>>38019382
yes, that's why it's a controlled substance. It acts as a pretty strong performance enhancer

it won't give you the strength that comes from having the skeletal size of a large man, but it can give you male muscular strength

>>38019402
>strength from having skeletal size
being a lanklet just makes you a bigger target. the height is meaningless without muscle beneath it

>>38019382
Kind of? It's not like all cis men have the same muscle strength. Pound for pound you might be disadvantaged as I'm not sure if testosterone can increase muscle density significantly (it definitely increases muscle mass), but also most guys and even people in the world probably aren't doing as much strength training as they should, so gyming it up you'll definitely be above average

Basically train and fight regardless. More strength is actually living life on easy mode and young men just take it as a given

>>38019426
>I'm not sure if testosterone can increase muscle density significantly (it definitely increases muscle mass)
Wait what do you mean by that? How does that work?

>>38019419
there's a big difference between being a lanklet and being 6'4 250lbs with linebacker shoulders
like no, some men will have hands the size and texture of a baseball glove
you can't beat that with just muscle, he also has muscle, and fat, and bones twice as thick as yours
it's just the reality, there will always be people bigger and stronger and some people are born that way. you can't expect to beat genetically gifted cis men.

>>38019426
I mean it wouldn't be worth it if it can't give me the same strength as a cis man my size. The strength disparity is my biggest source of dysphoria.

>>38019565
I think you might be letting the dysphoria get in your head two much because even two men of the same size frame diet and workout routine are not going to also be the same in strength no matter what, nevermind how youre measuring the strengths (upper body or lower body or core) are you trying to enter lifting competitions or trying to beat a man in a brawl?

Seek strength, the rest will follow

>>38019644
Yeah, sure, there will always be people stronger than you. I'd be fine with that if I wasn't guaranteed to be the weakest guy my size in almist all cases.

>>38019644
*whatever the case, seek strength

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>>38019492
baseball glove..
that's cute kid.

>>38019677
No if that was your question then you can definitely be in control to make sure you're not the weakest man in the room, this is also extremely 'malebrained' of you so I suggest getting on this ASAP for the confidence boost. Do whatever it takes to motivate you, listen to goku or Naruto or whoever encouraging you during workouts

>>38019698
Not her, but I like to imagine either a drill sergeant or a smoking hot chick calling me a sissy and kicking me in the gut if I don't do my workouts. That's what gets me going.

>>38019753
>her
kek

>>38020135
well, ftms are generally women. just like women they seek any excuse to avoid improving themselves. see: op in this thread

>>38019382
No, and you'll never be a man.

>>38020327
Why not?

>>38019382
no some of the differences are genetic

>>38019382
unfortunately no. there a major differences in skeleton, muscle attachment, muscle fiber contraction speed, and muscle density (not muscle mass) that will not be changed with testosterone. the gulf between these in biological men and woman is massive, and even going on T will not close these gaps. but you can still pass as male fine with T so who cares?

>>38019684
omg that's so fucking hot. you're obviously a repper or something though right?

>>38020619
And most guys don't work out. Like yes you will never compete with a bigger guy who does, but you will be able to beat a lot of men who don't work out if you are on T and work out.

>>38020747
not really. hot to fantasize about but even roided women don't really even get to the muscle fiber contraction speed of untrained men unless they're elite athletes. they gulf is just that insanely wide.

>>38019382
>can taking T actually give me the same strength as a cis man
no
>or should I rope
no

>>38020769
>unless they're elite athletes
I'm willing to do it. I'm interested in boxing, but would you mean a more team sport? Like football or some shit? I like basketball too, but that's not the best for training to fight.

Ultimately no. Even female athletes are weaker than untrained men

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7253873

>Results indicate that untrained men have greater upper and lower body strength than trained women athletes in terms of both absolute and relative strength.

>>38020797
we're talking like top 1% female professional athletes in the world. some random pooner isn't going to accomplish that, sorry

>>38019382
You can be stronger than probably 60-80% of cis men by taking T and working out consistently. Most people are lazy and out of shape.

