Reject striker; embrace DA/SA EditionGuide: https://files.catbox.moe/9g5sv2.pdfPastebin: https://pastebin.com/gs6mLNikOld: >>65464566
>>65470618>Reject strikerI wish I knew how to quit striker...
>>65470618Hell yeah
>>65470618What gun would you give you kids to defend themselves from thier mom with the baby blues?
All my pistols are hammer fired and I'm thinking about getting a striker just to have one. Mossberg MC2C looks kinda nice but is discontinued. GP Q100 piqued my interest because the rotating barrel.
>>65470646Get the vp9
>>65470618Anyone have suggestions on a dao gun?I dunno if I want one or just want the idea of one
>>65470646Get a Walther P99 or PDP and thank me with a Christmas card >>65470653There is zero reason to get a DAO when DA/SA exists
>>65470653If you can find one, then the SIG P250 was genuinely a good DAO gun with all the same modularity of the P320 that was based on it but without the spontaneous dischargesAlso, LEM HK guns
>>65470653KelTec P32
>>65470646Glock 20
>>65470618>embrace DA/SA EditionHK may be super autistic and generally overpriced, but dog bless their silly kraut hearts for giving nearly their entire handgun catalog DA/SA options.
Should I get a USP compact...
>>65470618DAO is based, safety ALWAYS off.>>65470653Im a fan of my Berreta PX4 Storm DAO and Ruger P94 DAO. Got good triggers and are chunky enough to club a head in. Cant find myself going back to SA/DA.
How does the experience differ shooting a 45 colt versus a 44 magnum?I have a big iron 45, but sometimes I wonder if I’d like shooting a 44 magnum. Am I bi caliber curious?
>>65470685They're usually nothing alike.45 Colt is comparable to .44 Special in standard loads. Some of the hot rodded loads can compare to .44 magnum, but not a lot of revolvers can handle them
>>65470694So say I have a Pietta SAA clone. What’s the hottest loads that could take without blowing up?
>>65470618Shalom! It is I, Fellow Da/Sa pistol!Anyone interested in any loans?
>>65470684This is quite possibly the most contrarian opinion I've ever seen in /hg/. And I've seen some pretty retarded takes over the years. For what possible reason would DAO be an advantage over DA/SA?
>>65470682Yes
>>65470714DAO being not a striker fired pistol.I got my wife a Ruger compact Security 9 and it's DAO.
>>65470734>DAONo it isn't. The slide is partially cocking the hammer on every shot. The trigger is most similar to a standard striker fired pistol. I've shot them and they have no difference of feel in the trigger than a glockIt's quite possibly the worst gun you could use as some "le pwnd" for striker fired pistols
>>65470758I guess I'm a retard.I figured the little hammer inside not being cock'able took it from a Da/Sa style to DAO but apparently not.>"le pwnd" striker pistolsMy le pwnd for strikers is my magnum .454, the first handgun I bought though day to day I prefer my jew gun as shown in>>65470709
>>65470646>VP9>Glock 17 or 19>M&P9>PDP>APX>M17Pick one and a Glock
anti-striker hate is forced and performative
>>65470782The a1 series of vp9 raised the bar for strikers
>>65470709Your Jericho is butt ugly my man
>>65470707I wouldn't use anything marked +P or "Ruger Only", but anything not marked as such should be fine. Underwood and Buffalo Bore make about the hottest standard pressure loads, but be sure not to confuse them with the really hot stuff that they also make
P30 with cda lem is all you need
>>65470794THAT'S because its ISN'T a Jericho, its a circumcised Jericho known as a Baby Eagle Mk III, or, "How I tell people I have a Desert Eagle without being able to afford a real Desert Eagle"Its in .40 Swishers&Melm
>>65470646Get the P-10C. It looks meh in pictures but the competitors will feel like nerf guns once you feel a loaded one in your hands. I shot it back to back with the VP9 and was quite surprised by how much I preferred it.
>>65470646P99
>>65470782>M17
>>65470782He may want to appendix carry so the sig is out
>>65470820P10c is lower bore and a correctly sprung. Vp9 is the very definition of "made for the military" as it is sprung for +p but without the system in the USP that makes everything soft shooting. If you get the vp9 then you will have to run something like 200rounds of 124 9mm in order to wear out the pistol enough to shoot 115 well.
I like DA/SA
DA/SA is loveDA/SA is life
>>65470830My a1 ran 115 without a malfunction during the break in period. 3k rounds now and the only malfunction I had was with a promag I was testingThe internals are factory because I like the option of running literally anything
>>65470840Very nice
>>65470714>For what possible reason would DAO be an advantage over DA/SA?Over DA/SA specifically? When you're arming rank and file cops knowing full well that most of them will put the minimum effort into the minimum training actually required to keep their job, and some of them will be just plain retarded.There's a reason, or a couple reasons really, why DAOs were taking over the LE world, right up until Glock ate their lunch by convincing everyone a 5-pound striker pull and a 10-pound DA pull were precisely interchangeable with respect to safety.1. Consistent pull means a better standard of accuracy for a given amount of training. Difference goes down rapidly with increasing training, but at the level of your average non-firearm-enthusiast cop, it's significant.2. One less way for retards to fuck up -- having a decocker means, sooner or later, somebody forgets to decock after chambering a round, then immediately ADs because they built sloppy handling habits around a DA first pull.
>>65470859The hk lem system should have been the fix. You have the same striker-like trigger normally, and if you have misfire, you just pull the DA trigger to force the round to go off. Dont know why that system didn't take off or get copied
>>65470859This argument is like saying steaks are inferior to mashed carrots because adults can eat both but babies can only eat the carrots. DAO is inferior to DA/SA in every way possible, end of story. >>65470899>Dont know why that system didn't take off or get copiedBecause DA/SA is also superior to LEM.
>>65470794>tranny Bebop gunYour Jericho will never ever be a real Cowboy Bebop gun with that rail and IWI markings.
My next striker will either be a vpa1f or glock 45.6My next hammer will be either a p30l or hk45.
