>>38517072
Why does the idea bother you so much? Feeling fomo being a homo?

>>38517092
I'm bi and have found myself rejected by several trans women in favor of men who identified as straight, and perhaps acted a bit more conventionally masculine.

>>38517072
this doesn't happen, but pretending to be a giga transphobe is part of the game. it's like when someone goes "oh how are you today, how was your weekend?!?" you're not supposed to ACTUALLY tell them about how you dropped your favorite mug this morning and your weekend was spent drinking alone, you go "oh just great, keepin' busy ha ha" and then move on to the real topic of conversation. saying you're kinda bi is a sign that you lack the social graces necessary to "respect her gender" (which in her case means saying chuddy things and "you're not like those other transgenderists who I do not support")

>>38517143
So I need to call myself straight and say more chuddy shit? I through trannies hated chuds?

>>38517072
i dont really care about bi guys if they're only top and more inclined to like girls
im a tranny im not gonna ask for a full heterosexual guy but please try to be at least 70% straight and top only

>>38517072
most men who hit on me say they are only into women

>>38517165
eh, yes and no. sexually, they prefer chuds because "ally is the big ick" and also if you're not a transphobe you're probably a crypto troon and you're going to steal her hormones, and in any case you are definitely a bottombrained sissy

it's like crying in front of a girl, these things aren't done, so don't do it

>>38517248
Is crying in front of a trans woman not allowed either?

>>38517256
I assume you're joking, so "of course not, trans women are much more empathetic than cis women and they will appreciate your sensitivity"

lol

>>38517269
No, seriously, like if we got in a fight, and I ended up crying, would that make the trans woman see me as a lesser man and more likely to leave me? Just feels like trans women place heavy expectations on men to conform in certain ways.

>>38517072
how would I know? Woman get literally married to men only to know that they are in fact 99% backdoor pirates

>>38517312
*only to learn

>>38517072
Trannies want to be fucked by straight men, but have nothing in common with them so they'll settle for being a cum rag to straight guys that are experimenting or need a quick fuck.

>>38517275
trans women are significantly more committed to "traditional gender roles" than anyone else, because for them, femininity is something contested, that they might be able to earn if they try hard enough. it's not like for cis women where they can shave their heads and run around in jeans and a tank top and wrestle bears and drink whisky and have sex with women, and after all that they're still unquestionably women unlike trans women where if she plays a video game and likes it that makes her a dude. expecting them to help you challenge toxic expectations towards men is not going to end well.

>>38517331
But isn't the situation the same that straight cis women don't have much in common with cis straight men?

>>38517072
the responses to this feel wild to me tbhon. Literally all of my best partners have been bisexual men. I guess like I get the insecurity at being seen as an ‘other’ or a man but I prefer not having to play the insecure sexuality mind games straight men have put me through. Bi men rule lol

>>38517352
Don't you worry he sees you as a man or is attracted to your male features?

>>38517342
Yes that's usually the case, and it's nature's way of pairing mates together - the woman provides qualities to the relationship that balance the masculine qualities brought by the man.
In a relationship between a straight man and a tranny, the tranny has masculine immature qualities about him, such as being a gamer, neet, etc, which doesn't replace the feminine qualities a female can provide, and so they're only useful for sex.

>>38517371
Do straight trans women tend to have similar hobbies to straight cis women?

>>38517361
It worried me more when I was preop. It felt like riding a line I suppose of wanting to be loved but not wanting to be loved for the wrong reasons. I dunno tho, I think bi men are also much less likely to discount our womanhood; I think they don’t really question it given my experiences around them.

>>38517389
Straight trans women are rare, as in trans women who have no attraction to females, the female body, and won't have sex with another woman under any circumstance. Straight t women are hard to access, because they don't seem to exist much in online spaces.

>>38517275
if my bf was crying over money insecurity or family problems or something I'd want to be there for him but like crying over a fight??

