>>38587483
>sentence tranny to prison to make her into an even more violent person that will likely hurt more people
doesnt this make you kind of sad? i dont like it when people suffer for no reason

>>38587506
what should we do with violent trannies, then? they said this was 5 years ago at least, there's a good chance they hadn't even started HRT yet

>>38587523
they should still go to prison until they stop being violent but those should be swedish style prisons
it feels weird to treat violent people so nice but if we remember stopping the violence is our main goal above punishment, it just works better (or yk at all, other way makes them more violent)

>>38587523
>what should we do with violent trannies, then
give them kisses in the forehead

>>38587483
y r transbians like this?

>>38587523
who knows, probably not send them off to be raped, turned into hairy hulking monsters, then set lose on society
but whatevs
>>38587533
you have to think about it like, if an eye for an eye is really the whole point, then shouldnt the jury, judge, police, prosecutioner, etc be subjected to the same pain the tranny will experience in prison? its clearly not murder or anything
it doesnt matter anyway, most people in this world are cruel enough to deserve death, but trannies have experienced so much punishment just from living that i dont think they deserve any more

>>38587533
i mean if you ask me all criminals should go to a place like that, not sure why you're saying trannies specifically

>>38587551
trannies say shit like this and then wonder why everyone thinks they're freaks. if you break the law you should be punished accordingly and trannies aren't the only ones who have bad lives, you narcissistic retard.

>>38587590
then maybe people with lives as bad as trannies shouldnt be punished either
i wouldnt punish a poor person for shoplifting once or twice but youd probably give them jail time

>>38587483
wait the people behind that are a transbian couple?

>>38587600
tranny in the OP admitted it was a violent crime. it wasn't just shoplifting. they said they were a violent person and they're going away for 3 years, that's not just stealing an apple from the market. violent people need to be separated from the general population to protect the general population from the violence of the violent people, this should make sense for anyone with a functional brain

>>38587623
i dunno i think people with especially hard lives should be excused from punishment for that sort of thing, especially if theyve clearly done a lot to change like this tranny has

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>>38587600
>"I was a very violent person and I hurt a lot of people in my life."
>she dindu nuffin!
Do trannies really?

>>38587630
cissoids are also very violent people, but they just direct it all to minorities and people lesser than them so no one cares

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>>38587628
how do we determine who has had an "especially hard life"? what sort of "things" should they be excused from? do you not see how this could be used to make a mockery of the legal system if violent offenders can claim "daddy didn't hug me :(" and get away with no reprucissions? things like rape and domestic abuse already go way under-reported, how are victims of those crimes going to feel if some retarded tranny manages to get a law passed that says "yeah but what if the rapist had a kinda tough life yanno?" and they just get to walk free?

>>38587643
>oh i heard the word tranny i must talk about rape
opinion ignored

>>38587551
the very idea of deserving is a human (or divine but let's not get into that) moral construct. in material reality there is only the concrete of the actions we take, their material outcomes, the feelings elicited thereby. what makes those things right or wrong is whether they're working for our chosen moral framework. generally this means "my own good" or "the social good" (which are deep down the same but another let's not get into that).
punitive so-called justice is wrong because it doesn't serve those big picture moralities, it harms them. it lowers the future growth and productivity of convicts, increases their likelihood to reoffend, and leads inevitably to the occasional punishment of innocents. there is just no rational reason for it, it's wrong because it's a thing we ONLY do to satisfy our tribalist bloodlusted monkey brains
>>38587582
why should all the "criminals" go to a place like that? does it yield benefits for you or the society you live in to do things this way? and are you so confident that the state is only identifying truly dangerous people to class as criminal? in the united states, 92% of people serving time did not even commit a violent offense. most of them just bought weed. is that really a crime at all, let alone one worthy of punishment, let alone the same punishment given to murderers? seems flawed to me

>>38587640
Someone has obviously hurt you a lot, but this insane mindset is not the way to go. What you're proposing is that trannies get preferrential treatment from the law. There's a word for when one class of people gets preferrential treatment in the eyes of the government. People like you are why tranny rights are being eroded day by day.