>>65470899LEM is indistinguishable from DA/SA when you're actually firing and is accidentally an excellent civilian concealed carry trigger system while not really benefitting retarded cops that shoot a 45 round qual once a year. LEM is really good when you have a small pistol and holster it with your thumb on the hammer, but also want a nice single-action pull weight on the draw
Not directly handgun related but does anyone here have a favorite 9mm can for PCCs? I know it's not handgu nrelated directly but I'm getting a Sig MPX this week and I want to suppress it. I know I will need to get an adjustable gas block, that's something I have already accounted for.I was eyeing the Silencerco spectre, deadair mojave 9 and the deadair wolfman 9. I'm going to get a plan b set up for whatever can I do wind up getting because the sig 13.5x1 LH thread pitch is retarded. I'm more just curious about performance especially in their long configurations.I know I can pick up a spectre 9 locally right now for like $750, not sure about either of the dead air cans.
>>65471034I have an omega 36 on an AP5 which is overkill but it's quiet as shit and has caused no problems
>>65471048That's good to know but I don't really want a modular can for dedicated PCC use although I do like sico a lot more than deadair from a product standpoint.
>>65470985I tried anonNew steel Jerichos are pretty much nonexistent now and I couldn't even get a full size.Mines pretty much the love child of a Glock 19 and Jericho 941 full size
>thought i hated glocks>gradual glock infestation in the housewhat the fuck bros
>>65471019>LEM is indistinguishable from DA/SA We've seen you defend Lem triggers before but that statement is blatantly dishonest. The Lem reset is way too long. I understand that you really like the trigger system but you are letting your bias cloud your statements here.
I was wondering one day that if they made a 92(90two) and a USP with a polymer frame why did they never make a 226 with a polymer frame? Turns out they did and it was a flop. It does feel like a more expensive gun than it costs though
>>65471219>It does feel like a more expensive gunThe one I held creaked when I gripped it tightly. I went in fully prepared to buy it but left after that. This was before it was cool to hate sig.
>>65471191>blatantly dishonest.>The Lem reset is way too long. I understand that you really like the trigger system but you are letting your bias cloud your statements here.the LEM reset has the exact same distance of travel and feel as DA/SA (V1 vs V3S):https://files.catbox.moe/bignja.mp4which makes sense because all LEM is doing is letting the trigger out via a sear and cocking piece that releases the trigger while holding mainspring tension. it's not some hideously complicated mechanism, it's basically just DA/SA that allows the trigger to fully let out rather than being held in SA mode when cocked.
>>65470682Not unless you have a major HK boner and already have all the good USPs, like the 45, Tactical and Mark 23.
>>65471234I mean, the grip has removable parts but Jesus you must have a vise for a hand. It was only about $350 bucks and my grip didn't creak so it was worth
>>65471219The 90-Two does not have a polymer frame.The USP has only ever been offered with a polymer frame.
posed with my glock 42 on grindr and my match percentage increased substantially
really good post dudekeep it coming, you’re doing great
thanks
posed with my cz/glock/canik/beretta/hipoint/browning/springfield/hk/fuck me this post sounded a lot funnier in my head. basically i'm gay.
>>65471382Wanna go to the bathroom and buttfuck the shit out of each other?
>>65470618What a fucking ugly gun.
>>65470663>Also, LEM HK gunsThey're great but good luck finding one.
>love my 2.75" Model 69 with wood panel grips>factory 240 grain Hornady XTPs are snappy and fun to stronghand>saw someone say they gave up on a Ruger LCR, and someone else say they hated a 329PDDo I have autism or something? Why am I not feeling this apparent pain?
>>65471398You zip your WHORE mouth!
The USP 40 has Match-LEM Hybrid trigger with Match TRS (light as FUCK hence the manual safety). I also picked up a 9mm USP slide a couple years ago. Forgot the exact date code but its old enough that it has a traditional rifled barrel instead of polygonal.
>>65470837based
>>65470618There's literally nothing wrong with striker fi
>>65471105Crude mockery of Jews' creation.
So...Burt...any luck reloading ammo?
>>65471460That GRT may as well be chinese and I got discouraged so no. When I kit up and get comfortable with 9mm I'll branch out to FUK
>>65471394hell yeah brother
found this Raging Bull with a case hardened finish for $700 OTDworth?
>>65471499you okay using that ammo?i never heard of 454
>>65471517>never heard of 454
>>65471499Unless you or a friend reload then no
FYI, guysPoverty State Armory has some decent Labor Day deals going on.
>>65471557>Doesn’t like to ship to my stateFuck them
>>65471557Nothing is leaping off the page at me, pal
Anons, talk me out of getting a 44 magnum when I have a big iron in 45 colt>pic rel
For the record, the 3d printed sight pusher on eBay is trash. Not that anyone thought otherwise. I bought one just to try. Warped and cracked under pressure.
>>65471589Guess I'll make sure to get at least the Chinese pot metal variety
>>65471589The aluminum ones break. Even the steel parts break on the cheap ones. Who thought plastic could possibly workHow much was it?These ones are as cheap as $20 ($30 currently but wait) and they are serviceable
>>65471589That was never going to work out right. Even the brand name plastic ones break regularly.
>>65471589There is so much force involved in pushing a sight. This is straight up disrespectful to put this up for sale. How much did you pay for this? You can get one for like $40 this isn't expensive enough to cheap out on.
lgs has a P8A1 for $1199, should I pull the trigger? >already have USP .45, P30L, P30SK, VP9 and SP5K>wish I had stainless slide USP and a VP9SK but this p8 is calling me even if redundant>$1199 tho
>>65471589I cannot fathom using a plastic sight pusher, let alone a 3D printed one from some jeet on eBay.
>>65471602>>65471606>>65471607>>65471606Kek, i know, I know. Honestly never thought it would be of much use but it warped and cracked the frame as soon as I began tightening down the screws and there was a slight measure of resistance. It warped badly enough that i had to get an impact drill and a wrench to back the damn screws off enough for me to get my slide back out. It was a whopping $18. I left an honest review. It was exactly as described: a 3d printed product in the form of a rear sight pusher tool. Lol you get what you pay for. I'll probably grab a "real" one instead of taking the shortcut. I just get tired of going to the LGS and forking over $40 to insert the rear sight every time I build out a new glock or want to change out sites. I build new "not glock" copies frequently enough that I can justify spending $100 for a "real" sight pusher
>>65471626They were $850 online last I looked. My clams are rather steamed having paid more than that
>>65471626It's cool but I'd pass at that price. You can find a like new one for around $8-$900 somewhat easilyOr you could wait a few weeks and get one of the ODG USP Experts in .45 from Rooftop Defense for $1219 (or the ODG USP Tactical for $1559)
>>65471638The one in my pic is a "real" pusher and costs $30
>>65471626>1199 for an inverted safety lever on a uspI wouldn’t bother unless you’re a big collector
>>65471643>>65471648I know the p2000 has the many different frames. Are there any USP 45 colored frames aside from black and green?