>>38517393
Yeah but a vagina has never stopped a queer man from dating a woman if he's inclined to repress his androphilia strongly.

>>38517338
"As a trans woman, I don’t buy into the stereotype that men shouldn’t cry. My husband, who is tall, has cried before, and it actually makes me feel closer to him. Crying doesn't turn me off—it deepens my emotional connection with someone I love. I think some people might be stuck in immature high school ideas, where men are expected to hide their feelings.
I’m 21, and if I’m old enough to think critically, I expect others to do the same. Just because I’m a trans woman doesn’t mean I conform to outdated ideas about what women or men should be like. As for me, I’m a masochist, but I don’t have a fetish for pain—it’s something I enjoy, but it’s not sexual.

Also, OP, just make sure you’re not too short."

>>38517338
this is retarded and i don't know anyone like this. if you cry i just want to hug you. i don't even like guys with beards
>t. trans woman dating a guy for 3 years

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>>38517072
I think my bf would laugh at me if I asked him if he ever saw me as male, then he'd pin me down and fill my neopussy with cum and bite my neck afterwards...
Cishet boys are so mean...

>>38517469
Do straight guys like pounding neopussies?

>>38517531
It's a larp. Trannies that have srs are gaydead.

>>38517549
gaydead?

>>38517143
trvth nvke
you have to play the game when you interact with trannies

>>38517531
no one wants to fuck srsussy

>>38517558
Guys won't have sex with them after srs.

>>38517628
>>38517644
they'd rather fuck an asshole and look at a penis stuck to their gf?

>>38517658
Chasers are gay and prefer male bodies over female bodies. So they'll 100% drop you as a partner if your bf is a chaser.

For straight guys that love pussy, why would they choose to fuck a fake vagina instead of a real one? A real one looks right, feels right, and is self lubricating, plus it's not fickle about how you fuck it. An srs vagina looks like a rotted apricot, and gets infected easily, and creeps me out.

>>38517658
the appeal of a tranny is the dick
if we wanted pussy we'd fuck real women

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>>38517658
I don't think girls get the psychology behind this so I'll lay it out for them. Guys aren't really grossed out by dicks. It wouldn't even make sense for them to be. Secondary sex characteristics are all that matter. Take a cis hon woman with a masculine jaw and stubble and a passing trans girl with a thick veiny monster cock and 10 times out of 10 we're going to pick the latter because the genitals just do not matter. You've got holes, we can interract with your cock to the degree we are comfortable with. Aesthetically speaking it technically enhances the experience because of competition response.
SRS on the other hand disgusts us for unrelated reasons. It is uncanny and weird and that creates a significant level of anxiety. There is also a kind of psychological paradox it creates. When a girl has a dick your brain naturally contrasts the rest of her with it, thus highlighting her femininity. Your brain is tricked into ignoring her less passing aspects and focusing on how much of a woman she is. SRS does the opposite, it basically reminds you to clock everything about a tranny.
It seems a lot of trannies think guys are grossed out by genitals the most but it just isn't the case. There's a threshhold that is different for everyone and once you cross it you cease registering as a man and whatever it is in our brains that makes us deeply disgusting by the thought of swapping saliva with you is no longer active.
There are some guys that aren't turned off by SRS, they just don't get that uncanny feeling from it. There are also some guys that are against trannies having dicks but I wouldn't want to appeal to them because fundamentally they are incredibly mentally ill.

>>38517681
purely hypothetical question, if you couldn't tell the difference would it still matter to you

>>38517072
let me be perfectly 100% clear about this: NOBODY and i mean LITERALLY ZERO PERCENT of people think trans women are real women. and no 100% hetero male would fuck a tranny

that being said, the amount of people that are 100% in any direction of the sexual compass is likely tiny, smaller than anyone imagines, and the amount of guys that present as straight but who would fuck a suitably attractive tranny is probably fairly high. i mean i would, but strictly to satisfy a fetish and with intention of pursuing a relationship or anything meaningful

>>38517072
>100% fully heterosexual
holy fuck you're so boring go back to church adam

>>38517740
Yes, especially for a ltr. For short term, it'd be good knowing she can't get pregnant but if it's a ltr that could lead to marriage, I'd want a real girl who can have my kids.

