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A vag bro is an AMAB person who identifies as a man and has undergone vaginoplasty.

QOTT: what made you realize you're not actually a woman?
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>>42167137
sadly post ops need estrogen for vaginal health
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>>42167137
Yes. Low-normal male levels of T.
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>>42166801
but i dont want to be seen as a man having a pussy wont change anything
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>>42167154
The xy body converts Test into estrogen automatically, so I figured you wouldn't need to take both. Unless you mean they need abnormally high amounts of estrogen?

>>42167158
Why low-normal? Do you feel good, hormonally speaking?
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>>42167216
without estrogen the vagina could dry out

My bf used to never go outside before he met me and now we go outside all the time together now
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>>42165921
we went around town and then had kfc and walked around river
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>>42166209
What else?
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>>42165491
so cute and adorable
both of you discover the world together
this is what h8ers are trying to stop
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so cute
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>>42167131
>both of you discover the world together
want this

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>say you wanna get pegged outside of /lgbt/
>people will call you a faggot
>say you wanna get pegged on /lgbt/
>people will call you straight
Am I a faggot or not?
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>>42166928
More or less yes
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>>42166965
hm
How many women have you had sex with?
Also how old are you?
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bump
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>>42167043
we're on 4chan take a guess
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>>42166923
isn't that just a slur used against straight ppl to give them a taste of their own medicine?
idk, i don't think having a fetish as a straight guy makes you gay-adjacent.

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Did y'all stuck with male underwear or swapped to girl ones?

Since haven't gotten surgery I'm still sticking to tighty whities lol
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>>42166553
awww this dweeb likes her undies getting made fun of! what brand are you wearing now? bet i can guess...
>>42166570
its just so easy to picture you blushing with your glasses sliding down your nose, while your pants slide down your legs ;P
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>>42166490
is this you?
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>>42166623
Hanes...I'm not a dweeb aaa

>.<

And what do you mean down my legs aaaa
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>>42166734
i knew it! i bet you wear those more then you say x3 at least they're new right? i mean, you're not wearing these same briefs from when you were a kid, right? no way those still fit... riiight?
as far as down your legs, well, we're discussing your underpants, don't you think they should be exposed? you're a big girl, there's no need to be embarrassed
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>>42166811
Nooo, I'm more of a Calvin and Wirarpa person now >.<

It's still embarrassing tho

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/lesgen/ is the lesbian general for all cis women and trans women (MtF) to discuss lesbian relationships and topics.

QOTT
>Are you a fan of enemies to lovers? Favorite lesbian trope?
>How do you decorate your room? Would you date someone with a messy room?
>What songs do you listen to when you’re falling in love? During a breakup?
>How will you celebrate the new year? Will you have a new year’s kiss?

tagmap: https://tagmap.io/tag/%2Flesgen%2F
discord: https://discord.gg/bAnVMAGPNR
old thread: >>42115509
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>>42166831
oh i'm not cis i just like vaginas..maybe could like another tranner's penis but i've never really been in the right space to try that
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>>42166662
No, there are a few particular users changing the character this week. Supposedly manmoders or guys? Why not banned?
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>>42166922
yeah same i only like piv i am seeking a cis female to impregnate
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i keep getting uti's and i don't know why
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>>42167018
The focus on impregnation first feels creepy to me...
>>42166662
>yucky gen
It seems to go through cycles of being kinda gross and being kinda boring. Not long ago people were complaining that the thread was boring because it was just people talking about their lives and experiences. I caught some flak during that period - heck, my name popped up in another gen with someone saying they hate my guts? *shrug*
>Nine Sols
I liked it, but Ill admit it's very much a 7/10 or 8/10 game. It's very parry heavy mechanics wise. Think 2D Sekiro. The core gameplay loop is about using precisely timed parties to build up talisman energy that you use to deal heavy damage back. Some of the later bosses are brutally difficult. The final boss in particular took me a long time to knock over in her true form just because of how fast and punishing everything was. But the flow state from everything locking into place was just so so good to me.
Im a fan of harder games in general, mind. I consider stuff like Dark Souls and Bloodborne to be kinda mid as far as difficulty goes. If put Nine Sols in line with FromSoft games like those in terms of difficulty overall - with the final boss herself far exceeding any of the challenges from those games (I kinda suck at parries, lol)