>>65471455It shoots great, can't complain about that
>>65471643>>65471645>>65471649shit, well when I feel like throwing some dosh at a 9mm USP I'll wait for a price lower then instead or mb get that ODG or mb just get a regular USP in 9mm or mb just save my money for a house
>>65471671>save my money for a houseGood luck with that, I'm kind of at that point myself, there's only a handful of guns that I am serious about buying up in the next 12 or so months
>>65471626I wouldnt, P8A1 is the cheaper HK line up specifically made for the German military. It has conventional rifling over the polygonal and trigger feels worse than the standard USP
>>65471572But the Beretta 92FS Brigadier is $800...
>>65471652Yeah there's also tan and gray (picture in no way related)>>65471671https://www.gunbroker.com/guns-firearms/search/completed?keywords=p8a1&pagesize=48&sort=4&view=2&condition=1&timeframe=1Looks like they went up to 1kilobuck baring the odd fluke, but a LOT sold for $850 so I'd wait amd watch if I were you
>>65470618>he couldn't afford a USPHK45 is the Boxster of the HK lineup
>>65470646Glock 19, Walther P99 and HK VP9 are the only strikers worth considering, everything else is trash.
If you had to sell a new production, optics-ready, striker-fired handgun to someone who prefers DA/SA pistols, which gun would you pitch?
>>65471756I should have read more of the thread, I am ashamed.
>>65471742>less rounds>faggot finger grooves>not as indestructable>not as cool>barely cheaperWhy do people get the hk45 over usp? Rail is basically a non issue when you can easily get lights for the usp rail
>>65471727I got my 92FS Inox for $500, came with a cleaning kit, two mags and original paperwork. Now what makes the Brigadier worth $300 more?
>>65471759Ignorance, I guess
>>65471759>Why do people get the hk45 over usp?Why do people buy a Taurus G2C over a Beretta APX or LEOsurp Glock 19?because they're retarded and poor and poor because they're retarded
>>65471759the HK45C has really nice dimensions for carry and is thin for a .45As for the full size, I have no idea. It's the same size as a CZ97 at 10 rounds but has none of the cool factor.
So we already have confirmation they aren't going to fuck with the USP and make a modernized one. But where the fuck is the optics ready P30?
Glocks get pretty mad decent after you replace about half the parts
>>65471798i'm 50/50 on HK just quietly phasing it out and letting it die a quiet death like the p2000 seriesthey released two full revisions (OR, A1) of the VP9 without touching the P30 seriesI don't think I've ever seen a single US police unit using the P30 and plenty with the VP9
>>65471742>>65471759Good thing it's the 45c (really more of a .45 cal P2000), not the full size HK45 (more of a .45 cal P30L)
>>65471806My estimation of FF as a man just fucking plummeted
>>65471626I bet those mags don't even glow.
>>65471828i'm a pessimist, it's not like I want it to happenI fucking love the P30 series
>>65471638This is what I've been using on my glock. I imagine it would work on other guns too.https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09JYG8NRN
>>65470618Guys... i like to shoot bullseye.USP Expert (45) or Mark23?I've got goliath hands, so a 23 should be fine and i really dislike the bobbed hammer on the expert. Also miss me with the Elite it looks like it was stuck into a bench grinder.Am concerned about the 23's trigger however
>>65471840I wish I was shooting guns right now.
>>65471847Neither is accurate enough at 50 yards for Bullseye
>>65471847>Am concerned about the 23's trigger howeverthe mark 23's trigger smooths out after a couple hundred rounds. I know this because my mark 23 from roughly 2007 has a better trigger than the "trigger job" I got on the LTT optics cut one I have. the action and decocker mechanism is complicated as shit and there are no tutorials to taking it apart so beware of doing your own trigger job or disassembly since the last time I fully disassembled mine I was sweatingI don't know what expert you're talking about that has a bobbed hammer unless someone LEM'd itthe drawback of the MK23 is that if you don't like the sights, you're fucked unless you can find someone willing to fab or modify something like a fiber optic front sight. Also changing the elevation requires purchasing a new rear sight and installing it, versus adjustability on the USP-ExAftermarket on the USP series is pretty big, so the headroom of where the trigger can go by installing parts is pretty high with short reset kits and flatface triggers. this aftermarket does not exist for the MK23if you're using it for bullseye, you're paying $1000 extra (or $67.25 if you're burt) for features that don't contribute to bullseye shooting really at all.I'm all for doing retarded shit with expensive guns so if you buy the mk23, you have my full support
how do i filter tripfags again? new guy is insufferable
>>65471997You've been saying this for a month now
I ordered an optics cut slide. I’ll order the dot this week. It is happening.
This might be a dumb question, but what exactly does "internal hammer fired" mean? Is it just a shrouded hammer like a revolver?
>bought some speed strips and a dryfire cylinder disc off the zeta 6 website since it was cheaper than amazon>add second set of speed strips just to get free shipping>they tossed in their rubber flat speedloader for freeIt feels weird getting bonuses in things these days. Every time it happens I get an urge to contact the company or seller and ask if they made a mistake.
>>65472020>Is it just a shrouded hammer like a revolver?Not really, it's more like an AR or AK. The hammer is completely internal.
>>65472021Nice.
>>65471997how about you shut the fuck up if you don't have anything useful to contributeinstall 4chanX on your browser, go to the little wrench icon in the top right, navigate to "filters" in the config menu, click the dropdown menu and select "tripcode," and enter my trip on its own line bracketed by forward slashesnow you can quit the retarded bitching in every single thread, you fucking retard
>>65472020>>65472032like anon said there's actually an internal hammer that sits inside a cutout of the enclosed slide, that hits a firing pin this is what it looks like on a five-seven MK2, but it's very similar on the M&P57
>>65472020A hammer, but internal. Literally
>>65472032>>65472048>>65472050How is that any different than a shrouded hammer? If I'm not mistaken, the idea behind shrouding the hammer is to prevent snagging from the draw. Isn't that basically the same term for the same thing? Is the M&P57 DA/SA because of its "internal hammer?" Can't be now that I think about it, I don't think you can decock it into DA.
