>>38031088
i wouldnt say disgusted, more confused. i feel terrible for being trans bc im supposed to be the oldest brother and i don't think im ever going to stop boymoding around family. whereas people like this are husbands and fathers, which are even greater walls that one must climb. idk why i have more shame than them n i wish i could learn their ways :/

>>38031088
I’m sure one of their kids will be coincidentally trans.

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>>38031088
i think people who put a lot of thought into things like this just want an excuse to be transphobic

>>38031196
this board has gone to shit

>>38031088
If you get fooled by a repper you are retarded.

>>38031196
I don't put a lot of thought into it. It just stands out to me.

>100% chance their kids are going to be fucked up, reddit totally hugboxes them that it wont make a difference
>90% chance their spouse is living a life of quiet desperation, reddit totally hugboxes them that their spouse is fine with it.

I just don't get that progressive democrat arrogance that the science says trooning out is totally natural, you go girl! Unless your family are biggots they will totaly be fine with it and it wont affect your kids. And if they are, fuck them. You do you! It's so fucking cringe to for a parent to put their wellbeing ahead of their young children.

>>38031088
sort of
i wanted to have kids but i had a cap on if it didnt happen by x age. fuck it.
now instead of having children my main goal is ball removal.
like i went over the precipice. the event horizon.
its over.

>>38031088
Men love to trick women into a relationship and then pull the rug out from under them. Once you see this as an extension of normal male behavior, it's hard to view it as particularly shocking.

it makes me uncomfortable because there's no way that you actually have dysphoria if you were a married man who fathered children and then raised them as a father

>>38031274
so what do you want them to do? repress forever? pretty sure they tried that and that's what got them that family in the first place.
they don't choose to blow up their life any more than you did when your youngshit ass transitioned

>>38031088
literally don't care and not my problem. People should do what makes them happy in life.
>t. MtF trooned at 16

>>38031088
Yes. This is a 100% guaranteed tell that the person does not have genuine dysphoria and is fake trans. These kind of people should be shamed for their reprehensible behavior

>>38031196
this. It really falls under the mind your own business umbrella of things to worry about.
>>38031274
Have you ever heard the saying "don't set yourself on fire to keep others warm". You can't be as good of a parent if you are not in harmony with yourself. And someone who is consciously repping "for the kids" will subconsciously resent them. The kids might be fucked either way but are probably less fucked with a hon parent than an angry repper.

>>38031381
>so what do you want them to do? repress forever?
Yes.

>>38031381
Not marry someone while repressing in the first place.

>>38031381
people who have GD can pass it on to their child.
>>38031420
troons who had children are disgusting

>>38031381
>so what do you want them to do? repress forever?
Yep. Once they had kids their life became about somebody else. Those kids need a father.

>>38031458
>"don't set yourself on fire to keep others warm"
Being a parent means willingly signing up for this deal. Having children means constantly putting their needs ahead of your own. The most extreme case is when a parent has to sacrifice themselves for their kid.

>>38031088
lfmao its based, fuck cis foids and kids

No, but I am disgusted with entitled youngshits who think everything was always as easy as ordering a turn yourself into a girl kit from your iphone. Things got too easy. Now you'll see.

>>38031088
>Alexandra
Hon name
>>38031381
>so what do you want them to do? repress forever?
correct. If you've had children you should not transition. Those kids deserve a father figure, not a boomerhon mom who is probably AGP.

>>38031088
well humans want to procreate and thats why a mtf and ftm repper sometimes team up, have kids and troon out on each other in their 40s

>>38032177
>>38032274
>kids need a father.
you say this to lesbians adopting/IVF/whatever too?

>>38031515
disgust is subjective

>>38032220
in my opinion you can't properly care about other people if you don't look after yourself. Like it might be awkward or embarrassing to have a parent whose a hon and nothing about being trans prevents you from being a caring paren. But having a mentally ill bitter repper as your dad is probably going to be worse especially if they cope negatively or 41%

>>38032293
all children need both a male and female parent or at least role model.
however, two lesbian mothers is better than one suffering straight mother and a hon mother.

>>38031274
Its probably not good for the child but im sure they're doing much, much, worse things to their kids, like sending them to public school, and also vaccinating them.

>>38031381
it's like divorce. if you absolutely have to do it, wait until the kids are independent and out of the house.

>>38032293
NTA but I don't think the issue is kids not having a father per se. If you don't have a father in your family from birth, you can always find male role models elsewhere. It's that these kids HAVE had a father for years, he's almost certainly a male role model to them, and now he's given up on being male altogether.

>>38031088
its weird to think im at the age where a lot of people start having kids, i still feel like a child

I think it's better to troon and THEN get married and have kids.

>>38032293
Not them but yes unironically I think kids need a dad and a mom and gay/lesbian couples shouldn’t raise kids. The only people who should be raising kids are cis and trans straight couples

t. Cis dyke

>>38031381
>repress forever?
100%. If you marry under false pretenses and father kids under false pretenses you can keep living under false pretenses. It clearly wasn't a problem before!

Also, late-onset gender dysphoria is as fake as ROGD. You know early or at puberty, not when you turn fucking 33.

>>38031088
yep, it's extremely disgusting agp behavior. like mfer your dysphoria was so bad you became a husband and a father and THEN trooned out? no actual tranny would do this, theyre just disgusting pornsick agps, and the retards who peddle that tenderqueer shit about "they always knew but were just repping" are naive trenders and need to go back to tumblr

>>38033487
so much this

>>38033487
yep.
by puberty it will have strong tells.
like i knew and would be upset about being boy and seeing my body puberty signs coming in was very bothering to me. i was getting ugly.

>>38033017
the most functional couple I have seen in my life (raising a kid) was a gay couple. every straight couple seems to just be coasting on "well, one of us has testicles and the other has ovaries so it will somehow work itself out". the gay couple tries harder at everything, and it shows.

>>38031088
what’s so weird to me is how do u comfortably live as a straight man for over 30 years, marry a woman, have 2 kids and then suddenly decide u wanna be a woman? something just seems off, like just super agp and midlife crisis.

>>38033553
how do you know if they're living comfortably? you wouldn't say this if he left her to be a gay guy.

