QOTT - last mmg ever. Enjoy it boys.
>>38015362huh?
Iwnbaw, I'm a sick fucking joke. I'm ugly and just look like a weird man no matter what I do. My hair is a mess and people just think I'm a fucking faggot. I need 100k for extensive ffs, I should just fucking kms. I started too late. I'm not good enough to catch up atp.
I will never be a woman- i am a sick fucking guy!I’m hot despite looking like a weird man, no matter what i do…My hair is expensive and well kept so people probably just think i’m a fucking faggot!I need 200k for a down payment on a house and a new car, I hope I get into college for next year!I am good enough… i think hahahahahaha
>>38015362I'm a woman.
>>38015362did i understand something wrong? i thought manmoders were like boymoders but neverpassers with no hope of not being a hon if they try to socially transition
>>38015543Manmoders are males on hrt who choose not to socially transition
how do I stop being manipulated so easily
crazy how this is the only thread on the board not filled with 17 year olds
>>38015543That is the correct definition, even if fakemoders and reppers get confused.
>>38015543that's accurate, but lots of people get that wrong because they are either told or believe they failed to transition successfully or are detransitioning for other reasons or they're too scared or feel like they're not good enough to put effort into honmoding or even trying to passmaybe it's a temporary thing to some people, a stepping stone or a failure condition or just a fallback, but to me it was the desination because it's been about defining and becoming myself on my own terms (which with my circumstances and preferences lands me as a "gender" dysphoric he/him amab on hrt)
so i went to my exam without studying and without showering and without shaving on two hours of sleep and no water or food for 48 hours and drug withdrawals and three days late on my injection fuck my stupid retarded manmoder chungus life. i look cute-ish rn though so whatever
I'm wake up from a nap still ugly, still masculine, still depressed. It's over.
>>38016626mogs me
>>38016712dail pain
>>38016712tfw you have the passoid fever dream again and wake up male male male
>>38016803ive never had thisi think my soul knows the reality of it all
>>38016828i wish my soul could accept maleness like yours
Idk how anybody does this. I wish I could at least just convince myself I look fine. I can't even look at myself.
>>38016874its not really that good
>>38016878Just looksmaxx its not that hard
why did i troon with these measurements. i had ABNORMALLY SMALL hips for a MALE. even with +3 inches from 2 years of hrt I AM STILL IN THE MALE RANGE. ALL BECAUSE I WAS RAPED AT 18 and WENT INSANE FOR THREE YEARS LOSING MY HIP GROWTH WINDOW. BUT I CAME OUT WHEN I WAS 11 AND I COULD HAVE AVOIDED IT ALL IF I DIDNT HAVE ABUSIVE PARENTS WHO REPEATEDLY FORCED ME TO REPRESS AMONG OTHER THINGS. I WAS SO CLOSE AND MY REWARD FOR SURVIVING ALL THIS HORROR IS TO BE A MAN FOREVER UNTIL MY LAST CHROMOSOME DECOMPOSES. god is dead
>>38016935Were your parents actually abusive or just didn’t give you hrt at 11 ?
>>38016952actually abusive. my father hit my mother a few times and it was generally a scary environment for me to live in. also not giving a child who comes out multiple times hrt is abuse
>>38016970Yikes, domestic violence is a traumatizing environment to grow up in. srry that happened
>>38016985im going to pray until i cant see straight and pass out on my bed
>>38016996Prayer is nice, its kind of like journaling but in your head
>>38017006so true
The ftm at my sons school said he liked my hair and gave me a genuine smile. It made me feel nice, and was really needed rn.>>38016931Yeah I need to get back into this mindset. That's what I've been doing for the majority of my transition. Just focusing on getting hotter. I have road bumps though where i just feel extremely ugly and overly masc. When my confidence is down, so is everything about me. Need to get my confidence back and get back on track with gym, diet, overall healthy routine I had going.
>>38016952>implying not giving your trans kid hrt at 11 isn't abuse.
>>38016970>also not giving a child who comes out multiple times hrt is abusetrueI'm probably not ever going to forgive my parents for that but I wonder sometimes if I can or should
>>38017181it depends on if they deserve it
I just malefailed getting my oil changed. Maybe it's not so bad.
>>38017174It isn’t abusive.
>>38017433It's extreme abuse.
>>38017448Idk, i was verbally and physically abused from a young age up until 16 and my best friend was raped by her dad from pre-k to like age 12Not giving your child hormomes of the opposite sex isn’t the same thing or even close to what abuse victims endure…..….Yeah it isn’t nice to deny your kid medications that they want and probably need, but in my HUMBLE opinion age 11 is too young to diagnose sex dysphoria, as most of the changes from puberty havent even started yetCan i ask why you find an issue with this? -_-
>>38017475dunno i only got to start hrt when i moved out at 20 and i was sexually abused as a kid and tbhon i think if i had started hrt around the time i was raped id be fine now
>>38017475>denying life saving medication isnt abusiveif it was any other disease you wouldnt say this
>>38017494Srry that happened, you are really strong for surviving all that- a lot of SA victims don’t make it that farHm…. i think starting earlier is always better, especially for MTF’s. don’t beat yourself up about not starting earlier
>>38017504Life-saving is kind of a reach, lol. Hrt for sure enhances quality of life similar to SSRI’s or OCD meds. but i don’t think anyone has died from not taking HRT- if i am wrong please let me know
>>38017543>but i don’t think anyone has died from not taking HRTdoes suicide not exist? like what tranny reaches 18 without an attempt
>>38017475I was physically and emotionally abused by my dad my whole child and teenage life. I was raped by a cousin over a decade older than me when I was I'm preschool. And sexually abused by another in elementary. I know what fucking abuse is, trust me bitch.>probably needNo, actually need. Trans people need hrt. Simple as. Dysphoria doesn't start with puberty, it's enhanced by it. I know because I had dysphoria before I started puberty. It's literally life saving medicine, and it's better to start early. Denying your kid that is abuse.>>38017543You can't be serious? People rope all the time for this exact reason, not to mention the trans people who rope because they started late and can't handle the features puberty or adulthood gave them.
