kek there's no way for leftist troons to win
breadtube aka annoying moralfags trying to be edgy to an audience of semipro edgelords
>>38511296>>38511314Left left people suck at being edgy. Gotta bring back the 90s liberals
>>38511296no breadtubers or whatever really focused on mens issues or anythingi think im one of the only people who has a nuanced take about that sort of thing anyway but ill never make a youtube video
>>38511296lol wutbreadtube is famous for being extremely insular and hostile to anyone who isn't already on boardthey didn't try to deradicalize anyone or change anything material, it was just socialist-flavored grifting for youtube money
>>38511343The problem is people with nuanced views have no interest in making youtube videos. I include myself of course, I have zero interest in making or watching talking head videos on youtube and don't understand why anybody would.
Stop saying these retards are "leftists," they're liberals who carry water for Billionaire and, by extension, CIA policies. The USSR, the flagship leftist project of the 20th century, did not play LGBT shit, it did not have socially liberal policies, it had strong borders to point of paranoia. They even had internal migration limits. These retards support Koch brothers policies, because only in a capitalist, oligarchic system would the customer for life trans bullshit be feasible. Leftism is about protecting the worker and their family, this bullshit destroys families and atomizes people for neoliberal capitalism.
>>38511296>idealism didnt workwell darn
>>38511377It's about protecting the platonic idea of the worker. The actual human will probably face the wall, be starved, or otherwise be unpersoned for anticitizen behavior.btw the ideologically pure always get gone in the first round after the revolution so that they can't start a second revolution after they realize how badly the first one went.
>>38511296before breadtube most people were sympathetic towards left wing ideas, breadtube had such a painful level of self-righteous smugness that it actively pushed people to become right wing.
>>38511343I literally can't think of a single one who didn't. they just framed it as a result of toxic masculinity (which it is) which men get mad at because they don't understand the term
>>38511432>real idealism has never been tried
>>38511431>The actual human will probably face the wall, be starved, or otherwise be unpersonedHappened far more in capitalist empires than in socialist states idiot>ideologically purethe "ideologically pure" big chunguses justifiably killed during the multiple purges initiated under Stalin were in fact traitors who sold party memberships, collaborated with the growing fascists movements in europe at the time attempting the undermine the USSR, and otherwise abused their positions of power in order to further their own local goals contrary to the will of the proletariat. They were justifiably shot/made to work, and the same must be done to the oligarchs currently running the west for the worker to have any chance at a decent life.
>>38511475oh wow tankies still exist
>>38511337Some people are also not allowed to be edgy based on how they look. White people get an easy pass to be edgy
>>38511475>Happened far more in capitalist empires than in socialist states idiotbro mao
>>38511475>They deserved it, it won't happen to me!
>>38511448we need a big blue collar dad type guy with a southern accent to talk about men's issues and not just say "man up" or some variation of that
>>38511495>he believes the mao propaganda mao killed 100 gorillion people but somehow managed to leave behind an industrialized world power with a billion and a half people lmao>>38511509I'd be doing the liquidating buddy
>>38511532>I'd be doing the liquidating buddy
>>38511296>> leftist troons to winNow when will you move to my side, to the right we need more people. We are wolves and there are way too many of us to fight. We grow in numbers every day. So join us and become a safe foundation or stay there and waste away!
>>38511448The understood it perfectly well. They saw their male privilege being threatened by the critique of masculinity and gender so they fought to take it back. When will idealists learn?
>>38511372in 2016 it was explicitly advertised (as in, got some articles in more normie-centric media) as "deradicalizing" the """at-right"""the idea isn't completely baseless, there is a group of super edgy bois that can actually switch between radical left and radical right seeing either as the ebin anti-establishment rebelsofc what breadtube actually succeeded as was an echo chamber for the most boring kind leftists, but that's just streaming platforms for you, it's the only realistic way to get decent growth metrics on youtube
>>38511554they're just hurting themselves with that though which is what they're not understanding. this is why male suicide rate is astronomically high.
>>38511585explain why toxic masculinity is the reason men commit suicide
>>38511592toxic masculinity doesnt cause nearly enough men to kill themselves
Breadtube failed because the main audience for it is EXTREMELY hostile and combative. Every breadtuber got cancelled over and over because their audience holds them to comically impossible standards, meanwhile rightoid youtubers can literally do no wrong no matter how disgusting they act (and their audience often prefers they be as evil as possible)
>>38511532>mao killed 100 gorillion people but somehow managed to leave behind an industrialized world power with a billion and a half people lmaouh I mean there's no contradiction there, birth rates were pretty high
>>38511612try to keep your moid rage in check budtransitioning doesn't give you a free pass
>>38511296Because breadtube was Anarchist. Chapo Trap House, on the other hand, created many lifelong Communists."Leftist" is a term embraced by Anarchists because it continually absolves their incoherrent ideology and praxis. When Communists make successful revolution, Anarchists are able to claim them as "Leftist" victories. When Anarchists fail to accomplish anything, they again implicate Communists in "Leftist" failures.I'm going to really start hammering down on this distinction, because I'm sick of seeing shit like this. Breadtube is not my problem.
>>38511557that isn't new, mainstream media completely misrepresents social media for clicks all the time
>>38511585You can't avoid hurting yourself. If you decide to do the "right thing" you end up sacrificing your own self for a better world that might never materialize even after your lifetime. There is little benefit for the average person to try and overthrow gender. Most people want simple answers to immediate problems and the extent to which they understand the bigger picture is simply which side is more likely to benefit them. Ironically the breadtube contributed to the growing awareness of how gender dominance operates and if anything helped those men recognize themselves in it, pushing them to consciously adopt the reactionary posture in hopes of getting submissive tradwife pussy in the future.
>>38511296>an attempt to court and deradicalize the alt-rightit's not possible to court and de-radicalize someone without conceding their most basic beliefs. convincing a "white male alt-righter" that, eg, blacks aren't murderous or that it's okay for white people not to exist in the future isn't "deradicalization", it's something that would require total reprogrammingSo no there was never a "position" where that "strategy" was going to work. The fact of the matter is that human heredity -- real race differences, real gender differences, the reality of IQ (and more), the immutability of certain socially valued outcomes in the face of governmental intervention -- the question of human heredity is so important that in the current day it is the distinguishing "friend/foe" factor sine qua non. I can literally have more constructive arguments with a raging communist who acknowledges that black people are stupid and violent for genetic reasons (note that there are very VERY few people who fit this description!) than I can with a "right winger" who doesn't, because I don't live in the same factual universe as that person.
>>38511296Thing is its hard to deradicalize people and very much something someone has to start for themselves. Not to mention we're talking about how this is a bunch of freelance people with no funding, unlike the right wing propaganda machine where billions of dollars are being funneled. No shit it didn't magically work. You can't even "facts and logic" with right wingers because theyre inherently anti-intellectual. Why even try when they just intentionally lie and misrepresent statistics?
>>38511680>You can't even "facts and logic" with right wingers because theyre inherently anti-intellectual. Why even try when they just intentionally lie and misrepresent statistics?actually, everyone does that. it's not a right-wing thing specifically
>>38511680>anti-intellectualdidnt breadtube have a big "debate is actually bad" arc for years?
>>38511475>happened far more in capitalist societiesNo it didn't>sipping for StalinJesus Christ anon..
>>38511296>guy goes from left => right "Hell yeah brother, welcome to the club!">guy goes from right => left "FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU WHY THE FUCK DID IT TAKE YOU THAT LONMG YOU VILE PIECE OF SHIT FUCK YOU ALL MEN ARE PIGS FUCK YOUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!"real headscratcher
>Hontra should have repped, and if she simply HAD to be a heroin addict, never ever admitted it>Toob REALLY should have repped>Hasan is basically an Arab alt righter, he'd be a pepe nationalist for Ba'ath Iraq if it still existed, his leftism is all window dressing, I don't know why this doesn't get brought up more>Destiny should not have let his wife fuck niggers and should not have sucked cock>Anyone matching the descriptiob of "alt girl" should have never had a go at it (munecat)>Vaush should not have been a hentai addict, should not have talked about loli hentai, should not have talked about the age of consent, should not have talked about legalizing child pornography, should not have kept """shortstack""" hentai in his downloads folder, and should not have opened that folder on stream>Keffals should not have bragged about boiling plastic bags and mailing the phytoestrogens to people's kids, or not been on youtube at allOkay, those are my notes. I wasn't really familiar with most of them. Does anyone have any others
>>38511296Breadtube failed to convince men because most of their men trooned out. They think being a man is a sin.
>>38511866i NEED contrapoints to sit on my gock. Then I would give her a back massage
>>38511866hbomberguy should have gotten rogaine and really should not have claimed dark souls 2 is the best game in the series.
>>38511631>muh ChapoThey are even bigger Dems than Breadtubers.>but muh PalestineThey spent a decade campaigning and funding Bernie that has voted for all the Israel funding.
>>38511907this what an unnecessary quagmire lol. I forgot that even happened. breadtube broke onto the scene with a dogshit attempt to refute Matthew Mattosis...time flies man
>>38511592hey sorry I was busy, toxic masculinity isn't the concept of masculinity alone, it's the idea that some of the ideals in it when taken to their logical extreme result in harm to men and women, the primary way it contributes to mens suicide is because it forces this machismo persona where you can't open up at all without being considered weak, if youre weak you're a failure, this all ends up contributing to the male loneliness issues because if you can't be genuine your friendships feel a lot more hollow, and if something bad happens to you you're not allowed to open up about it.a common response to this is that women also judge on this which yes is true but no one is exempt from influence of their society and we're all partially guilty of perpetuating these ideas which harm everyone
LMFAO at this thread.Leftists are such worthless retards, who would want to associate with you freaks?Toxic masculinity is you looking in the mirror and crying because of your porn addiction, troon. YWNBAW!
>>38512016>>38511448
>>38511992oh shit someone who actually knows what toxic masculinity is and how women contribute to it as well
>>38512016Agreed. We strongmen are rising, and people will destroy this leftists nonsense in the coming coup de tat. And fascism will be in charge in Evropa and Amerika. AVE!
>>38511992>these ideas which harm everyonewhen will you stop being such a complete idealist lolIdeas don't harm people. People aren't harmed by bad ideas in their heads and they are not going to be saved by humanities majors dictating correct thoughts into their brains either.
>>38511907Tbh he was like 20 something at the time
>>38511759This is pretty much it. The movement was entirely dysfunctional because it was full of stupid kids that thought they were pretty much "destined" to win so they didn't have to think strategically at all.
>>38512163>when will you stop being such a complete idealist lol Ideas don't harm people.no offense but this is a terrible interpretation of what I said, I clearly outlined it means these ideas lead to behaviours which harm people, which is just true
Kiwifarms is even being indexed by google again, that had to be deliberately done, a bunch of google people got in a room and verbally agreed "actually fuck trannies" and listed the site back
>>38512381And when Trump's stupid ideas make everyone's lifes worse you know who they're going to blame don't you?
>>38512381kiwifarms isn't really any more or less bad than 4chanthere are parts of reddit that are worse than both
wow, so you mean watching a 10 hour video essay about the marxism of the movie minions didnt work
>mfw the left spent 60 years taking over academia and hollywood to control how people think and all the right did was start a youtube channel and they won
>>38511296I forgot this was their mission to deradicalize young (white) men. I guess based on this >>38511759Guys still feel attacked, threatened, and criticized at every turn, forcibly driven to the margins of society.Wonder what would actually deradicalize young men I guess just being given submissive fertile housewives and free money and lots of ego stroking so they can feel empowered. Maybe it would help them to just have sex? In which case breadtube did it's job by creating more trannies except they were all icky lesbians ahhhhhhh!!!!
>>38512449People are willing to take advice from a hgh-fried retard who eats roadkill nowdays
>>38511377>The USSR, the flagship leftist project of the 20th century,Youre so fucking cooked, at least cite Rojava not the dessicated antidemocratic empire.