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i been thinking about transitioning ,but i think i am too old for HRT
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>>42163721
I started hrt at 19 but I'm still a manmoder
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>>42163721
It is never too late. Time will pass and you will age regardless of what you do. Imagine yourself in your 50s. I don't know how old you are, but I'm going to assume that's 2 or 3 decades down the line for you. Think about how long that is relative to your life so far. Do you want to repress for another 2-3 decades and be treated like a man? Do you want another 2-3 decades in a testosterone-dominant body you aren't comfortable in? I assume not. I assume you'd rather be on estrogen for a couple decades and have a body that aligns closer to your identity.
>inb4 "but i won't pass so it's literally not worth trying :("
Consider the following: If you try, you may or may not pass. If you don't try, you are guaranteed to not pass and will become less passing the longer you wait.
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>>42164525
just because i turned into a woman doesn't mean i wasn't one of the bros
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>cut off
are u retarded?
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>>42164912
Mt girlfriend has been socially out for a year while I've been hrtboymoding since August now. I'm 32 and have known about my tranny thoughts die probably 20 fucking years now, shit maybe longer actually. She's been super encouraging and is giving me the confidence to truly be myself and give it my all

>>42166326
Same here! I was still blending in with femboy spaces and have the twinkiest body possible. Tbh I don't even know what my "style" even is. How did you figure that out yourself?

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i feel guilty about being an idf solider but i pass better while wearing the uniform
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>>42166927
Please rape me, I've been a very bad little Palestinian boy
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>>42167109
no thanks
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>>42167159
Understandable have a nice day

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This pairing won
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>>42167006
im a nazi and every black ive met has been transphobic
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>>42167029
no i meant what the fuck is ur pic
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>>42167061
say ack commie-hon!
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Love always wins. A single flame of love, or a loveflame If you will, is transcendently immanently beyond all of the crass evil of hate.
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>>42166840
I love my black boyfriend

In what sense have you transitioned?

You grew tits and longer hair? That's just a midlife crisis, two decades early.

You secretly wear panties under your clothes? So do a quarter of CEOs.

You take estradiol? So do looksmaxxers for their glow-ups.
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>>42167038
all my documents are updated and aside from family people only know me as a woman now
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>>42167083
>introduce myself as my preferred gender
>Hello, I am female.
Kek. I'd buy you a drink if you used this line on me.
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>>42167111
you know I'm probably autistic and high functioning enough to get away with it too.
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>>42167038
i mean i updated my ID, use a female name, wear women's clothing etc but none of it really matters because people just see me as a normal man who crossdresses. i don't see myself as trans because transition just isn't physically possible for me.
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>>42167038
true

t. manmoder with tits and long hair

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>>42166728
internalised misandry is likely
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>>42166961
i mean your criticism is good but i dont think its cism fans specific, ive met a lot of cis lesbians too that complain about that stuff

>cisheterosexist sense of morality

im not sure what this means, is it judging the taboo and uncomfortable parts of queer relationships?
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>>42166958
oh, that's why you were asking
again, he's not necessarily trans. there are a whole lot of cism yurifags that are just drawn to the stereotypical depiction of relationships in yuri, because it doesn't involve all the drama, complexity, sexual passion, whatever that typifies contemporary heterosexual relationships, whether among their peers in real life or as depicted in media.
they might dislike the pressure to be promiscuous common among younger age groups, and like how cheating or playing around is rarely a thing in traditional yuri. they might dislike the sexist relationship roles that people push men and women into, and like that in a queer relationship there are less restrictive, or at least different, relationship roles. they might be asexual or low-sexual and like depictions of relationships that minimize the sexual component, like old-school repressed-homosexuality from the 80s-90s.
while yuri is a gateway to trooning out for a lot of people, there are also plenty of cishet men that would be happy in life if they just had a relationship with a girl that was free of all those pain points for them.
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I don't think it's a big deal
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>>42167112
yeah, p much
like, tons of queer people both men and women like the power or manic-pixie fantasy of breaking up a heterosexual couple and helping the target of their attraction realize their repressed, homosexual attraction. yes, it's problematic when viewed in the context of a commitment between two partners, but to queer people it's in the wider cultural context of compulsory heterosexuality and it appeals to a sense that we need to break down social institutions that enforce that.
there's also the misogynist angle of stereotyping women and assuming they can't have masculine-coded sexuality. the cism yurifag thinks they are so feminist because they love yuri, but then they are blinded by how they apply their stereotypes of femininity to women.

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why are azn boys, and bottoms by extension, like this?
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all bottoms are asian
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>>42166929
BWC withdrawl symptoms

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>tfw Scorpio Moon, the most malebrained moon sign, so I can never be a real girl
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>>42166891
Need full chart for personality disorders. Cancer rising is quite feminine though. Plus sun and moon in Venus signs.
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>>42166949
What are my flaws, strengths (if I have any), and personality disorders?
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>>42166625
Is Leo Sun/Scorpio moon and rising malebrained or femalebrained?
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>>42167168
Sexybrained
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>>42167151
holy shitbwe have very similar charts. I have Saturn and Jupiter in Taurus and a scorpio rising

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FtMs are even hotter than normal alt girls.
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>>42166910
yes, i have a ftm wingman i see sometimes and he's really special
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>>42166986
How tight is his pussy?