>>38017553Oh. well um i have never tried to kill myself.. i wonder how many in this thread have actually attempted desuu
>>38017583unironically kill yourself
>>38017583i have, but a guy saw me trying to climb the railing and talked me down.
>>38017568<3 <3 <3Sorry i think my intent is not being reflected in my choice of wordsSorry that happened to you <\\3>probably needBy this i meant that its hard to diagnose sex dysphoria until puberty starts… like “probably” is just to signify that some kids that want hrt at that age grow out of it while others do not is all i meant
>>38017599I am happy you’re still here, it is weird how you can know people for years who just add misery to your life but a total STRANGER can do more of a positive impactThe world works very weirdly lol
>>38017568nta but ehh you're pushing it a little to say it's always abuse. it can be complicated, parents may think they know best when they don't sometimes, they may be worrying about what if the kid is wrong and this ruins my child's life, they may have misconceptions about what being trans means and want to save their kid from it.i know intent only matters so much, but in this case i just see a lot of ways it could happen non-abusively. my mom instead of helping me get on hormones talked me into keeping it a secret in fear that the rest of the family would reject me as a freak. she was wrong and i wish she hadn't done that, but i don't consider that abuse. she was genuinely worried about my future and well being if i started hrt
>>38017642you were emotionally abused by your mother even if you dont realize it. + neglect (parents not bothering to do any research on hrt or understand your perspective like responsible people) can have similar consequences to abuse even if it isnt as dramatic. the brain of a child can be traumatized by anything
>>38017475terf
Maybe i am confusing abuse with assault. yeah i guess it is abusive to some extent. although the one ftm detransitioner i know would disagree…. it’s different for MTF’s though right
>>38017686Confident mentally healthy individual
>>38017543>Life-saving is kind of a reachgood thing all the medical and scientific experts disagree with you in the face of decades of studies and clinical experience suggesting it is VERY much life-savingwhy do idiots like you seem to be drawn here? this is not "gender critical general">>38017583>hurrr it didn't happen to me therefore it's not realtypicalyou're all the fucking same, every fucking time
>>38017543>41% >41%>41% >41%>41% >41%>41% >41%>41% >41%>41% >41%>41% >41%>41% >41%>41% >41%>41% >41%>41% >41%>41% >41%where do you think these numbers come from? do you think trannies kill themselves as a fun pastime?
>>38017711in mmg?????
>>38017703oh it's you! haha of course it's you, why am I even surprised
could you imagine being the kind of person that leverages their own history of abuse to troll sad retards on 4chan. i cant
I guess this just what the general is now, anti-trans bait, really boring
>>38017714> therefore it's not realI literally asked “i wonder if anyone else in the thread has attempted”, so exacrly how am i saying its not real ?>>38017719Find evidence to support that statistic and then i will entertain it>>38017733Who am i trolling?
I really wanna end it all to escape the pain of being a man, or it least just go back to repping and go really hard at it this time. But somehow I wound up getting a beautiful passoid gf-albeit severely mentally ill (actually diagnosed by professionals with DID, BPD, and some others). Over the year and a half we've been together I've come to care for her deeply. She's my whole world and I can't do something that would hurt her. She does her best to reassure me and support me through all the dysphoria and hopelessness but at the end of the day we both know I'll be stuck as a man forever. I'm not sure what to do. I've visited her but we're still long distance until I can move out to her state around January/February. I don't wanna hurt her but I just cannot go on living in this body.
>>38017764iktf
>Find evidence to support that statisticnope you'll just say you don't like that
>>38017642Your mother should have been more accepting, open and more knowledgeable of lgbt people. Same with my parents. It's so easy to figure out what trans is, and what to do with trans kids.>>38017703True non trans detransitioners should be helped and I feel for them. But they are significantly lower percentage of the trans population compared to those who hrt benifits extremely. And ultimately they chose to transition, the trans kids with parents not allowing them to transition simply ask for the same chance. And should be allowed it.
>>38017778?There is no evidence that 41% of transexuals OR gender dysphoric individuals attempt or commit suicide, i have looked for it before..
>>38017686i was abused by my mother and by my father as well, and systematically neglected in a way i would consider abusive. i know what that felt like.my mom's reaction to me wanting to start hrt wasn't abuse. it was fear and concern and love for me, mixed with an ignorant mistake. she was supportive at a direct level she just scared me out of it with talk about other peoples' reactions. if i'd pushed harder it might have changed the outcomethere is a way of reacting that is abusive and happens in more phobic households, but i think parents denying hrt is often a fuzzy situation like that and not just a flat "no you can't"
>>38017791you didn't look for it because it's literally right there if you type it into google, don't pretend
>>38017790>It's so easy to figure out what trans is, and what to do with trans kidsbear in mind i had this conversation with her in 2012. it was a bit different then. not as much awareness.if i was 14 again in 2024 and came out to her now she'd book me an hrt appointment on the spot lol
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/transpop-suicide-press-release/https://transhealthproject.org/resources/medical-organization-statements/https://www.hrc.org/resources/get-the-facts-on-gender-affirming-carewow that was so hard, really just "asking questions" a lot lately aren't you? lol
>>38017793you were abused and are trying to cope with abuse by pretending it didn’t happen which is fair i guess but be fr. how do you isolate your mother manipulating you into being closeted (for her social benefit) from the pattern of abuse you suffered at her hands the entire time?