>>38512333>these ideas lead to behaviours which harm people, which is just trueAgain, you are an idealist so you are biased towards the primacy of the idea determining behavior which is not true in reality. In the true dialectical process behaviors reciprocaly determine the ideas which come up to explain those behaviors. Masculinity itself is more than an idea, it is an objective determination of society rooted in the division of labor, which is why the purely idealist critique of "toxic masculinity" has to leave the bulk of masculinity alone and focus only on its harmful excess, which it blames on a lack of self-expression. Encouraging men to "open themselves up" does not actually lead to a reconcilliation between the genders since the division of labor in society along gendered lines remains intact, your idealist critique being completely powerless to change that.
>>38511377Sorry man, no one wants to live in the USSR so bringing up USSR is pointless. China is a much more attractive as a socialist project and even they had a famine and fucked the gender ratio with the one child policy.
the left used to have masculine guys like stalin, che, fidel.But those guys would have gotten canceled in the modern age.The right has cornered the market on masculinity because the left decided men were useless and toxic.
>>38512488Rojava didn't exist in the 20th century, alphoomer
>>38512490Its ridiculous anyway, Marxist Leninism has no place in the modern world. For the love of humanity drop the fucking labels and focus on making community bonds.
>>38512517There is no community if workers get fucked in the ass and exploited.
>>38512514Im older than you, just hungover and unable to respect people doing this soviet shit still. My point is entirely that the imperialist, vanguard party led anti democratic foreign nation isnt a good thing to be citing. The hell is leftism to you anyway?
>>38512532What do you want here, you want me to walk you through every single stage of organizing and why its important? Yes dumbass we are in a class war. And our enemies' greatest weapon is mass propaganda distributed on the internet. Being a hyper online Soviet partisan will achieve less than nothing, you need to work in your community. Idk if youre american too but Food Not Bombs is more important to human survival than the Communist Party.
>>38511296Was it? It catered exlusively to deranged commies (typical dem voters). Hostile towards freedom, free speech, whites and honestly, reason and truth too.
>>38512587The Republican party?
>>38511377>muh liberalThere's literally no difference between them and yourself. You all hate borders, whites, meritocracy, freedom, men just as much.
>>38512533you can call the Soviet Union all thes terrible names you want but it doesn't make the case for leftism any stronger.the creators of the Soviet Union were 100% ideologically committed to Marxist materialism and the advancement of social justice. and yet, when they tried to implement their ideals, they accidentally created what you call an "dessicated, antidemocratic empire"
>>38512595There are no white people that hate white people, none, literally zero. You just equate not hating blacks with hating whites for some strange reason.
>hontra>Siegesissy>Nyxland>The boymoder podcast>Willow the nazi linguist>TaftajThis is the lineup that was needed to save the trans race, but they chose boring retards instead.
>>38511377>Leftism is about protecting the worker and their familylol No ideology has ever been more harmful for the average worker than communism. Those who don't starve or wind up in deathcamps, under your rule, have to live in squalor, as slaves. Compare the state of the relatively free workes in the US to the state of those in socialist europe. Despite all the gibs over there, they'e poorer and more indebted. Far less free too. Your ideology just sucks.
>>38512449if you think this is the right "winning", you deserve what elon musk wants to do to you.
>>38512601>There are no white people that hate white people, none, literally zero.Who do you think you're kidding? White dems vote for the own replacement and servitude. They desperately want whites to become second class citizens here. No dei or critical theory initiative is ever enough for them.
>>38512592>the infinitely more libertarian and pro-freedom side is the authoritarian o-one!Honestly, just pathetic.
>>38512610You do know that the USA dominates global trade and capital markets with the use of force and that's the reason that the USA is so rich.
>>38512626See? Once again. Having nonwhites around is "hating white people and wanting them to be second class citizens". This doesn't follow. I don't hate any race of people, and nor does any other person that doesn't hate brown people. If you can't understand this you are either disingenous or actually incapable of understanding other people can reach conclusions different from you. No whites hate white people, it simply doesn't happen. That's just your way of saying they don't hate browns.
>>38511866>hasan is le rightwingYour political standards are insane.
>>38512596>the creators of the Soviet Union were 100% ideologically committed to Marxist materialism and the advancement of social justiceHahaha what? No, they werent. Theyd have laughed at you for that one. Where to even start? Marx & Engels told Russian socialists they did not approve of their actions and found them frustrating in correspondence. Lenin threw out Marx & Engel's democratic angle and replaced the workers with the state. In fact the Bolsheviks are responsible for crushing the emergent Soviet (Council) system that *was* actually in alignment with Marx & Engel's theory of worker ownership. Soviets were worker councils that ran municipalities, industry, daily life really. When the Bolsheviks used their party apparatus to infiltrate the Soviets, it was entirely on the premise that they needed to be broken in order to establish the supremacy of the vanguard. Which btw Marx also rejected, not a vanguardist old Marky Marx.
>>38512637Well yeah obviously anarchists are better than democrat-republicans.
>>38511448>they don't understand the termmaybe if the only people who correctly understand a term are the people for whom it's not really important to understand it, it's time to find a new way to communicate the idea. i don't truly believe that people talking about this care about faithfully discussing it because they just keep making this mistake over and over. the majority of guys who hear you telling them about their toxic masculinity are going to interpret it as an attack on them because that's what it sounds like, if you refuse to change your approach that means you want it to sound like an attack and they were right.
>>38512651>nothing anti-white about making whites minorities in their ancestral homelands, robbing them of the political and cultural independence, literally robbing them via taxes and giving the money to the invaders, instituting obviously anti-white, discriminatory practicesOver the last decade, numerous leftist politicians have been pretty frank about how they hate whites and want us under their foot. Leftist minorities arent even hiding it.
>>38511296u mean leftist in general. after so many years with so many lies, no actual change and literally NO ORGANIZATION retarded american lefties will remain divided and bickering with each other.and all my sisters will suffer...
>>38512645>america's prosperity has nothing to do with its economic policies>actually writing thisThis is why no self-respecting person supports you. You're batshit insane.
>>38512661blah blah blah>only I have the correct interpretation of Marx and Engels' sacred truths, nobody has ever tried to implement them in reality (other than possibly this mostly agrarian ethnic community that is under the security umbrella of the United States)
>>38512670"Anarchists" are commies that join leftist terror orgs from the old ussr. They froth at their mouths when they encounter truth. They're animals.
>>38512651>. I don't hate any race of people, and nor does any other person that doesn't hate brown people.so you think literally nobody in the entire world hates white people?
>>38512695>american prosperityWe cannot afford housing anymore and have insane wealth inequality that is dissolving our democracy into privatized fiefdoms while the cost of food and education also soars.I agree its because we keep subsidizing do nothing biollionaire oligarchs and their allies the democrat-republicans, they're a tremendous drain on our resources.
>>38512595>uh sweety, capitalists and anticapitalists are actually the sameAnd here we have the chud coping over the fact that he can only understand the world through the mental image of a Team A and Team B idiotball game. This is what happens when you think you're clever for repeating Fox News talking points you heard second hand instead of actually engaging with political theory.>You all hate borders, whites, meritocracy, freedom, men just as muchYou're the same faggot who keeps spamming the word "bolshevik" like a trained NPC whenever you see something you don't like lmao. I love how you can just type that word into the archive and see all your schizo posts going back years. All your posts are exactly the same.
>>38512708based
>>38512695Fucking up nations that don't play ball with the USA is part of the economic policy.
>>38512704No people have tried, many of them were shot by Boksheviks lol. Id have been of them id like to think. You should be less defensive regarding your species' history. Learn it. It wont hurt you.>>38512708Mostly SWIM gives food to the hungry, go to bad concerts and organizes against authoritarian actors in the region who conspire to make it harder for folks to live. If its terrorism to give water to the thirsty, i have to ask why it only seems to scare the owners of Nestle.
>>38512718How does it feel to realize that you don't matter? You are to serve your superiors, the billionaires.
>>38511296Your average breadtuber is a pedo worshiping freak who thinks people should be violently forced to obey the state. >>38511448That's because to the left 'toxic masculinity' covers all the healthy, useful male behaviours that make people likely to resist their precious government.
Imagine you are dating a tranny and she starts talking about this boring nonsense. Instant ick. What is your favourite k-pop band?!
>>38512753oh sorry sorry what I meant was>nobody has ever>successfully>implemented my understanding of Marx and Engels' sacred truths in reality>instead they all diedbear in mind that this line of reasoning is supposed to convince people to try and implement said ideology
>>38512532There is no community if corporate bootlickers flood your country with foreigners.
>>38512682Being a minority isn't bad, white people qualify for welfare too, moving into a place doesn't make you an invader, I don't support "anti white discriminatory practces"? You're just subbing in your own conclusions and once again, refusing to understand people have differents beliefs than you, I don't hate white people. I don't care what "majority" is anywhere. Because I don't care about race.
>>38512775>Imagine you are dating a tranny and she starts talking about this boring nonsenseidk for some reason annoying leftism/libshitism is kind of a turn on for me>"omg can you believe that conservatives are">flip her over>start rubbing boner against her ass
>>38512786Are you for the free market or not? No government interference.Surely an indian can come over to work if he does it cheaper than you. That's the market doing it's thing
>>38512759Theyre my inferiors desu, i dont require billions of dollars to survive. Frankly if SWIM ever saw on in real life SWIM could really make SWIT really regret their lifestyle choices. Theres no sense in playing pretend though. Ultimately every oligarch is a half-person, half human and half wealth. They do not have real agency or beliefs anymore, just yawning hungers encouraged by the wealth parasite they invited into them. Its why they fall into k holes and rape kids and pay so much for propaganda (that doesnt even work) to make people like them. When people dont like me, i move on or i earn their trust. When a billionaire is unloved its the end of their world. I am secure i am more human than them.
>>38512789you should care about race. I can all but guarantee there are traits, at the level of humans and communities, that you care about that have very significant correlations with race>crime>social trust>competence>intelligence>honesty>altruism
>>38512726>muh fox news, teams>all your posts are the sameAnd so are yours, you know. Just look at what you've written. If you had any self-awareness, shame and understanding of the world around you, you'd probably rush to close the thread. Every leftist that I talk to here is completely interchangeable. You all spout the same reality-divorced, illogical, hypocritical nonsense. You all posture as things you're not. At least I'm right and sensible when I repeat myself. I have the force of truth on my side.
>>38511296>breadtube>has nothing to do with bakingfuck you
>>38511630try not to be triggered by words you see on the internet you petulant little faggot
>>38512781Oh, no not all of them. And also i wouldnt even call myself a marxist really im just familiat with marxism and youre incorrect about it and marxist-leninism. Also you seem to think those are the same thing.
>destiny, while trying to appeal to white men, lets his wife fuck scores of men, have her dance with the black guy she's about to fuck in the background of his stream, sucks dick, supports biden>degenerate, child-abandoning dwarf >petty much the most unlikeable person on the planet too>clearly a sociopathlol
>>38512849Yeah, Republicans don't have a monopoly on sociopaths. There is market competition.
>>38512862I'll post my hairline if you post hands
LMFAO you deleted your post? peak triggering
>>38512831lol
>>38512815>n-no u...ok tourist
>>38512905hey man he's the one who deleted his post, not me
>>38512889>>38512901Im a 3rd party, i regretted posting because i double checked and i wasnt sure who was who in your debate. While i think its well and good to "hairline" a pissy boy, i dont think its nice to do to a woman who is already dealing with a lot from society. My hope was if you werent the pissy guy you wouldnt see the post thinking it was for you and get upset. Its my own compulsion to avoid harm more than anything else desu
>>38512806I am a Nationalist, anybody who wants open borders is a corporate stooge.
