why are agps are so hellbent on denying their agp status, larping as hsts, or even rejecting blanchardiasm all together? do they only receive immense satisfaction from the world believing they are something that internally they know they truly arent? and blanchardiasm ruins that?
reading that is such a trip
I reject you, mr blanchardYou wont change my mind
>>38559507I mean, if you only went after the hypersexual weirdos then it would be one thing. But y'all act like every trans woman who is attracted to women is some kind of fetishist. To me that tells me it's not about anything but bigotry.
there is no point in answering posts like this
>>38559507the majority of cis women are "agp." blanchard just wants to convince himself that those who disagree with his ideology are coping rather than believe he's actually wrong.
>>38559574I believe they call that an unfalsifiable hypothesis in the biz
>>38559556Jeeps need to embrace Jeephood.
>>38559674embrace picking cotton on a plantation
>>38559507damn 900 likes. world-shattering stuff.
>>38559714That is not even remotely comparable. Did Blanchard enslave jeeps and force them to be jeeps?
>>38559734less typing more picking
>>38559507i dont hate blanchard but i do think that the causal relationship he establishes between gynephilic transsexualism and autogynephilia is poorly argued. there are so many issues with the theory, and he is aware of them. when he argues for it's validity he brings up insane freudian shit to resolve discrepancies, like auto-pair bonding or 'narcissistic rage' (that one might have been lawrence actually). he also spends too long talking about the 1% extremes and treating them as a prototypical case.it seems to me way more likely that what he calls agp is some sort of coping mechanism formed by having a transsexual identity while also being attracted to women (most fetishes are copes after all). it easily explains the imperfect incidence and remission after transition without resorting to calling everyone a liar.
>>38559748Damn, you've articulated the suspicion I've had for ages and have been struggling to put into words. Props. I'll remember this for the next time someone brings up Blanchard.
>>38559507i dont really care whether his theory is correct because if you want to transition for a fetish more power to you honestly, idc if something makes people happybut as a person he's really weird, it's not typical for an academic to argue about their papers with randos on twitter lmao, especially not 40 years after the fact and ESPECIALLY not in healthcare where your work involves real people and those people are probably the most marginalised group in societytl;dr why is blanchard so hellbent on agp's existing
>>38559507blanchardianism is obviously false. several different things you could reasonably call "agp" just based on the meaning of the roots are real components of many different sexualities, but erotic target location errors aren't real.if i had agp i'd just say so, because there's nothing wrong with it and lots of women do have it. i don't have agp, despite being mtf and having zero attraction to men. this alone is sufficient to falsify blanchardianism, which is why he and his followers insist people like me must be lying.
>>38559507>why do people not like being labeled as disgusting perverts???I dunno that’s crazy. Are you autistic perchance?
>>38559791I suspect it's because he sees autogynephilia as his legacy in the world. If it's the only think he's written about that got attention then it makes sense for him to cling to it.Still fucked up of course. I hate this guy. He's harming innocent trans women for purely selfish reasons.
>>38559748I know detrans men who developed AAP and started masturbating to male POV videos because estrogen made them dysphoric. I know detrans women who developed AGP like tendencies. Seems like a cope to me.
>>38559556i honestly dont feel like any chuds would know what agp is
>>38559748>agp is some sort of coping mechanism formed by having a transsexual identityyeah pretty much, if you go on the r/askagp subreddit you can see people that unironically call themselves agp talk about how they have dysphoria that predates porn use/masturbation or whatever, but still want to deny the fact they're trans, instead they think they have an auto-erotic sexual orientation or something>>38559822I guess being known for something is cool but it's like the shittiest legacy ever lmao, you """proved""" that some trans people are autoerotic, like wowww
>>38559872why wouldnt they? it was all over pol and probably still there im too lazy to look
>>38559872nah it's a major GC talking point unfortunately
>>38559887thats surprising yet not actually not
>>38559872they're starting to but it's still mostly just the terminally online ones
>>38559507I love blanchy though?
>>38559748Just speculating, could it be that it is actually an effective coping strategy and that most men who develop a healthy sex life later are able to move on? It being effective is also why lesbian transsexuals generally transition later in life?
>>38559549blanchard actually talks about how fetishization is not exclusive and that agps often have varying degrees of it that may alter over time >>38559556my intention with this thread is to better understand the mindset behind agp and malebrained individuals in general>>38559574thats wrong, but i get what you mean if youre talking about meta-attraction. any gender can experience sexual desire from being dominated, but its only the straight males who assert that as wrong when it happens to them or any other males. the closet thing to an agp is a cis lesbian, many of who will end up in heterosexual relationships out of ease. but i dont think they experience agp impulses because of their afab status; its impossible for them to have crossdressing type fantasies when to them its just dressing.