>>38517755
I think trans women are real women.
It's pretty simple really, it's like ice cream flavours. You can have chocolate icecream or vanilla icrecream but it is still all icecream.
The fact that trans women aren't cis women doesn't degrade them in anyway, in fact it is the differences between them that make trans women appealing.

>>38517755
with no* intention

>>38517734
also what this guy said. i'd butt fuck a pretty looking tranny with a dick but i'd never fuck a scarred wound between someone's legs. also no fake tits.

>>38517779
faggot

>>38517734
>There's a threshhold that is different for everyone and once you cross it you cease registering as a man and whatever it is in our brains that makes us deeply disgusting by the thought of swapping saliva with you is no longer active.
interesting. i wonder if i've passed that now, a lot of men stare at me lately.

I don't really gaf about OP's topic, because the answer is obviously yes being attracted to trans women makes you bi. But more importantly I have the same hairline as this dude.

>>38517734
very insightful analysis, thank you

>>38517786
>also no fake tits
what's the problem with implants?

>>38517531
my bf does

>>38517779
>It's pretty simple really, it's like ice cream flavours. You can have chocolate icecream or vanilla icrecream but it is still all icecream

you can have male humans and you can have female humans, theyre both humans. thats as far as that analogy will go. sorry.

trans women are not real women or any kind of women. they're men with a neurological disorder

>>38517816
>what's the problem with implants?

they look disgusting and you can always tell - 99% of the time by look, 100% by feel.

>>38517779
this is the type of shit that's good to tell trannies when you're talking to them
but no one really believes it

>>38517834
ok hrt left me flat so I guess I'll kms

>>38517849
I think they hear that bullshit rehearsed chaser speech so often, they put those guys on ignore. Those are the guys that are drooling over cock.

>>38517072
>Do straight trans women really truly date actual 100% fully heterosexual men
No.
Fully heterosexual men can't be attracted to dick, no matter is it caged or on estrogen. It's still a dick, and heterosexual men are disgusted by dicks, unless their own.
If they are, well then they aren't completely straight.
Men who fuck trans women are bisexual. They like feminine features and MALE genitalia.

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>>38517531
After I made that post, my bf led me to the bedroom, told me to strip naked, and then put his cock in my neovagina and fucked me good for awhile... He even called me his "tranny slut" during it...

>>38517893
>heterosexual men are disgusted by dicks, unless their own.
you say this and yet all the dicks in straight porn are pretty nice and men spend a lot of time looking at them

>>38517872
i wouldnt worry too much about it. fake tits won't make you any more female, theyll just make you more fake.

>>38517331
Preach.

>>38517902
srs shills take note, this is how you convince people lmao
not with your trutrans nonsense

>>38517872
ignore the chaser faggots, get implants if you think it'll make you happier.

>>38517905
oh. thanks for letting me know you're opinion isn't worth considering I feel better now

>>38517927

its up to you. falseness and duplicity are not attractive qualities in personality or appearance though.

i can't imagine how anyone with body or gender dysmorphia would be happy with two big lumps of plastic stuck to their chests either but again thats up to you

>>38517903
Then they're not straight moron, that's literally what I said.
You can use that "uhhh he is straight but he loves dick!" mental gymnastics as much as you want, but the moment man is interested in another dick, he's not heterosexual. And he never was.
Most of men who make porn end up being bisexual anyways.

>>38517734
This isn't true, I find SRS deeply arousing because of the literal emasculation

>>38517813
Then you don't believe trans women are women?

If you end up telling a guy you’re trans and he blocks you. He was straight.

If you tell a guy you’re trans and he still wants to fuck or date, hes gay or the latter
..But if you tell him your trans and he still wants to fuck, but doesn’t touch your “private part” whatsoever and strongly encourages you to remove while in the relationship.. he’s straight.