>>38033571
i would, id really question why he’d spend that time not dating another man

>>38033571
>you wouldn't say this if he left her to be a gay guy.
Literally would, I would strongly question how a man born in fucking 1991 could *accidentally* think he liked pussy for 20 years and THEN realize it was cock he wanted all along. A woman realizing she's lesbian, maybe, foids are so unbelievably conformist it injures my frontal lobe just to think about it, but a man? Just not figuring out that twink ass is his Kryptonite? Fuck all the way off, men know like their entire catalog of future fetishes by age 13.

>>38033640
I love the double standards, or rather, the anything goes rule for women, and the zero tolerance policy for men. Kind of a harris/trump vibe except the genders are swapped.

>>38033694
>I would believe that women do this because women are retarded but not men since they are not
>rrreee double standards, blatant foid favoritism!!!
Nigga R U for real

>>38033740
Wrapping misandry in a thin veneer of "misogyny" to make your point more palatable to 4chan, I understand the move but I will not dignify it by attempting to debate you on your terms

>>38033694
Please show the class a single case of a woman who got married to a man and birthed children suddenly deciding to poon out in her 30s. We'll wait.

>>38031088
its tragic but it makes me feel at least somewhat better about being so dysfunctional that ive never had a gf

>>38033768
>>38033640 here and this is actually a really good point as well, further weakening the homo/troon analogy. I have indeed literally never heard of that, the closest thing I can think of is those wack 40-something women who cut their hair short and totally desexualize themselves to the dismay of their husbands, but that definitely isn't about gayness, it's just some sort of weirdly consistent foidal midlife crisis, trying to act like you lost your youth on purpose because you didn't like it or someting, IDK.

>>38033694
You are an idiot. I am not going to indulge your cretinism further than that.

>>38033768
The reason poons can rep indefinitely is obvious. If an afab has a non-erect vagina the man won't immediately shame her and deny her femininity and say there must be another man and she must be a lesbian and a poon repper and why is she lying to everyone and using him as a beard, thus making her more self conscious, thus making her vagina go even limper in an infinite spiral of shame, recriminations, emasculation, performance anxiety, and shame. That's because vaginas are just holes for putting dicks in. They don't stop being holes just because the owner of the hole isn't feeling it tonight.

>>38033809
No U

>>38033571
not them, but i think breaking up a relationship for anything other than straight up abuse after having kids is an awful thing to do in general, at least until they are fully grown. this includes trooning since you are completely changing yourself as a person - there's obviously very little chance a romantic relationship is going to survive that and troons should get the full blame.

>>38033835
Most of the time the john 50 wants to stay with the wife but the wife is disgusted by him, as you are now, so there's really no other option than to leave. Trans widows are self-made

>>38033752
>thin veneer of "misogyny"
Bruh that anon straight up has an AD 24 attitude to women, it's hardly a veneer

>>38033822
>They don't stop being holes just because the owner of the hole isn't feeling it tonight.
>the owner of the hole
You mean the guy?

>>38031088
Not really if they're older, they didn't have the chances we have. But millennials and younger don't have an excuse.

>>38033869
Not really, it's the modern enlightened "we're different and that's fine" take on fembrain/malebrain, it only looks misogynistic from a 2nd wave feminist pov

>>38033877
Nice

>>38033822
In other words you can't find a single example, got it. Please fuck off now retard
>>38033847
>Trans widows are self-made
Yes these straight women are choosing to not be gaslit into dating a gigahon with a midlife crisis who wants to convince her he was actually a woman all along and she is actually a lesbian. They did it to themselves and definitely did do not do what any rational woman in that situation would do and gtfo. How fucking delusional and stupid are you?

>>38031088
I don't really care about people I don't interact with day to day

>>38033890
so you're just going to stamp your feet and double down on your stupidity, what a surprise

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>>38031088
To be fair, I completely empathize with people who do that because they very likely mistook their genuine desires and gender dysphoria for wanting the stability of a job and family. Think about whenever you hear something like "I don't want to date right now I want to focus on school/work" and you can imagine this being true with people who know or don't even know about their dysphoria due to repression. What's stopping someone from wanting to settle down before they take the steps to transition? Not everyone has the privilege to transition just like that and just as quickly as some people, imagine a minimum wage worker who doesn't have the time, cash, or support to transition? Wouldn't it be better for them to try and make their position better before they focus on something that is trivial compared to paying rent?

do you guys think the man is repping or what breaks in his brain to suddenly want to be a woman

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>>38031420
>literally don't care and not my problem. People should do what makes them happy in life.
Sorry kids fuck you daddy needs to be happy LOL why do u care what I'm doing?

>>38033917
exactly everyone here is underestimating how severely you can stuff your feelings, especially if you come from a tight-knit controlling community. It's still ass for the rest of the family.

>>38033929
you don't seem to realize that same the way you look at the person in that pic, society looks at you

>>38033910
You assume any of your delusional bullshit is worth meaningfully engaging with, but it's not

>>38031381
/thread

>>38033847
what the tranny wants to do is irrelevant in light of their actions. if you have over 50 iq you know that cutting off your dick and deciding to live as the opposite gender is going to destroy your existing romantic relationships, they made their choice. even if there was a magic button to 100% perfectly trans you into a cis woman, anyone who seriously thinks that the person they sleep with won't care either way has brain damage. let alone if you act like a typical narcissistic hon and expect everyone to coddle you despite putting 0 effort into your transition.

>>38033965
NOOOO you dont understand the trans widows decided to destroy their family by not sucking the girldick!!

I stand by what I said. Kids need a mom and a dad which is why I’ll never have or adopt kids as a cis lesbian. If you are married and have kids and want to transition to female it is your duty to divorce your wife and find a husband if you still want to be in your kids life then your kids can be split between two healthy households of straight parents.

>>38033983
I was raised by a single mom and it's fine

>>38031381
I mean they got married as a man, made it the ripe old age of 33, and then got someone pregnant TWICE. I would rather take a cheese grater to my dick than impregnate someone. Their dysphoria clearly hasn't been a problem until now so I think they can at least wait a few more years for the kids to be off to college.