>>38020830
Relative strength? lol no. You’d have to be delusional to think that an average man has the relative strength of Simone Biles. And she’s not on T.

>>38020935
this is a well studied area. yes relative strength. just look up any peer reviewed study on the topic

>>38019382
Yeah take a large amount and take steroids and boom you will be massive still small but massive.


>>38020935
Dude she is a gymnastics so yeah every man can take Simone. She is also very short lol my god it's like a midget fighting.

>>38020967
relative strength means you scale it for how tiny she is but even when considering relative strength every peer reviewed study finds untrained men are stronger than female athletes

>>38020797
you should be weightlifting with a goal for mass in mind. follow a bodybuilding routine. you will never be as strong as a real man but you can definitely "look" big which is all that matters

>>38019382
I'm a little twink guy who got attacked by a giant fucking brick house dude once, I won because turns out everyone gets floored when you shoot them in the stomach.
You want strength get a gun retard.

>>38019382
No, but get on T anyway for the sake of passing

love reading threads like these. pooners are such jokes.

Don’t listen to the shut ins ITT. When I was working out regularly I got my max bench up to 225 lbs. You won’t be the strongest guy in the gym, but you’ll be stronger than most guys you meet on the street.

>>38019382
now mtf but pre hrt i couldnt even beat the girls at school in arm wrestling despite running on T. you'll be fine desu

>>38020769
Yeah, the average male is around x10 to x20 times stronger than the average female

>>38019382
Yes, if you work out.

>>38021282
When was that? Elementary school?

>>38020830
Genuinely though why are there so many studies on how women are weaker than men if they aren't using it for like, development of some kind of non-masculinizing variant of testosterone to level the playing field. Is it just to laugh in our faces?

>>38021305
>10x to 20x stronger
Seriously? That much? That can't be right.

>>38022250
the differences in muscle attachment, density, and fast muscle contraction between men and woman are insane and play a huge role in this

>>38022270
Your nuts if you think it's TWENTY TIMES.

>>38022270
Where did you get 10x to 20x from, though? Erm, I'm gonna need a source.

>>38022214
high school/college smartass

>>38022317
You were probably really small for a guy and subconsciously didn't want to win.

>>38021025
Nah. Actual strength is more important than looks.

>>38022354
im 6'3" so i wasnt small unless there's some physics bullshit going on there. my karate class put me up against women who beat my ass. idk how to prove how i felt subconsciously but i have had cis women physically overpower me even times i was terrified and struggling to escape. or even in non competitive stuff i got worse gym class scores on all that dumb national testing whatever. i dunno point is you can be high T and still just a lil bitch if you're built wrong lmao

>>38022413
Well thanks for the hopefuel, I guess. Even if it's canceled out by everything else in this thread.

>>38021264
>225 lbs
That was basically what every guy at my highschool who worked out casually got to.

>>38022236
Seriously though what are the purpose of these

>>38019382
Don't listen to them. The differences between men and women aren't as drastic as you'd think. Hormones affect A LOT, and they can be changed. If anything, the difference between cis man and trans man strength is negligible, accounting for size.

>>38022552
Keep coping ig

>>38022236
>>38022491
Society wants to believe that with effort and drugs, AFaBs can match AMaBs.
Every day, groups WANT a SINGLE win to emerge from the data.

It is all just political.

>>38022625
>Society wants to believe that with effort and drugs, AFaBs can match AMaBs.
Why would the studies be conducted then if it's clear they're showing the opposite?

>>38022552
Source?

>>38022250
>>38022280
>>38022308
Hi, I was just joking with the x20, I wanted to see if someone would believe that haha, of course is not that much, if it were that the average male would be able to lift a car lol. The real difference is probably x1.5 at most, the mass difference between sexes is like less than 20%

>>38022859
Even if the real difference is much smaller, it's still very significant. I think the world record for heaviest bench press by a woman is about half the men's record.