>>38517957
the emasculation part of it is hot
but the actual srsussy is fucking disgusting and I would never fuck one

>>38517957
based desu

>>38517921
I like you better

>>38517947
well it's absolutely horrible having an incomplete body like this so while I'd prefer natural, prosthetics are the next best thing for my own sense of bodily integrity. and it's spelled dysphoria

>>38517893
if this was true straight men wouldn't watch straight porn. Trying to claim that actually 90% of males are bi is more far-fetched than claiming that straight men can be attracted to trans women.

>>38517951
>Then they're not straight moron
huh?
men who watch straight porn aren't straight?
hot take, anon...
> You can use that "uhhh he is straight but he loves dick!"
next time try reading what i actually wrote.
> but the moment man is interested in another dick, he's not heterosexual. And he never was.
i don't care about your obsession with NOT wanting dicks in your holes, anon.

>>38517989

plenty of women are flat as a board and it doesnt make them less feminine. i think youre attaching too much importance to it and it certainly doesn't make you incomplete to have small tits.

i think having a more mature outlook about tits would make you happier in the long run than adding plastic to yourself and hoping they'll bring happiness too

>>38518035
it's hard to describe the feeling of having a hole in your body to someone who's never experienced it before. I've never talked to a woman like that about this so I can't speak for them but personally I want a normal body.

>>38518068
plenty of "normal" women have small breasts, anon.

>>38518081
I'm not talking about small breasts

>>38517787
Seethe and bald
>>38517823
So what? If you cut down the legs on a desk and use it as a coffee table it is still a coffee table.
>>38517849
I do believe it though.
>>38517957
I believe I covered that when I said
>incredibly mentally ill

>>38518089
o you meant srs? yeah idk i can't say anything about that

>>38518068
well look in that case i really hope it works for you. i think do some research about it though. look at the kind of people that get that surgery, talk to them on reddit or whatever. ask them if theyre happy but more importantly see for yourself if they seem like happy well adjusted people.

i might be biased here but the only women i know with fake tits are pornstars, hookers, whores, and celebrities that have gone off the deep end and fucked their careers. i know of way more well adjusted and happy flat chested women than i know well adjusted and happy women with fake tits.

again, whatever i do i hope it makes you happy, and i wouldnt tell you what to do except to make a well thought out and well informed decision.

>>38518093
go have sex with guys if you love dick so much and leave trannies alone

>>38518123
This is a common cope, it is very reflective of the mentally state SRS havers are in.

>>38518102
no I meant being so flat there's basically nothing there. some cis women have that body type but I wouldn't call it standard.

>>38518105
yeah I'm scared of cosmetic surgery in general so I'm 100% gonna make sure I do it right.

>>38518140
seriously why are they always so upset? it doesn't give the message that they're happy with their choice
> implying these aren't rightoid trolls trying to divide & conquer

>>38518140
>>38518153
there is no reason that you should be ashamed about liking men. gay men are cool as long as they don't spread transphobic myths like you are!

>>38518158
because they know that no one wants to fuck their ax wound

>>38518153
women don't have penises

>>38518151
>yeah I'm scared of cosmetic surgery in general so I'm 100% gonna make sure I do it right.

good luck anon. and try to remember this, for the vast vast majority of people, i mean 99.99999% of people SOMEONE finds them incredibly attractive and thinks theyre beautiful. if the internet has taught us nothing else its that everybody is somebody else's type.

be your own type, anon. love and accept yourself and it'll make other people more comfortable to love you too

>>38518200
>dude just ignore your lying eyes

>>38518158
They will never be happy because they will never be cis women. They have an obsessive compulsive insecurity that will follow them for all their days no matter what.
Partly it is sour grapes, the idea that people can be happy where they cannot upsets them, the rest is because they've created a protective shell of elitism, delusion and cope in an attempt to turn their deficiency into a virtue. They draw an arbitrary line in the sand wherever they stand and say "this is the REAL point" so that anyone who isn't as mentally ill as them aren't real women, and any man who would date them isn't really straight. They tell themselves they're right and that the world agrees with them and that anyone who doesn't must be some easy to digest strawman.
It really speaks volumes about them.
>>38518169
Liking men is something to be ashamed of regardless of whether you're a man or a woman.
The only person who is transphobic here is you.