>>38034007
you ended up here on tttt....

>>38034051
I don't think my father being present on my life would've changed how I felt about my body and gender ever since I was a kid. If anything him pushing me to be more masculine (he'd do that he's that kind of man) would make me transition even earlier.

>>38031088
Ruining a family is abominable

>>38033965
>noooo you can't just break up a relationship!
>ok let's not
>nooooo you can't just stay together! what you want is irrelevant!
sounds to me like you just want to take out your rage at someone. never underestimate the appetite for a marginalized person to have someone to punch down on

>>38033921
Midlife crisis, fetishism, in some cases an attempt to escape from accountability for their actions (as in, actual crimes) but that one's rare.

>>38034070
>fatherless
sorry to hear you dad is black anon

>>38031088
Only if they
= have no apparent anxiety and guilt for whatever the process inflicts on their wife and children
= if they expect the wife to stay with them and react with indignation and outrage if she doesn't

A shocking number of people actually seem to think it's reasonable to expect the wife to stay in the relationship and will accuse her of lovelessness and Prejudice if she doesn't. I've seen this attitude in communities I thought were less extreme and it might not always get a lot of support but it seems to be tacitly condoned.
I also don't think people should be eaten alive with guilt for an error borne out of massive confusion and justifiable fear but I think if the person has little to no guilt about it then there's something wrong with them.

And DESU I kind of wonder if a disproportionate number of married transitioners are dark triad because more conscientious people are held back not just by taboo and fear of their own life consequences but profound angst over how their loved ones will be affected by it= even if it's the right thing for everyone in the long run.

The frequently blind validation of trans communities (or other communities for marginalized people) can be a haven for toxic people seeking to justify all their actions and who know people will hesitate to criticize and judge them.

>>38031196
Transphobia and other types of group prejudice are unfortunately often the response to toxic people not only being part of X group but using their identity in X group as a sword and shield to attack victims and defend against any valid criticism.
If you read the trans widows stories, it seems like the majority of them had narcissistic husbands who transitioned. And the communities who good-heartedly supported those husbands unwittingly helped to gaslight their victims.

But you're right. Lots of people who just want to hate trans people jump on stories about remorseless people to justify their hatred and to frame all trans people as toxic.l

>>38031274
I think the idea is the same as people think about divorce now. The divorce is better than the parents staying in a strained unhappy marriage. The lesser of two evils.

A happy hon father could be better for children than a neurotic repper.
If they are narcissist then this rule wouldn't apply because the narcissistic behavior would just continue or might actually get worse.

>>38034321
>The divorce is better than the parents staying in a strained unhappy marriage. The lesser of two evils.
It literally isn't though. This is just some fable shit divorced people tell themselves to evade guilt. In reality, divorced parents is one of the worst indicators for a child's life outcomes that exists. There are clear and strong statistics on this. It's literally worse than witnessing your dad regularly beating your mom like a gong, worse than your dad shooting himself or getting killed in a war, worse than your entire family becoming homeless due to a natural disaster. In fact, it's almost certainly worse than your dad trooning out on you.

>A happy hon father could be better for children than a neurotic repper.
The above notwithstanding, doubt.jpg

>>38033487
There are people who don't realize they're gay until 30 or 40 or fuck even like 70. And that's way easier to figure out than gender identity.

The human mind is quite impressive with how much it can repress and disassociate and compartmentalize shit.

It's hard to Fathom for anyone born after like 1990 how the world saw and treated gay and trans people before and how much it fucked with their brains from early childhood.

>>38034387
>It's hard to Fathom for anyone born after like 1990 how the world saw and treated gay and trans people before and how much it fucked with their brains from early childhood.
The guy in OP pic is 33; he was born in 1991, you dolt.

>>38034366
A lot of divorces aren't done healthily though. And if you compare outcomes for children of all divorce couples versus all married couples then yeah it's going to look better for married. The majority of married couples would presumably be people who didn't have relationship so terrible that divorce was advisable anyway.

>>38034425
>And if you compare outcomes for children of all divorce couples versus all married couples then yeah it's going to look better for married. The majority of married couples would presumably be people who didn't have relationship so terrible that divorce was advisable anyway.
Did you read what I wrote? You can compare outcomes for children of divorced couples with outcomes for *only the children of chronically physically abusive* couples and the divorce kids still come off worse! Divorce is *super bad* for kids, it's not even really known why, but it demonstrably is.

>>38034425
My point was that this degree of confusion and repression is less understandable to young people, not that it doesn't happen anymore.
There are also still gay people born after 1990 in the west who don't realize until middle age.
It doesn't mean they aren't really gay.
Fewer people live their entire lives without cluing in and more of them decide to live openly.

>>38031088
AGP boomerhons deserve so much more hate than they get
>>38031381
unironically anything would be better, up to and including suicide

>>38034236
He's actually white

>>38031088
That’s a normal reaction don’t worry
>>38031149
What the hell would you want to learn the ways of someone who’s willing to do that lol. It’s not a good thing

>>38033487
>>38033835
>>38033983
>>38034051
Based responses

>I only um felt dysphoria a few years AFTER I SPLOOGED into my reppoon wife's juicy hole

>>38031420
Why are trannies so individualistic?

It's always so obnoxious to read threads like this.

This is my life, my kids don't really care, because I don't make a big deal out of it.

People making these threads all the time care more than I do, or my wife does, or my kids do.

As for telling us to "know sooner" or whatever, I am happy for you that you were in a supportive environment where that was possible. I was raised in the cult of Catholicism, with my only other outlet being television where I saw episodes of Jerry Springer as "trans representation".

I had no vocabulary to express my dysphoria, but that doesn't mean it wasn't there. Since I was young I was always extremely feminine, but learned to repress it or else I'd quite literally be physically assaulted while teachers turned a blind eye because they seemed content to encourage bullying the little 'faggot' kid.

Be an idealist all you want, but you don't know how you would have acted in our shoes.

Lastly, it's a good life skill to have to just mind your own business, and not throw others under the bus to make yourself feel better. I won't even read the entire thread because I'm sure there are countless jabs at my supposed appearance and how I'm such a travesty for the community etc... I think I'm actually quite attractive, I don't "pass" as a cis woman, but just look like a little androgynous elf.