>>38017813This is just the abstract from the first google result but already the “evidence” is shoddy- it is a self reported statistic, relative to the sample pool.
omgdon't you ever get tired of larping as one of the good onesyou are following the exact same script as a /pol/ tourist or a "gender-critical" """ally""" lol nobody buys it
>show me evidence>no you'll just say you don't like it>gets shown evidence>doesn't like it or agree with itgood thing your opinion isn't worth shit
>>38016935You’re supposed to control for height when you compare these measurements, dumbass
Why does having an opinion that doesn’t align with a pamphlet from HRC mean i am trying to be “one of the good ones” ?The statistic for 41% originates from a 7,000 person self-reported study. so parroting it as if it’s a fact is incorrect, that is just me being objective
>>38017861it’s a ratio retard
>>38017283No it just means you now have the downsides of being a tranny with none of the upsides
>>38017475>waiting until the damage is already done to diagnose a fear of the damageWow genius plan, doctor octopus
>>38017828>how do you isolate your mother manipulating you into being closeted (for her social benefit) from the pattern of abuse you suffered at her hands the entire time?well you're reading a motivation there i don't think was present for one. my mom wasn't trying to stop me she was worried about me. she showed me pictures on facebook of some friend she had who took hrt and then semi-detransed to a theyamab and was like "well if you just want to be more feminine look at this, maybe you don't need hrt?" she was fine with me being a freak, her worries were about permanent changes to my body and about other family losing their shit if i asked to be called by a girl's name.she also wasn't abusive for my whole childhood. i had a really rough early childhood with her in basically a trap house, but by this time she'd been clean for years, i was living with my dad and seeing her on summers, she was carrying a lot of guilt about past things and basically uber supportive all the time to compensate. my mom was the safe parent at this point when this conversation happened. so that's mainly why it feels so distinct from the abuse i went through with her earlier in life, or elsewise from my dad
>>38017891don't lol it's bait stop replying
>>38017553Hate to break it to you but most trannies don’t attempt ever
>self-reported evidence in surveys isn't real evidence and can't be used for anythingSTOP THE PRESSES! QUICKLY WE HAVE TO BACK AND TELL ALL THE SCIENTISTS AND DOCTORS THAT THEY WERE WRONG BECAUSE A TERF DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THAT COUNTS!
>>38017894i still think youre coping but i guess it’s not my place to say. god bless you and please stop doing abuse comparisons to minimize other people’s feelings.
>>38017905yeah about 60% of them, the "41%" thing is lifetime attempts (but of course if you really want you can just arbitrarily decide that groups of people are lying, a lot like blanchard, and throw out or massage that data based on that assumption)
>>38017873>7000 peopleunless there were substantial issues with sample selection bias this is actually an unusually good size for a statistical study. most population studies and surveys use a much smaller group and still get accurate dataalso if it's just stretching your credulity because it seems too much, do remember the statistic includes attempts. i attempted pretrans and survived, so i'm part of the 41% technically lol
>>38017923>please stop doing abuse comparisons to minimize other people’s feelingswtf??i was not doing that and don't appreciate that implication. i was literally just saying "parents denying a kid hrt is not categorically always an act of abuse"and i am ALSO an abuse survivor not just talking at survivors from an unknowing perspective
>>38017908I am not a feminist and i love trans women, passable or not- part of why i am against transitioning children who haven’t started puberty yet And no, self-reported evidence alludes to a mental health crisis in the trans community. but if you are framiliar with research you’d understand that “41” is an arbitrary numberYes a lot of trannies are suicidal. i was for yearsBut if yoh are going to make such a huge deal about objectivity and citing evidence, dont be hypocritical
>>38017934>i attempted pretrans and survived, so i'm part of the 41% technically lolsame, kinda fucked up to be told my life experience and that of others even in empirically and scientifially consistent ways that corroborate the reality and observations aren't real by someone who just thinks because they got lucky that others can't be experiencing something worsesame kind of person who might, ohhh I don't know, say that minorities aren't at higher risk of violence and discrimination and that you shouldn't care about them (or might actively defend gatekeeping trans people who are just fetishists based on criteria he can't define but insists is self-evident)
>>38017952you have been doing that this entire thread
>>38017963>if you are framiliar with research you’d understand that “41” is an arbitrary numberwhat do you even think you're trying to say? you're trying way too hard again and it comes across that you're not even putting any thought into what you're saying, just being a "skeptic" or "contrarian" by denying reality and attacking your peersI'd say do better but I think we both know you can't :)
>>38017968>i said it so it's truei did NOT do what you're saying but w/e okay then i guess this is no longer a conversation :p
>>38017952>parents denying a kid hrt is not categorically always an act of abuselol
>>38017976>what do you even think you're trying to say? I am trying to say that while a lot of trannies are suicidal, it is not factual to state that “forty one percent of transgender individuals have attempted suicide” It isn’t factual, because i can’t find any concrete evidence to support the statisticStatistics like this are good indicators, but they are not facts.
>>38017941go away
>>38017873what's the actual problem with that single study or the many others corroborating it? be specific about what's wrong or what differs from the standards of evidence used for medicine in comparable fields, otherwise you're just parroting the Cass report's ideological double standards
>>38018015why aren't surveys and self-report good evidence? what is the alternative, and how do you collect that?
should i buy vodka tomorrow? that's when i get money
>>38018014I didn't look for trouble, some retard just started spouting weird anti-reality anti-scientific anti-trans shit here again
anyway, even if you can get over the 41% thing that doesn't change the overwhelming and long-established concrete evidence for the fact that gender-affirming care saves lives because untreated gender dysphoria makes you statisically and clinically significantly more likely to an hero
idk i just wish something was different. i wish i could be happy. i wish my life didnt end as a preteen and i wish that whenever i desperately attempted to survive i wasnt immediately punished by a dangerous world that i cant understand. i wish i was never born
>>38018022Sorry, i don’t know what the CASS report even isI’d think (i am ignorant so i dont know for sure) that in medicine they would take statistics from clinical research. the self reported statistic doesn’t account for the sample group, the demographics (age, socioeconomic shit, etc) of the sample group either….>>38018027Like i said they are good indicators but not factualMaybe that is a bit spergy of me but i like facts to be concrete>how to collectI have no clue how it would be accurately collected, which is part of why i have an issue with people parroting stuff like this as if its factual
>>38017875The ratio is useless in a vacuum, if you have broad shoulders and the raw number are small for your height, a good ratio still won’t make you pass. You ALWAYS use height as the control when comparing.