>>38512918interesting cope
>>38511377Arbitrarily recreating the social and material conditions of mid 20th century Russia for zero fucking reason is probably the most anti-materialist, and thus anti-Marxist, thing imaginable.Daily reminder that Cuba has set the gold standard for LGBT protections under the law:https://peoplesdispatch.org/2022/09/26/cubans-just-ratified-the-worlds-most-progressive-family-code/
>>38512927But corporations hate open borders for humans, theyre only supposed to be open for capital. Anyone trying to move here needs a corporate approved visa from the democrat-republicans that relegates them to a position of deportable precarity, not assimilated citizenship.Open citizenship thats what i want. You get the culture, you get democracy, you want a better life; i want you here ASAP and i want it to be safe as possible specifically to fuck over corporate and cartel elites who profit off illegal immigration.
>>38511296why do they blame young white men for Trump? Oldwr whire women voted more for Trump than young white men did.
>>38512938Oh. No im like, really serious dude. Im harm avoidant af, like i cant even swerve away from animals on the road without crying. Its wrong to willingly hurt others. Thats all. I am going to make brunch now
Hi I'm an ugly retard and I like talking about stuff I have zero influence over and getting really mad about things I have zero control over.
>>38512941This is the real reason tankies are retarded. Nothing to do with muh gulags muh holodomor, it's that they're just retvrn rightoids but for mid-century Russia instead of mid-century America. We need something new.
>>38512963lol
>>38512958i don’t have the stats on hand, but maybe it’s an issue of historical changes. if older white women have always voted similarly conservative but younger white men are voting more conservatively now than previously, it’s still something to consider
>>38511732>No it didn'tyes it did. The american prison system is significantly larger thzn the gulag system ever was, and the USA has killed far more people than the USSR ever did, the people the USA killed/kills are foreign people, killed in wars of conquest, so you fucking sub human americans cant feel epathy for them
>>38511925>They are even bigger Dems than BreadtubersAh yes, the guys who told their audience not to vote in 2024 are dems, lol
>>38513033>The american prison system is significantly larger thzn the gulag system ever was,really though that's only because we have so many black and brown people here, in fact we incarcerate them a lot LESS than we did 10-20 years ago. anyway we don't have many political prisoners compared to the USSR at its peak>the USA has killed far more people than the USSR ever did, the people the USA killed/kills are foreign people, killed in wars of conquestyou care to run that math for me? the only estimates I've ever seen that put American or "capitalist" kill counts higher than that of communists are the ones that include dubious stuff like attributing every death of starvation/malnutrition/disease to "capitalism". they don't generally restrict themselves to war deaths
>>38512718Spoiled firstie only knows life inside the bubble>oh no I scratched my iPhone with my diamond earrings! The US sucks!
>>38513082Hahahaha you admitted you are brown.
>>38512789Then surely you would see no issue with some countries in Africa being 50% white, right?Leftists will look at a 100% black place and say it's diverse because to them "diverse" = not white
>>38512927Most nationalists are statists really and they are ready to to fuck the citizens to grow state power (military might).
>>38512507He also openly hated gays and blacks. The modern mainstream left is made up of a bunch of sheltered firstiemomma's boys who never faced any real hardship and worship corporations as long as they promise to have gender neutral bathrooms
>>38513154I'm pretty sure you can emigrate to an African nation if you get employment there.
>>38511532>I'd be doing the liquidating buddyYoure a literal fucking tranny. A refuse-waste drain-on-society tier unperson. Pariahs like you are the first to get disappeared. Always.
>>38513242more like the second ones to get disappeared actually
>>38513078>the only estimates I've ever seen that put American or "capitalist" kill counts higher than that of communists are the ones that include dubious stuff like attributing every death of starvation/malnutrition/disease to "capitalism".All of the "comunists killed 30 gorillion people" attribute every death by stsrvation to communism, not only that, they attribute every death on the eastern front of ww2 to communism.but heres some quick death toll stats for active conflicts the US has either started or participated in:>untold millions of natives killed in the Indian wars>at least 2 million civilians killed by US strategic bombing in ww2>2 million people killed by US actions in the Korean war>3 million people killed as a result of the Vietnam war>at least 5 million deaths attributed to the war on terrorand again, this is just direct military action, if we did the anti-communist "every death by any cause under communism is atributed to communism" meme the number would probably be over 100 million
>>38513087If you live in the anglosphere half your country is brown There are also whites who are not pants on head retarded like Americans. Non-americanised Germans or Frenchmen for example.
>>38513233South Africa is like 90% black nowadays and they still complain about being oppressed by whites. Meanwhile nobody on the mainstream says a thing about China buying half of Africa.
>>38511296there is a way for right wing trannies to win though
>>38513286I'm gonna say the GWoT number is not five million unless you're being very generous with second order effects eg "Ahmad killed Abu Ali because the USA deposed the dictatorship that used to have a monopoly on violence in his village"the rest of the numbers seem more or less alright but that puts our war death toll at like 10 million? I don't think that's more than the USSR (but most of that was just due to WWII)
>>38511672>nightcore fanummm based and kawaii roflcopter
>>38513373right wing trannies lost by default
>>38512958Show proof. I really doubt that.
>>38511377While It's important to center families and cishet people in socialism, you also can't forget the existence of minorities. Trans people are like 0.5% of the population at most and are basically irrelevant. Follow science and don't get caught up in these culture war psyops. Don't give your enemies the initiative in which issues we talk aboutBuild the Party, Save the Nation, Serve the People!https://youtu.be/d9V_HGXNYGQ?si=TdO84Dib944eF6UW
>>38513078>dubious stuff like attributing every death of starvation/malnutrition/disease to "capitalism"...dubious? Starving to death and dying of exposure simply because it wasn't profitable for the billionaire class to feed/house those people is ABSOLUTELY a fault of the capitalist system. Especially considering the Soviets had solved this shit by the 1950s. In fact, like other anon said, the whole "victims of communism" meme only came about because the Black Book of Communism did shit like count dead Nazi soldiers on the eastern front as "victims" and did mental gymnastics like counting the "babies who weren't born but totally would have been had the communists not made the rain stop falling" as victims based purely on population projections made before famine had hit.Communists never lebensraumed entire continents worth of native people in pursuit of resources to plunder or tried to genocide a race of people off the fucking globe based purely on memes like the capitalists did. No amount of projection can hide the absolute horror capitalism has inflicted on the world.
>>38513869well the thing is those deaths happened in undeveloped brown/black countriesif there were white people starving to death or dying of exposure under capitalism then it would be a really stinging criticism of the system, but there aren't
Anyone who thinks they can ”deradicalize” alt-right etc. with rhetorics is deluded. The people in it are in it because it entices them by making politics cool and empowering to them (even though they’d rather slit their wrists than use the word empowering themselves), and because it relies on feelings that increase self-worth, trying to fight it with the video equivalent of text walls is literally useless, no matter how good arguments you use.The way I see it, there are only couple of real likely routes out of it>on invidual level, personally know someone close to you who is hurt by those politics - it usually leads to either burning the bridges, or deradicalization through seeing the other side of the story>make alt-right uncool or disappointing - which at this point isn’t happening through leftist campaigning, but more likely through western culture taking a more conservative turn, yet things still staying disappointing for young men -> which in turn leads to them looking for something else to put their hopes onThat’s just how it is sometimes, political moments can be near impossible to defeat from ouside until they crumble under their own weight when the supporters see that it actually didn’t lead to a paradise.
>>38513986You can't fight idealism with more idealism. The modern culture war is almost entirely virtual. People engage in it to experience meaningless defeats and illusory victories while the process of universal real world exploitation continues unabated. It's a perpetual battle of ideas in a world where ideas count for less than ever before. The powers that be are largely indifferent to it except for where they can opportunisticaly leverage cultural divisions to reduce their bottom line or get closer to monopoly capture. No wonder most people report improved mood after checking out from the politics circus.
>>38513869you are never going to guilt people into becoming communists, especially using woke rhetoric (which is just secularized Calvinism and race-baiting)Listen to people's actual concerns and empower them to take action. People are so worn down and treated like shit by our current system. Messaging should focus on both personal and national rejuvenation, not collective punishment for past generations. People are hurting now. They can't afford to build their own future. Lack of housing, employment, lack of healthcare, quality education, disruption from automation and AI. these are all extremely important issues and ones that western leftists (Baizuo) never talk about. Communism is here to save America from the parasites who've taken it over. Throw off the Epsteins, techbros, speculators, scammers, grifters. Build the Mass Line and listen to needs of the people. Every action should have the principle of "Serve the People" first in mind.
>>38513004Id rather see you laugh desu>>38513082I think its important to always seek ways to improve regardless of home>>38513154Leftists dont really care about racial demographics, in fact many of us will t3ll you plainly that race is a scam.>>38514079>The modern culture war is almost entirely virtualThis is why, and im very serious, the first group to successfully log out and put all efforts on material gains will """win""".
>>38513986>political moments can be near impossible to defeat from ouside until they crumble under their own weight when the supporters see that it actually didn’t lead to a paradise.yes, please remove all jews blacks and browns from society so that we can see once and for all that it doesn't result in paradise
>>38514098Look this is cute, i said similar in 2016, but knock it off. Nobody cares about calvinism, youre preening to feel smart and in charge using the internet to feel like youre dictating party strategy. Youre not. Youre farting in the wind. And youll never call enough people bezoars or whatever to motivate mass movement from this position. If you want to help you need to be doing very small, very boring local acts of mutual aid right.
>>38514098>you are never going to guilt people into becoming communistsNo, because 99% of the time it's only material conditions that can shape a persons personal beliefs and any future revolution in the imperial core will inevitably originate from the global south because of this. Your post is so fucking weird to just assume that was the goal here, did you have difficulty following the context of the convo or something? :/>woke rhetoricBoomer buzzwords isn't an argument btw.
>>38514148Not that anon but you dont get it, """removing""" those people is impossible. Youll never get them all, definitions will expand and shrink and every step to establish the removal process will come at massive cost to the tax payer, massive profit to the tax owner and the general lowering of living standards and democratic inputs. Youll never get there youll just make a mess that *we* (including the people you fucked with) have to clean up.
>>38514201hmmm no I think we can get most of them without much issue
>>38514152just admit that you don't want to win. no one makes statues of critics>>38514164you aren't even attempting to hide your spectacular contempt for the American working class. Good luck getting anyone but deranged trotskyists (spurned liberals) to support your political program consists entirely of wanting to punish them for the actions of previous generations. Supremely ironic that supposed Marxists are so obsessed with the past and have no regard for the future. Go emulate existing successful communist movements like the CPC
>>38514243you have a branding problem. nobody likes "communism". your platform is basically socialism with a nationalist bent, right? and I assume your base is mostly meant to be laborers. so maybe you could call the party like, the American Nationalist Socialist Worker's Party.
My experience with the American "Left" >Being told that I am "broken" because of whiteness, and that I need to donate my free money to specific black people and literally kowtow to them>having people defend a racial pogrom in my own neighborhood because it "attacks bourgeois small businesses" (black generational wealth)>being told that literal drug dealers are more proletarian than actual working class laborers>being told that having pride in my own community and culture (which has a centuries long tradition of working class organization) is reactionary, and that I need to drastically reduce my quality of life to make up for past imperialism>being told that my culture and nation is irredeemable and need to be continuously punished for past transgressions>obsession with DNC internal politics and electoralism>gaslighting about the state of an increasingly low trust society >literally worshipping lumpenproles, condoning drug addiction and homeless encampments>being told that my culture and ethnicity (American) is both not real, and also needs to be replaced>extremely poor hygiene and unpleasant to be aroundCPC>reclaim national dignity>Serve the People>focus on the Future and improving the lives of people now, not getting hung up on past grievances>focuses on material issues and dialectical materialism>builds institutional competency and meritocracy >guided by evidence backed science I'm going with the Chinese on this. It's time to end this period of national humiliation and rebuild American Pride. Western "leftists" are among the most repulsive people I've ever encountered, they are the largest impediment to building socialism in America. It's time to leave them in the past and Serve the People
>>38514148>there will be paradise on Earth once our movement X achieves Y>t: every fucking utopian political movement in historyThe point is that no such political movement ever achieves all the goals and promises it had in the beginning, they all will fizzle out in one way or another. They will shift the equilibrium, they will leave their mark, but eventually every movement promising grand transformation will lose its luster due to failing to fulfill all it has promised.