>>38022951
Damn. Why do women even bother with sports anyways if they're THAT much worse than men. I don't see how they're all not severely depressed by the fact that they're still in the bottom 50% even after dedicating their entire lives to it.

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>>38022781

>>38023094
holy shit wait is this fr?? the tboys mog cismen ?

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>>38019382
Not quite the same potential as a cism, but you can be pretty fucking strong if you want.

>>38023259
They're on tons of androgens.

>>38023263
It's not tonnes, but Strong(wo)man makes no secret about being untested, and most competitors are pretty open about steroid use.

>>38023094
The situps for tgirls seems strange to me. I lost my core almost immediately.

>>38023227
Nah I think it's misleading in a way

>>38022647
Why would /x/ post flat earth threads weekly?

A king that always has to say, "I'm the KING!" is not the king.

>>38023354
Nah this would be like a king publicly admitting that he's not the king. It doesn't make sense.

>>38023367
Have you ever interacted with a flerfer?

It doesn't fucking matter

>>38023227
It’s a study performed on transgender air force members. You could reasonably assume the type of trans men who join the army are the former hyper athletic, bulldyke types though.

>>38023373
I mean it's obvious that the studies don't show what they want if the motivation behind them is what you said. Wouldn't they just not publish them?

>>38019419
you say that but I'm in st4t relationship and we've wrestled/play fought to see who's actually stronger and I (5'2 ftm) have muscular advantage while she (6'0 mtf) has limb length advantage.

>>38023402
Flerfers, hilariously, will also release footage.
But their commentary on the footage of some balloon "proof" showing the flat earth when curvature is discovered is that something "ruined the experiment" or that the "curve" is just the "lens" of the camera, or that the whole experiment itself is false and staged by the JOOOOOOOs

There will always be layers of cope, but also arrogance.
"I'll do your study better, because I didn't like your conclusion."
People make a conclusion, then they make a justification after with a "study".

>>38023404
Bro if your mtf girlfriend is a match for you then you do not stand a chance against a real man

>>38023458
Deadass
Poor liddle dood

>>38023447
Yeah but it's possible for the footage to be interpreted in the wrong way. With these studies, though, it is completely unambiguous. The numbers for men is higher than the numbers for women. You literally cannot interperet that any other way, no matter how delusional you may be.

>>38023487
Never, ever, ever doubt human egoism in epistemology.
What if they chose the wrong men? What if they chose the wrong women?

That's what I mean. Some people will thrive off the epistemological doubts they can make.

>>38023458
I'm sure it's incredibly obvious I was trying not to actually hurt her so I'm sure that skews it

>>38020935
>Simone Biles
She is a midget.

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>>38019382
Is she grabbing his crank?

>>38023227
>>38023345
Pushups are how good you are at pushing your bodyweight. Trans men being able to perform more of them does not mean they are stronger than cis men, but just that they are stronger than them relative to their weight.

>>38023554
you should try to hurt her though, she needs to know who's in charge

>>38023613
My point exactly. And overall, those studies don't seem very good. Three very basic tests that don't cover a lot. Find a better one.

>>38023742
Well anon those are just the basic physical trials people do in military physicals, I don't think it was meant to be an extensive study

>>38023613
>the difference between cis man and trans man strength is negligible, accounting for size.

>>38023768
I wasn't trying to refute you?

>>38023768
Doesn't really matter though. In those gym class fitness tests we had to do, the one who got the most pushups was a very petite girl. She was obviously not the strongest in the class, though.

>>38023760
Exactly. I want to see an extensive study that proves whether or not T can make you as strong as a cis man of your size.

>>38023799
It does matter that on average, women perform more poorly than men on physical tests, and T moves trans men towards the male average.

>>38023872
Yeah, obviously. But thay doesn't matter much if they still don't come close to cis men.

>>38023868
You’ll have a hard time finding any studies concerning trans men when it comes to strength and athletic performance, nobody cares and it’s not politically relevant.