>>38018041suck my sweaty balls
>>38018090ok? i have fine upper body measurements (feminine, bordering on androgynous) and a horrible waist:hip which prevents me from passing. who are you teaching? stop acting male
>>38018049I agree that hrt is life saving medication the same as SSRI’s or OCDCan’t even begin to fathom how miserable i would be if i didn’t have access to it either
Anybody wanna makeout? I'm serious
>>38018067omg lolstop trying to play word games, you clearly lack the capacity and can't actually articulate what you think is wrong... you just keep repeating that self report or survey is not "factual" but can't explain what you mean by that or even present some kind of process or logical error or issue that would lead you to question the results - maybe consider NOT posting your "hot takes" or whatever until you can actually fucking substantiate them?you know else does this? whines about something based on vibes while attempting to tear down every piece of evidence handed to them in an ideologically self-inconsistent ways? people who need to deny reality to push their anti-trans agendas: TERFs, r*ghtoids, and bl*nchardists
i wish i could love someoneor at least get some friendly human touch
>>38018117I am male, if I don’t mansplain to you, you’ll continue to use this as an excuse not to fix your mental. Stop posting shitty misleading charts.
>>38018125ASL?
>>38018144are you retarded?
>>38018125would if i weren't shit
>>38018009i mean just read the posts i wrote about it before that, i listed several ways this could play out and gave a real anecdotal example of a case where it wasn't.it's abuse to believe your kid is genuine in their desire to transition and try to crush it out of them instead of providing hrt. it's abuse to try to gaslight them out of those feelings or to take active steps to make sure they can't take hrt. and it's abuse to mistreat them for it, obviouslyto be a parent who is uninformed about trans things and pushes against hrt out of a worry for their child's well-being, that is CLEARLY NOT abuse. it's a mistake, a huge one, it deserves an apology later, but it's not an act of abuse.the internet has stretched the idea of what constitutes abuse to such a breaking point. everybody has a victim complex about everything that's ever happened to them now
>>38018157wowwww! the TERF moves on to victim-blaming AND defending the abusers! classic
>>38018133>can't explain what you mean by thatIt isn’t factual because a self reported survery of 7000 people is not representative of a global population of transgendered peopleCan’t we just agree that a lot of trannies are suicidal and HRT prevents that and is good? why do you have to be “right”?
>>38018152The ratio you’re fixating on is irrelevant without the context of other factors, which were entirely omitted from the chart.
>>38018175do you have actual brain damage?
>>3801815033,kindacuteandrogynousfaggotthing,MN usa.
>>38018183a small man with male ratios is still a man. is that impossible for you to conceive?
please please please stop, slow down, and READ and actually THINK before you reply
>>38018196>>38018208Every time i make a point you just call me dumb or insult me- either explain why what i said is incorrect or get the fuck out of my dms bitch
>>38018218youre literally being so obtuse you dont understand how statistics work and you refuse to look it up and just say ridiculous things how do you expect her to respond
>>38018165dude i'm not a terf if you paid any attention to this chain of replies i thought it was clear that i'm an mtf on hrt.but look, it is not abuse not to know. it is not abuse not to go do extensive research after>kid brings thing up once>conversation seems to change their mind>they don't bring it up againespecially not if they don't realize how serious and important this stuff can be (which if they don't know much about trannies, they won't)abuse isn't anything that doesn't work out perfectly for you (and everyone involved was the abuser), and in fact that mentality is one actual abusers often hold and cudgel their victims with. more importantly tho it's just baby asf.if you had actual abuse in your own life relating to parents denying hrt then i'm sorry that happened, but that's also not the same as what i'm talking about. your experience isn't universal.and if you don't and this just struck too close to home, then lowkey you're being a baby and should grow up and take a little responsibility :p
>>38018218bitch this is a public forumI don't have to "be right" because it wasn't MY claim, I was getting into it with you over challenging well-established facts and going off on unrelated tangents that both have nothing to do with even defining let alone supporting the basis for your challenge and echo the exact same rhetorical schoolyard bully illogic being used by anti-trans activists and pushed in real courtrooms to pass real laws that make the lives of real people worse - all while displaying a fundamental lack of understanding of medicine, science, and statistics or their applications and use in the real worldin short, you fucking suck and are so DESPERATE to be a contrarian that you are behaving like a subhuman tourist including by repeating (verbatim) or defending the most common anti-trans talking points>>38018254>abuse isn't anything that doesn't work out perfectly for younobody claimed that but definitionally, even if you just didn't know better, denying your kid treatment for a problem that could cost them their livfe and reduces their quality of life is abuse - honestly not sure why that's controversial in any way whatosever unless you're specifically making the argument that kids shouldn't be put on hormones using some very bad faith "logic"
sex with post ffs manmoders
sex with your putrefying corpse still covered in grave dirt
>>38018276giwtwm
>>38018243I looked it up! i mostly understand how statistics work, is why i understand that they can be inaccurate. what about what i said was ridiculous or incorrect? i’d like to know
>Life-saving is kind of a reach, lol. Hrt for sure enhances quality of life similar to SSRI’s or OCD meds. but i don’t think anyone has died from not taking HRT- if i am wrong please let me knowit's like you can't even remember what you yourself said
>>38018276i'll soon have enough for cheap ffs :3
as if that would save you, you fucking ork
I’m stuck here in the looney bin with all the freaks!!!
bonk
>>38018276I'll be so fucking hot when I get ffs. Like seriously, it's over for these bitches at that point. I'll never be able to afford it though.>>38018319Good shit. I debate shit ffs sometimes. Could definitely get a loan for that I think. But I want one of the good ones.