>>38513930>white people dying under capitalismat this rate, you'll end up dying because of homelessness, starvation, or police violence. take a look around you.
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Literally all the left has to do is stop problematizing male sexuality and male interests, but that would require abandoning identity politics in favor of class politics, which will never happen because all leftists are closet liberals who really just want to ERP on discord and complain on twitter for social clout rather than actually working to build a coalition of working-class Americans, who they have never interacted with in real life and whom they secretly despise.
>>38514098Based. Champaigne socialists whom are stuck in the past will be left beneath the earth. We, the working people, we will own everything. And we will be happy.
>>38513930reminds me of the time that my supposed leftist peers laughed at the idea of poor Whites dying of opiate overdoses in a group discussion, they weren't even aware that my only sister had OD'd literally the week before
>>38514243Instead of larping, go ahead and explain how the security apparatus of the United States will EVER allow dual power to be built up anywhere in the imperial core (especially burgerstan itself). The closest anyone ever got in the US was the Black Panther Party and they just shot and killed them until they weren't a threat anymore. Just like the murdered an entire generation of communists in Greece and Indonesia when they got a bit too "red" for comfort. The American working class has never been allowed to organize properly. Miss me with this "contempt" shit lmao.
>>38514411it's a bit different when the "achieves Y" is just the way things used to be, wouldn't you say?
>>38514226Youre wrong, "you" and "them" will never even be defined.>>38514243Statued are usually crafted by cool people in the image of weak shitheels who subverted popular will. Fuck your statues, we're going memorial garden on this
>>38514448it's a serious problem and I don't think the "harm reduction" strategy has reduced harm. international diplomatic action should be taken against the suppliers ie war against cartels>>38514415police violence is down from its peak I'm pretty sure starvation isn't a problem, America overproduces food and you can get it for free in any metro area from a food pantry. the only people who die of "starvation" in America are people who live alone and like get trapped under a mattresshomelessness... well you don't die from just being homeless but I do thinks housing is too expensive >>38514417*predator hand shake*
>>38514498>Youre wrong, "you" and "them" will never even be defined.
>>38514452the US security apparatus couldn't even stop overweight boomers from their coup attempt. US intelligence is mostly retarded Mormon boomers caught int he 20th century. Both political parties are loathed by the populace and people's standards of living are rapidly decreasing. The US is rapidly approaching more foreign adventurism at the same time that it's military and social power is rapidly fading. as a great man once said "There is great chaos under heaven - the situation is excellent" The writing is on the wall. Current conditions aren't livable for average people, and they will look to anyone that can provide a real solution. It's supremely important to build organization and structure that's able to channel their rightful frustration into real political change. We need to combat identity politics, resentment politics, and reach out to real people and deeply understand their needs and frustrations
>>38511866>should not have talked about legalizing child pornography,he never advocated for legalizing cpt. vaush hater
>>38514499Americans increasingly don't have access to quality, healthy food. Empty calories based on onions and corn derived products aren't real food, they are slop
>>38514499>>38514579furthermore, i'm a leaf - so basically Belgium to France, and the bread lines are unironically going empty. There was a charity event that my poverty-stricken ass went to when I was 12, around 2017, and when I was 19, last year. There are now people fighting at the line, there are now very empty tables. Barely anything to go around. There's more people in need of these bread lines. The situation is getting desperate, we have all this food lying around, food that WE HAVE ALREADY PAID FOR IN OUR LABOURS, that is REFUSED to us. Shit is going to change lol
>>38514511Free meaning what? White meaning what? Thats from 1790, they didnt even agree on those terms and they were relevant political units then. In 2025 youre going to crack the final definition for these that all oligarchs approve of? Nonsense. Youll be enriching the oligarchs who plunder our people until me and the other free humans are called upon once again to fix what you broke.
>>38512945>But corporations hate open borders for humans, theyre only supposed to be open for capital.Nta, what are you talking about?In the corporate view, humans are capital to be exploited, and therefore corporations love open borders because it bids down the price of human capital to the detriment of those humans.
>>38512941>Cuba has set the gold standard for LGBT protections under the lawcommon cuban W
>>38514692So open borders for capital basically means that Wal Mart can be anywhere and send its money anywhere. Corporations dont know borders, theyre international and go wherever; shifting capital wherever across state lines. If they want to open factories in nations with poor labor conditions to save money on artisinal child miners, if they want to register their company as being somewhere that wont tax them or if they want to shutter production in one region for political reasons: they can. They can just do that. They can also send their agents anywhere as they have the money to finance the legal travel. So, why keep the borders closed for humans? Well thats what keeps labor prices down. If we had open citizenship in this country where assimilating applicants to the point of easily passing citizenship tests, that would mean higher wages for everybody involved. Illegal immigration serves the corporations and their friends in the cartel: when Juan can't demand minimum wage or workplace safety measures it's everybody else in Juan's line who suffers regardless of citizenship. The threat of deportation is there to keep the Juans in line so they dont get too uppity and demand fair pay or employee ownership. No deportation....well whats stopping Juan from reporting your OSHA violations and wage theft?Cartels love militarized borders too, thats keeping them employed. A militarized border is just another privitized government service, like when your city cuts on subway budgets while citing uber as a replacement. The government refuses to bring people in and assimilate them, so the cartels step in and offer the service. Theres no trains this late, but the cartels offer you an uber, get me? This is a trifecta. Cartels make money on illegal immigration, corporations make money on illegalized labor while the democrat-republicans use the sideshow as a distraction and way to enrich contractors.
>>38514802Oh and under this system guess what? If you tell the oligarchs to give back what they stole, they threaten to leave using those borders they opened for capital.THEY JACK *OUR* MONEY, TRAIPSE HALFWAY ACROSS THE WORLD AND PRETEND IT'S THEIR'S BY RIGHTAND AT THE SAME TIME THEY CLAIM IT IS ILLEGAL AND UNNATURAL FOR HUMAN BEINGS TO MOVE BETWEEN REGIONS SEEKING OPPORTUNITYI dont mean to shout but uh, that seem fucked up to you at all? Its the opposite of human nature really. If theres a God, he's either laughing or crying at how we flipped her system.
>>38514802>So open borders for capital basically means that Wal Mart can be anywhere and send its money anywhere. Corporations dont know borders, theyre international and go wherever; shifting capital wherever across state lines.Yes.>Cartels love militarized borders too, thats keeping them employed. Yes.>>38514802>So, why keep the borders closed for humans? Well thats what keeps labor prices downNo. Basic economics. Constrained supply increases price. Flooded supply floors price.The distinctions you draw between legal and illegal migration won't matter when any resident can lose their job to a global pool of lower bidders. It's basic arbitrage.Could you bleed off arbitrage opportunities eventually with true open borders? Possibly, but it will take 100 years. And even then, that assumes free market movement in a space (international politics) rife with surface area for creating inefficiencies for gain.
>>38514894>The distinctions you draw between legal and illegal migration won't matter when any resident can lose their job to a global pool of lower biddersUnless of course that pool or pools of bidders engaged in collective bargaining. Other healthy social policies like direct democracy and a social safety net are good ways of increasing their negotiating power as well. That pithiness aside, a regulatory econony that does not accept the transience of capital would also be limiting this. If corporations cant pack up and leave, they have to work with whats available or can be enticed.More to the point if we want to knock out all the authoritarians here properly we'd want employee owned businesses. No oligarchs, just populists who cooperatively own their workplaces. I am 100% assuming the cleanest implementation possible here though just we can argue the merits, i dont think either of us is going to really hammer out what this would look like while fusing into our current system.
>>38511557Hopping between extremist ideologies (on literally all sides of the ideological spectrum) is incredibly fucking common among the population that is stupid enough to join terrorist...sorry I meant "extremist"... groups. Because it turns out all they really want is nihilistic destruction. All that idpol speak is just window dressing to make it seem like it's for a bigger purpose.
lol imagine believing that online posting would be able to paper over the material conditions that cause young men to radicalize. just get them good jobs and free healthcare, they'll go outside and stop posting so fucking much that their brain turns into slime.
>>38515084>radicalizeYou're a commie that wants white genocide, and they just want freedom and their race surviving, though.
>>38515208>wHiTe GeNoCiDeWell meme'd, tourist.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijd3LcGZsto
>>38515208The fuck are you talking about
>>38515223>it's not real, watch this breadtube video made by a communist who wouldn't admit if it was real regardless!ironic
>>38515272>that thing i cant prove? Its real. That guy who debunked it? He's a liar. How do i know? He denies the thing i cant prove.Honestly bro you belong in diapers if youre doing this
>>38515223>>38515272oh, and from a cursory google search it seems like this guy has a history of genocide denialismare you trying to convince me the great replacement is actually real or something?
>>38515272Yeah, I imagine ignoring any and all data cited is probably essential to maintaining the /pol/tard worldview lmao
>>38515208
>>38515294lmao you didn't cite any datayou linked a youtube video
>>38515294I would like to actually just confirm that as a former /pol/yp. It is very common to ignore inconvienent realities and retreat to thought cancelling mantras. What sucks is that its sort of insidious how it takes root, it becomes a reflex you cant turn off and the gap that should be filled with reflection gets filled up with short term dopamine loops from playing your gotcha card. Plus the attention is killer, you say something retarded and everyone comes out to teach, swaddle, scold and mock you. If youre lonely it feels good.
>>38515306What an idiot. Hey between you and me did that youtuber schmuck cite any data?
>>38515293>genocide denialismA bunch of western liberals on reddit sperging out over State Department larps like the "holodomor" isn't some rebuttal, anon. This is why no one takes you seriously :/
>>38515363It's always repression. It's ALWAYS repression. Like fucking clockwork.
>>38515363>white supremacist and transphobe was deeply repressed and lonely, recants when given chance to self actualize among communityIamsosurprisedhowcouldthiseverhappenwhaaaatsorandomimeanRANDOMlikesorandomlol
>>38515272western "leftists" don't deny that their aims are eventual replacement of the native population. they are motivated by race resentment and guilt politics. Extremely disingenuous to deny this when Baizuo will explicitly tell you this is their goalThe aim should be the liberation of the existing American working class, not woke social engineering or racial pogroms. Western "leftists" are thinly veiled reactionaries, they just believe we should live in a minority supremacist fascist state, not a white supremacist one. The point is to move past resentment and build the future. Serve the People!
>>38514499so when you say that Americans don't have access to "quality, healthy" food -- what you mean is that Americans actually consume too many calories because we eat foods that are too effective at addicting us into consuming them in excess. I agree that it's a serious problem and it causes a lot of excess mortality but it's basically the opposite of starvation. >>38514670the food lines in Canada are going empty because of imported Indians that shamelessly use them for free shit despite being able to afford food lol. I have seen the videos
>>38515420>western "leftists" don't deny that their aims are eventual replacement of the native populationSure we do, you couldve just asked. Hell Sam Seder alone has hours on the subject. You want a link? Its good, hes a silver fox.