>>38518169
gays spread diseases

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>>38518650
I doubt that 40% of gay men have HIV.

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>>38518729
poltards made this infamous poster against gay men that claims that 78% of gay men have an std and this is apparently due to some 1970s gay magazine survey that only ever gets brought up by chuds where 67 % of men said they had crabs (pubic lice)

>>38518739
Half of pol are repressing trans women, and trans women hate gay men.

>>38517734
Ah? This has not been my experience on dating apps at all. Guys regularly match with me but once I tell them I'm trans, 90% of them are gone. Of the remaining I've had several ask if I'm post-op and when I say I'm not they are also gone.
Maybe you're talking strictly for sexual activities then I'd understand a bit more, but in terms of LTR and public dating it does seem to me that 90%+ of cishet guys are 0% interested in having a tranny. I don't blame them but this is IME and also polling other trannies on their experiences.

>>38518751
Why do trans women hate gay men?

>>38518837
Because trans women are straight men. Agp is classified as a fetish that incorporates male heterosexuality into a misplaced desire to be a woman.

>>38518761
The reason most men don't want relationships with trannies has nothing to do with their genitals and everything to do with the social stigma and their infertility.

>>38518913
What about HSTSes?

>>38519029
I'm not of aware of hsts women hating gay men. Most of the hsts women I've talked to were very cool, and open to having gay friends or dating a gay guy, as long as he's not a complete bottom.

>>38519056
bottomphobia is pernicious

>>38519059
2 bottoms in a m4t relationship= the guy is going to steal his gf's estrogen when she's not looking. Doesn't work.

>>38519059
Bullying, subjugating and persecuting bottoms is literally what they want, in fact it'd be evil to treat them as humans.

>>38517072
honestly if you're that insecure about your sexuality while rocking a beard, it's only a matter of time until you try to steal my estrogen/underwear/name so no, I wouldn't date you.

>>38519024
I think it's all 3, desu.

>>38519077
some bottoms don't even want estrogen

>>38519225
True, but if you're a chaser specifically, and you're primarily attracted to trans women and identify with their culture, and you're a bottom -- you're a tranny.

>>38519310
double sided dildos, not estrogen

>>38519329
Gross.

>>38518250
maybe they're not actually like that and it's just rightoids sowing "divide & conquer" seeds in our heads so that non-ops and post-ops hate on eachother

>>38519351
No. It's sad that trannies have to convince themselves that it's always someone else and not trannies who are just doing the wrong thing.

>>38519351
trannies ARE the divide and conquer seed

>>38517072
no cause all the ones i've met are either morbidly obese or have very little hygene

>>38519629
how many have you met?

>>38519870
at least a dozen every time I go out, + the group I've known since hs

>>38520005
And they all smell strongly?

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>>38519629
Literally me.

>>38517371

The fuck we are not all neets and gamers. I have never not been employed in my life and I stopped gaming when I transitioned.

>>38520021
they either smell, are unhealthily fat, or have grimy ass faces. love em, they're my friends and i'd kill for em, but god i'd rather kms than date or fuck em

>>38520069
so you gave up fun, even all the cis girls I know play video games

>>38517972

it sounds like you've never been bear one and are just consumed with memes that "it's an axe wound with rotting flesh that smells like shit" like, no it's rly not.