>>38018312OmgBy “life saving” i meant like a physical condition where you can die just by not being on medicationLike cancer or diabetes or a tetanus shot
>>38018304post hole>>38018323why are you so mean?also fucking use your name you coward
>>38018341abhor the namefag
>>38018275>denying your kid treatment for a problem that could cost them their livfe and reduces their quality of life is abusemy point is that parents don't always know what a big deal it is, and if the kid doesn't make that clear enough (especially if they only bring it up once and take a no as a defeat until 18 like i did) then the parent also has no reason to go do research about it.abuse also comes out of ignorance, but an ignorant reaction is not always an abusive one.cases like my mom are rarer now -- like i said, in 2024 if i was 14 again she'd get me on the hormones -- but even with trannies everywhere in the zeitgeist i would put money down that it does still happen. people, especially older people, aren't always paying attention. some of my relatives who barely tune into the news or use the internet probably wouldn't even know trans people exist if they didn't know me
>>38018347>victim blaming continuesyou're fucking disgusting
digits and durian gets murdered by immigrants/hatecrimed/ropes
>>38018347Don’t worry, you are being rational- you are definitely not wrong. thank you for being objective, it is nice to see in this thread
>>38018319sex with post ffs durian
>>38018362he's being purely subjective and WORD FOR WORD repeating terf rhetoric, don't defend that shit lol
>>38018347>denying hrt isnt abuse because uhhh when i went through it i didnt think it was abusive. also here’s my 10000 word essay on why YOU didnt experience abuse and should just get over it or stop complaining
murder suicide with post ffs chudette
>>38018197You in the St. Paul area or what?
This thread sucks! I didn't actually think it'd be the last mmg when I made it:(
>>38018382same shit when he was defending blanchoid logic and telling us to stop worrying about minorities and trans peopel under trump, liek I'm telling you it's the same shit as "libertarians" with their I-got-mine attitude, it's not even just callous or indifferent it's actually cruel because it's built on assuming others are lying or inferior based purely on your own experience (but he won't ever challenge himself to consider that and instead defaults to whatever affirms his biases, which is very typical of this kind of person)honestly shocked I haven't seen him throw out a "pull yourself up by your bootstraps"
>>38018275okay i will also say, abuse did still play a role. if my dad had reacted the way my mom did it might have encouraged me to push again with both of them. but i was afraid of my dad and never even told him, so without my mom's help i gave up and tried to get it covertly through my therapist (who was no help)but like, if i had been single parented by my mom or something, and a little less willful, i can see a scenario where her reaction might still have stopped me from getting on hrt, which makes me see the likelihood of that scenario playing out.>>38018349the blame goes more on circumstances. missing information, miscommunication, misaligned timing. not necessarily the kid's fault or the parent's in such cases, sometimes just an unfortunate occurrence. you can't blame a parent for literally just lacking a piece of crucial knowledge they never had a chance to acquire.although sometimes, yk, people don't try hard enough. my later transition was a bit my fault, i could have pushed my mom harder. i own that and so should anyone else who had a similar circumstance. it's not victim-blaming to tell people to take ownership of the role they played in their own lives, or the role circumstances played, without leaping to blame a villain at every opportunityand again i am not denying REAL abuse. it's just not always abuse
>>38018402More near Minneapolis. But yes:) are you here too?
>>38018205You just said you have a feminine torso, and you mentioned nothing about the ratio of your biacromial breadth to your hip breadth, so no I don’t really believe you when you say you you’re doomed based on having a flat ass, sorry.
>>38018381rolling>>38018398dubs and i'll rope before ffs and haunt larry
>>38018382>>38018406why are you all being so hostile and uncharitably misreading everything i sayis this just one bitter person or are you all this fucked in the head from manmode self-trauma that you can't see anything outside the lens of abuser-victim dynamics??
>>38018276Isn’t this basically just butch lesbian sex?
>>38018413>leaping to blame a villainright well I don't think anyone was doing thatdefining child abuse, even if it's out of ignorance, is not leaping to blame a villain - getting defensive about calling it out as child abuse, however, is what someone who specifically wanted to instead blame the child for not communicating or knowing their needs better and insist the parent has no fault or responsibility does (ie, victim blaming)>>38018439you have the shittiest takes bro shut the fuck up terf racist blanchoid anti-scientist whatever hyperbolic label makes you angriest
>>38018413>so abused you were too scared to ask twice for something you desperately needed>the end result is you post insane shit to troll sad girlfailures on 4chanyou were abused and your life sucks as a result and no amount of denial will cover the very obvious fact that youre a victim of intense manipulation and gaslighting (+ all the physical abuse) even down to the way you think
>>38018419Are you friends with a girl named Kim by any chance?
>>38018450fuck I don't know maybe I should be less harsh if that's what this is rooted in, he's obviously projecting his copes onto others - that's like a therapy breakthrough moment right here
>>38018406Nigga that anon is NOT ME, you are fighting with multiple people you idiotWhy are you obsessed with me jesus>>38018439>is it just one personYes and he is probably drunk and or high and he does this every single day- just made bee cry yesterday i think
>>38018406>when he was defending blanchoid logic and telling us to stop worrying about minorities and trans peopel under trumpwait hang on i didn't fully read this before replying but whati think you're thinking i am someone elsei am a tranny i come here occasionally because i am a tomboy who presents masc-ish and kind of curious to the idea of well-adjusted manmodewhoever you're referring to saying these things isn't me i don't like trump or blanch dressing>>38018444see above
>>38018432>biacromial breadth to your hip breadthimpossible to measure accurately without calipers. have a shoulder circumference buttock circumference chart instead
>>38018477>>is it just one person>Yes and he is probably drunk and or high and he does this every single day- just made bee cry yesterday i thinko dang okay. well i hope he has a better day tomorrow then.good to know tho thanks, i feel less dogpiled knowing that lol
>>38018487I don’t support trump or ray blanchards work either- but he thinks i do so therefore it must be factual
>>38018463No I'm not. Really just starting recently trying to make trans friends. But who knows, maybe I've talked with them on grindr before.