Are some people disgusted by me and make it visibly obvious? Sure, but they're usually third worlders so why should I give a fuck? Men hit on me, offer me money for sex, and I've had more women approach me and compliment me post-transition than I ever did before.

You should try actually talking to people sometime instead of making assumptions about them, it makes you no better than the chuds who troll you here otherwise.

>>38036187
The argument most anons here are making isn’t that you should never troon out late. It’s that if you’ve already made the commitment to have children and are married you made that choice and it’s extremely selfish and destructive for everyone involved to troon at that point. A single boomerhon with no real people he’s obligated because he isolated himself from dysphoria doesn’t really affect anyone but himself, It’s still cringe, but he’s not dragging literal children who rely on and need a father figure and a wife down with him. Also, I don’t care if you don’t think that it negatively impacts your children but 100% fucking does I can guarantee it

>>38036276
nta but if you think trans people shouldn't be around kids then you're no better than the people who want you in camps

>>38037019
i think you misunderstand the point. if you willingly engage in piv sex, you don't have gender dysphoria. if you had gender dysphoria you'd have erectile dysfunction (nerves) and struggle to get a boner without viagra.

they always say the same bullshit from i didn't know to i didn't have the vocabulary to how awful their upbringing was because they want a free pass.

never once as a child did you ask your parents for girl clothes? never once did you proclaim that you're a girl and it's not fair that you're not allowed in the barbie aisle at walmart? i just can't with these trenders that act in bad faith.

>>38037048
this will be hard for you to imagine, but some people have experiences and lives that don't resemble your own

this is you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RjWTEqJiMI

>>38037052
this is going to be hard for you to understand, but when you try to change the definition of words to better suit your needs you do a disservice to what the word originally described.

i'm not saying you didn't experience whatever it is that you experienced. i'm saying you're not describing gender dysphoria accurately and are bastardizing it to elevate yourself arbitrarily. if you do accurately portry the symptoms then you don't have the condition. you parrot talking points from trenders that hop on the bandwagon like a midlife crisis.

lowkey your kids are gunna grow up to be embarrassed of you, but they'll never admit to just how bad it really is.

>>38037061
you have no idea who I am, but you've got this whole elaborate story constructed which is based entirely on a far right caricature of a trans pedo, amazing

>>38037076
i never called you a pedo. you just said yourself that you're one. i only ever said that the way you describe your experience is not condicive with a gender dysphoria diagnosis. you're like the person that watches doctor oz and starts ordering hydroxycut to lose weight.

I mean, I made it to 27 before trooning out. Didn't enter any relationship (how could I if there was so much wrong with me?), piv sex was unimaginable, and cetrtainly did not even think about having kids.
How would it be even possible for them to get this far into this situation?
I've been browsing some spaces for partners of trans people and there is A LOT of stories from cis women where their husbands troon out shortly after they had a child. Like a baby trap tactic. That is just unsettling for me

>>38037082
it's all the same argument

>>38037090
denial's been more believable than repression.

>>38037085
A lot of women will rush a guy into a marriage because, as you said, baby trap tactic. And if the guy is struggling with something, he might be willing to let himself be manipulated, hoping that things will work out. This is just standard m/f couple stuff, you wouldn't get it, because you were a shut-in.

>>38037091
repression is just permanently online trans bubble speak for denial

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>>38031088
>Hello
*opens up Tinder*
>wonderful people
*matches 1000 women*
>I'm in the early stages
*nuts into 200 of them without feeling any kind of dysphoria of being a male with his male penis and male balls*
>of my (33 AMAB)
*gets engaged as a manly man in a an suit*
>transition
*proceeds to breed the shit out of his wife as a manly husband should do*
>and have two young children
*spends years raising kids as a father figure without flinching at the word "daddy"*

Yeah fuck off, those are the worst scum. Literally trenders, fake trans, agp demons.

>>38031088
how do you even impregnate a woman if you're trans?
it's literally the most masculine thing you can do.

like i'm a repper and the idea of sex horrifies me.

>>38037097
>>38037098
hsts raging at transbians despite transbians being the overwhelming majority of trans

>>38037093
>because you were a shut-in
Not really, I had pretty good social life, lots of parties, night life, drugs, good friend circle etc
>you wouldn't get it
But I did not have experience with relationships then so yes, I don't get it

i'm going to give you the answer because you lost:
had you said growing up you always knew something was off about you, but you couldn't put your finger on it becausenof your internalized misogyny. maybe. if you went on like: oh i tried so hard to supress the urges i had. i got married. had kids. but finally i couldn't fight it anymore.
ok now we're getting somewhere. if that were the case, you would've developped a paraphilia. do you get a boner dressing as a woman? that's autogynephillia. oh you don't? some schmuck that watched dr phil and remembers an episode he saw one time.

>>38031088
No one sets out to do this. This comes after decades of pain and confusion, typically in places that are less accepting of lgbt.

>>38037102
just keep typing the same caricature with more name calling each time, maybe the 100000th time you won't be wrong. I mean statistically anything is possible, atoms could assemble themselves in the form of a unicorn in front of you right now, there just need to be enough cosmic coin tosses and eventually it's all but guaranteed

>>38037100
>transbians
Made up brainworm meme, there's 0.000000000000041% of women who'd fuck a troon

>>38037107
behold: the attitude that destroyed transgenderism. the enemy within.

>>38037112
your entire consciousness is nothing but twitter memes and you're selectively getting upset over transbianism, how?

>>38037119
>transgenderism
yes, it really is just an ideology for you, that much was clear from the start

>>38037120
Upset? Baby you're just a text on my screen, I won't give a damn when you ack one day. You're just delusional if you believe women would like to fuck a man in a wig

>>38037128
it must be hard to decide when to be the polchud and when to be the outraged marginalized transgenderist who just wants to have rights

Waow I had kids before I transitioned but they still have never known me as anything but mom. People think I’m the birth giving parent.