>>65472057Google shrouded hammer, bro. It's still exposed so you can thumb it back into single. The idea here is to compete with strikers. There are a couple of advantages of internal hammer over a striker from my perspective. The recoil spring doesn't need to be as strong and it can make malfunctions easier to clear. And probably harder for the YOs to convert to FA.
>>65472057A shrouded hammer is still usually partially exposedAn internal hammer is fully encapsulated within the gun, like in the chiappa rhino. The m&p57 is indeed SAO and usually hammer fired guns have a better feeling trigger because you’re asking a single lever to a less mechanically complex taskFactory 5.7 is also primed with small rifle primers which have a thicker cup and require more force than pistol primers
>>65472066>>65472072Why don't we see more guns with an internal hammer? All these explanations make it seem better than a striker fired gun. For the money, I'd rather take a hammer over a striker. The M&P57 is the only gun I know that has an internal hammer.
>>65472078The Colt 1903 Pocket "Hammerless" had an internal hammer.
>>65472078I think it's because of glock. They brought back strikers with a fury. Why change something that isn't broken?
>>65471671I have a usp 9 anon u want it?
>>65472088>brought back strikers with a fury.It blew me away to learn they were making striker fired guns around the turn of the century. I for a very long time thought Glock invented the striker fired pistol.
>>65472094lmfao, if that blows your mind, check this out. this is a vz. 58. It's an AK looking rifle that isn't an AK. It's a short-stroke gas piston operated, striker-fired rifle.
>>65472078Both the m&p57 and FN Five-seven have internal hammersBut you probably can name double digit numbers of internally hammer fired guns without trying because basically every PCC/SMG and intermediate caliber carbine uses oneIn pistols it’s not terribly space efficient and requires different springing because there’s less hammer momentum with a tiny internal hammer versus a fat external oneA simpler answer is probably that most striker parts can be made out of laser cut sheet stock or castings, which cuts production costs, which manufacturers favor>>65472094The Luger P08 is also striker fired
>>65472102>check this out. this is a vz. 58.Yeah I know this one.>striker-fired rifleCome again? I know this replaced the vz52 because the Soviet Union didn't like the czecho-slovaks were using proprietary 7.62x45 ammo, but had no idea it was this radically different. I was disinterested in this because I thought it was just another Eastern Bloc AK, but now it really piqued my interest.Pic unrelated. Another pistol with a different "triple action" operating system.
>>65472102>/hg/
>>65472115Actually, I looked it up and it's technically a linear hammer. Not a striker, but kind of similar.>>65472120>complains about one post about a rifle, but has no issue with faggots discussing fisting each other
>>65472124>tolerate my off topic posting or I'll cry reeeee
>>65472124>Not a striker fired rifle now it's lame again and I have an autistic desire for obscure ammo that only exists in surplus quality because not a single manufacturer on planet earth makes new 7.62x45.
>>65472107>you probably can name double digit numbers of internally hammer fired guns without trying because basically every PCC/SMG and intermediate caliber carbine uses oneFor the sake of this discussion I was only referring to handguns, though I wasn't aware that internal hammers dominated that market segment.>The Luger P08 is also striker firedIt never even occurred to that the P08 doesn't have an external hammer. Cool fact tripfren.
.380 or 9mm Glock
>>65472142>.380 glock
>>65472143Glock42? 380 acp
>>65472145What? No. Don't get a .380 glock. Get the bodyguard if you want a compact .380, but why the fuck would you want a .380 glock? Are you european?
>>65472148I've been here three times, asked for opinions on first time owner friendly conceal carry guns and last I was here I was bombarded with "get a glock 19, or maybe 42"I come back periodically to gauge other opinions. I'm in KY so not worried about permits currently, just want something to start on with affordable ammo for practice.
>>65472156>just want something to start on with affordable ammo for practice.Then you 100% want 9mm. I'd say get the g43x w/ the new 15rd mags or the g47 if you want a bigger gun. .380 is a weak cartridge, there is a reason there aren't many .380 PCC/SMGs. If you're standing in front of someone without any barriers, then .380 is okay - even in a ~3" barrel. I would worry about car doors/windows and windshields if I was carrying a .380 though.
>>65472162It's been years since I've shot a handgun so I'm basically starting fresh here. Appreciate the feedback. Would you spring for semi-auto on the 43x? looks like it's basically an extra $100
>>65472170>Would you spring for semi-auto on the 43xWhat?
>>65472170>Appreciate the feedbackNo problem.>Would you spring for semi-auto on the 43x? looks like it's basically an extra $100it really depends on what you want. For me personally, I carry a hi point 40 S&W. On the weekends I usually pick up fries from McDonald’s for my cat. It’s on the rough side of town. 40 shoots a bigger bullet than 9mm so that’s how I know it’ll be good for the hood. If you don’t go near the hood, 9 will be fine. Anyway, just make sure you do research and if you have the opportunity to test out the gun you get, then that’s good. Get what you feel comfortable with. 40 has knockdown power, but sometimes if you’re not careful and don’t know what you’re doing, it can jam. That’s why I can never recommend 40.
>>65472211>no problemWhy are you replying for me, weirdo...What the fuck is this post? This has to be a bot.
>>65472214>Why are you replying for me, weirdo...Yeah, I guess a lot of people have that issue with 40. Haha
>>65472231No, I don't mind the round, but I have no reason to switch. Besides, that anon wanted affordable ammo. Not memes.
>>65472238>>65472170I’m sorry, anons. I was just trying to have a little fun. I need to go to bed. I hope I didn’t interfere too much. Goodnight fellas.
>>65470837How comes your mom lets you have two Berettas?
Are Steyr handguns good? I kinda like how they look. L9-A1 specifically. Won an AUG auction so want Steyr handgun to pair it with. Could just stick with my Glock 19 though.
>>65472283You can have two too when you read manual before use
Who the fuck reads the manual
>>65472315people say they're ok.