>>38018511keksomehow every gen has that guy it's like a universal constant
>>38018487ok then my bad, same tier of shitty take and the namefag won't namefag consistently so I mistook the two veins of discussion for the same poster - child abuse is still abuse even if you don't know it at the time (because that isn't attributing malevolence or not)>>38018506it's literally not just me lol I'm just tilted at this retard because he's going hard on the "sort by controversial" type posts lately
how do i stop looking like joey ramone
How do i stop looking hot sexy and fly
and all the moders say im pretty fly for a white guy
>I don’t support trump or ray blanchards work eitherunironically no, of course you don't! you just tell people off for asking or suggesting that things got worse under trump for trans people and other minorities and will or already are again, and parrot the same logic blanchard used in gatekeeping trans people and defending his pre-defined conclusions by fraudbut it's a lot funnier to run with that since you're so shitty about your lukewarm takes, trump-supporting blanchardist :)
Rolling for big hot muscle chick who loves to makeout naked.
>>38018579rolling
>>38018554>things got worse for trans people under trumpI’d argue the social climate has gotten much worse for trans people since 2020>parrot the same logicNigga i don’t believe in the hsts or agp dichotomy and never have>defending his pre-definded conclusionsWhich? i dont remember ever doing this
rolling for anybody who will accept me as i am
molesting fakemoders (consensually)
i don't wanna be buriedin a man semataryi don't want to 'mode my life againnn
>>38018577yay!i'll rope before ffs but would've pass if i got it instead of being dead
>>38018595RollingI do except you;)
>>38018590you're doing the thing where you don't read or address what sommeone else said, again
>>38018608yea you except me. as in anybody except me is acceptable. GOD PLEASE LET ME GET MARRIED IM BEGGING PLEASE PLEASE PLEASEEEEEE
>>38018621Bud this is kind of frustrating… how!? I responded to every single point that you made. which sentance did i not read or addresss? wtf you are so frustrating D;
>>38018629Lmao I'm dumb sorry. I accept you!<3
>>38018533>child abuse is still abuse even if you don't know it at the time (because that isn't attributing malevolence or not)by now i feel like you are willfully misconstruing my point but i'll try to re-explain one more time because you're still responding to something i didn't say.yes, abuse is abuse whether it's recognized immediately or later.yes, neglect is abuse. but no, it is not abuse by neglect to be uninformed about something that could potentially better your child's life. just like it wouldn't be abuse for a parent with no knowledge of dental care to buy their kid charcoal toothpaste instead of fluoridated, or how it isn't abuse for parents in remote uncontacted tribes not to get modern medicine for their kids. or heck, just by statistics there are trannies born in those tribes sometimes. trannies who will never know of or access hrt, whose parents will never know it could be offered to them, who will miss an opportunity in their lives because of that. very similar. but also very obviously not parental abuse.if those examples don't make you get it idk what else to say
>>38018648>it is not abuse by neglect to be uninformed about something that could potentially better your child's lifeeven when that thing can potentially kill them? you're being disingenuous and making false comparisons, not cool
>>38018640lolliterally no u, >budyou communicate like a rightoid and it fucking sucks
>>38018664I don’t have a political party i affiliate myself with, they all suck
>>38018694and you just did it again... lol... let me guess you're a registered "Independent" and think that's the same as Unafilliated
>>38018648can i ask why you chose to bring this up when somebody vented about being abused and denied hrt access? and why do you keep continuing
>>38018656>even when that thing can potentially kill them? yes. it's not like the parent knows that. if i turn left instead of right on my drive home but on the right side there was someone bleeding out a couple blocks down whose life i would have saved, did i murder them by turning left not knowing that?or back to uncontacted tribes and modern medicine. the stakes are life and death there. do those parents commit abuse by letting their children die of treatable illnesses, when they don't know cures exist?>you're being disingenuous and making false comparisonshow are these false comparisons? the situational layout is the same>parent could save or help child if they knew X, but they don't know X so they don'tseems you just don't have a real response to it
>>38018716right? isn't that... I mean, idk, at least kinda sus? like literally the same "just asking questions" style of challenge to anything in support of trans people that you see detroon grifters and christian "scientists" go on record repeating in courtI know I assume the worst and lash out based on those presumptions given even a shred of indicative evidence here in a really over the top way as my default behavior but you at least see where I'm coming from>>38018745so you're only interested in semantics and word games? I seewell good news: you can go look up to see if medical and childcare experts, citing studies and clinical experience, agree that it's a form of child abuse in all the ways that matter and contribute to defining label
>>38018716>can i ask why you chose to bring this up when somebody vented about being abused and denied hrt access? i started replying in the middle of an ongoing conversation. i was just replying to "denying your kid hrt is always abuse">and why do you keep continuingbecause somebody jumped down my throat claiming i was saying a bunch of stuff i wasn't and being really ornery at me, and it got on my nerves lol
>>38018753you continue to not read the words or ideas i put in front of you and argue at a straw mani give up, you're hopeless>"sort by controversial" type postsi let this slide before but now you've earned itgo back
>>38018703I am canadian, i am not registered as anything. in the next election i am thinking of voting green (canada has four or five major parties i believe)
>>38018753i appreciate you>>38018777maybe learn how to shut up?
I feel like chuddy and Murphy fight posts should be labeled at this point.