>>38517108
>I'm bi and have found myself rejected by several ANY women in favor of men who identified as straight, and perhaps acted a bit more conventionally masculine.
this is being bi 101, most women will find you less masculine and more ew ick etc for about half a dozen reasons, if you're retarded enough to disclose
>unless you're chad enough to get away with it

>>38517248
>ally is the big ick
tbf "ally" is soi shit
>>38517256
what do you expect, they're even more insecure about their femininity so they need someone even more "stable" to calm they brain
>>38517269
>of course not, trans women are much more empathetic than cis women and they will appreciate your sensitivity
lol'd, boy that was a fun experience with the ex
>>38517275
obviously
>>38517338
this
>>38517465
one of the good ones if real

>>38520086

Lol what? Gave up fun because I'm not wasting hours of my life sitting in a chair playing pixels? You'll quit gaming when you grow up too zoom tard.

This just goes to show how ignorant and uneducated this whole website is. People get called out on shit and just double down with false retarded ideas like you're either a neet or don't have fun. Smells like BPD.

>>38520210
you can play video games and not be a neet oldshit, gaming is legit one of the only reasons I didn't kms halfway into university

>>38517823
nah, once you learn a bit more biology about all the disorders of sex development (including in cis women and all the intersex shit), it's a lot more logical to consider "regular" garden variety trans women as women with a rather unfortunate medical problem that need timely treatment before it really fucks their shit up (c.f. pcos cissies to some extent)

I did and he got tired of me in a few months and didn't want to touch me again so I got back to bi men. Maybe srs helps

>>38520232

>I need [luxury good[ or I'LL KILL MYSELF

Yep its BPD.

>>38520326
Nobody will ever love you like a bi man will
>t. Bi man

>>38520331
cuck response
vidya is the new opium for the plebs now that we've destroyed normal life for many, it's no surprise that some marginalized alphabetfag is going to need escapism to survive

>>38520331
>the biggest form of entertainment that dwarves every other medium in term of consumers and profit
>luxury good
sure thing marxist cuck

>>38517072
sometimes if theres a straight man who is or might be openminded and you have to pass well enough pre or post op.

>>38518151
it's not standard but it's not unusual either. you've just been brainwashed by "all about the bass" propaganda that says women who aren't obese with globs of fat falling everywhere are defective

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>>38517469
>fill my neopussy with cum
gross

>>38517143
>>38517248
take your tranny pick-up artist routine somewhere else, you sound insufferable

>>38517338
this sounds like a caricature written by a 14 year old coomer

>>38517072
been married to one for a few years now

>>38517214
This. I don't even mind if he's fully gay as long as he's only a top, but a man who's sucked dicks and taken a dick up his butt is a huge ick and not at all something I'm interested in

>>38517072
no because straight men csnt actually overlook the cock and being born male thing.

most are heteroflexible or bi if they like trannies. depends if they like passoids or twinkhons.

>>38517275
If you started crying after we argued your ass would be out the door so fast you wouldn't know whether to shit or go sailing. It's completely unacceptable, men only cry under the most extreme circumstances, and only a handful of times in their life.

>>38517734
Best post on this board today.

>>38517796
Could be the opposite too Nona....

>>38518035
Those women still don't have boy chests tho, still have female nipples, and are extremely rare anyway

>>38522558
They're really not extremely rare theyre just extremely underrepresented on the internet. You can look up facts and statistics about average cup sizes and you'll see that the average is A-B in countries without a serious obesity epidemic.

A or B might as well be nothing in many cases by the way. It's not something you'll notice through clothes, it doesn't bounce when she walks, there is no cleavage etc. Tits in real life are not the same as tits on the internet. Just like dicks and everything else. The internet, and especially porn and social media, is a hyperreal simulacrum of real life.

>>38522584
>porn and social media, is a hyperreal simulacrum of real life.
what an absolutely blessed thing to say, God speed anon

>>38522518
nah.. im kinda cute, i just don't pass, so i don't think it's that

>>38520162
>unless you're chad enough to get away with it
This is key. Bi is a multiplier.
I'm a boyish twunk with a big butt so women who are into me become more into me upon learning I'm bi bottom.