>>38515348no idea, I'm not wasting my time watching tankie shit>>38515358actually it seems like he's denying some kurdish genocides, and denying massacres and oppression done by saddam hussein in general. He's also ridiculously pro-china, and even I think the uyghur genocide was a bit of a memebut yeah, probably a good guy to link if you need someone to deny population replacement, given his willingness to do so in the past for other ethnic groups
>>38514687>Free meaning what?not enslaved>>38514687>White meaning what?we actually had arguments in Congress concerning this and they reached perfectly workable delineations by nation-of-originit's not that hard. you could also do DNA tests to keep everything within the Hajnal line but that discussion can come after all the obvious browns and blacks are gone
>>38515306...you really thought this was clever huh? people pick up on when you're trying to weasel out of an argument anon
>>38515084what they need is not jobs and healthcare what they need is gfs and children
>>38515378>>38515398she was born to a major leader of the kkk it's not like she chose to be a white supremacist due to repression. She was indoctrinated from birth.
>>38515331>i turned myself retarded to win internet argumentslmao god polfags are dumb
>>38515429none of these Baizuo are communists, they are just the mirror image of the fascists they supposedly hate. Communists fight for mutual cooperation and peaceful coexistence, not inflaming racial resentment and zero sum thinking.
>>38515208>thesis: Okay so whites are absolutely being replaced in their own countries, we agree that that is 100% happening, BUT since you can't specifically point the finger at a specific small group of people that is specifically planning to do this, then, even though it literally is happening and I agree that it is happening and that it's a good thing, you can't call it "The Great Replacement" because technically "No One" (ie no specific one person or small group of people) drew up the plan to replace "You" (which totallly is happening by the way), QED "No One Is Replacing You". >and never mind the fact that the entire capitalist class speaks glowingly of this phenomenon and is cooperating to usher it along funny how the communist ability to analyze classes as forces that affect society -- which was the idea that kickstarted the entire movement -- just completely evaporates when dealing with this one subject. I just hate the dishonesty so much. This is why Breadtube never de-radicalized anybody, their arguments are WRONG
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>>38515363AnechoicMedia_ is the best account on that website
>>38515527GOP 4 Year Plan
>>38515452Oh. So then you didnt even know if there was data proving you wrong.>not enslavedOk sure but thats not a legal category anymore, it was diffused into things like debt peonage and prison labor. Also deportable labor statuses. All of which are perfectly profitable and adjustable tools to wring money out of people. So this "free" thing isnt exactly wrapped up lol. Shit was written by slavers and is operated by their modern contemporaries and you think theyll respect your "freedom"? Youre not even going to be allowed to talk about climate change soon or deny corporate personhood you stooge.>we actually had arguments in Congress concerning this and they reached perfectly workable delineations by nation-of-originThe fuck are you talking about>hajnalThe FUCK are you talking about Im sure your brilliant DNA based citizenship scheme is exactly what the oligarchs meant, definitely. And they wouldnt just shift legal protections to get cheap labour again. No way!
>>38515483Well theyre reactive certainly. And that lack of self control is an obstacle to learning.>>38515467Fuck that sucks. To be clear i was not shitting on her at all. I meant what i said about self actualizing. A lot of these authoritarian types are overgrown children. Its why theyre obsessed with paternal states and legal disciplinary action.>>38515493Sam may or may not be a buizel but he hss never called himself a communist lol. Too pragmatic. Too new england. Fuck i lust for him.
>>38515452>tankieNeat buzzword anon. Are you just pretending that the vast majority of the global left isn't Marxist-Leninist, or are you unironically this ignorant? Once the minority of loud western leftcoms build tangible socialism outside of their fucking reading circles is when they get to have an opinion worth sharing with anyone else.>kurdish genocidesThe problem with googling for a rebuttal on the spot and copy+pasting what you found on reddit is that you miss out on the fact he's half Kurdish and has spoken on this at length. Nice red herring, though.>He's also ridiculously pro-chinaWhat's the issue here?>and even I think the uyghur genocide was a bit of a memeIt was a complete meme from the fucking start.I will admit that he does glaze Saddam a bit too much. That we can agree on.
>>38515545I think you forgot to reply to my post, but I'll reply anyway>>38515545>not enslavedsince slavery isn't a thing in white countries anymore we can just extend that to "all white people". easy win >>we actually had arguments in Congress concerning this and they reached perfectly workable delineations by nation-of-origin>The fuck are you talking aboutWe did. Congress argued over it plenty of times and lots of cases were decided by the Supreme Court, too. You can look it up. The current census bureau definition is really broad -- "A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa." -- probably too broad, but it's a start.>>hajnal>The FUCK are you talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_European_marriage_patternA fun little bit of social anthropology to read! By "the oligarchs" do you mean the first Congress of the United States of America? Because, no, they didn't no what DNA meant obviously. But they had concerns other than the price of labor in mind when they wrote that document
>>38515659>slavery isn't a thing in white countries anymore we can just extend that to "all white people". easy winNope, it was diffused into things like debt peonage and prison labor. Also deportable labor statuses. All of which are perfectly profitable and adjustable tools to wring money out of people. So this "free" thing isnt exactly wrapped up lol. Shit was written by slavers and is operated by their modern contemporaries and you think theyll respect your "freedom"? Youre not even going to be allowed to talk about climate change soon or deny corporate personhood you stooge.>The current census bureau definition is really broad -- "A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa." -- probably too broad, but it's a start.Your example of a neat state definition of whiteness is one you explicitly consider in need of revision? Thats just agreeing that I was right and these categories are never going to be ironclad.>hajnalJesus no wonder hes obscure. Thats a weird theory to begin with. Didnt even need his wiki page to tell me he was a STEM guy who got the STEM-schizo disease. Itd be even weirder to include as part of your state mandated whiteness test. >the oligarchsNo the oligarchs of 2025. But there is obviously continuity in their aristocracy and ideology.
>>38515736It's fine that the definitions aren't ironclad. They're better than nothing, and right now we're using "nothing" as the standard. so even a messy substandard dividing line would be preferable
>>38515736Oh also re hajnal line (which is no longer considered credible), this is its origins>The earliest conception of the theory was created by Werner Conze, a Nazi anthropologist.[67] He refined the racist ideas of his mentor, Gunther Ipsen, as well others, who sought to link racial attributes like skin color and ethnicity to marriage patterns.[68] His deeply flawed[69] analysis of Baltic nuptiality data left an impression on decision makers in the German military, convincing them of the latent racial inferiority and alienness of Slavic people. Since the 1990s, Werner Conze's influence has been linked by German scholars to the mass murder of millions of Slavic civilians during the German occupation of central and eastern European countries.Nice! Well i trust that guy! Hajnal sounds like a mild disgrace to his nation but hell im not hungarian so thats up to them.
>>38515778lol but do you know what the criticisms actually are or did you just glance at Wikipedia?because the criticisms amount to "central and eastern europeans also should be included." it doesn't exactly invalidate the concept
>>38515765>It's fine that the definitions aren't ironclad1. Then why did you argue against me saying they're fluid?2. How can it "be fine" when this necessarily means the most profitable demographics will be targetted due to the profit motive? There are no barriers here lol.>we're using "nothing" as the standard.Yeah. And thats what race is based on you bumbling fool. Do you just want to be a slave or something real bad?>>38515801Actually i completely studied the topic in depth after hearing about the topic a few minutes ago; OF COURSE I CHECKED WIKIPEDIA YOU DITZ YOU CITED AN OBSCURE AND DISCREDITED HUNGARIAN THEORY PROPOSED BY A NAZI That said the criticisms are much better defined as "you made sweeping assumptions without access to relevant data". Id also throw in that the entire concept of Europeans as opposed to Eurasians is laughable but some folks arent ready for that.
>>38515836I never argued against them being somewhat fluid, just against the idea that they're totally unworkable. You point out that they're vulnerable to the profit motive but that's always been the case and it didn't stop us from using those definitions as a legal basis in the past>Yeah. And thats what race is based on you bumbling fool. Ah, here's the problem. No, that is not true. Race is a biological reality. It's a general term and all it means is "type" or "group". It can refer to larger or smaller groups of people that are biologically related to each other -- for instance one could refer to "the white (European) race" or "the Japanese race" or "the Irish race", "the ancient Latin race" and so on without misusing the term. It's most easily understood in analogy to the word "region" from geography. You can needle about geographic definitions and boundaries all you want, but nobody seriously believes that "the American Midwest doesn't exist">Actually i completely studied the topic in depth after hearing about the topic a few minutes ago; OF COURSE I CHECKED WIKIPEDIA YOU DITZ YOU CITED AN OBSCURE AND DISCREDITED HUNGARIAN THEORY PROPOSED BY A NAZI well you could have at least checked the one sentence summary of what the criticism was first lol. again if someone wants to let everyone from Lisbon to Hokkaido be an American citizen -- that'll still be a lot better than what we have now.
>>38515882>You point out that they're vulnerable to the profit motiveNo, *beholden* to. *Originating from*. >last timeEvery prior occaision youd care to name has gone down precisely how i have described it. >Race is a biological realityNo. In fact it is not. It has never been something anyone has been able to reliably deduce scientifically with consistent results. You can change your racial category by moving from south africa to southern texas. This is due to how mixed heritages are unaccounted for. Systems that had to account for mixed heritages like the Spanish empire had their systems break down from the weight of contradictions. At most you could say that race exists as "a subjective category pertaining to a spectrum of ethnic heritages as perceived by a culture". >well you could have at least checked the one sentence summary of what the criticism was first lolIm sorry, you didnt make this point very well. What did you mean tell me?
>>38515974>Every prior occaision youd care to name has gone down precisely how i have described it.um you might not be aware but there have actually been racial apartheid states in history and there is an active ethnostate in the middle east right now. no government lasts forever but it seems that it can actually be made to work
>>38511296breadtube was a cia/american deep state operation or at least they helped them. it was about making american liberal capitalist imperialism popular with young western men
>>38515990Wow, which racial apartheids managed to exist into the modern day with their racial systems intact? And where those systems consistent with each other? Oh, jeez, they werent huh? That sucks>israelYeah of course you love Israel lol. Good example for me though, they havent met someone they arent willing to murder for money yet. That nation of nebbish assassins runs the gamut of ethnonationalist contradiction: mass genocide while claiming freedom, territorial expansion against previously protected groups, denial of citizenship to residents of the state for the purposes of cheap labour; and dont even start on how ridiculous their behavior towards Jewish Ethiopians are.
>>38516048well I was gonna say Israel but also I kinda hate Israel so.but they're pretty stable despite what you call "contradictions". a state can literally just choose to ignore contradictions in fact we do it all the time
>>38516067I would not call the international pariah with rising domestic resistance and huge swathes of its territory and populace embroiled in a warzone and or concentration camps "stable". I wouldnt even call it a pleasant place to live. Its an improvement over North Korea's ethnonationalism i guess? Can we even grade elite greed?
>>38511296Skimming the thread, seems like there’s been no consideration that leftist ideas might just be worse ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>38516089they'd be fine if they just relocated. as is -- and it gives me no pleasure to say this, but -- they probably have the power to kill all of their enemies which is another solution
>>38511732>2025>still demonizing uncle joeISHYGDDT
>>38516101I mentioned it a couple of times ITT but then, yknow I'm not a leftist
>>3851133790s liberals are called classical liberals, and they are now considered far right by the left
>>38516101Im always open to it but i never get presented a good argument. When i was on the right i was also open to opposing arguments. I heard good ones, now im here.>>38516109You can't "just" relocate and the Israelis will never run out of state sanctioned enemies to deprive of legal protections; including Israelis and Jews. Its just naive to imagine theyll "kill all their enemies" lmfao thats like, video game talk.
>>38516127Uh we just call bill clinton types centrists or neoliberals actually. Thats what they used to call themselves actually back when liberal was used more commonly as an insult than self designation. Think Reagan up through the Limbaugh years. When Obama made liberalism appealing again a lot of these guys were like "oh yeah thats what i meant". And im not disagreeing per se, but its all a shell game over the same policies.
>>38516129The relocation comment was a joke, but like how long does an ethnostate need to exist for you to not consider the idea unviable? Israel has been around for 76 years and only expanded during that time, does that not count? If they slowly expand for another hundred years does that still not count? If Israel lasted 500 years and then collapsed would you call that proof that proof that Israel was unstable all along?