>>38587656
most people just want to see violence inflicted upon others and the justice system is just how cissoids do it without repercussions

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>>38587671
you're so right bestie we should just let all the murderers and rapists and pedophiles out of prison :3

Why do trannies excuse the violence of other trannies so frequently? It's even worse than the blacks.

>>38587670
who gives a shit
no one is allowed to talk bad about jews and they dont even suffer inherently
i dont even mind jewish people either, i just find it wrong that they get more protection than trannies despite trannies suffering just by existing
yes some people should get preferential treatment from the law, actually that literally already fucking happens in a lot of cases
>>38587678
most are getting out eventually and its not like theyll be better off the more time they spend in there

>>38587590
No one suffers like trannies do. Cisoid problems are peanuts compared to tranny problems.

>>38587706
>actually that literally already fucking happens in a lot of cases
And that sounds like something you're unhappy with. You'd just prefer it's YOUR favorite class of people getting preferrential treatment. What you're advocating for isn't justice, it's just you don't like that YOUR chosen people aren't the ones getting away with their crimes. You're no better than them, you covetous swine.

>>38587671
>cissoids
this is y noone likes ur movement

>>38587670
Trannies should get preferential treatment to counteract the discrimination we receive in society. Trannies can only be integrated into society when we're a privileged class protected from the cattle masses by a strong, authoritarian government.

>>38587721
genuinely hope trump does everything he promised and more to trannies and i say this as someone who voted against him twice. you freaks grow bolder and more deranged with each passing year and i'm glad people are starting to realize how demented you truly are

>>38587721
is this bait cuz i don’t need any of those things to be normal in society

>>38587523
If anything we should force all violent criminals onto estrogen. Testosterone is the main cause of all violent crime

>>38587736
Shut up pick me

>>38587720
the only reason you dont like trannies is because you hate ugly people and want them to suffer
>>38587718
really? if you read my earlier posts and im sure you didnt im in favor of people who have horrible lives like trannies getting preferential treatment too
trannies commit crimes way less than average anyway and people are still out to try to lock us up at every opportunity, i dont have much sympathy for people like you
>>38587730
why are you even here? why do you think im an average representation of all trannies? i am a single person

>>38587741
>pick me is when ur able to be normal in society without needing to be treated like a special needs retard
ok lol

>>38587730
>trannies say they want to be safe
>"OUTRAGEOUS! I HOPE ALL TRANNIES GET PUT IN DEATH CAMPS!"
then cisoids wonder why we want protection lmfao
>>38587736
refer to >>38587741

>>38587746
i don’t dislike trannies i literally am one

>>38587671
this is true. but it doesn't have to be this way. we have already done much to quell our baser instincts and create an enlightened way of living, this is just another frontier of that.
>>38587678
why do people always respond to talk about rehabilitative justice like this?
even sweden will still toss a murderer in the clink for decades. but instead of leaving him to fester in a violent cess pool that makes it worse it's just time-out with mandated counseling and stuff.
there are more than the two most extreme options here.
although frankly a lot of people who go to prison could probably be under house arrest or parole instead and it would be fine

>>38587746
>trannies commit crimes way less than average
this is false and you know it. genuinely turn your computer off and go hang yourself you stupid nigger

>>38587755
tell me ur idea of what cis people are like is /pol/ without telling it me directly

>>38587650
Nta but retard, he made a valid argument

>>38587755
You don't want protection, though. You want free reign to do whatever you want. You want immunity from any accountability and punishment based solely upon your position as a male who takes estrogen. If you don't see how that's insane, then you deserve any suffering you recieve. You have no empathy, no insight, and no place in a civilized society.

>>38587483
ROGD
ROGD
ROGD!

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>>38587784
>ignore survey data
>ignore cis people talking candidly online
>ignore your personal experiences
>cisoids are good boys they dindu nuffin you're just brainwormed!
>>38587798
I want a higher position in society to protect me from the cisoid cattle masses who want to lynch me. It's oppress or be oppressed. Eunuchs in ancient China, etc knew this.