>>38018790>go backsorry, no, you don't get to no u me calling you reddit without me literally just going >no ufaggot
>>38018827Yeah sorry i am going to try and stop engaging. its just that literally every thing i say he criticizes or spergs out aboutThe obsession is real …. hard not to respond to slander but i will try for the sake of the thread
>>38018793please vote strategically for whoever will beat the conservative in your district even if it means voting for your garbage liberal party. poilievre is going to finish the hit job on the canadian healthcare system i fear
hello girl what are we doing tonight
>>38018847maybe stop spouting your shitty takes about how HRT isn't actually life-saving and you just "disagree" with the standards for evidence in medicine and science and I'll stop insulting you, you racist blanchist terfist retard :)
will anything happen if i go to the gym as a manmoder
blasting cigs with >30 yo manmoders
>>38018813>maybe learn how to shut up?wow wow wow abuse muchbut no sorry i lost that ability when i transitioned from shy boy to insufferable bitch>>38018842>>go back>sorry, no, you don't get to no u me calling you reddit without me literally just going>>no u>faggotsorry, no, you don't get to no u me calling me faggot calling me no u calling you reddit without me literally just going>no ufaggot
>>38018878im stupid is that younger or older thani assume older but i never actually learned how that works
>>38018849Oh he is going to win for sure just due to all the country-wide hate for trudeau. if the libs wanted a chance at winning they would appoint a new leader (idk how this process works)..My strategy is that if more people start voting green (especially young ppl) it will show up in the statistics, and people will start taking the green party more seriously
>>38018890I honestly have no idea how it works up there, but here in the good ol' US of A our third parties won't ever amount to shit until we dump the winner-takes-all two-party shit for universal ranked choice voting at every level of government
unironically yes
>>38018888the bigger number goes on the open sidethe smaller number goes on the pointy side
>>38018859I gotta work, but I just got this girls number and disc that's also looking for friends, so gonna see how the conversation is tonight.
>>38018883>wow wow wow abuse muchthat’s actually not funny and i’d like you to stop even if you have fun antagonizing chudette
>>38018875You'll get into shape and be hotter than you are now. Go to the gym!>>38018878Cigs are gross. But we can hang out if you promise to smoke outside.
>>38018890that was my strategy with greens and libs in the US but i have grown jaded about third party survivability in first-past-the-post voting systems. i've come to feel like third party and independent advocates need to clump together and call as a unit for ranked voting systems, then go back to niche-ing once it's made viablethen again i know it's a bit different in canada and the uk with how competitive your ridings and their MP constituencies are, the fact that people show up for third parties keeps them influential. so idk maybe you should vote green to keep it from turning into how it is here :')i just don't want to see the conservatives back in office wrecking shit and probably being all buddy buddy with trump and his oil agenda too
>>38018925actually ur wrong its funny because i have been shut up abusively many timesit's daaaaark humor ooOOOoooOo you just lacked the contextnow it's so funny, because i explained it, which always makes jokes funnier
taking a fat estroshit rn
>>38018909..so, older than 30 right?
>>38018931You very clearly know more about how politics work than i do, idk how any of this shit works hahaA conservative leadership will make things harder for people living on social assistance which sucksIdkI feel like the addiction / homelessness problem has soared under the liberals and i am curious how a different party would handle it
>>38018931>third party and independent advocates need to clump together and call as a unit for ranked voting systemsagreed, and this starts at the local level, usually by working together with people in your community who are disproportionately at risk or undeserserved by the two-party establishment to create more spaces in which the idea is being pushed up the chain in parallel to state reps who can be swayed to introduce and vote on larger-scale overhaul to voting systemsif I had more motivation and wasn't such a cringelord hehimhon I'd be considering running or directing some kind of platform to facilitate that and guarantee sanctuary state rights for trannies in the event the night of long rope comes (or to prevent it)
>>38018929>Go to the gym!but i dont want to im retarded and scared of people and dont even know what to do there
>>38018986I get scared going in too. I've actually not been going the past couple days cause I'm too scared with my new hair. But after the first time it gets significantly easier to go each time. Just start off simple with some treadmill. Then when you get more comfortable you can look up a couple exercises that go with what body part you wanna go for.
>>38018915vampy dear why do you keep cheating on me
>>38019031i dont know what body i wantwhatever lol ill always be ugly so who cares
>>38019085just do cardio, squats, hip thrusts, and machines for the rest of your lower body if you want to be more feminine
>>38018967ah well i bet you know more than average and plenty i don't too, i just follow international politics and have an interest in electoral reform. the consequences of being an american, to invest at all in politics here i had to dig down to the root with broken voting systems and corruption. also a personal interest as my mom lives in canada!>I feel like the addiction / homelessness problem has soared under the liberals and i am curious how a different party would handle itthat's reasonable, from what i've seen of your greens and ndp even increasing their coalition share could lead to better solutions there. honestly i wish singh could just be PM i think he would do well leading a coalition with libs and greens.also your greens are pronuclear right? ours are anti and i have to oppose them for it, it drives me crazy .-.>starts at the local level100% agreed. this works especially well in the US too, because we have pretty robust local and state democracies, and levers the cities can pull on their states, and a big lever the states can pull on the constitution or at least threaten to pull to wake the feds up. grassroots is the way to go generally too i think, mass movement is needed for electoral and corruption reform since the legislators have a vested interest in the status quo>if I had more motivation and wasn't such a cringelord hehimhon I'd be considering running or directing some kind of platformif you're also american keep your eyes open, i have some plans that will need some recruits amd i'm hoping for a viral splash. can't say more but i have ideas on how we can pull the right levers. if you're canadian or elsewhere i suggest looking for the key levers in your country and building something similar, every western democroligarchy is a gordian knot waiting to be cut rnexcept switzerland switzerland is kino
>>38019141>if you're also american keep your eyes open, i have some plans that will need some recruits amd i'm hoping for a viral splash. can't say more but i have ideas on how we can pull the right levers.lol, lmao even
>>38018971oop second part of >>38019141 was to (you), from>>starts at the local level
>>38018632it'll be nice :) just imagine me scaring you to jump from a cliff so we can be ghost pals>>38018878surealways wanted to try smoking
>>38019154yeah yeah yuk it up. and when it comes i'm sure you'll have no idea it was some 4troon you interacted with once who was responsible, i won't even be one of the public faces. but you have no idea what irons i have in the fire my friend ;p
>>38019085what if you could be not ugly though have you considered thismaybe you arent ugly in the first place
>>38019173god bless the manmoder military god bless our troops
>>38019204o7
el rata alada...
i want a pussy so muchdon't even want to use it but still
>>38019053Because you don't live near me and I want attention and affection. Come to me though and we'll makeout.>>38019085Listen to >>38019123That's all I've done this year and it's improved my body a lot.