>>38559507i don't think they don't exist- but nothing of what he has ever said describes me, my behavior, or my lifeand im not the only one outside of his mould
>>38559748>he also spends too long talking about the 1% extremes and treating them as a prototypical case.but theres so clearly a culture on /tttt/ that suits the impulses of female-attracted amab that gay males/hsts cannot relate to. >it seems to me way more likely that what he calls agp is some sort of coping mechanism formed by having a transsexual identity while also being attracted to women id argue that all straight men have agp impulses deep down, or rather just anything that relates to engaging in 'taboo'. typically the more regulated man who is able to get his needs properly meant wont have the need to succumb to them. but really any DL guy who actively seeks out gay sex whether it be with a twink or trans is engaging in his 'degeneracy' to cope with his unmet needs. a female-attracted amab that chooses to transition is doing the final step of this 'taboo' pipeline. while autogynephilia may be referring to the specific act of getting turned on from crossdressing, this entire transitioning process i think still speaks to heterosexual male's desire for 'degeneracy' by opening pandora's box and full embracing what they deep down, internally know to be utter 'taboo'. i put apostrophes by it because gay men and hsts, for example, genuinely dont view any of it as taboo. same as how on /pol/ they say women genuinely dont have a morality structure, and it's true; they all intrinsically choose viewpoints dependent on their environment. as for female-attracted amab, however, i genuinely believe that their feigned ignorance juxtaposed to their secret cognizance of engaging in 'taboo' is an imperative component to their transition, and ANY blanchard-like thoughts that single them out on this completely ruins their ability to use the transition to get their needs met. it also completely explains their defensiveness as compared to hsts' lack of care for the entirety of this subject.
>>38559791this.blanchard is as bad as elon when it comes to craving attention
>>38561719> agps attracted to women are just secretly attracted to men or prison gayshsts copewe are allowed to just be bi like damn anon
There is a lot of shame and disgust centered around sexuality in our culture and it’s a form of social aggression to highlight people’s atypical sexuality and all the associated baggage. Simple as.
>>38559507reminder ray is a nigger
>Wtf guys all I did was present my scientific theory that you’re all sexual deviants publicly getting off to your skinwalker crossdressing fetish, why are you responding to me with this hostility!? It’s not like I increased the chances of society rejecting you and inflicting violence on you or anything, even though I did and I’m still doing it now!Why is he like this?
Not all gynephilic transwomen are AGP, but regardless the vast majority of them are actually men with duplicitous reasons for transitioning. For some it's a fetish, for others it's way of avoiding responsibility and accountability, but very few have a genuine female gender identity.
>>38562820> source: my cope
>>38559507Gee idk why do jews deny blood libel?
>>38561719>but theres so clearly a culture on /tttt/ that suits the impulses of female-attracted amab that gay males/hsts cannot relate to.have you been keeping up with the board? idk maybe this was true at a time but its certainly not right now. "I HATE TRANSBIANS I HATE AGPS" threads rarely pop up anymore, and it's not because all the straight trans have migrated you can find many of their posts on catalog. you can call these all meta-attracted agps but then we fall all the way back to common blanchardist issue of calling everyone who doesn't fit the mould a liar. that would also apply to the rest of what you posted. I could say right now that most of my earliest memories are to do with mimicking female peers to try and fit in. some blanchardists would say that my agp had just started already at that point (what was the one theory that went something along the lines of transvestic trauma), others would say im lying either to them or to myself, with your whole theory I imagine you would say something along the lines of "this would just signal your later downwards trend in degeneracy", I could say I dont find transitioning to be degenerate, you would call back to your post saying >however, i genuinely believe that their feigned ignorance juxtaposed to their secret cognizance of engaging in 'taboo' is an imperative component to their transition, and ANY blanchard-like thoughts that single them out on this completely ruins their ability to use the transition to get their needs met. it also completely explains their defensiveness as compared to hsts' lack of care for the entirety of this subject.or something like that right? its an endless cycle of points that all make for poor arguments. which goes back to my original post and issue with it all.
>>38561092So it was stupid and meaningless all this time?
>>38562889The only good jew was le Magnus Hirschfield
>>38562148well i do think all men are turned on by 'taboo' sex, thats why straight men think it's a choice to be gay because they believe they are actively making the choice to not indulge in this 'degenerate' sex. and its mostly the unhealthy men that do to cope. guys that fuck prison gays is just a matter of there not being a woman around.>we are allowed to just be bi like damn anonand the thing with that is if you notice hsts and gays never identify as bi. they may initially when they are starting to come out to test the waters, but never after they fully come out. being able to feel attraction to women is exclusively a malebrained thing.
>>38563022i dont find transitioning to be degenerate either, but my point is i believe that all men who are female-attracted internally do, even the ones who transition. i think the main motivation of their transition is to become something they themselves feel they arent. hence egg analogies, all of them require external validation "you doing that means youre an egg!, your egg is breaking!" >I could say right now that most of my earliest memories are to do with mimicking female peers to try and fit inthats exactly what i would do with men. i would willfully try to adopt straight male mannerisms, cadence, and talking style to fit in. because as a kid i realized any time i acted in a way i naturally felt (which was zesty) i was ridiculed for it and that caused a lot of pain.