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>>38587755
lmao this, i never called for all cissoids to die
>>38587767
it isnt, most people always scream about trannies raping kids despite them being less likely than basically everyone besides cis women, who frequently get away with pedophilia due to being cis and women
>>38587798
>strawman
>you have no place in society
>we will get rid of you
>b-b-b-but i didnt mean camps! i just meant erm.. uh..

>>38587807
They may want to lynch you because you are an evil narcissist. Just a possibility.

>>38587815
>tranny wants to live a normal life
>cisoids call for tranny death camps anyway
>tranny responds by advocating for some basic protections from the government
>"SEE! YOU WERE EVIL ALL ALONG!"
I can't tell if you're this bad faith or just extremely retarded, probably both

>>38587825
Committing violent crimes is not "living a normal life".

>>38587828
cissoids commit violent crimes all the time, more than trannies actually
should you get put in a camp anon? the world would be safer for it

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holy fucking shit this thread is crazy, the TERFs may be onto something what the hell is wrong with moids

>>38587844
If I committed a violent crime I would expect to be placed in prison like anyone else, yes. I live within a civilized society that has laws and I know fully well if I break those laws I am placed at risk of imprisonment, I willingly obey the law because I do not wish to harm others and I do not wish to be placed in prison. This is how society has operated for millenia.

>>38587844
>per capita.
>we still treat criminals as criminals regardless of their sexual orientation.
Nta but anon..

>>38587807
my personal experience is that i get gendered female 100% of the time and everyone’s nice to me, but go on

>>38587506
source on prison making people more violent?
going to prison for 3 years after jamming it up in court for 5 years. sounds somewhat serious.
>>38587533
I don't think they can afford Sweden style prisons in the US. too many prisoners

>>38587867
i cant imagine how annoying it must be to be a normal passing trans woman and have to listen to insane bitterhons all the time

>>38587848
nothing said in this thread was actually that crazy besides me rambling, the most violent people in here are the /pol/ posters that showed up to wish trannies death
>>38587860
>this is le good because it is old and i like it
>>38587883
im not going to bother responding to you because from the content of your post it's clear that you're just too stupid to be worth engaging with

>>38587903
breathing oxygen is pretty old, yet you still do so. curious!

>>38587908
im sorry i wasnt aware putting people in prison was as integral to your life as breathing oxygen

>>38587903
that's rude. I'm actually pretty smart btw?
I just never heard of prison *making* someone more violent before

>>38587919
having murderers running amok and killing people without recourse would be kinda difficult yea

>>38587929
>I'm actually pretty smart btw?
lmao

hot take: putting human people no matter what they did in suffering holes behind barbed wire fences to make them suffer and sometimes be used for slave labor or sometimes just beat each other to death...
is bad

>>38587893
>all the time
only on here fortunately and most agree with me here and aren’t extreme like these 2. i don’t go to any other trans space, like i don’t feel like hearing “whaaaahhh i got misgendered” from a transbian with an untrained voice and a stubble they refuse to shave. or have them get mad at me for not agreeing with them on anything, once got a lot of hate for suggesting that communism might be a bad idea. the “trans community” isn’t some community for trannies it’s an extremist movement

>>38587951
>the “trans community” isn’t some community for trannies it’s an extremist movement
yeah it certainly seems that way, judging by some of the opinions expressed on this thread. i always had the ignorant idea that trans women want to be women, it really seems like some of them revel in their position as "a tranny" and prefer to be "a tranny" rather than a woman. it's really bizarre

>>38587919
If someone were to beat the shit out of you and steal your money, would you call the police? If the answer is "yes", then stop replying. If the answer is "no", then continue.

>>38587937
is it really much different compared to before prisons were a thing besides now the murder running amok and killing people gets released back into society after years of violence and slave labor
>>38587968
what a bizarre take not based on anything at all said in the thread

>>38587929
>https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-prisons-make-us-safer/
well, it doesn't make people less violent.
and that's averages. we can know by the sizeable population of people who do come out having used their time to reform and plan a future, and go get stable work and stuff, that some must be balancing that out by exiting more violent than they entered. probably also some who make a good start but end up reoffending anyway because of how hard rebuilding with a felony record is.
we also know that people who do reoffend often commit more "hardened" crimes. someone goes in for shoplifting or selling loosies and the ones who commit a second crime after coming out are often involved in more serious stuff like domestic abuse or gang violence.