>>38031088
I think if u manage to repress until ur 40 and have several kids there might be a social responsibility to keep reppressing for the sake of ur family and even if u troon at that point you will just look like a honmonster and never experience the girlhood u missed out on anyway

Yeah might be hyperbole or whatever but honestly if you transition after having kids you aren’t actually trans. Impregnating a woman is quite literally the most manly thing you can do. It’s so high up that a huge number of men can’t even achieve it. Fucking a woman and having children is unironically more masculine than having a moustache and beard.

If you went through all that you’re never meant to be a woman. You are a man, you will always be a man, and you’re actively going to fuck up your kids’ lives and your wife’s for what is most probably just a fetish for you

>>38037126
if it's not a commune or a collective or a cult or an ideology: than explain to me this. if it's not. why did you not go at things from the angle of: it's my private medical condition as disgnosed and this is par for the course. this is what i'm supposed to do as treatment. peeping in bathrooms is a violation of my privacy. making accusations or harassing me over my medical condition is discrimination.

no

you went with my body my choice and made it sound like people choose to be trans rather they feel compelled to live as their authentic selves.

>>38037149
Awww is somebody sad they spread the tranny gene and their kid stopped talking to them and is living the life they wish they did

>>38037149
being with a woman is actually pretty gae and feminine. most men don't get partners by being hyper masculine caricatures. they get them by being soft and able to emotionally connect with another human being

>>38037164
are you getting your posters mixed up or is this just a shitty bot that is inadvertently showing its short context window?

>>38031381
not marry while being a repper. stop pushing the idea that repressing can be done healthily.

its not like being a closet faggot sneaking out to fuck a twink a few times a month, its a very public thing that affects the development of a child.

>>38037182
a 4chan /lgbt/ regular preaching about what's good for children, this is some good bait

>>38037168
I don’t have kids because I didn’t transition purely as a fetish to violate women’s bodies

>>38037202
My brother in Christ if you are going to be a bigot on the internet use a vpn

>>38037207
W..why would I care about using a VPN?

>>38037148
>girlhood
way to tell on yourself coomer

>>38037182
>stop pushing the idea that repressing can be done healthily.
Yes, it can be.

They're bad because they spent their whole adulthood to that point with male privilege, building up to having a stable family and job. They did not suffer misogyny at all, so I can't see how they could be regarded as women, they are most certainly male socialized beyond what is possible to make up for without drastic female socialization of the worst kind. The only way they can really become something close to a woman materially and socially is to have their previous self and mind utterly destroyed through horrific female-coded trauma, to be rebuilt into a rough approximation of a mentally broken woman. They need to suffer like real women and to have all of the foundations of male privelege they built destroyed so they are at rock bottom.

>>38031439
I mean it makes sense. The choice to transition is inherently the individualistic choice to be yourself instead of what other people expect you to be. So anyone who actually goes through with it is more likely to be more individualistic either because transition selects for individualism, and/or because transition causes trans people to realize the value of individualism.

In short trans people are inherently more based than cisoids

>>38037395
What male privilege does one have as weak shy autistic man, really?

>>38037207
You keep digging your whole deeper bro, just give up

>>38037048
What's your suggestion for dealing with the psuedodysphoria then? Do you people ever have any plan for rogd reppers other than "just ignore it"?

>>38031088
It’s really repulsive and make me wish they had their kids taken away if they’re going to expose them to that mental illness.

>>38031196
Another word for “transphobic” is “based”
>>38031381
Yes, tell them to keep their faggot groomer shit to themselves or at least remove themselves from the family unit if they can’t help themselves into not being a disgusting troon.

>>38038069
who hurt you

>>38038073
Troons and lbgt anything should not be in the public sphere at all. Finding out you were either should be life altering in the same way being outed as a pedophile alters a persons life. It’s the Same level of degeneracy any how.

>>38036276
how exactly am i dragging them down? would you care to explain? hard mode: without sounding like any other transphobic loser from /pol/ reinforcing "muh family values" christian nonsense

>>38037048
> i think you misunderstand the point. if you willingly engage in piv sex, you don't have gender dysphoria. if you had gender dysphoria you'd have erectile dysfunction (nerves) and struggle to get a boner without viagra
this statement is as moronic as those muslims who think a woman can stop herself from getting pregnant when raped because she like instructs her eggs to say no

> they always say the same bullshit from i didn't know to i didn't have the vocabulary to how awful their upbringing was because they want a free pass.
a free pass? for what? the approval of some uppity kid with an attitude who wants to put others down to feel better about their life?
maybe you're hearing the same story because it's true, moron.

> never once as a child did you ask your parents for girl clothes? never once did you proclaim that you're a girl and it's not fair that you're not allowed in the barbie aisle at walmart? i just can't with these trenders that act in bad faith.
the adults in my life (teachers included) all made it clear that i should act less like a little "faggot" if i didn't want to be bullied every single day at school and assaulted regularly

you really don't listen do you

> captcha: GPT yo
since it feels like im talking to a fucking bot

>>38037048
>>38038146
and yes i did have a little doll and said i was her mommy, i was relentlessly mocked for it for the next 15 years until i finally left to go to university

>>38038154
Sounds like they should have gone harder on you to keep you from turning into the faggot you are today…
>>38038146
You drag them down by making yourself look like a mentally ill embarrassment. If you had a empathetic bone in your body you would understand how much you have humiliated your family by engaging in your weird nasty fetish

>>38038167
no one was asking you chud
go beat your non-existent children you subhuman filth

>>38038124
you just can't go one moment without thinking about sex with children now can you

>>38031381
why is everyone quoting this missing this part
> pretty sure they tried that and that's what got them that family in the first place.
they got married because they were repping. "surely these feelings will go away once I'm married"
"surely these feelings will go away once I have children"
"oh fuck"

the absolute callouesness with which you (presumed) youngshit talk about stuff like this is baffling

>>38038170
>troon mad that anyone told him the truth of what it is that he’s doing to his families image
Cope and dilate
>>38038177
Troons, faggots, and pedophiles all come from the same place mentally. There’s a reason why faggots were always associated with pedophillia….because they are morally compromised
>>38038186
Sounds like a guy who is having a midlife crisis so he decided to dress like a woman to sneak into women’s bathrooms to cope. Peeping women in the bathroom must be therapeutic….