>>38563231I can relate to that too but that didn't start until later. idk my childhood was pretty fucked up for reasons completely unrelated to my gender nonconformity so its hard to really summarise all my experiences, but the older I got the less comfortable I felt acting the way I used too and the more I tried to fit in with boys. I remember the real turning point was me growing out long hair at my mother's place (split parents), then going to my father's place and having him pull me to the ground by it during dinner. that must have been when I was 8 or 9. I dont love the egg metaphors but I do understand them, I think it's very much a cope they haven't missed out. the idea that "the girl you were always meant to be" was always there and is only now coming out helps to cope with what might otherwise feel like wasted time, you were just "incubating". not ready to come out yet. I'm not sure, I have a lot of issues with my contemporary gynephilic trans women but agp isn't one of them. I just tend to think their lack of self awareness is unbecoming of an mtf. mostly a problem with the older ones which I think just has to do with the mental toll of repression. that, or it taking so long to realise they're trans just meaning that they have a tendency to be oblivious people.
>itt: posters proving that blanchard was right
>>38559507i'm agp and i don'tbut i think most tranners feel dysphoric about being agp
>>38562287Why does he want to create more hons so bad.
>>38559880>you can see people that unironically call themselves agp talk about how they have dysphoria that predates porn use/masturbation or whatever, but still want to deny the fact they're transIf only they understood that AGP literally makes you trans...
Because its a pseudoscientific concept that only applies to transwomen. How many ciswomen do you know that like getting fucked in the mirror? The amount of times I've heard ciswomen talk abt having had experiences where they have been aroused by their own appearance is ridiculous. It is transphobia pure and simple, when ciswomen feel aroused by their own image its empowering and when transwomen experience this its a paraphilia. Anyone who subscribes to this shit is unironically a fuckless incel/femcel who needs to touch grass and ass asap. Hottest sex I ever had was when this guy picked me up and choked me in front of a mirror while he fucked me and made me look while he kept asking me "do you know how hot you are? do you know how beautiful you are?". I unironically have came hard as fuck while fucking myself with my favorite toy in the mirror. Free yourselves
>>38567213I know a woman who couldn't get off unless looking at herself in a mirror.
>>38567383Luckily for me its an occasional indulgence for me, my go to fantasy involves being a slutty jester getting fucked by the court executioner as a bid to escape death. That or getting railed by an incubus at 4am
>>38559507I do think the hate for blanchard is overblown and comes down to people misinterpreting his theories due to how transphobes use them. he fully thinks AGPs should transition
>>38561526i mean it does to a degree, AGP usually isn't conscious it's subconscious, you transitioned later, you feel dysphoria, and you're gynephilic
>>38567213you know you're not better than anyone else just because you've had sex right
>>38567446Yeah I'm aware of that as someone who has spent years and years celibate before. I think my point is that people who obsess over the concept of agp are stuck in a limited narrow perspective of human sexuality.
>>38567482i agree but please but more careful in the future with the things you say ok? it hurts people
>>38567521shut up. you're not even old enough to use this board spice bag
>>38559507autogynephilia existing is the only thing hes right about, and it's something that pretty easy for anyone to observe and figure outeverything else is just kooky nonsense, a broken clock is right twice a day
>>38567521>>38567559Thats not my response, but I stand by what I say. If you are focusing on agp and attacking other transwomen you perceive to be it or deny it because they think the concept is stupid you deserve to be called names lmfao.
>>38567580I don't think he's wrong about HSTS in a way I just don't think it only applies to gay boys, I think it's observable there are people with low gender inhibition who act feminine and find it easier to live as women so they do for personal benefits and sex because feminine men are less desirable than feminine women. we see this with trans maxxers and HRT femboys as well
>>38567580He’s right about a few other things, but he’s not some sort of perfect all knowing deity or something.
I believe in agpBut first you must consider.America and Europe are protestant brained. Even the atheists are protestant brained. That includes shame around sex. Saying someone's irregular sexuality (agp) interacts with their sense of identity (i am a woman) is seen as morally repellant and disgusting. Despite the fact it's normal for everyone's gender ide city and sexuality to intersect with each other. In such a culture you could never expect this to fall om welcoming ears. Especially in a society where trans people are treated like shit it's best not to talk about things that'll convince the puritan brain that we're weird coomers.Second, dumbass Blanchard set up his ideas around agp around a bunch of other unreasonable dichotomies. Hsts = feminine and agp = masculine. Hsts= pretty agp = ugly. Hsts = dumb and agp= smart. In real life AGPs are pretty diverse in behavior, ability to integrate with other women, beauty, and interests.
>>38559549I think it's ida to just stop seeing "fetishist" as a negative. In reality a fetish is just an irregular sexuality. Its not a morally negative thing.
>>38567421hsts use it against us as like a slur or something we should be ashamed of99% of the hate i get it from hsts that hate me and want to exclude me from the trans community for allegedly making them "look bad"