>>38587977
what would the police do? probably laugh at me for being a tranny and do nothing or worse

>>38587978
>before prisons were a thing
Prisons have been a thing for millenia you fucking dolt, and before then they would just kill you or banish you from the tribe. You are not even 1% as smart as you think you are. What you're advocating for is pure anarchy, and pure anarchy inevitably leads to tyranny once the biggest fish is established. You and your ilk have zero idea how the real world works and it shows.

>>38587929
prison is like school for felons

>>38587984
okay now go check out the recidivism rate in countries like norway for me. the problem is not prison as a concept the problem is the way prison is handled in america. you have a very narrow worldview which is to be expected from an autistic male, try to expand your horizons a bit

>>38587989
he'll just respond
>but school is le good??
>>38587986
i just dont agree with prison at all, if the options are between violence and more violence id rather just pick the one that causes less harm for trannies

>>38588008
>id rather just pick the one that causes less harm for trannies
okay so prison it is then. because the alternatives are mob violence, expulsion from society forever (and dying out in the woods because you're a hopeless retard), or just being killed (and the killer gets no consequence because le prisons are bad)

>>38588031
well i think death is better than rape so prison still causes more harm

>>38587985
one time i called the police for a suspected break in and it was embarassing in my jammies when they came but they were super nice and sent a surprising amount of cops to make sure it was safe.
the issue is more with how they conduct street patrols or pursue vaguely described suspects or things like arrest quotas, that's when the bearings and shootings and shit happen. also a problem with unions and bad enforcement mechanisms for cops who break the law, and bad laws like civil forfeiture, and bad generational culture on how to treat perps within police agencies, and they carty firearms just way too often.
but even with all that you will find that most cops are cool and want to help people. they have the mentality of an EMT, except they're layering cope on to deal with how their place of employment and some of their coworkers behave.
younger cops or like older near retirement cops seem to be cool most often. probably some of the old guys are only nice to me because i'm white and are closet kkk though. but i think mostly the bad ones are the guys in their 30s-40s who want to be the punisher.

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>>38588046
so the tranny game dev in the OP should have just been put to death? aight then, interesting take but you do you hon. good talk

>>38587968
i feel like it’s a cope. a lot of them even call passing and stealthing a transphobic concept. how’s that not just a cope out of jealousy?

>>38588052
im an ugly tranny so no cop is gonna be nice to me unfortunately
>>38588058
death or no jail time at all yup, but i think the latter would be better in this case

>>38587986
Prisons as we have them now are very recent. There used to be prisons in the antiquity and middle ages but prisoners were kept there until the trial and then the judge decided what to do with them (death, mutilation, fines, whippings etc but never incarceration for a long time). Prison abolitionists like that annoying tranny in this thread hate what we have now but they also don't want to go back because it was too brutal. They are also afraid to admit they want violent criminals to go unpunished.

>>38588060
So who are the good trannies?
t. Concerned chaser citizen

>>38588068
i mean tranny literally just advocated for the death penalty not more than 10 posts ago so honestly it seems like that's what the trannies desire now. i guess it makes sense considering most of them are suicidal

>>38588079
death is less brutal than prison for trannies yes

so does anyone actually know what happened to the dev or is everyone just having yard shit flinging contest

>>38588087
i just felt like replying to everyone for a bit, i think ill be over it soon, i need occasional social interaction too unfortunately

>>38588071
i hope most of us, idk if the extremist hons are a loud minority, but i hope they r. i feel like “the good trannies” is just anyone normal, spoken to plenty here. they’re just not really on reddit or trans discords.

>>38588087
They made a game about a rape victim shooting people along with their tranny wife. They had an ongoing court case from 5 years ago during this. A few weeks ago, tranny wife had "a botched surgery" that nearly killed her, and after she recovered she decided she didn't want to make the game any more. Now tranny is the only dev, and that ongoing court case has reached a conclusion so she is going to jail for 3 years. We don't know the nature of the crime, but trannydev has stated it was violent and they believe they deserve the punishment they were given.