>>38522584
Tits are way bigger than that anon.

>>38522728
I'd think most women would be icked out by being a bottom, so I'm curious - what are the kinds that are into it?

>>38517734
you are clearly not fucking straigth. Straight man does not look at someones penis and think it looks sexy and makes them more feminine.

Why can't you bi folk just be honest.

>>38522798
They do if it is a woman

>>38522821
No it does not work like that. you are bi. I have seen trannies you people lust over here and 95% look clockable.

There is nothing wrong with being bi

>>38520361
Making lots of money doesn't make it non-luxury

>>38522838
>n-no!

>>38517072
>tfw actual 100% fully heterosexual man who is not attracted to men even a little bit

I sure wish trans women would date me

>>38522128
Sorry to hear that you're gay, anon.

>>38523444
If you are attracted to penis, you are not straight :)

>>38520180
only if you self identify as an "ally", being against transphobic laws should not be controversial for trans people, unless you're a trans woman looking for a male, in which case it's "soi shit"

>>38517458
>I'm not reinforcing toxic gender roles, but if you're a manlet you need to just transition already instead of being creepy by existing while short, you can't call yourself a man if you're short, you beta bitch

>>38517965
I believe they're their own thing. I treat everybody with respect unless they don't respect me back. So I don't have a problem using someone's preferred pronouns. I don't date trans women anymore because I wouldn't be able to give them the kind of love they deserve, I just see them as fun to have sex with. This is made especially apparent by just how many are sex workers/absolutely nuts. Their lives suck, and I don't want to add to that. Personally, I view trans women as their own separate thing from cis women, and the men who have sex with them, imo, are attracted to a combination of male and female characteristics, hence why I believe men who have sex with trans women to be bi. Again, made especially true in my eyes by the fact that the vast majority of trans women do not pass, and are clearly AMAB from the moment you see them.

>>38524174
>>38524174
>Personally, I view trans women as their own separate thing from cis women, and the men who have sex with them, imo, are attracted to a combination of male and female characteristics, hence why I believe men who have sex with trans women to be bi.

The first point you've made here would seem to militate against the second one? personally I don't disagree with anything you've said here other than this point that men who would fuck a tranny are bi. Trannies are indeed their own thing, and the sooner they start agreeing to that the sooner the rest of society will accept them.

Trying to force themselves into female social structures, their history and struggles, their experiences, trying to co opt all that as their own has been an utter disaster for their community. So too has it been a disaster to try and bully and infiltrate their way into pre existing relationship and sexual relations structures. The whole "if you don't like me it's just because you're transphobic" debacle. There needs to be a recognized fourth option outside of gay, straight, bi when considering attraction to trannies.

They are indeed their own thing. And there needs to be a new thing to describe and quantify attraction to them. The current terminology around attraction to males, attraction to females, straight or gay was codified around the existence of (I hate to use this term) cis men and cis women. It doesn't fit trannies, or trannies don't fit the established terminology. It's a shame trans sexual already exists and has negative connotations or it would be perfect

>>38524154
Yeah, it's the self id lingo if you're acting like a woman about it.
Fixing laws and attitudes such that we don't mistreat (and at some point don't misunderstand) gender dysphorics is the right thing to do as a man with integrity and a good value system.

>>38520344

being trans isn't an illness and you don't need drugs, videogames or fingerprinting and excuses to live your life. And you call me a cuck? First someone was saying trannies are malebrained and gay for gaming and not working i.e. not being like women. So when I say many of us choose to not do that shit you say it's cucked. it's the opposite. There's plenty of other ways to spend your time offline.

i only play zomboid with my husband sometimes and its mostly for the sims1 feels lol

>>38520361

You're literally defending killing yourself if you don't have video games... after someone else said trannies are MEN for playing videogames. You are acting retarded slef contradictory and spineless.