>>65472337I read my operator's manual
>>65472078My ruger lc carbine .45 has a internal hammer
>>65472337>he doesn't read the manual
How does Feyachi make brick shithouse lights with 1000 lumens (real) that you can use as a hammer without breaking all for under 30$? Back in my day that would cost you 500$ and give you 200 lumens for 10 minutes
Guys help. I keep winning auctions on gunbroker just because they're less than used retail prices. I think my lgs is going to murder me for having to do so many ffl transfers
>>65472462Buy their overpriced ammo when you go and they won't care as much. Maybe even get a LGS priced extra magazine
>>65472462Become the FFL you want. Don't let your dreams be memes.
>>65472462You become best friends with your FFL when you're stopping in every weekend and dropping 100 on a couple boxes of ammo and shooting the shit.
>>65472462FFL transfers if they’re priced right are just free money for the FFL. Priced right means the labor of receiving the gun, bounding the gun into their book (logs all guns through this FFL), and then the labor for doing the 4473
>>65472516I hate making people do their jobs that they willingly signed up for though
>>65472444It turns out when you use slave labor you can actually price things pretty cheap and still make money.
>>65472444Lower quality control if any, their reputation does not rely on the thing working, its priced so people looking for cheap garbage and that’s what they get. It does not have the guarantee that even Streamlight has If you buy cheap chink garbage and denigrate actual brands saying your cheap garbage is just as good you aren’t worthy of human rights, you are cattle, you are the type of person who thinks America is just an idea and any shit that slides out of their mother’s backside can be an American.
>>65472487Why do I want to be best friends with him? I'm not that anon so I dont buy guns enough to care. I'm not paying some stupid tax so the small talk is more pleasant when I buy a gun.
>>65472527Further more, a statement from championship golfer, Shooter McGavin https://youtu.be/WHxvwBJgB6U?is=-yyB7-Dqq9Gh8tIy
>>65472520Especially when it's a really hard job like filling out paperwork while sitting down in an air conditioned building. Truly brutal stuff.
>>65472527>>65472529I imagined you were as mad as Boomer McGavin when you typed that. Flashlights are unironically a solved problem, basic red dots are 5 years away from being a solved problem as well
I use streamlight and holosun. They just work.
>>65472528Ah, I see. Yeah you definitely shouldn't worry about it.
>>65472547My HS407k X2 with that stupid battery just randomly died on me over the weekend. Kinda ruined my range trip. Streamlight is good though, I don't think there is anyone that doesn't recommend streamlight.
>>65470684Postgun plz. Your PX4 DAO. Ran into a dude at LGShow and he had one in 9mm. Said its a prototype from before the gun went on sale in the US. Sum nigga snagged it up before I could. Only pic I took before it was gone. I woulda acted faster but I don't care much for curios and also the seller isn't whom I get my information when buying something.
>>65472547>'i spent less' virtue signal
>>65472565>didn't get the full sized px4 w/ 6 mags for $425LMFAO>>65472566N
>>65470859Tl;dr DAO is more idiot proof
>>65472566
>Still no AEMS micro>Still no Colt handgun optics
>>65472527WML's are a solved product
Gaiz, this gen X'er associate of mine picked up picrel Flux Raider Legion (didn't come with gay coin) but I did bolt on the Delta Point he got in a separate trade. He immediately asks me to order him the FRT from Texas Triggers because he doesn't know how to use computers.I'm well aware of Ron Cohen's disruption of Sigs QC, especially on 320s and even Kimber. Were the Legions and Flux Raider Legions QC to a higher standard?
>>65472532Frankly FFL's are the bravest profession for what they suffer through. Imagine the hand cramps from filling out a 4473 twice a day
>>65472584Also no eps cores, it's been half a year already
Is there a PCC GEN?
>>65472596That's a 320, it's cursed
>>65472566>I spend 300 dollars on a flashlight years ago when chinese lights weren't there and everyone else must too in perpetuity
>>65472620...we'll see about that
>>65472609I thought those were out already? What the heck is chang doing?
>>65472620Sorry bud, didn't mean to tag you.
>>65472568Ikr? I was beating myself up over it becasue i only had 300$ cash on me but I went a different direction with a different gun. To compensate for my failure I bought this Agency arms M&p for 700$ then i added everything picrel. Auction buy and none of the assholes knew what it was.
>>65472596I've been heavily researching these lately since you can score a 320 legion on GB for about $500 any day of the week now and they seem to be cursed like that other anon said. But if you just want a range toy you should be gtg as long as you are aware that bitch is cursed
>>65472636Damn, that's a good steal. Well done
>>65472596a lot of the p320s that went off were old police ones that didnt get the free fix.
>>65472465I give them so much money already >>65472471I've thought about doing this and just running a garage FFL and doing transfers on the side for folks.>>65472487I am a regular at their range and I'm sure at least a couple of them lurk here. I know for sure one does since he's always sporting milsurp from kommandostore>>65472516Like that other anon said, it's a difficult job asking the grump at the counter to check in my gun, do the paperwork and take my money.
>>65472620It's literally this
>>65472584>AEMS Micro>Coming 2026 Q3Damn, I had no idea they were cooking this up. Gonna get it for sure.
>>65472620my point is that its really tacky to use your low-to-midrange gear as a badge of honor. most people consider that sour grapes.
>they just work>bAdGe oF hOnOrYou're projecting you're own horseshit onto others. I'm sorry my purchases offend you.
>>65472672I'm glad my worthless thread bitch posting could help someone somewhat.
>>65472678NTA BUT what you're doing right now is sour grapes. You got left holding the Surefire fuck fuck bag and you're pissed that china is making equivalent products at a 10th the price
>>65472644Fuck. But hey, thanks for sharing your wisdom on the topic.
>>65472678No Grandpa, the car isn't tacky because you remembered when there were only horses. Its more convenient, now get in so we can get your medicine.