>>38019197no i couldntyes i am
>>38018894You look sexier than u did before, could choice brother =D
>>38018894crazy mofoget a wig and get on hrti'm 20x more manmoder than you btw
could choice is crazy im sorry
Sex with moapchan
i think i should get ffs with qassemyarok-ish with jaw, pretty good rhino, and brow a blind monkey with a scalpel can do a reasonable jobstill need more money :(
>>38018894You've masculinized a bit these past couple months. Only getting harder.
>>38019515Ew do you want to look like cheese
>>38019532ofc i would?dumb question
>>38019460she the kinda of autistic cutiei fw and give tons of love but shes german (racist) so better avoid
>>38019549Wow… choices haha
>>38019660you realize how i look now, right?besides cheese is a qt
>>38018389>post ffsnever
>>38019593she's a pole living in germany tho
>>38019729>polethats worse
i wish you lived in sweden so i could force feminize youdon't worry i'll release you into the wild after 5 years
>>38019770im west of you
I don't want to be a tranny anymore
>>38019886tough shit none of us do
I actually am fine with being a tranny. Just dont wanna be a clocky unpassing one.
>>38019818you should come visit sometime>>38019886same :(
>>38019886detransition and rep healthily is probably the smart choice
>>38019886understandable but you are one even if you're repressing it, sorry, shit sucks
>>38019886not me though the only people i can relate to are other trans women
>>38019912>>38019920I'm not ever repressing again
>>38019953based desu
>>38020018Does spain count
i think i succeeded in grinding a not too scratchy xxxf fountain pen nibstill needs testing and adjustments ofc>>38020018hungary
>>38020018spain
>>38020045according to statistics its really accepting
>>38020045Spain because of the architecture and culture, good climate, sexy peoplePortugal is apparently very lgbt friendly too and has a nice live music scene
i look ugly
i am uglyand tiredgn <3
>>38020028>hungaryis on its way back to oldschool soviet fascism and not a very friendly place for trannies
>>38020109Samesies sis. It's not good for me mentally. I need to be pretty, hot, cute, anything but ugly.
>>38020109same worstie but I'm leaning into it and being ugly and weird in ways that make me more "me"
some days when i look masculine in just the right way i love it more than anything
>>38020140>>38020146i want to look female
>>38020136>italy sucksAre you RETARDED woahI guess it is subjective but still…. it is absolutley gorgeous and i want to go so badly for the food and beaches and fabric shoppingI want to vacation in tortoli in a few years
>>38020169uglyness and femaleness are not opposites
>>38019903what would i do in sveden
>>38020231Vietnam is beautiful and those niggas are broke asf, same goes with italy i think
>>38020265but vietnam is cheap and italy is expensive
>>38020200i am not attractive and i don't look femalecc/album#CbKxmGrCc11O
>>38020273Money doesn’t buy beautiful scenery just nice hotels and security Between italy and greece idk which is more beautiful but i want to go to both for sure
>>38020299You know english, come to north america buddy
>>38020296greece is the most beautiful country in the world
>>38020293okay well I didn't say anything about whether you were either, I am suggesting you learn to separate those concepts
>>38020324Pls fly me out to mykonos mommy i will do whatever you want =D
>>38020341Canada is beautiful if you stay away from the border and america is beautiful if you stay away from anything urban Yup i am an absolute loser desu for only speaking one language… i should know spanish but my dad wasnt around much as a kid welp
>>38020335mykonos is ugly and expensive and owned by the mafia
>>38020361>uglyReally? from pictures it looks beautiful>owned by mafiaWho cares
being loved by another man would fix me
>>38020398>Who caresit's expensive
I wanna learn the cool languages like nipponese and kraut and vodkaspeak
>>38020459Oh. well thats part of why i want to goIdk i just want to vacation on islands around the mediterranean Where else do u recommend then
>>38020169I think almost every woman is one of those 3 descriptors. So yes, I want to look female:)
i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man
>Getting to work and realizing I forgot my weed at homeImma need a delivery nice and quick so I can grab that..
>>38020621Are you cute? How is your ass? How well can you take a 5 inch dick?
why am I so afraid to do anything to help myself
i think i found a manmoder in my area probably chuddette but idk what to say to her since im too schizo to talk to
>>38021031Is he on grindr? haha based
>>38021031found where?>>38021039fuck no, I'm not
okay guys what do i say to herworried should i offer her weed?
>>38021111wau checked, also pls weed is $40 an ounce for decent quality with how much everyone has been growing since it went legal
>>38021051Gay is okay pal. i take it you've found the bbc filter already?
>>38021156I'm not saying there's anything wrong with grindr but I literally do not have it in me to make a profile on any kind of dating app, I think the only thing I had up like that still might have been my tagmap for the discord I used in mmg servers
>>38021174You'd get theyfab pussy so quickly bro.. just try it for a weekend
>>38015362fresh bread >>38021257
>>38021195I'm Working On Myself Right Now™
>>38021269why
>>38021296Yeah right
>>38021950lol yeah that's a lie I'm just not over two girls from my past
>>38022196Don’t let oneitis kill you bro you deserve to find happiness too
I am gay and AGP. I am attracted only to men but I get a boner (girlboner, if you will) when I put on panties.I like to give myself facials and pretend it's a guy doing it to me.
>>38022231gaygp