>>38023882
Nigga it just showed you being close to cis men. The problem is you're comparable to cis men your height, which if you're ftm is probably 5'2".

>>38023894
What about studies comparing female steroid users to non-steroid-using men?

>>38023926
Ackshyully I'm 5' 10" which isn't that great because it's sub 6' but still pretty good for a foid

>>38019382

If you take T *and* you train consistently, eat right, sleep 8 ours a night as much as possible, and never give up, yes, you will be stronger than many cis men. Soon you will walk through the shuffling masses of low-T, gyno-ridden, doughy, weak men and you will know, in your heart, that you could break them with your bare, calloused hands. Lift weights and train muay thai. Shadowbox on the roof of a building at night. If you have a smaller frame, you will to work on developing good control in the clinch so you can force them to carry your weight, break down their posture and set up knees. Once their posture is sufficiently broken and their hands drop, elbows to the head become available. With good posture and standing grappling foundations, your base should be pretty developed and you can work to develop a few throws, trips, or basic takedowns, just go to an mma gym and get on the mat. To absolutely mangle the average cis man, all you really need is good enough striking to stay safe as you get into the clinch where your strength and fighting skills more effectively neutralize your size disadvantage. Once you get comfortable with that side of things and have a takedown or two, with an idea of how to get back control for an RNC if needed, you can basically wipe the floor with any untrained man. ~2 years of lifting, conditioning (learn to love the jump rope and your running shoes), and dedicated martial arts practice will be sufficient. Just don't overtrain, and don't neglect recovery, flexibility, diet, sleep, etc to optimize your gains and hormonal profile.

So the answer is no, merely taking T and eating french fries will not make you as strong as a cis man. But, if you are taking T, you can become far stronger than most cis men. The only question is, are you man enough to do the work?

>>38024019
>So the answer is no, merely taking T and eating french fries will not make you as strong as a cis man.
I wasn't expecting to get strong from T alone. I was asking if T would make me as strong as a cis man of the same size and lifestyle.

>>38023976

Aw shit 5'10" ? that's pretty fuckin good for an ftm, ygmi. Pack some muscle and combat muscle memory onto that frame. Training martial arts and lifting will, over time, absolutely make you so much physically and mentally tougher than the average cis dude.

I wish I could be your like assistant coach/hypeman or something. I'm mtf and used to train muay thai and boxing a lot, didn't lift much bc I was trying to twinkcope lol. I transitioned after a really bad ankle injury and between the new artificial ligament and a few years of estrogenized muscle atrophy, I'm a shell of myself lol. With time, dedication, good coaches and training partners, and a growth mindset, you can become a killer. I believe in you. Knock em dead for me.

>>38020780
I aint gonna rope but I'm gonna take a dangerous amount of steroids that will either make me stronger than most cis men or kill me.

>>38024069

To answer that, IME yes, or almost. Two cis men of the same size and lifestyle might still have very different body compositions and strength. Genetics, what sports they did or didn't do as a kid, T levels, whatever. Humans vary a lot. As an FTM you're working with slightly different body structure and potentially some lingering reduced density in muscle fibers. Depends on your own baseline, what age you started HRT, yadda yadda. Point is don't worry about it train hard and you'll mog

>>38024084
Based. Better to die standing than live kneeling.

Aight now since the general consensus is that even T can't save me from my weak foid flesh what is the best way to overcome my fear of death so I can kms

>>38025898
They said you can compete with a similar sized man if you train you stupid retard. OFC I am a dirty coward so I would run away from any fight against anyone even though I am a 185cm cismale :P

>>38019382
Not a binary choice Anon.
T will never make you into a chad. Especially if you're gross to begin with.

>>38019382
I bet you can be stronger than me
>t. 5'7 cis guy

>>38019419
It's about leverage
If two guys, one 5'6 and the other 6'4 don't train, on average the taller one will be stronger
If both of them train, the taller one will be stronger