>>65472462My FFL was making bank during my last gun buying spree.If anything it was more annoying for me to wait for the damn FFL to make it ready for pickup
>>65472678>tier one guy has a $3,000 LAM>everyone talks shit if you don't own the zapmaster 9001 on a pay in 12, 69% apr loan>tier one guy has a $25 light/riser/stock/forend/whatever>everyone basedfaces and it becomes the meta for 3 years because waow the spooky boys are heckin just like us and have esoteric thrifty knowledgeif you shoot your guns enough none of this matters and anyone who talks shit about a $90 light or $200 optic is usually either a poor terminally online gearfag noguns or has a $4,700 DD MK18 build and $5,000 staccato sitting in a safe with a total round count of 150 on each, or boththere's a huge difference between a retarded idiot with an airsoft HAPPYGREAT ZHUIBOTECHNOLOGY optic that has not broken yet because he has not fired more than 50 rounds through his shitstick rifle, and someone who put a cheaper streamlight on their gun because they decided they didn't need a pocket sun
>>65472733>Don't need a pocket sunThat's the thing sissyFF the 30$ china lights that tank 124grain +p as well as the 300$ Surefire are also brighter. WML's have been solved
>>65472761>can't be used for extended periods without getting too hot or the battery dyingNo weapon light is solved.
Jewlantic has some "surplus" BUL M5s in 45 for $1100. Sneed it or keep it?
>>65472315The A2s seem to be squared away, no personal experience, but the two A1s I had were bad enough I had to get rid of them both. Same thing in both, couldn't go back into battery. I do not think the originals had this problem, it's not something I see talked about>>65472584Still no Pureview>>65472672>ComingDon't hold your breath
>>65472785>Thing that doesn't happen
>>65472792I'm half considering getting the steiner red dot.
>>65472820>Fell for it again award
>>65471219its a very cool gun that is held back by a slightly spongy DA trigger and a bad civilian use case. Too big to CC, why get a polymer gun to have for home defense. Love mine though.
>>65472824What did I fall for?
>>65472719Bro just go for it if you're into them. Have you felt the weight of the 320 legion in hand? That tungsten grip is pretty dope. Absorbs a ton of recoil. I mean sure it could just pop off if you keep one in the chamber, and the jeet factory QC means that fitments may be slightly ass, and it's finicky with certain ammo so you could get random ftfs - but shit bro, if you want one and have then money then go for it. There's still people out there that buy shit like the Walther PPK which has a bevvy of issues.
>>65472596For whatever reason there hasn't been a single reported case of a flux raider ADing. That could just be due to them being much less common, but some have claimed that the tighter frame to slide fit may play some sort of role in that whole situation. YMMV.
>>65472846the raider has a manual safety and both a stiffer and thicker frame than the normal polymer P320 grip modules that protrudes wider than the slidethere are also probably 1/100th of the amount of raiders in existence as compared to p320s, if that
>>65472834Pic relatedWatch the defender appear with the marketing screenshot
Is there a model of pistol that can make it not be gay and simultaneously is there a model of pistol that automatically makes it gay? >inb4 what's "it"
>>65472876but it's all chinese. I'm not buying it because it might be American. The only one that would be American would be the primary arms one and that 750 I could spend on a gas mask instead.
>>65472883The P320
>>65472854The manual safety on the raider doesn't matter in this case. It's a simple trigger block and would not prevent the later non drop related ADs, not to be confused with the initial inertial firings.
>>65472889Now what's one that makes it straight?
>>65472898The flux raider
>>65472900Not sure I agree
You take a sip from your trusty Vault 13 canteen…
>>65472716>the Surefire fuck fuck bagliterally how broke are you? swear to god gun guys are the biggest drama queens when it comes to spending money. go ask your retarded car guy friend at work how much he throws at his riced out shitbox
>>65472961>noooo you have to spend more moneyHava...
>>65472961>t.fell for surefire
>>65472961i don't get what the argument is, that people should be paying agency price for something that is in most respects functionally equivalent to a cheaper product, despite not having SOP/authorized dealer/agency buying requirements that they have to go by? a TLR-1HL puts out 1,000 lumen at 20,000cd; an X-300u puts out 1,000 lumens at 11,300 cd, what in your mind justifies the X-300u being 100% more expensive than the TLR-1HLthe x-300u is fine but at a certain point you should just start shoving pokemon cards into your riflestock if the measure of a flashlight is the price
The only problem Surefire has is that you pay a 50% markup for the name alone. Most of their serious competitors meet the same rugged capabilities without the brand pricing. Bitches be buying Surefires and Holosun optics and calling others poorfags.
>L9-A2 seemingly unobtainiumGuess I'll get an M9
>>65473074>what in your mind justifies the X-300u being 100% more expensive than the TLR-1HLquality control, like ALL high-end gear.
>>65473093what evidence is there that surefire is doing more quality control than streamlight?
I bought a px4 in >40s&wand i just gave Langdon more money than i paid for the gun for his filthy trigger job in a bag. I invite you to mock me
>>65473093>QC costs 100 dollars for a shitty flashlightMan
odds I go to the mountains to take pics of my gunevens I go to the beach to take pics of my gun
>>65473112>40s&w based
Anyone know if the Beretta 92 comp fits properly with an aftermarket threaded barrel? If not I guess I can get a factory threaded barrel from Gunmag since they are on sale.
>>65473093Surefire has you locked in chastity holy shit
>>65473116QC is why high end things cost more money the majority of the time.
Imagine not buying LE trade in surefires for <150
Hey guys my brand new x300u just shit the bed after a box of +p gold dots, what's an actual decent brand so I'm not burning money on a name?
>>65473134pretty sure most will tell you to use the factory barrel since some aftermarket barrels aren't the exact right length so you end up with a gapyou should get the Jarvis customs single port though, it looks way nicer and matches the frame and slide way better then this weird jew hooknose lookin comp... I have a 92XI Squalo so I want to send my slide and barrel to Taran Tactical and get their port job with 6 holes right into the top of the barrel and then keep the overall look of the Beretta with no comp and the barrel crowned
>>65473135i have both you weirdo
>>65473139They all do the exact same QC. I've seen the machines. Chang invented the machines even.
>>65473093it's a flashlight faggot, people use O-lights on carry guns and they work fine... as long as you're not going into COMBAT with some amazon tier shit, but even then you take what you can get. I would rather have a cheapo amazon WML on my gun then literally nothing and die in the dark while the other guy blinds the SHIT out of me
>>65473129Luv me fortiesSimple as
>>65473153>as long as you're not going into COMBATyou're mounting it on a gun.
