015921920.mp4>>65370837The precedent was set by Beretta PX4 anon et al with doujinshi and gravure photos in /hg/.>>65370841>post-ignition push™Aight, thanks for the reaction image.>>65371001>It's got a switchEven if you had a Federal Firearms License 07 and paid the Special Occupational Tax 02, you still wouldn't be allowed to transfer that because the seller doesn't either. >>65370997>posting like that without responding to anyoneIt's passive aggressive and effeminate indeed.>>65371088>could turn full-auto legallyIf it's not already select fire or a machine weapon otherwise then that would be a post-sample if you did the conversion today. The only other type of "pre-ban" are non-machine weapons permitted in states where existing units weren't confiscated.
>>65371268the trannies you lust after don't even know you exist trannybin
>>65371270Kek
>>65371268Nevermind... forget it.
>>65371270I do not lust for Leaflit nor any of the live streamers posted herein. >don't even know you existGood, wouldn't want them knowing about how abrasive I used to be.>>65371280Forget the post about the pre-ban presumed H&K SP5 or the post-ban Glock pistol with the sear cam module? It'll be easy to forget since you didn't specify ^~^
>>65369490>>65370211I always hear about doubling up but seemed entirely unnecessary for me as I always shoot outside. I guess the reason a lot of people have to is because of indoor ranges? Or am I just unknowingly giving myself hearing damage? Really doesn't feel like it
I'll never go back to irons bros.
>>65371150>muh fuggen hueg uspIt's not. Have you even held one? Where does this stupid meme come from? It's shorter in length and height than a Glock 17 and smaller in length, height and width than a P226. How tiny are your hands?
>>65371301you… buy vtuber merch?christ, anon>>65371314Yes and noWhen I RSO at matches, any rifle shooting has me doubling up, it’s baffling that people will voluntarily subject themselves to 5.56 without double ear pro9mm ain’t so bad though
>>65371317Seriously my first handgun optic opened up the 7th realm. I was blown away by how much better it is than irons, even with my astig cope
ALWAYS double up when shooting any gun unsupressed. >foam in ear>earpro on the outsideor>earpro inside>earmuffs on the outsideIf you don't, especially if you shoot indoors, you're damaging your ears.
>>65371317Nice
What are the chances of the 92X Performance getting cheaper once the 94X drops? I have been looking at one in my cart at $899 for a couple of days. I want to get it but i'm not too sure.
>>65371344I tend to stick a little foam ear thing into my urethra. It sounds weird but when the vibrations happen and I don’t have the foam in my neovag starts swelling and leaking pus.
>>65371357899 is the blow out price, they used to be 1200+, I paid 1000 for so for a used one.
>>65371301>vtuber merch?Never, that image is from her IG https://www.instagram.com/p/CnAw4CtLD1a/Though some chronic baiter is going to quip that I wouldn't be able to afford it or something.
>>65371331nta, but question- I’m the .38 anon from earlier. If I just wore earplugs (no doubles) outdoors, is that not near as bad?
>>65371367It's more like 980 after tax but I'm still not sure if it'd go lower. I wish I grabbed it when they did the rebate.
>>65371232Imagine shooting that thing indoors at a home intruder without ear pro.
>>65371375NTA. not as bad since there is no wall or ceiling to reverb the sound, at the muzzle shit is loud but at the shooter's ear it's not as bad. When people measure gunshots they tend to do it at the muzzle and not the shooter's ear. revolvers are louder due to the cylinder gap at peak pressure I still double up outdoors
>>65371381Well listen man. The rebate is gone and it is never coming back. You either get it now or you never do. Lock the fuck in.
>>65371392>>65371381>92Get the fuckin gun
>>65371369Meant for >>65371331
>>65371375I mean, if you are worried, it costs almost nothing to double upRealistically proper earplugs are probably good enough for 38spl, but it varies between plugsI don’t double up for pistol matches generally because they are all usually quiet enough that I leave the match hearing just fine without my tinnitus acting up>>65371382My plan is to avoid having to talk to the police until I have a lawyer by screaming “WHAT?!” At them repeatedly
Was in the mood to buy a new DA/SA gun and since I don't own a P226, I was looking last night on GBFound this listing the MINUTE after it ended. I am beyond livid, I would have gone much higherhttps://www.gunbroker.com/item/1190047634
>>65370640i do have that too, sometimes tinnitus is not caused by a damaged ear cannal but by bones or some other shit going on in the brain, in rare case it can be a muscle causing it.some anons kept saying that doubling up will do the job but actually no, they are still at risk, the shockwave of each detonation from a firearm make the inner part of your ears shake and that also can cause tinnitus, now am i saying that doubling up won't do shit? no, but instead of dealing with EEEEEEEEE you'll have to deal with eeeeeeeeeee.oh and, that's my words for indoor ranges, for outdoor there's no need to double up unless your next to artillery or .50BMG and don't be concerned about the shockwaves either.