>>38513033Do you really think that USA attacking the middle east is because of capitalism? did you really fall for the "oil" meme? jesus christ
>>38516169Pat Buchanan could have saved this country
>>3851615090s liberals dont agree with todays neoliberals on almost anything
>>38516101China is exceeding the West on almost every single important metric. The quality of life is dropping throughout the West, life expectancy is falling, birthrates are falling, optimism seems like a joke. Americans see that their leaders are drug addicts and sexual degenerates. Elon Musk is a ketamine addict. Mike Johnson (third in line to nuclear command authority) needs an app to keep his masturbation addiction in line. The American president is infamous for his lack of character virtues. Greed and antisocial behavior are incentivized, and a normal life with housing, healthcare, and children is increasingly out of reach of the average Westerner. This doesn't even take into account the US funding of genocide in the Middle East, motivated by Epstein style pedophile blackmail on western leaders.Meanwhile, China is on a near exponential track of growth and social development. It's funded respectful development in the global south through the belt and road initiative and pushes for peaceful global relations and mutual development. The Chinese youth are incredibly optimistic about their future, and have full faith that their government has their back and supports their prosperity. The future is Communist, it's becoming increasingly more difficult to deny so
>>38512610What do you gain from making shit up on the internet? Care to explain why the vast majority of people who actually participated in former socialist experiments think life was better back then and wish for a return to socialism in their countries, and why it's only burgerbrained westerners who think otherwise?
>>38516180don't forget that the NeoCon movement explicitly grew out of Trotskyist groups
>>38516225
>>38516225>be a nationalist developmentarian authoritarian ethnic empire using a mixed economy to achieve social goals>call it "communism" so nobody gets madI genuinely wish America would copy this strategy. I would be so very far from mad
meanwhile in China
>>38512695Literally ignoring the austerity policies the IMF forces onto the global south so that the imperial core can continue it's plunder of cheap resources by keeping them underdeveloped isn't an argument. This is why mutually-beneficial Chinese trade deals with Africa and BRICS expansion has been such a thing lately.
>>38516225>>38516290The Chinese economy is in the shitter right now and so are their demographics. They have zero chance of taking Taiwan, let alone beating the west
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>>3851616476 years isnt even a lifetime and it has been a horrible existance for many living in or even just near Israel. So yeah 500 years of stability would be better than almost one Joe Biden's worth of catastrophic years.>>38516182Ok. Such as? I doubt this.
>>38516451so like the actual cutoff is 500? a random google search says 150 years is the average lifespan of a state and 250 for empires
>>38516469No i was mocking how little 75 is especially when its literally been Israel levels of shittiness. 150 years of relative stability would also be a huge improvement. This is a "how many grains of sand to make a dune" style question ultimately but sure 150 good years.
>>38516542so... 150 years, but also the 75 years that it's already existed don't count.what about the 150 or so years where the USA was an ethnostate? does that count
>>38516553Those werent 75 good years lol they were 75 years of all the atrocities and ineffeciences i laid out, a disasterous paradigm for the region.>what about the 150 or so years where the USA was an ethnostate?Please dont do this. My heart will actually break. Are you American? Do they...do they not teach kids about slavery anymore? Or the native genocides? Or the treatment of offwhites like the Irish, Jewish or Italian? In school did they never teach you about slave, native or labor uprisings marching to met the state's forces? Cuba, do they talk about what we did in Cuba? For God's sake what did they teach you that Squanto handed the keys to the place over to George Washington and the pilgrims built the railroads?
>>38515208Do you have white children? If not, please stop posting and rectify this immediately, as you yourself are contributing to this very dangerous genocide if you do not do so!>>38515466Is having a good job and good healthcare not strictly advantageous for getting a gf and raising children?
>>38516317>chinese economy crumbling ANY DAY nowanon they've been saying this ever since the communists took power, give up on the copeyou're right about demographics but literally everywhere in the world that isn't a shithole has that problem
>>38515426no, they mean that the hyper processed carcinogenic slop that the vast majority of americans sustain themselves on is complete and total trash. cope fucking harder
>>38516041vaush is the only one I know of that acted like a glowie sometimeshe really cranked up the fearmongering with the trans genocide shit and started saying some real glow in the dark shit about buying guns and fighting back
>>38516317>let alone beating the westright now no but conservitards kinda just fucked the west over by electing a bunch of greedy ass richfagsgood fucking luck america>>38516653you're suggesting they care about any of that stuff
>>38511296>bloomfilters slopchrist. one of the most annoying tranime yuritards that come across the timeline. all xe does is shit on fujos and yaoi in mindless academia speech all day. why do people like xer
>>38511866Hbomber, Hasan, Contra, and Destiny all have active audiences lmfao
>>38517154only a tumblr poon would care this much
>>38512488bruh its not 2018 anymore imagine being an anarchist
>>38517168I like how you immediately assumed I’m a poon because I don’t want to see the words of a tranime autist
>>38516041I fucking wished they mass converted young men to liberalism
>>38511296Also I’m not surprised OP denies that breadtube kind of did successfully introduce leftists ideas to normie gamers. She has nothing to say about them because she’s irrelevant outside of Twitter where she seethes about the most autistic topics to her AGP base. The one silver lining about Trump acquiring Canada is this person will mald about it kek
>>38517195liberalism means nazism to tankies
>>38516999I dont care if he is capable of understanding why those things matter, im the one evaluating the culture. And i know i could be asked to hold a rifle for the state, be shot at by the state, be shot by survivor's of the state, be politically oppressed by the already militarized state, etc. And i sincerly dont think i could live near the Palestinians and not help them, itd be psychic torture. So no thank you. 75 years with nothing to show for it but mountains of dead bodies and few franchises with brand names written in hebrew. Garbage.>>38517175Ok, not your brother and i dont need to imagine. Look you get older youll care less about labels. Pragmatically democratic socialism is the best bargain i think we can strike with the lazy and parasitic elite and thats after a lot of pushing. Ethically obviously im an anarchist, i dont know about you but when i refuse to kill its because im not a murderer. Not because the state said no.
>>38511448two kinds of men get mad at people talking about toxic masculinity: the people who are the problem who don't like being called outrepressed trans women who don't like being grouped with "other men" in any contextthe "I'm not one of them though!" crowd are mostly closeted transbians
>>38516968And ultimately ended up being the most right. When the recession hits watch who they're going to blame
>>38511296How many time do uggos need to hear people want to be like people they think are cool? Lmfao trenage boy aint wxactly finna be some twiggy ass femboy when andrew tate is validating all their concerns.
>>38517364yeah he'll be right in just two more weeksbetter start shooting people now though just to be safe right?
>>38511585Name one cool leftist male social media figure that is white and straight. And i dint mean naruto club cool.
>>38511882Dont forget a whole gen of “omg u wont date sarah the pre hrt trans girl? Why cuz you are straight? But she is a girl! Bigot!!!” “Maybe i am a bigot” *goes to google and gets reinforcing dialogue on the manosphere*
>>38512478Nah they would rather take advice from say dan bilzerian than pre transition philosophy tube lmfao
>>38517405Oh sam seder. Silver fox. Ill say it, classically handsome man.
>>38511448Then don't use the term. Why are you all such fucking unadaptable retards? Jesus christ.
>>38517247That probably has something to do with the long history of liberals and social democrats aligning themselves with literal fascists before EVER making common cause with communists (the most famous example being them allowing the rise of Hitler in Germany instead of forming a coalition with the communists). Thanks for yet again showing us how anyone unironically using the word "tankie" is completely historically illiterate.
>>38516317>T-TWO WEEKS!!!go to bed zeihan
>>38517703you know the commies actually literally unironically aligned themselves with the nazis and formed a coalition with them to invade poland with them right?
>>38514572>should not have talked about legalizing child pornography,>he never advocated for legalizing cp>t. vaush haterthat's true but he tried to make weird arguments that it wasn't morally judgment-worthy to consume, no matter how much he later tried to backtrack and claim he hadn't tried to do that
>>38518401You mean the non-aggression treaty the Soviets were forced to make so they could prepare for the inevitable war after the west denied them an anti-fascist alliance for over a fucking decade? "aligned themselves with the nazis" my fucking ass. The Polish government didn't even fucking exist once the Soviets made their move. They didn't do anything like handing over Czechoslovakia on a silver fucking platter like the capitalists did.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/3223834/Stalin-planned-to-send-a-million-troops-to-stop-Hitler-if-Britain-and-France-agreed-pact.htmlI'm very much curious about your opinions on the Four Powers Act, the Hitler-Pilsudski Pact, the Anglo-German Naval Agreement, the Anti-Comintern Pact, the German-British non-aggression Pact, the German-French non-aggression Pact, and the Lithuanian, Danish, Estonian, and Latvian non-aggression Pacts as well.
>>38518572why were the soviets forced to invade poland trankie?do the dance for us funny man
>>38518595Poland was a right wing dictatorship committing ethnic cleansing of their own. It wasn't some smol bean victim lmao. Would you have preferred if the Nazis occupied the entire country before Jewish refugees could flee further East? Should the Soviets have just allowed the Nazi war machine to start off Barbarossa even closer to their borders? I swear liberals have a Marvel Cinematic Universe understanding of world history.
the third worlders who come here to post twitter screenshots curiously like to crop out the amount of likes these tweets get, seemingly out of shame that the trans people that run these accounts are vastly more popular than they'll ever be
>>38511377transphobic tankies, in my tranny board, on my nazi site?
>>38511631>Chapo Trap House, on the other hand, created many lifelong Communists.Chapo has no real political beliefs, they exist to just spread gossip about politicians
>>38511672>If you call yourself leftist, you can get away with embracing non-socialist economic positionsLook, we're trying to kick out the tankies and revisionists, ok??? It's really hard!
>>38516901>>38517722>LA LA LA ITS NOT HAPPENINGlol I didn't say China was collapsing just that its economy is doing poorly right now.
>>38511866>>Hasan is basically an Arab alt righter, he'd be a pepe nationalist for Ba'ath Iraq if it still existed, his leftism is all window dressing, I don't know why this doesn't get brought up moreTruthnuke
>>38512449>all the right did was start a youtube channel and they wonfox news, the radio, tabloid newspapers, buying out twitter, widespread astroturfing
>>38512637so libertarian that they ban weed and porn and abortions
>>38511448im trying not to say it
>>38511554No such thing
>>38511645This is why no one takes you seriously. What the hell is overthrowing gender?
>>38515536Its so over sisters..
>>38515467She? What are you a bigot its they
>>38515363What does white supremacy have to do with being a tranny
>>38511296NONE OF YOU ARE WOMEN.YOU ARE ALL MENTALLY ILL MEN WITH A FETISH FOR WOMENS CLOTHING.YOUR PARENTS ARE ASHAMED OF YOU BECAUSE YOU TURNED INTO A SKILL-LESS, JOBLESS, LOSER WHO LATCHED ONTO TRANNY SHIT INSTEAD OF LEARNING AN ACTUAL SKILL WORTH A FUCK IN THE WORK PLACE.THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A “RIGHT WING TRANNY”. THATS JUST SOME CROSS DRESSING FAGGOT WHO HASNT HAD HIS ASS BEAT BY THE BOYS YET.TRUMP WON, MAGA
>>38518947every tranny should be right wing they literally enforce the gender binary.
>>38515223>citing hakim videosplease stop, you're embarrassing us
>>38518953realistically they should be committed into military style conversion therapy and them give them factory jobs when they get out mandatory for a few years to toughen them up.