>>38031088
i want to have a kid then transition desu

>>38038238
>I want to expose my child to sexual fetishism ASAP

>>38031381
>repress forever?
yeah! hope this helps
not only is it disgusting to have made it this far while hiding behind the pretense of "i needed to look and act normal for society" but they willingly chose to marry and have children, which drags other people into this shitshow
they made their bed and they can lie in it or just kill themselves if the dysphoria is indeed that bad/real/existed in the first place

>>38038197
>>troon mad that anyone told him the truth of what it is that he’s doing to his families image
your opinion isn't "truth" you low iq subhuman ape
> cope and dilate
why would you think i got srs? lol
> There’s a reason why faggots were always associated with pedophillia….
because closeted fags like you need to demonize their desires to avoid thinking about them? lmao

>>38038354
they tried to repress forever retard

>>38038354
>this shitshow
the way some of you speak about being trans is indistinguishable from chuds like
>>38038197

>>38038371
Hopefully they keep it up and keep that nasty faggot shit to themselves

>>38038249
humans want to reproduce

i want my own family to love

stop being a retarded faggot

>>38037793
their solution is "just kys" because they're just incel chuddies on HRT

>>38032293
100%. I grew up in in an all female home and I basically never learned how to deal with adult men until I was in my 20s.

It's just like becoming a girl in your 20s if you were born male. You are going to have a lot tougher time of it than somebody that had a female upbringing. And no matter what you do, you are never going to get it naturally like they do.

>>38033487
>You know early or at puberty, not when you turn fucking 33.
This. I'm 38, came out at 35. I knew something was off since I was 13. After my last attempt at a normal relationship failed at 23 I went celebate. I knew I was the reason my relationships were failing, I didn't fully understand why, and it seemed unethical to keep dragging innocent women into my bullshit.

I do not get why other people do not have the compassion and empathy to do what I did. But here we are.

>>38033917
>What's stopping someone from wanting to settle down before they take the steps to transition?
Knowing something is off with themselves and not being functional enough as their birth sex to attract a mate.

t. 38 year old giga lateshit that found it easy not to pull anybody else into my trans bullshit

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>>38036187
This is what i don't get about about late in life tranners. I grew up in the 90's, wasn't raised catholic, but was born into a christian hard conservative household that held extreme views on lgbt stuff, extreme like 'all queers must die' extreme.
>born to be a tranny
I grew up feeling different too, did not have the vocab to describe it either. Collected stuffed animals and beanie babies, behaved with them like how young girls would play with dolls. This continued into grade school until i was actively shamed out of it by family and classmates. Had a proclivity towards cutesy things that rubbed my mom and dad the wrong way. Always wanted Long pretty hair but was always forced to have it cut short. I was fully shamed into closet, and started masking with hyper masculinity. Got into Sports started playing baseball, Fishing with dad, Hunting, All of these things i had little interest in, but participated to placate family and friends. But as hard as i masked, as much as i would repress, id still secretly buy/steal girl clothes and dress up in secret, Id still hate my own reflection. This was my life up till 17-18. But despite all of my repression i at least had the fortitude to research why i felt the way i did, why i hated myself. I did not shirk the responsibility to understand myself. The internet was still in its early stages for my. adolescence, but i was still able to discover what. Transsexualism was, What gender dysphoria was. That trans people existed and could live normal lives. I understood what I was. I feared it, but I knew.

Understanding why and how you feel should be paramount as a human being. Thats Why I don't get and even find late in life tranners cringe. They failed to discover or even try to understand themselves. They abandoned the personal responsibility to know themself before making a life that involves others with long term commitments and vows.

Absolute Cringe.

>>38036187
>my kids don't really care, because I don't make a big deal out of it.
So much cope. You think they don't care. You think you aren't affecting them. Wait until they are 25-30 and it becomes apparent that they have holes in their socialization they can never mend. Holes you caused because you could not have the FUCKING foresight not to have kids when you knew you were fucked up.

>Be an idealist all you want, but you don't know how you would have acted in our shoes.
Actually I do, you pathetic piece of shit. Most likely im older than you. Because im sane and pragmatic I took the middle ground. IE I need to figure my shit out and im not going to drag anybody else into it because it isn't fair to them. Why couldn't you do that.

Point fucking blank. Why couldn't you decide you needed to figure your shit out with out dragging other people into it?

>>38039206
>the fortitude to research why i felt the way i did,
Meaning what, you went on reddit?

>>38038146
>this statement is as moronic as those muslims who think a woman can stop herself from getting pregnant when raped because she like instructs her eggs to say no
NTA. I literally could not get it up when I had opportunities for sex. After turning down sex with 8 or so women I made a herculean effort and 3 tries to fuck one and finally lost my virginity. Foreplay kept on getting me turned on behind my balls instead of my dick, this scared and confused the hell out of me at the time.

This is what shit was like for somebody who is actually trans.

>>38039206
This was before reddit and the chans anon.

>>38039206
>That trans people existed and could live normal lives.
I was basically you until right up to this point. When I got here all I found was Susans Place sissy boomerhons and people doing self surgery on alter-net. I was absolutely horrified. I decided there was no way I was trans because there was no way I had the same thing going on as those people. Then I repressed HARD for the next 15 years. When trans acceptance started happening I assumed it was just those people and was completely disgusted and opposed to it. It was only 3 or so years ago that I found out people can trans and be normal afterward.