>>65473151>Long surefire on the pistol>short streamlight on the PDWWHY
>>65473153O-light baldr mini faggot here, bretty based light ngl
>>65473157>when you have absolutely nothing to nitpick so you just make up problemsbut yeah you're right ill enable noclip on my x300 so it can clear the folding stock.
>>65473156You're not jumping out of helicopters. A chinese optic or wml will suffice.
>>65473151>Flux Take his man card
>>65473156going into active COMBAT knowing you're going to get SHOT AT THAT DAY is different then you putting an O-light on your carry gun on the genuinely extremely off chance you actually gotta blow someone the fuck awaythere's a difference, and you just need to be aware of the difference so you don't expect your cheap shit to preform at the level of other shit. Some people are fine with cheap/mid level shit on their carry and HD guns because they aren't going into COMBAT and you will probably never have to fire your weapon in anger at anyone
>>65473165Everyone needs to experience a flux/pistol chassis to see how mid they are compared to a roller delayed PCC.
>>65473162The chinese shit is being battle proven in eastern europe anyway. China being shitty is a thing of the past. China is a solved manufacturer
>>65472538Buy your cheap garbage then.
>>65473171Flux cucks btfo ngl
>>65473160>nitpickYou're not that important.
>>65473171I have one at my LGS for 1800 dollars and nobody is EVER going to buy that fucking thing, its not a good handgun and its not a good PDW, it sucks at being both. The stability you get from the shit ass blade stock barely makes up for the fact you have to carry this piece of shit in a bag as opposed to ON YOUR BELT like a normal person carries a weapon.like don't get me wrong it's neat, but it's not 1800 fucking dollars neat... a P365 XL isn't even 800 dollars so you're paying what.. 1200 for the fuckin frame? I guess it does have a TLR and Sig dot on it so that's probably 50% of the whole cost of the frame but still.. DAMN
>>65473171I have a PMXs I'm happy with, though I want a kuna. And an APC. Also, a ptr clone as well.
>>65473169getting shot at doesn't make your flashlight less reliable. dropping it on the ground makes it less reliable and that can happen when you're fiddling with it on the toilet. i want a light that is made well so that it WONT flicker or shut off if it gets knocked around. this is a difference of only like a hundred bucks, you know? even when i was making 24/hr i didnt scoff at that.
>>65473093What exact specific quality control checks is Surefire doing that Streamlight et al either don't do or wouldn't pass if they did?May I see your Surefires?
>muh combat lightwe're talking about concealed carry lmao these are handguns
>>65473171with 34 rounds my flux is a pound lighter than an empty mpk5 and way smaller.
more like Olight Maldr lmao gotem
>>65473186why'd you pick an x300u?
>>65473181>1800 dollarsThat's stupid. >as opposed to on your belt like a normal personPDW chest holsters should become a thing. Handguns inherently suck compared to stocked weapons by their favorite nature.
>>65473183bro you're trapped in like 2005, cheap WML's are much better then they have ever been.. I'm still not going to buy any of them and will stick to surefire and streamlight but tons of newer companies are cranking out 100~ dollar WML's that work fine for ILLUMINATING A TARGET
>>65473182>I have a PMXs I'm happy withlol no you aren't. you haven't posted it in over a year because its mid as fuck and you paid full price for it.
>>65473197WML's are a solved product tbqh
>>65472792>Pureview>First-ever holographic micro red dotDafuq? Why haven't I heard of this? Been so out of the loop.>>65473198>you need to post your guns to prove yourself>you paid full price for itlmfao who do you think you're talking to?
>>65473194It was on $ale for $160 (before the 1000 lumen revamp existed)I don't use it for HD, it's too bright. Streamlight TLR-1 for that
>>65473202>lmfao who do you think you're talking to?the one person on /k/ who bought a pmx
>>65473202>Why haven't I heard of this?FN and because do you really need a holo sight for your handgun?
>>65473194I have a turbo on my Beretta, but I think I would rather have the ultra for a handgun, then toss the turbo onto a rifle.
>>65473196stepping up from a pistol to anything with a stock and something resembling a foregrip is a pretty huge step in 'type' of gun idk if I'd even really compare them anymoreit does have a decent footprint still if you have any extended mags, but if you keep it in a bag with flushfits you're sorta screwing over one of the advantages of it which is really high capacity. I guess you could keep the flush fits in the gun and then have a spare extended 25/30 round next to it so if you have a moment while deploying swap to the larger mag and take the small one and shove it in your pocketIt just really loses points for me that you kinda NEED those larger mags or you're stuck with a pistol that has a stock and basically no other advantage. It IS really stable even with the shitty blade obviously.. you have more points of contact and it does have like 6" of barrel so.. idk like I said it's neat but not 1800 dollars neat.
>>65473206>reddit spacing schizoYeah... can you be more bizarre?>>65473208>do you need a holo sightDo I need it? N O. But I want it, and I'm curious to compare it to my other dots.
>>65473148I like how the Jarvis comp looks as well, but I wouldn't call the Beretta one ugly though. The Beretta comp wins for me because it doesn't require a set screw.
>>65473216If I ever got a 'retta I'd want the compensator from leon the professional
>>65473208>do you really need a holo sight for your handgunI thought the same thing until I actually fired a handgun with a holo/red dot and yes it actually is pretty amazing. You basically just remove the need to have your front and rear perfectly aligned. If you already have decent fundamentals for pistols a red dot will just make you faster and more accurate 100%it's a personal preference too, if you dont have irons that co-witness and your dot goes down you just get to guess-shoot through a giant square with maybe your front sight for reference.. so that would suck. I'm gunna get a Holosun SCS for my CZ P10C Ported, it sits really low on the slide and lets you have a lower 1/3rd co-witness with your irons. It also matches the slide serrations and looks really cool.. AND you dont need mounting plates for the SCS series.
>>65473211>it's neat but not 1800 dollars neatthe chassis itself is 600 bucks and sometimes goes on sale. they have an even cheaper polymer frame for 400, a 365XL is about 500 used.
>>65473218The Algimec is cool, if not hard to find. There are knockoffs of it tmk.
>>65473219anon he means why choose an expensive mini holo sight over a normal mini red dot?
>>65473223I checked that vid out a while back, I'd love something like that even if it isn't functional
>>65473219As the other poster pointed out, I don't mean a red dot, I mean a holographic, IE: Eotech. it's a different technology than how a red dot is projected. More complicated, less battery life, you can't have multi reticle, but it's better for the tism.