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>what is INTERGEN?
INTERGEN is a general for intersex people to talk to each other about their experiences or just to hang out

>what is an intersex person?
Intersex people are those born with any of several sex characteristics, including chromosome patterns, gonads, or genitals that do not fit typical binary notions of male or female bodies

>am I intersex?
We are not doctors, please seek medical advice, but dont be afraid to ask questions here to maybe understand things better

>are trans people intersex?
Trans people are not inherently intersex, however an intersex person can transition if they want, “neurologically intersex” is not real as being intersex pertains to the sex organs or hormonal productions

>how is this /lgbt/?
We share similar experiences of discrimination and social prejudice based on sex and gender norms, even though intersex is a variation of sex characteristics, not a gender identity or sexual orientation itself
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>>42164563
We accidentally made a generation of MtFs in Gen X by giving pregnant mothers DES, a synthetic estrogen, during pregnancy to help with pregnancy symptoms. Whoops!

Not a DES baby, kleinfelters and take female HRT, but it was a fucking fight to get that, let me tell you.
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>>42165371
It’s amazing to be home on such a blustery day
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>>42166233
DES was uniquely awful but this is actually contested, with other sources claiming lower odds of mtf transition in that population vs. the general population. And everyone's favorite rodent-based theory of gender identity hinges on the action of estrogen (usually derived from testosterone by local aromatase) on the developing brain.
But as always in sexology we just ignore evidence that contradicts our claims.
>>42165387
I don't think most people would argue with you that some things are correlated, but even pretty significant prenatal hormone variations failed to reliably produce homosexuality in that study.
To the extent there are biological underpinnings to sexuality and gender identity in humans (and there certainly is evidence that hints that there are biological underpinnings) they are poorly understood. We can find correlations but that doesn't mean we know if the relationship is causal, or what the mechanism is.

But going back to
>intersex behavior and neurology
Am I wrong to say that the vast majority of homosexuals have no identifiable DSD? That homosexuality emerges in humans despite no significant difference in sex organ anatomy, hormone production, or hormone sensitivity?
Why is homosexuality any more intersex than being unusually short or unusually tall?
How far do we take it? If I'm AMAB but I have strong maternal instincts is that an intersex trait? Why does brain think I'm a mommy? Do I go ahead and put an intersex flag up in my lawn on that basis alone?
What's the limit?
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>>42166789
that prenatal hormones and orientation are related in humans mirrors the same observation as rats, which we can reliably produce homosexuality in, by giving larger doses of prenatal hormones (the adrenal gland, obviously, isn't the body's major source of testosterone)
claiming we don't have a good standard of evidence on the causality at this point is cope

>Why is homosexuality any more intersex than being unusually short or unusually tall?
because androphilia and gynephilia are specifically sex associated characteristics in a way that height isn't, and they're associated with other sexed neurological and physiological changes

> If I'm AMAB but I have strong maternal instincts is that an intersex trait?
if you are a feminized homosexual male you should also be a bit more maternal

>Do I go ahead and put an intersex flag up in my lawn on that basis alone?
depends what you want to do with that flag, doesn't it?
homosexuality, transness and intersexness are all interlinked, and from a philosophical and apologetic point of view, i like showing they can be seen as variations between masculinity and femininity on an intersex spectrum
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>>42166896
So the fact that if you give a pregnant rat megadoses of testosterone it turns her daughters gay (does it, or does it just prevent the lordosis reflex from developing?) doesn't mean every human lesbian developed under the influence of megadoses of prenatal testosterone. Obviously. So, absent evidence a particular lesbian developed that way, why would we call her intersex?
Do you think all lesbians are even butch? Do you think all gay men are the stereotypical flamers?
Nearly every "sex associated characteristic" exists as two overlapping but distinct distributions, which means you inevitably get individuals who are outliers on one or more traits. Does that mean the entire human population is intersex?

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Current body vs goals
Gotta dream big (she was fat and had lipo/BBL)
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>>42165971
where do i get that sweater/dress
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>>42166699
900000 variants on Shein for 5 dollars
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>>42165971
Most cis woman don't look like that lower your goals
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>>42166699
New Yorker
>>42166880
I said that myself by calling it dreaming big and pointing out that she had surgery done to look like that


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