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New day, same shit

>>38036187
Ironically despite all the scorn you getting you'll probably have a better life than most people here, even if they pass better, you probably pass enough to get by and get to dress how you want now in day to day, and you also have a family so you won't have to grow old and die alone. The only part of your story that sucks is being stuck with a woman as a partner, that would be like hell. But you like women so you basically get to have all your cake and now eat it too. Your the type of person that people have resentment towards "trans" about because your basically like a solipsistic dude who gets to have everything

>>38039518
Hon's scared me into the further into closet for a time too anon. But i still knew what i was. early on. Susan's place was always a horror show full of John50's and perverts, but it was a resource none the less, and it wasn't the only one out there. You could find examples of passable trans women. There were beacons of hope out there and and it finally gave me hope to come out before it was too late. either that or rope.

it is a timing thing I suppose. I don't fault the hons that grew up before the digital age. They were a generation before the internet and fast access to information. But for people trooning out 30's and later today I do find it very cringe. They grew up in the information age. Trans resources are plentiful.

not going to engage with a transbian rapehon cope thread
if you transition after grunting and sweating on top of a cis woman like a pig male, i will never see you as a woman
it is actual peak masculinity and egotism to be able to constantly frame yourself as the poor victim that was basically FORCED into having straight piv sex with a woman and making children to troon out on and ruin their lives

>>38039868
It was when I saw people discussing how much of your dick you had to cut off to get the ER doc to fully remove it that fucking broke me.

Like I knew what I was too. But seeing that made it really easy to tell myself it was a fetish. Then to decide if I wanted it to go away I would stop giving it attention otherwise it was going to lead to me trying to cut my own dick off. Like I saw that if I did not repress I was going to become part of the horror show.

Honestly im envious you saw through that and got a much earlier start than me. I have so much resentment that those were the communities I was exposed to. So I ended up trooning out at 35 a couple years ago. Sorry im cringe but society fumbled this one bad for me. At least I didn't try wifing up some poor women or having some unfortunate kids.

younger trans women have so much hatred in their heart for older trans women it makes me sad
t. transed at 27

>>38040018
Fear is a hard thing for us tranners anon. I get it. Fear of disownment and being on my own was my biggest. But my fear of death won out because I was spiraling into suicidal ideation everyday, so i came out. I dont think you are cringe anon. You knew what you were. Thats whats important and what i was getting at. You knew and made the conscious choice to not drag poor unsuspecting people in to be a part of a mask. Its the people that do that i find truly abhorrent. I may not have worded myself well in my first post. Glad you found your courage, and I hope things are better for you now.

>>38039206
>Understanding why and how you feel should be paramount as a human being. Thats Why I don't get and even find late in life tranners cringe. They failed to discover or even try to understand themselves. They abandoned the personal responsibility to know themself before making a life that involves others with long term commitments and vows.
cringe take desu
in certain environments it's socioeconomic suicide to even contemplate being anything but a hyper-macho masculine chud

i would cry for days every time i was forced to cut my hair too.

no one cared.

you can say we "should have learned" or whatever but after 20 years of abuse and coercion i wasn't exactly thinking objectively about who i was or wanted to be.
and again -- the internet did not exist as it does now... Facebook barely existed, YouTube just started, and the only exposure we got to trans people was through pornography or jerry springer and maury
>>38039329
cry about it? you sound like a miserable piece of shit so why would i take life advice from you when i'm successful with a beautiful wife and kids who love me despite your petulant whining about muh family values like some schizoid christian

>>38039425
maybe you're just not attracted to women dumbass

>>38039636
i have an extremely good education and i look pretty nice. i dress androgynously and get called a mix of she/he and (?? idk i won't try to gender this person)

and yes, i like women and love my wife so there's no problem there. our relationship is much more stable and caring now too.

>>38039925
never once said i was forced to have sex with a woman, what a bizarre thing to say after calling people "rapehons"

>>38040206
it's pathetic desu, i feel nothing but happiness for them. then again, i don't think 90% of the posts made here are actually trans people - just chuds LARPing. can't tell the difference anyway.

>>38040540
i dont want to top men either brother

>>38037112
Transbians screw each other, genius
or lust uselessly after women, just like they did before HRT

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Any other straight trannies sympathize with "trans widows"? It must hurt really bad to learn that the person you trusted the most was lying to you about who they were, eleven in the face of marriage. I would absolutely divorce someone if they trooned out on me. I don't get why this is controversial in trans circles?

>>38040765
>why is this controversial
male ego and straight women that want to keep their boyfriends but reap social signaling

>>38040540
>cry about it? you sound like a miserable piece of shit so why would i take life advice from you when i'm successful with a beautiful wife and kids who love me despite your petulant whining about muh family values like some schizoid christian
actually I am pretty happy trooning out in my mid 30s with nobody to worry about but myself. i can be whoever i want to be whenever i want to be it. saying you wont listen to my observations because they don't have a feel good vibe is pretty cringe on your part. ostrich mode it up i guess, but you are going to have a really rough time on this website where people speak their mind.

the truth is your kid is going to love you regardless. judging if you are doing okay or not as a parent by whether your kid loves you or not is a pretty fucking low bar to meet.
i love and continue to love my mom despite the huge errors she made raising me that objectively fucked me socially in adulthood. i get that she was/is deeply flawed and she did her best. but that doesn't change the fact that i wish she had been better and i wish i had been brought up with a father present.

your wife is stuck with you and she is trying to make the best out of it. as a single mother approaching middle age she has basically zero prospects in the dating market. you have most likely ruined her life and destroyed her plans, yet at the same time sticking with you are the best choice she has out of a selection of shitty options. you are holding her hostage and she is coping with it as women have evolved to.

sorry if that fucks with your rose tinted view of reality but that is actually what is happening here

>>38040765
Yes, I already know what it's like for a male friend to agp troon out on me and this is like the worst possible version of that. If I was in that situation I'd be borderline suicidal.

>>38040765
>Any other straight trannies sympathize with "trans widows"?
yep, its one of the reasons i created this thread. i feel so bad for these women that took their shot, invested their youth and prime years into a man, and now are expected to be a transbian for him.

before i trooned out i was a straight guy, tried being gay and it 100% was not for me. if i had married a woman and she wanted to start taking T i would have been gone so fast. i didn't want a masculine life partner then the same way i do not want a feminine life partner now.

>>38040867
who needs "transphobes" when we have youngshits

>>38041150
Sorry we aren't onboard with you subvert everything bullshit

t. oldshit

>>38040540
Anon there was SO much more than Jerry Springer and Maury, if you ever bothered to look. Yes It wasnt as vast as it is today, But there was more than enough out there to give you to 'vocabulary' you needed. But if all you ever bothered tune into was Springer or Maury... you def arent an inquisitive one.