>>38518963No they should all make love with me so i can calm down
>>38512474>In which case breadtube did it's job by creating more trannies except they were all icky lesbians ahhhhhhh!!!!Every tranny should date men
>>38511494real lol, imagine me trying to be edgy as an autistic black trans woman with no ties to the hood, even tho some transphobes bring out that urge deep within me, but it wouldn't hit the same coming from me, just like it doesn't hit when loser men are saying these things
>>38518970>porn addicted tranny cope
>>38518947>your parents are ashamed you didn't become a wageslave drone to make profit for bezosand that's why i hate them and NEETmode instead
>>38511616Holy shit kill yourself
>>38518956>usHi Langley.
>>38518990Im not a fucking tranny im a dude
>>38519007You are just some entitled loser who never bothered to apply himself to anything to do with schooling or gaining a real world skill that could actually get to a job. You were too worried about videogames and “shitposting” instead and eventually turned to tranny shit as a cope.>>38519019Then act like it, faggot.
>>38518988>loser menThis is why i hate you leftoids
>>38511296What does the word breadtube mean?
>>38519025I dont have too Also how do you even act like a man in a internet forum? You are making me sound like the retards im critizing here
>>38519025>You are just some entitled loser yes, i'm entitled to existence>who never bothered to apply himself to anything to do with schooling or gaining a real world skill that could actually get to a job.i'm highly educated in computer science, just fuck being a wagedrone
>>38519032Bread lines or something because that is what their garbage ideology will lead too eventually
>>38519032https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conquest_of_Bread
>>38519026All trannys are leftoids, all leftoids are the enemy. We have to stop them here and everywhere>>38519038So you’re a lazy piece of shit who gave up as soon as it required any real time or effort on your part, good job loser. Way to impress your parents on top of the sad boy drag queen shit.
>>385189822025 is the year of women, men are becoming so hateful and socially nihilistic it's almost breaking my meta attraction>>38518953sometimes i wish it was us who led the psyops, instead of being psyopped>>38519026i was just being safe edgy and look what happened, alot of these men on twitter think they're better than me, but they're lost and don't know where to start, they don't really want to be a man but they're not trans either
>>38519041
>>38519046Trannies are fine if they date lonely men.
>>38519052We should have never had slavery i agree
>>38519053Trannies are not fine. Trannies need to be forced back into the societal closet and kept there and never let out again. Everyone of them is a potential child abuser or mass shooter.
>>38519047>2025 is the year of women, men are becoming so hateful and socially nihilistic it's almost breaking my meta attractionBecause anyone with a brain knowns shit sucks right now. Also cis woman are not your friends
>>38519064They are fine. The ones who dont even try arent fine they are disgusting
>>38519069Cis women know better than to let wolves in sheep’s clothing into their spaces. Groomer.>>38519082No they are literally the same person but one googled make up tips for ten minutes longer. They are the same kind of man and both disgusting
>>38519061this picture was taken during the great depression idiot
>>38519053lonely men have a 50% chance of being the most based men or the most evil mena man with no friends to lose has no reason to have empathy or any social decorum, and if they can slip into an echo chamber with bitter and angry people...it's bad news>>38519064and there it is, wow>>38519069that's also true, some are, many might not be, but it's because transphobia is pallatable to normies
>>38519047>but they're lost and don't know where to start, they don't really want to be a man but they're not trans eitherBecause its impossible to even buy a house or even make a family because of foids high standards
>>38519087The truth hurts doesn’t it, troon…
>>38519085They are all blackIm saying africans should have stayed in their home
>>38519087Im pretty sure im one of those men. It sucks you dont understand. Nobody cares for us that is the problem
>>38519099if you'll examine closely you'll notice that the point of the image is that they're in a breadline idiot
>>38518956I have now seen two videos from Hakim: one where he is wrong about race, and now one where he is wrong about the Great Replacementnot impressed with what I see!
>>38519118Well it was temporary
>>38519139you are temporary
>>38519146We all are yeah
>>38519088becoming a fascist or a misogynist doesn't bring house prices down and it doesn't tend to attract womenthere are people who want to bring house prices down but they also have they/them pronouns so normies are like "aaaa pronouns">>38519117i like men, i used to be a proud pick me even, there's still a part of me that likes men and i'm not fembrained enough to have real standards, but you have to be asuka coded to succeed as a woman
>>38513669false>>38518947I bet I make more money than you do retarded nigger>>38518963conversion therapy doesn't work and never hashttps://archive.is/D5Q0t
>>38519159It doesn’t when actively police trans ideology out of the public sphere entirely and then pass laws against spreading its propaganda state by state afterward. That and removing them from our fucking military
>>38519118actually they're supposedly standing outside a Red Cross relief station after the 1937 Ohio River flood that killed 358 and left a million homeless, not a bread line
>>38519170You have never held 100k in cash in yoyre entire life let alone used that money for a down payment on any property to speak of. Troon.Only a tranny is going to try to tell you conversion therapy doesn’t work. And I’m telling you that if you make it like boot camp it will.
>>38518832you should kick out the race grifters, then you'd have an attractive movement(except, as /r/stupidpol found out, race and gender gift is actually the core of the entire movement)
>>38519130>race science totally isn't a 19th century meme used to justify genocide and colonialism bro>a fraction of a percent of my country is refugees from the countries we destabilized, this must mean the jews want to replace us bro
>>38519214>nigger copeCalm down jamal
>>38519179it says alot that trans people are in the military and transphobes are keyboard warriors, you can literally do everything right as a trans person and it doesn't matter>>38519190conversion therapy doesn't work, instead there should be free therapy for everyone because men really need it if we want to save the west
>>38519230Remove them from the military flat out with dishonorable discharge if they don’t de troon within three months of the order. Trump has our backs on this so it’s looking good for once that something like this will happen.
>>38519214>race science regardless of what it has been used to justify in the past, race differences are real and important and resistant to intervention. we cannot educate black people into having 100 IQ and high time preference. we have tried to do this very very very hard. we have put billions of dollars into this. it does not work. this is a fact with very important ramifications for politics >a fraction of a percent you think the "Great Replacement" phenomenon is a fraction of a percent, really? whites are a minority in the youngest generation of the United States of America. you lose more people with these tactics of stating easily verifiable untrue things you know. the celebration parallax is so baffling to witness in person. why can't you just stick with "it's a good thing"? why do you always have to use "it's not happening AND it's a good thing?"
>>38519207it's not okay that there's one political party that's just openly racist and sexist, both of them should be socially woke, but they're not and conservatives want you to waste your years and life away debunking dehumanizing slop rhetoric for eternityif conservatives have their way it's going to eventually circle back to right wing feminism being used against autistic gamer men
>>38519214>this must mean the jews want to replace us bronobody ever mentioned the Jews and nobody ever said it was a conspiracy. that's what's so intellectually dishonest about Hakim's video I mean for what it's worth, GENERALLY speaking, yes, Jews do want white people replaced in their ethnic homelands. this is generally how Jewish people do in fact feel about that question. but even if they were all against it, that wouldn't diminish the reality of whites being replaced by non-whites across almost all white countries. Rather than make the more difficult argument that this is a good thing, instead Hakim basically argues that you're not allowed to complain about it because it's a "conspiracy theory"
>>38519190I literally make six figures a year not including investments, and that's in USD not the ESLbux you're probably used to. My boyfriend already owns like a hundred acres of land so it would be stupid to put a down payment on any property, but I'll have plenty to spare when we build a house there.Obviously someone who would be subjected to the torture you want to inflict on people would be a little biased, but anyone reasonably intelligent could figure out that torturing people won't magically change how their brain works to such a degree it could cure something so intrinsic to who they are.
>>38519296I don't understand what you're saying. please lay this out more clearly.
>>38519313>some tranny nigger gibberishOh so you lie on 4chan to cope this badly?
>>38519262alot of white men basically gave up dating and sometimes even making friends, the people complaining about being replaced know they aren't doing their partbut the thing is women are doing just fine, they're struggling, but mogging men, so what's men's excuse to fall behind after claiming they're better than women
>>38519325Women over all just need firm guidance to keep them from ruining their own lives. It’s like being around a child who can argue with you with a tenth grade reading comprehension.
>>38518947you are a retarded slave who eats up the same anti-trans fearmongering propaganda that the jews have been pushing since at least 2000 years ago
>>38519262>blacks are dumb>source: dude, trust me broThis was your gotcha huh?>whites are a minority in the youngest generation of the United States of AmericaExplaining how data works to a reactionary will always be a true test of patience. No one is slaughtering whites, no one is sterilizing whites. There is no "One Child Policy" for whites. A greater number of brown people existing in the country due to immigration and birth rates doesn't mean anyone is going to "cull" whites or whatever the fuck you're trying to imply.White people aren't going anywhere in North America. Stop pretending to be a victim. Why are you so concerned with being a minority in America btw? Is there something about the way Americans treat minorities that makes you nervous or something? ;)
>>38519324I could say the same exact thing right back to you
>>38519363>pitiful “no u” attemptOh ok troon, have a great night. I bet you have work at McDonald’s in the morning! Would that make you a McTroon?
>>38519325this is quite the pivot from the question of replacement migration. >women are doing just fine>they're struggling, but mogging menwell no, they are notwomen still achieve less than men in their careers and are, to boot, unhappier than men. this is particularly interesting because their unhappiness actually *leapfrogged* that of men -- in the bad old days, men and women were both happier than they are now, and women were actually happier with their lot than men were. now it's the opposite and everyone is less happy.
>>38519318basically racism and sexism are psyops meant to distract us from getting down to the real political and philosophical issuesand the the right building itself by being mean to a one or few minority groups at a time, it'll end up with right wing people telling men how they should behave also>>38519340guidance from who? not from anti woke men who only like women in stellar blade and marvel rivals
>>38519382oh, it's capitalism lol
>>38519389Women need frankly need to be put back in their place on the societal wrung to begin with. Why do you think men wanted to troon out to begin with? To have it on easy mode like the foids. They know they have it easy, all men know it too. So as a trade off we simply just need to get rid of their right to vote, give children a vote, and let the man of the house hold control the houses vote. Vance has had a good set of ideas on how to take care of the childless free loaders too electorally so this yeah is going to be a great year for men.
>>38519378you literally "no u''d me first stfuI refuse to even eat that nasty slop, no way I would ever work there. If I was a pooroid I would at least choose panera bread or something
>>38519429Why are you even still talking to me? I said take the L with dignity not meander at me like a crossed eyed sperg….
>>38519414>Why do you think men wanted to troon out to begin with?because they're part of the .04% of the population born with a brain defect?
>>38519352>source: dude, trust me broblacks in the USA have an average IQ of 82-87, depending on your measure. in other words, approximately one standard deviation below the white average. this is one of those literally undisputed facts that you can just Google.>No one is slaughtering whites, no one is sterilizing whites. There is no "One Child Policy" for whites. A greater number of brown people existing in the country due to immigration and birth rates doesn't mean anyone is going to "cull" whites or whatever the fuck you're trying to imply.I know they aren't. They're being "replaced" by immigrants (nobody said cull, why the scare quotes?) That's why the term is "the Great Replacement" rather than "White Genocide">Why are you so concerned with being a minority in America btw? Is there something about the way Americans treat minorities that makes you nervous or something? ;)actually, no. minorities in America are given preferential treatment *by Whites*. there is a lot about countries run by blacks and amerindians, like for instance South Africa and Zimbabwe and Haiti, or say Brazil or Mexico, that gives me cause for concern however. if "the Great Replacement" consisted of 150 million Japanese or Chinese immigrating to white countries my feelings on the question would be very different (although still not entirely positive)
>>38519447Nope, because they are entitled fail sons who would rather be on easy mode than actually develop a work ethic or goals. Anyone trying to tell you otherwise is either brainwashed or actively stupid
>>38519436So that I can make this tourist's thread hit the post limit faster. As a tranny I am more entitled to post here than you are...
>>38519412>oh, it's capitalism lolare you saying that capitalism was invented in the 1970s or that it made women more happy than men up until that point but not afterward or what?
>>38519465As a tranny you should be barred from being in public without threat of being ticketed or arrested too.