>>65371391>>65371407Very informative, thank you anons.I will double up from now on, but that does make me feel a LOT better. Someday I want to get one of those microphones to measure sounds that concern me so I can better protect my ears.I love .38 special.
>>65371344The only change I make is indoors I wear foamies under earpro, outdoors I'll go with the slightly less effective concert earplugs because usually when I'm shooting outside I need to talk to people (matches, friends on the farm, etc) and they sound better that way.
>>65371407>My plan is to avoid having to talk to the police until I have a lawyer by screaming “WHAT?!” At them repeatedlyThis is actually a solid plan and I see no possible flaws
>>65371438Don't get too tilted, it looks like buddy Flitzed 80% of the finish off the slide, possibly because it had been rusted to oblivionThough now I look closer it's in CA, presumably some of the frustration is over roster shenanigans? But think about this, whoever win it was probably more happy to get it than you are mad to lose it, so the total happiness in the world increased
>>65371502>whoever win it was probably more happy to get it than you are mad to lose it, so the total happiness in the world increasedbased and hopepilled
>>65371502I dunno, I can get pretty fucking angry But thank you for helping me not feel like I just had a fumble of the century
>>65371367>>65371392>>65371394I bought...
>>65371580he bought?
>>65371580>>65371583>DOMP EEET
>>65370512Future looking rather bleak when there is a sizable chunk of people unironically saying this as if it's some kind of a good thing
>>65371580Patriot. Post pics when received
>>65371268No shit Sherlock
>>65370532Don't check out the hk45 it's neither of those guns so you won't be happy.
>>65371656and what super cool and not cringe shit did you do as a kid?
>>65370395It's a surrogate to friends.
>>65371944I can understand that, people are lonely nowadays (that includes us)
would anyone notice if I brought a cap and ball revolver to a concealed carry class
>>65371163>First prices are $1,836.57
>>65371744Incidentally, there's auto reset adapters that look similar now (camming the sear forward vs downward is the technical distinction from automatic fire) so what you saw might not have been a conventional switch.>>65370395You only have to watch five minutes per stream to rack up hundreds of channel points. You could also have a stream running on an old phone overnight or in the background of your current device hidden and muted, kek.
Went to the range today. This happened to me a few times. Blew the magazine right out of the gun.
>>65372249What gun?
>>65372249Where'd you get the bullets? What gun? If this is a Glock unsupported chamber meme I'm gonna say mean things to pastebin.
Took a few correction targets to gather some information on why I keep hitting low-right. Honestly, some of the best groups I've shot.
>>65372251>>65372252VZ.82Hungarian surplus made of this guns polygonally rifles barrel. They sintered iron to create a 71 grain bullet that moves way faster than a normal Soviet 9x18 Mak. Pic related, the gun and bullets. The MFS box with black text.
Tried to do this months qualifier too. I'm pretty embarrassed by the VZ.52 attempt. I cannot believe I failed to hit the big target at all.
>>65372273A valient effort with some shitstols
>>65372273Better picture
>>65372267Dang I want one of those. My first guess is that ammo.
>>65372288It's absolutely that ammo. The reviews that popped up after I bought it were saying that the cases were rupturing and the it was dangerous ammo. Shooting it sprays a bunch of particles backwards into my face and it's really unpleasant. That mesko stuff was dirty, but it wasn't spraying me in the face with hot unburnt powder.
>>65372274Thanks. The Grand Power P40L shocked me because the few times I have shot it I shot it pretty well. To see so few hits is very disappointing.
>>65372249>>65372267>>65372299Holy smokes. Glad you're uninjured. I guess I'm a pussy I stop shooting if even peppered by particularly stingy suppressor detritus. If a case ruptured in my hand I don't have the stones to shoot that gun againPicture related. It's a gun that blowed up once and I said hell no
>>65372328That's Because you're not retarded and know better than to shoot dangerous ammo. My retarded ass has ten more boxes that I don't want to not use because of the sunk cost fallacy.
>>65372352You need to have a bolt or lever action 9mm rechambered for 9mmMak
>>65371301>H&K SP5It is not an SP5, it is an SP89 >>65371071I don't know anything about the legal process, but I could legally make it a machine gun. Same as my HK93. I'm not going to, though. Can you imagine how expensive that would be just for the ammo?
>>65372384I never even considered that as an option. That sounds just like the silly shit I'm into.
Warning for the ds warrior and earlier 2k11 models. While the gun itself is 100% fine, the optic cover plate on the gun which is aggressively lock-tighted in. Had a fun time getting the optic cover off.
need adjustable sights or are fixed ok for you?