>>65473218out of curiosity I was checking which one that is and it's apparently Italian unobtanium so.. this guy named Alan with Griffith Guns makes something called the Biohazard GG92 which looks similar. Leons comp has ports straight out the top with no cuts that you can see from the sides, but it's pretty close in how large it is and its overall dimensionsOR the Rics SGS, that one actually looks a little closer but idk how to buy them, they're out of business now... but that Griffith Guns guy is currently active so
>>65473237Can you post a pic? If it looks close enough then maybe that'll go on the list
>>65473234I see what you meant, I work at an LGS so people often call them both and don't really understand they're different so yeah. Holosights also usually have better paralaxing along with what you listed.. I should have followed the replies up further lol my bad
>>65473240Yeah here's the GG92 Biohazard from Griffith Guns, it looks pretty fucking sweet. He's a small company guy so don't expect speed if you order anything.
>>65473249>He's a small company guy so don't expect speed if you order anything.I want to get a cnc machine to make shit and sell it, but it's such an investment just to start business out of your garage.
>>65473249Okay yeah that does look good. Maybe I do need another 9
>>65473258Berettas are fucking great guns bro, extremely accurate, hammer fired, classy looking while still being extremely reliable and 'duty ready'. You have the regular 92 series with the DA/SA or you can go the XI route and get a 1911/Beretta lovechild with controls like a 1911, SAO with a even better triggerpull then a normal Beretta's SA pull. I have a Squalo so it came out of the box with some competition upgrades already on it and I love that gun. It shoots great and feels amazing in my hand, AND it looks fucking rad, its my classy carry/comp gun.
>>65473270You don't have to sell me on the 'rett I already like them. I pocket carry a bobcat when I'm not appendixing my vp9, so I already have my toe into the company. I just haven't seen a true need for another 9 yet but I could justify it as "first hammer fired 9"
>>65472596Tell your fat wife to clean up a little.
>>65472596Sorry I thought I was in arg.
>>65473243You're good. We all have a little bit of tism around here (hence why we're posting in a dedicated general to a subclass of firearms) so you can presume we have a better understanding here. Now enjoy using context clues to figure out when I'm talking about autism or astigmatism
>>65472733>$4,700 DD MK18 buildLeave the $700 uppers out of this. Where did the other $4000 go?
>>65472820I can't stand the battery compartment on top. Absolute dealbreaker.
>>65473325The first version looks better even with the battery compartment flush with the unit. Though it doesn't bother me too much to not want it like other things do.
>>65473093This would be funny if you weren't talking about surefire. Mine works great but I know more people that got fucked up lights than have working ones. >flickers
>>65473327>13k hr batteryVs.>>65472820>60k hr batteryI wish I waited. Still haven't gotten picrel cut, but it's intended to be a target pistol only so the life isn't a deal breaker.
>>65471806P30 is basically soft canceled and only afloat because the vp9 shares so much with it. The minute they make a new Vp9 that doesn't have any connection to the p30 then the p30 is dead. Ltt offering nitrite for the optics cut basically is the cannery in the close mine for the p30
>>65473488cannery in the close mine?
>>65473567It's an early warning sign before something bad happens.
>>65473624Nigga, Canary in the coal mine???
>>65473625I'm a different anon.
>>65473628Oh I wanted to make fun of the cannery in the close mine retard
Bros do I buy a p30 before HK cancels the product line?
>>65473629>cannery in the close mineIt does seem like a weird place for that.
>>65473637Too late, check the news
>>65473625i hate to be the beaner of bad noose>>65473637find one to hold and if you really like it, it's a worthwhile pistol to have but it's not like it's god's greatest gift to polymer DA/SA's either, it's a perfectly good doody gun
>>65473661Alright FFsissy that juan was somewhat funny. You redeemed yourself a little
>>65473637No
It's on its way, lads. Ordered today
>>65473670Wish I could shoot revolvers for shit
>>65473637Na p30 sucks>inb4 some faggot tripfag says otherwise
>>65473682Time and practice, m8
>>65473691Name 3 good da/sa 9mms
>>65473704Not my fight jackass. Have fun
>>65473691otherwise
why doesnt walther make a 43x sized gun? i would probably swap from glock to walther if i could get a small pdp
>>65473704Beretta 92fsBeretta 80x CheetahBeretta M9A4
>>65473721>80x cheetahhuh
>>65473731>>65473721i want an 80x eventually. looks like a fun gun. plus i need something in .380
>>65473719What's wrong with the pps?
>>65473670Neat. I'd like to get shot in the head by one of those.
>>65473704CZ 75CZ SP-01CZ P-01
>>65473704P226P229SP2022
>>65473823You can do anything you put your mind to
>>65473719The ppk.
>>65473704Cz shadow 2Hk p2000S&w 6906
>>65473711Showed up when i whistled for you, good dog
>>65472672>buying that when you can buy the Colt US assembled optic
>>65473931Can't buy either. t. "bought" the colt and I still don't have it.
>>65473682Revolvers are the easiest handguns to shoot (sans high power snubbies or something) due to how much weight they have and potential lack of recoil when using XX caliber special rounds.
New thread: >>65474003New thread: >>65474003New thread: >>65474003
>>65473931They look nice. For that price, there's a catch. Fall apart upon recoil or battery life measured in days. Alternatively, they've revolutionized pistol optics and everybody else will have to dump their prices to stay in the game.
>>65473637Imagine FOMOing on the lowest capacity blandest most slop of dutyslop imagineable
>>65473988NTA when I shoot revolvers the trigger is so light that it ends up going off before I have the sights lined up. Apparently I need that bit of resistance from heavier triggers.
>>65473974Do we get the colt optic and gta vi before the biofire gun?
>>65473784ugly
>>65471034I have decided to get the spectre 9 because I can get it locally. If I feel like doing the wolfman or mojave I can get those later
>>65471555>>65471517you can just run .45 lc in it and only pull out the 454 for special occasions. you can get 45 lc at the grocery store.
Does anyone know where to get a decent custom holster? Kydex is more than fine.
>>65473637It's a well-made gun but it has one of the worst triggers ever, so you'd immediately want to send it to LTT if you did buy one. If you want an HK just to have one then buy something in 45.