Def got extremely lucky it all didnt blow up in your face tho.

>>38041150
AGPs are some of the most transphobic men out there

>>38041302
And that is a good thing. Normal gender roles have served us well for tens of thousands of years.

The world is going to hell right now, do you think we should throw out more traditions that worked? Do you seriously think now is the time for that?

>>38033017
>t. Cis dyke

No, you're not, and not everyone is incompetent at raising kids like you are.

>>38041366
the world is going to hell precisely because we're fighting over whether the girls sports teams should have a federal penis inspector instead of actual, materially relevant issues that affect everyone

>>38041366
>putting on a dress and telling your wife and kids to call you a woman is abiding by traditional gender roles
hmm

>>38041411
women's sports is literally their safe space not to suffer permanent injury competing against male athletes. trans people belong nowhere near that. there are a million and one ways to spend your time, pick something else. the debate over this is indicative of larger social issues

>>38041416
ain't what im saying at all

>>38040617
okay good for you?
do you want me to apologize that my penis feels good inside my wife or what?
y'all are weird af
>>38040864
>saying you wont listen to my observations because they don't have a feel good vibe is pretty cringe on your part.
not what i said. i said you sound miserable.
what the actual fuck is "ostrich mode"? touch grass holy shit
> judging if you are doing okay or not as a parent by whether your kid loves you or not is a pretty fucking low bar to meet.
i don't take parenting advice from people who don't have kids btw
> your wife is stuck with you and she is trying to make the best out of it. as a single mother approaching middle age she has basically zero prospects in the dating market
lmao she has a decent job and she could easily find a boyfriend/husband you're so obnoxiously presumptive... this all just sounds like the things you tell yourself to cope
> sorry if that fucks with your rose tinted view of reality but that is actually what is happening here
sure lmao, a stranger on the internet knows my life better than i do because of stereotypes they've made up in their head
delulu
>>38041291
>you def arent an inquisitive one
yeah no, i was. i read every psychology, philosophy and religious text i could get my hands on. trans identity simply was not on my radar for the first 25 years of my life. i don't think you will ever get it because you lived in a different world

>>38041150
for real, catty little highschool bitches

>>38041836
>read psychology
>psychology
>I had no vocabulary to express my dysphoria
>trans identity simply was not on my radar for the first 25 years of my life

LMFAO then you must either, have a room temp IQ, you're a ragebaiter, or your dont actually have dysphoria and you are just a creepy hon AGP fetishist

>>38042108
im voting all of the above but many such cases
men going to men it doesnt matter how they obfuscate it or justify it with ad hoc excuses after the fact

>>38042108
>"trans identity"
yeah no dysphoria

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>>38031088
I don't get how anyone would think getting married and becoming a parent while having unresolved gender issues is a good idea but I don't really care either

>>38038146
Family values and looking out for those who YOU decided to drag into your life is actually important. You can stop with the Reddit atheist Christianity le horrible shit

>>38031088
"Trans widows" (and the pickme trans women that support them over their own kind) are such fucking snakes
>how DARE you not keep being my living dildo no matter how emotionally painful it is for you

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>>38043409
Why'd you marry a woman if you don't like using your dick? Why would you marry anyone if you have unresolved gender identity issues and are hiding them from your partner?

AGP trender husbands should have thought about being truthful to their spouse before asking her to be his partner for life.

>>38041501
my sister got 3 concussions in 6 years of amateur adult sports. zero trannies in her league. fuck off with the idea womens sports arnt dangerous.

i literally saw in the 5 or 6 games of hers i watched no less than 2 instances of blood per game and also saw 2 instances of broken bones.

sports are dangerous.

>>38043409
LMAO, talk about darvo, it's the exact opposite way around, the wives initiate the divorce and the troons seethe
>rrrreeeee nooooooo how DARE you refuse to be my cock socket anymore just because I trooned out, SUCK THE GOCK BIGOT

>>38043743
Yeah you are right, they are dangerous. I had a friend (girl) that did college level soccer, got a lot of concussions. They don't need to get any more dangerous by letting in manframed transatheletes.

listen fuckstuck, I have gone down from 185 to 155 from hormones. I get how much weaker this makes me, but I also get that im still abnormally large for a woman and it wouldn't be fair to them.

>>38042699
>drag into your life
another person implying being trans is some sort of contagious illness or ruins everyone's lives, y'all really need to chill out
> You can stop with the Reddit atheist Christianity le horrible shit
yeah, no. i have 20 years of experience with them and won't ever stop calling them out for the cult they are, don't need to go anywhere near that garbage website to know this
>>38042108
i have a phd-level education, anon, call me low IQ if it makes you feel better. yes, i read psychology... mostly jung. he doesn't talk about trannies, anon, neither does schopenhauer etc... so i'm not seeing what kind of point you're failing to make

i'm not "ragebaiting" and i don't buy into your moronic false dichotomies that try to box people in like the gender roles i've already dropped like the useless baggage they are

>>38042125
>>38042134
you people are so tiresome... you wonder why you're losing the cultural battle when you shit on your own kind. useless morons.

>>38045320
>another person implying being trans is some sort of contagious illness or ruins everyone's lives, y'all really need to chill out
what the fuck?! I wish I was born cis. I never wanted to be trans. this shit is horrible and humiliating. i can hardly wait until i pass well enough that i can put these rough days in the rear view mirror and just have a normal life

how in the fuck can you think being trans doesn't fuck with everybody around you? all your friends become 'friends with that tranny' and have to live with that shit. it affects everyone

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>>38045588
These people cannot even conceptualize the fact that many trans people despise their birth sex and felt extreme discomfort from it long before they even knew what "trans" meant. To them, living as a man was actually acceptable, but they somewhat prefer living as a "woman". That's why they usually never try too hard to pass or to distance themselves from their assigned gender in any way. To them, their trans status is a like putting on makeup in the morning. It's surface level, doesn't matter at the end of the day, and isn't reflective of reality in their eyes or in others...

>>38045320
>you wonder why you're losing the cultural battle when you shit on your own kind. useless morons.
implying i dont defend your retarded gross ass when the cards fall and dont just vent by talking shit about you here