>>38519414>Why do you think men wanted to troon out to begin with?Gender dysphoria. This is why we listen to men and women with medical degrees instead of just pulling shit out of your ass to explain natural phenomena.
>>38519463being a tranny is literally the opposite of easy mode so that doesn't even make any sense
>>38519473It doesn’t exist. Every single man who has ever said that has been a disingenuous loser who couldn’t hack it working like a man and achieving like a man would and opted into becoming a woman and doing like on “easy” mode. There is no more room for this jewish psychologist hogwash anymore and thank god for that.
>>38519461>muh iqyou may as well include skull measurements as well if you're going to meme this hard
>>38519476That’s the most ironic part is that when they first troon out they think it’s going to be gravy until they realizing they are still just an ugly man but now in a dress.
>>38519482Care to share more details about the /pol/tard cinematic universe? I'll grab my popcorn while you type.
>>38519159>becoming a fascist or a misogynist doesn't bring house prices down and it doesn't tend to attract womenWell then what does?
>>38519472As a shitskin from the global south you should be barred from entering my country under threat of fines or arrest
>>38519484??what?? "blacks are stupid" >uhh source?? "they have 85 iq">wow lmao what a memeif you don't believe in IQ then you literally don't believe that it's possible to measure whether one group of people is dumb so why don't you lead with that next time so everyone can see who you are from the start of the conversation instead of acting like there isn't a source?
>>38519498>not whiteDidn’t read>>38519490You mean the real world where people like your parents and non fuck up family member work jobs and have kids in while you troon out?
>>38519482ironic coming from the one parroting 2000yo jewish fearmongering propaganda
>>38519482well what about the ftms broalso... there are type A personality multi millionaire mtf trannies. what about them
>>38519414you're at least 20% trans for typing this, i prefer when a man likes being a man and isn't thinking about how easy it would be to be a woman, that's what i mean by lost men, it's almost nihilistic>>38519468it's late stage shareholder value maximising capitalism>>38519482>easy modepov: one of those men who have anime girl pfps and are totally not trans at all
>>38519214Live in a black hood
>>38519494increase supply (deregulate housing / zoning) and decrease demand (deportations)
>>38519325Woman are fucking evil
>>38519506yes I know that reading is difficult for you "people"
>>38519511Same thing, all troons. No exceptions and outlaw the drag queen faggot shit already too>>38519513>tranny nigger gibberish
>>38519461>a historically marginalized and oppressed community that is still enduring systematic oppression performs worse during standardized testing than their privileged peersStop the fucking presses.
>>38519533>not whiteDidn’t read this either, you can leave the thread though
>>38519513>anime pfp means you are transWhat is this logic?
>>38519541Blacks just aren’t good at academics anon, why do you think they gravitate towards sports? That’s just how they are. History had nothing to do with that except to entitled blacks who think they deserve reparations
>>38519523That makes sense i agree on the housing but i only care about the attracting woman part
>>38519545Yes I know that you aren't, would you like me to start translating my posts into Spanish and have an AI voice read them out loud to you on vocaroo?
>>38519541see, that's step one of the problem. you're with me now. but did you know that even when we vigorously try to enrich their environments as much as possible, we can't make any interventions that are capable of raising black IQs up to the white average of 100? (we can't raise the IQs of whites, either, incidentally.) Arthur Jensen wrote about it, picrel is available online as a free pdf. It's pretty much the founding text on the subjects we're discussing, and it received a bit of fair criticism but it holds up surprising surprisingly well. some if it is pretty dense, particularly the sections about additive genetics, but the title can be answered in two words:>"We can't"
>>38519513Dude its fucking hard. You dont understand how hard being a dude is
>>38519558>t-they just aren't OKAY!Reactionaries presenting raw data with zero context is like peanut butter and jelly. It always goes together.
>>38519589Name one nigger who has invented anything without opening google. You can’t or you will bring up peanut butter. Lol
>>38519594He lives in a white area anon he has rarely even seen any black guys
>>38511296Just give lonely men girlfriends and the world will be fixed im not kidding
>>38519487and yet almost none of them detroon even in the face of hardship, almost like your whole hypothesis is retarded
>>38519594>without opening google...because then we'll see the FULL list of black engineers and you won't have a point worth making anymore? Holy shit lmao>>38519614If you're gonna write fanficiton about me then at least give me a 9" dick and washboard abs too.
>>38519494anything that's not that lol, being with men can be risky, and the orgasm gap between men and women is reali would say it probably matters how men treat people that arent women too, because women are people
>>38519589here's some context for you: a quote from the highest court of the land in 200322 years down, 3 to go! how much has the black white iq gap closed in that time?(answer: not at all. not at all since the 70s)and again there is NO intervention that is capable of bringing black intelligence up to white intelligence. such an environment simply doesn't exist, because most variation in intelligence (at least in the modern-day USA) is caused by variations in genetics. our environments just aren't that different from each other when it comes to fomenting intellectual growth
>>38519631Uh they have been detrooning left and right including musicians who did it ten years ago. Just because you stuck your head in the sand and ignore it doesn’t mean that’s it’s not happening and your kind is finally being cut out like the cancer you were.
>>38519639>>38519614Sorry, I meant to quote >>38519601 for the second response.
>>38519639>not one name he can bring up for himself because they don’t do anything impressive by themselves, only if attached to a white man who can guide the idea correctly into something usable
>>38519650
>>38519656>not one name he can bring up for himselfYour implication is that one rando on an imageboard being able to list shit or not is a source for your entirely meme-based narrative? I wasn't playing your idiot game and I'm not validating it now lmao.
>>38519643shut up. Every woman treats me like a subhuman because im an autistic guy. Even my own mother
>>38519674>nigger cope to go with the nigger defense force postsLol>>38519675lol
>>38519656this doesn't capture the point though because they can just say "oh well historically blacks have been oppressed so of course they haven't been able to become great scientists, inventors and mathematicians. only privileged people can do that (please ignore Ramanujan)"the relevant point is that the black-white IQ gap in developed nations is persistent, stable, and immune to remediation. we have tried everything to close the gap, nothing works and society's best and brightest have currently settled on the strategy of literally pretending the gap doesn't exist. that's why you see someone waltz into the thread asking for a SOURCE?? that black people are dumb, of all things. it's esoteric knowledge now
>>38519683Asking why the nigger is dumb is the same thing as asking why the tranny is disgusting…it just is…
Who in the hell is this maga chud? It’s honestly obnoxious
>>38519647Bullshit. BTW that one musician you're talking about that got spammed here by tourists such as yourself wasn't even on hormones, he was/is just an agp freakazoid
>>38519705miga*
>>38519707So just like every other troon but you didn’t want to claim him because he actually manned up for once in his fucking life. lol that’s one thing you have in common with the foids, you’re both pussies.
>>38519585>Jensen was among the most frequent contributors to the German journal Neue Anthropologie, a publication founded by the neo-Nazi Jürgen Rieger, and served alongside Rieger on this journal's editorial board.>In 1994 he was one of 52 signatories on "Mainstream Science on Intelligence,"[17] an essay written by Linda Gottfredson and published in The Wall Street Journal, which declared the consensus of the signing scholars on the meaning and significance of IQ following the publication of the book The Bell Curve. Jensen received $1.1 million from the Pioneer Fund,[18][19] an organization frequently described as racist and white supremacist in nature.[20][21][22][23] The fund contributed a total of $3.5 million to researchers cited in The Bell Curve's most controversial chapter "that suggests some races are naturally smarter than others" with Jensen's works being cited twenty-three times in the book's bibliography.Hmm...
>>38519720>every other troon doesn't take hormonesbold claimTrying to shame people for not being masculine doesn't work very well on people who inherently don't want to be masculine, I know this must seem alien to someone from a culture that puts so much emphasis on "machismo"
>>38519502raw data with zero context isn't an argument, it's just trying to push an obvious agenda. you really think people don't pick up on this shit every time you try it?
>>38519767He did the right thing by finally giving up the lie he was trying to force not only on his band but his fans as well. It was one of the most embarrassing things I ever saw.
>>38519743yes, the Jewish scientist Arthur Jensen was highly quoted in The Bell Curve which agreed with many of his premises. this doesn't make anything he says in that 70 page document less crediblelike yeah this guy that did the founding work on race and intelligence was quoted in TBC and got money from the Pioneer Fund. he's still right
>>38519772the context is that the gap hasn't narrowed by 1 IQ point in the fifty years we've been measuring it and zero interventions are capable of closing it.well, I take that back. you could hit all of the white people in America in the back of the head with a lead pipe. that would narrow the gap. but it wouldn't fix any of the dysfunction caused by black people
>>38519775>It was one of the most embarrassing things I ever sawbeing a sissy crossdresser or trying to pull the detroon grift despite not being a troon?
>>38519801Both stages
>>38519793neato. tell us when blacks no longer face systematic oppression then maybe we can pretend any of what you just said was relevant
>>38519803well I agree with that, though I had never heard of his stupid band before in my entire life so I didn't really care that much
>>38519614some men are lonely for reasons>>38519587it can be awful to be a man, but it's 1000 times easier to succeed as a man than a trans womanas a demographic men get away with alot things, meanwhile a trans woman can be the most feminist person ever and still be called misogynistic for existing at all
>>38519675well to be fair everyone can be attractive to someone who has attachment issues, so you as you are right now is somebody's type
>>38519831they don't though that's the thingthey're actually a privileged class now
>>38519831>tell us when blacks no longer face systematic oppressionLiterally right now.
>>38511296trying to win men by calling them prvilged source of all evil and spew same misandrist BS .yeah sure you were going to win
>>38515223It's not 'the great dilution,' it's the great replacement. If natives feel confident people like them will be numerous and prosperous in the future, they'll feel much safer.Point on 'browns may be peaking on birthrate just when they get in.' was interesting, but not convincing. Either they keep having kids at greater rates than whites, or they drop off harshly so you eventually replace the whole population with first generation immigrants instead of their children.I think we can all think of different people we do like and who have been hugely beneficial. Without systems to encourage high birth rates of the very best, our most civilized diverse friends are also less fit than the less civilized members of our societies.Ending was ok, and well stated the problems of hitler. Video should've been cut down to maybe 10 minutes and included plans to see whites continue and breed a better population alongside immigrants, with ways the viewers can immediately get involved in community doing so. 'support people first policies' hasn't been really achievable at the level I can have a nice community and kids. Shouldn't there be one jurisdiction doing this stuff we should all pile into? Personally I can't do much til I have a job and artificial wombs, but I'm working (poorly) towards that. Inequality can be due to both genes and oppression, and people need to get serious about evidence based policies to humanely address both. I think a simple cap on maximum wealth or market share, sterilization of for those convicted of rape and assault would do good. Encouraging good children is harder. There must be a point where payments work, because once you can work less, the social support starts forming too. Just make sure it's based on predicted future taxes paid, we can remove the racial part, but do intelligence and behavior tests on the kids. If they're bad, you get the same money for sterilizing and adopting.
>>38521203trans women directly and indirectly suffer from the actions of men, we're basically the punching bag for religious and conservative transphobes, alt right incel transphobes, and politically correct transphobic women who want the appearance of being misandristsall of these groups are caused by men, and they also crudely dismiss non binary people with things like "pronouns in bio" even the nerds who would've been nice guys in a past era create anti woke content that disparages women and black peoplealot of men are cruel, and not having a gf isn't an excuse for that, because the bigotry comes from married men too
>>38521485what white people are going through is probably a thousand times kinder than what they did to native and indigenous people of their countries if canada and america aren't outliersif white people refer to themselves as natives it just reminds me of that, even on the left people don't seem to talk or care about native americans beyond a surface level
>>38521508what you are saying lacks any nuance at all and is basically the lib equivalent of a chud telling transwomen to just leave the kids alone or whatever.absoluely hideous post.
