I get why tranners have made it a critical mission to dismiss the AGP accusation, because having "just a fetish" doesn't lead to respect or recognition or rights. At the same time, the logic being used to rebuke AGP is becoming increasingly desperate and absurd. At this point, can a person even be AGP anymore? Is it possible for a man to just have a fetish for imagining himself as a woman, crossdressing and sexualizing the self as a girl?I ask because by tranner logic, the arousal created by the aforementioned is always deflected onto something else, such asa) it's only sublimation: because you're definitely a girl on the inside, the body takes your desire to be a girl and sublimates into sexuality. Somehow.b) euphoria: there's nothing sexual about getting rock hard wearing women's clothing or imaging yourself as a girl, it's just the body reacting to being happy.c) it's normal: women also get turned on by the idea of imagining themselves in sexual situations, which is a bravely stupid hill to die on, given that women don't feel strong compulsions to masturbate and experience floods of arousal just by putting on women's clothing or by the mere acknowledgement of being a girl, in itself. Likewise, cis men don't start furiously masturbating with the thought of "omg I'm a MAN omg". No one seems to do this, except for tranners, and almost exclusively trans women at thatSo in this universe, there isn't a single pathway in which a man can be AGP, every road thereto has been completely eliminated by the different deflections. Either you're sublimating, or it's euphoria boners, or it's just totally normal actually and all cis women also feel extreme bouts of arousal thinking about how they're female. Just being a guy with a fetish for self-feminization has been made existentially impossible, because it must always, without exception, be something else.So is such a fetish even possible to have now? And if so, where is the difference?
>>36653386AGP has never been a fetish in theory, it's supposed to be a novel sexual orientation unto itself. The fetish you describe exists (but it's not agp because agp isn't a fetish in the first place), it's just not ever the reason for transition.
>>36653423So when is it a fetish and when is someone trans?
>>36653386>Is it possible for a man to just have a fetish for imagining himself as a woman, crossdressing and sexualizing the self as a girl?yes. cuz thats me.
>>36653556It's a fetish when you do it home and trans when you want to do your fetish in public and force everyone else into turning you on by calling you a girl
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>>36653386>it's just the body reacting to being happy.no way. I was 9yrs old when I first put on panties. I was already a horny little fuck and got rock hard putting on panties cuz it was so naughty and sexy. I have never actually thought I was a girl just that I can get away with larping as one on occasion
>>36653386>Just being a guy with a fetish for self-feminization has been made existentially impossible, because it must always, without exception, be something else.They will state that the existence of such a person is possible and label them as a crossdresser, even though the difference between a crossdresser and a transwoman is not quite clear, which is what lead Blanchard to coin the term autogynephilia.
>>36653386Yeah. This often is a problem when you use old school psychology.When Freud said "every son wants to subconsciously fuck their own mother" I think there probably is some truth to it. Of course it should not be taken literally but I think attraction to things we are familiar with does exist.I think the same logic applies to AGP theory too and even homosexuality being a fetish. Every single argument used for homosexuality being a fetish, can also be applied on transgenderism and vice versa.-Serves no biological function-Can be caused by trauma-etcProblem is that human mind is very complex and I think we are only now starting to understand sexual side of it even since that area of study became less taboo.Probably homosexuality, etc are paraphilia but are not harmful or sick enough to be considered as such. Also there are some explanations and data on it all etc.
>>36654737That doesn't hold hold any water given that transgender is not a sexuality, but a gender identity. The comparison already breaks apart there. According to trans logic, there is nothing at all sexual about being transgender
>>36653386I don't really care, I used to tell myself "it was a fetish" for years when repping and jerking off to written tg erotica, and I've been girlmoding for like 5 years now, I'm much happier and I have a normie life now.
>>36655654>there is nothing at all sexual about being transgenderYea. I think u r correct.But it's the same as claiming that there is nothing inherently sexual about your genitals and that they are only a part of what define your gender identity and sex. We both sort of know that's a bit bullshit.
>>36655732I'm glad you're happier, but that's not really what this is about.
>>36653386why do ai generated anime girls always have vagina armpits
>>36655814To claim there is nothing sexual about genitals is fucking retarded
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>>36653386Actually, I am AGP on the basis of me being a man disconnected from my body and simply wanting one that is attractive to myself. Just a nice looking mecha…
>>36653741based fetishist
>>36656492Just like how any decent player in MMOs has a sexy female character, simple as