>>653723283 years ago I got one bad case of federal 9mm. Rounds were going off and ejecting fine and the brass looked good, but it kept spitting unburnt powder in my face for some reason. Happened with every gun I fired it in. I only trust the Koreans and the Czechs for range ammo now.
>>65372273>>65372287added
>sig factory caught on fire and sent someone to the hospital Kek
>americans buy german sig>sig becomes shitwhat was the fucking point if you were gonna make it worse
>Eurocuck seething over his own misperceptionsMany such cases!>>65372396>make it a machine gunYou must be referring to the installation of a pre-ban auto sear.>Can you imagine how expensive that would be just for the ammo?There's the option of selling the HK93 and SP-89 to purchase an SP5, a "super safety" along with 9x19 to feed it.
>>65371369Well you cant.
>>65372954This is an indicator of fucking huge problems lmao. This should not be happening in a first world manufacturing plant.
>>65373302Probably moisture related.
>>65373335Since the explosion happened at the machines, my bet is neglect in one form or another. Either: A) The operators weren't cleaning them as frequently as they should've been and let the dust build up in/around the machineryB) Dust extraction was clogged, undersized or otherwise fucked upBoth indicate that neither the managers, supervisors, or the floor guys give a fuck about maintaining a safe work environment around an EXTREMELY hazardous industrial process.Owning nu-SIG is an indicator of low intelligence and weak character.
>>65373335>>65373379>sell a gun that negligently discharges>say you're going to adjust your parts and manufacturing so it doesn't happen again>your manufacturing equipment negligently discharges
I wonder if they made a desk guy in charge of a line and operators. Ive seen that before and it never goes well.
>>65372984It's litterally because of the CEO. It's the same CEO that nearly ran kimber into the ground
>>65370523Depends, you can go for a USP 40 if you get a 1911But you're better off with a USP45
>>65367828I love my P Series but am also a big fan of Steyr so I’ll take this.
>>65373551Is it out yet?
>>65373551is that an aug?
>>65373569It's been out.
>>65372812Sellier&Bellot is my preferred ammo manufacturer. Recently found ten boxes of their 9x18 Makarov ammunition and against my better judgement, took the MFS box to the range instead. I only wish they made more powerful 10mm auto ammo, but they aren't the only ones underloading 10mm.
>>65373578We’re talking about the Steyr not that homo gun https://steyr-arms.us/firearms/handguns/
>>65373133As I had suspected you would quip.
>>65373604No one actually wants full power 10mm 1100-1200 180 gr is perfect
>troonbin only thinks 1 person calls him poor
>Cuck state that only allows you 1 handgun every 30 days>Coming up on my 30 day markSorry for the blog post, I'm just excited I can add another one to the collection.
>>65373607AREX's parent company bought Steyr and slapped the Steyr name in it so they could charge more. It's the same gun.https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2024/04/24/arex-steyr-now-owned-czech-rsbc-investment-group/
u guys need to see the niggers on youtube shorts that has 10mm glocks with switcheslmaooo
>>65373610You're probably right, my Grand Power P40L qualifying attempt was atrocious,even with S&B 10mm. What's the point of owning a 10mm if it's basically .40 shitty&weak though?
>>65373609But Im not wrong
>>65373621What are you considering?
>>65373642But you are predictable.
>>65373637.40 S&W is still more powerful than 9mm and people stopped shooting it because it was harder to shoot than 9mm. 180gr 1100 FPS is still at least 100 FPS faster than .40 S&W loads Magtech 10mm is a little bit more powerful than S&B but the same price.
>>65373649Haven't tried magtech yet, but I do like fiocchi 10mm. It definitely feels like it recoils harder, but shoots much straighter. I think I convinced myself that S&B and Magtech were the same because they are both owned by CSG.
>>65373607
>>65373649>.40 S&W is still more powerful than 9mmThat amounts to a tenth of an inch greater average expansion which isn't enough of a difference to make a difference.
>>65373607Jesus Christ dawg couldn't you even look at the picture of the thing?
>>65373707The Arex is the poor people gun. The Steyr is the premium firearm
>>65373646Only because you are sadly.
>>65373649>40 S&W is still more powerful than 9mmbarely >and people stopped shooting it because it was harder to shoot than 9mmpeople stopped shooting it because it sucks. the only reason it hung around for as long as it did is because of police departments and USPSA power factor shitrunning a 2-3 round deficit out of a standard size magazine for what is essentially the same power as normal modern 9mm is just retarded
New thread >>65373821>>65373821>>65373821>>65373821>>65373821
>>65372142Naw man, this nigga has a legit "switch". I trust the guy, but f that I'm not trying to catch a federal case
>>65374021Fair, wouldn't be the first time the feds coerced an ethno separatist into an informant.