FACT: Videogames make isolation and mental illness worse because they provide instant gratification and inhibit your ability to support yourself and find a partner as well as stay fit and active. that's why normal women play Minecraft and fortnight for like 45 minutes a day a d don't live in game

>>38525196
since you've either forgotten what you wrote or are purposefully trying to weasel out, this is what I was responding to:
>>I need [luxury good[ or I'LL KILL MYSELF
>Yep its BPD.

>>38517902
i deserve srs just for this

>>38525225
wrong, admitting that video games are for men would be the spineless thing to do, proving my point with both the example of cis women + then also them being my only way to cope with my piece of shit life.
FACT: you're a mainstream media brainwashed cunt evaporator

>>38525196
no such thing as being trans

>>38517072
>100% fully heterosexual men who are not attracted to men even a little bit
There is no such thing.
Even if it isn't sexual, I don't think there is any man that doesn't find at least one man attractive.
It's what the man does with that attraction...

Heterosexual men would just consider what it is that makes that man attractive, and seek to emulate that with his own spin on it.

>>38527509
I think realistically heterosexuality is a lesser intensity of male attraction, but really, impregnating females is the dominant game of our society, and that creates homophobia, so really there's no way to know if men actually ONLY like women, because you can't test that, and people lie about it.

>>38527524
>impregnating females is the dominant game of our society
That is the game of every living being (minus LGBT).
I think homophobia is based around a never-ending cycle, or a tug of war, that is coming to fruition with transphobia too.
Group wants change
Other group doesn't
Group calls them hateful
Other group gets offended and, ironically, becomes more hateful
Obscure member of the group does something bad
Other group reacts by demanding all changes get reverted and invokes the slippery slope fallacy
Cycle begins again

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>>38527654
>Obscure member of the group does something bad
They're men. They don't have 'fembrain' when it comes to criminality, and they're more likely to be convicted of crimes pertaining to the sexual violation of women and children, than cis men are.

Chasers need to compartmentalize the objects of their fetishization, and aren't objective.

>>38527654
as long as women can't be held responsible for homophobia, nothing will change
most homophobia is not men beating gays up, its women socially excluding gay men and women and keeping them on the outs of society

>>38527706
Firstly, not a chaser.
Secondly, you obviously never read my post and just ASSUMED what I said.
My post had NOTHING to do with crime rates vs another group and I never once mentioned "fembrain".

It was about the process of change within society and the inevitable struggle between those who want change, and those who don't.
I mentioned homophobia and transphobia, but it could apply to anything.
Feminism, black rights, you name it.

>>38527756
Because men don't ACTUALLY "rule the world".
They seek to control things on behalf of loved ones to provide anything and everything they can.

Men are dumb and are at the behest of women.
How many times have you seen 2 men fight, purely because one of them was related to/involved with a woman who found the other man offensive?

>>38527866
I've seen people here on lgbt get really angry with me when I've suggested that men fight for women, and they told me that doesn't happen and couldn't happen and women are blameless. So many people feel that way, too.

>>38527874

expecting the lgbt board to understand any men, much less straight ones, was your first mistake

>>38527916
understanding men? its about understanding how women operate and what their social aims are

>>38527925
>I've seen people here on lgbt get really angry with me when I've suggested that men fight for women

sorry thats my bad for being a straight man. no wonder you couldnt understand me lmao

>>38527866
anon you must be joking
the kind of men who get in fist fights certainly don't rule the world...
but the richest and most powerful people are men
the armies are lead and staffed by men
you've got to be underage or on drugs to believe women "rule the world" just because you can't fucking get one to pay attention to you

>>38527952
women control society socially, they don't need to be violent themselves when men are mind-controlled to obey them and do what they want for them

>>38527976
you're retarded, anon.
your opinion is clouded by being an incel, it's worthlessly inaccurate.

>>38528838
no argument, just personal attacks

>>38518093
>>incredibly mentally ill
I won't deny that but let she who is without sin cas the first stone

>>38520147
nta but I believe you, now can I make love to you