>>38587883
as was mentioned earlier in this thread, 92% of american prisoners did not commit a violent crime. ever since reconstruction ended we've always locked people up for no good reason. once it was vagrancy and debt laws, we got a brief reprieve when debt slavery ended and the war and new deal put a bunch of hands to work instead, but then it was the drug war (which btw, was admitted on tape as being a facade for locking up black people and antiwar hippies), and after that the crime wave panic and mandatory minimum sentencing in the 90s. and the slow rise of plea bargaining has contributed too.
unironically the vast majority of people in american prisons could just be set loose without consequence. because they were never dangerous in the first place.

>>38588106
>rape victim revenge fantasy
whats wrong with that

>>38588115
The game was kindasorta implying that being raped gives you super powers and displayed the rape in a very graphic way.

>>38588002
>okay now go check out the recidivism rate in countries like norway for me
did you try controlling those for race

>>38588121
god i fucking wish, i have been raped so many times i would be like a kryptonian up in here

>>38588124
controlling for race is meaningless unless you also control for migration. syrians and somalis are not representative of a black norweigan.
show me the native born black people of trøndheim, i bet they are just normie pacifist norwegians (uh, if that group exists, norway is pretty homogeneous lmao)

>>38588121
I downloaded the demo and I couldn't get past the combat tutorial guys... Interesting game though...

>>38588128
well i certainly hope none of those rapists were subjected to the horrors of the prison system, that would be a true tragedy

>>38588121
its probably more of an indulging in a fantasy sort of thing than "being raped gives you superpowers" lol

>>38588168
In either case, Steam didn't like how this trans woman depicted the rape of a cis woman and so trannydev had a lot of trouble getting the game published. They infamously had a very huge public breakdown and said some pretty awful things about various people in the indie game scene, even people who were trying to give her advice on how to get her game approved. Seems that outburst was indicative of a pattern, now that it's been shown she's a violent criminal.

>>38588164
well, honestly it kinda would. i don't think me pressing charges and getting those people thrown in the hole would've helped anything. our prisons don't do anything that adjusts the mentality of a rapist, and most of them it was just dumb mistakes teenagers make and i got the short end, i don't think they're hurting anyone now.
there was one who didn't exactly rape me but sexually assaulted and domestic abused me, probably needs some time in the swege prison.

there was also the pedogroomer who got my cherry before i hit double digits, but he is dead and the world is better for it so i don't have to worry about what should be done with him. but, if i really think about it i probably would quell my desire to see him burn in hell and recognize that if he were alive what he needs is help.
real reparative justice is important, i try not to let my own trauma cloud that.

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>>38588235
at first i was angry at you for being such a complete and total retard, now i just feel kinda bad for you. what a broken, pathetic thing you are. i hope death releases you from this world sometime soon

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>>38588235
Holy Stockholm Syndrome

>>38588289
that seems unnecessary. we both want the same thing -- less crime. i'm just taking a data driven approach to that while you're taking an emotional one. if i can survive the horrors i have and still not want anyone forced to suffer or put to death, what's your excuse for being so violent?

>>38588347
humans are beings of emotions

>>38588366
sure, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to let emotions dictate what the coercive force of the state is used for. if emotional politics was a good idea then the holocaust would have been justified.
(and please god don't be about to disagree with me on that the holocaust bad lmao)

>>38588347
An angel among devils

>>38588140
>controlling for race is meaningless unless you also control for migration
hmm
no, it's actually pretty meaningful

>>38588390
i will disagree with you that raping someone is just a little oopsie. it sounds like you just like being raped. which is okay, but you shouldn't apply your own weird fetishes to other people

>>38588390
>boys will be boys

>>38588438
Eeeeh you know how men are they just can't help themselves *shrugs*

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>>38588235
>most of them it was just dumb mistakes teenagers make
Oh you're so right girlie. Silly boys, just can't help raping people lol. No reason to judge them for it, just a lil' silly mistake. Just a lil' fucky wucky!

>>38588114
This entire thread is just people who’ve never worked a job where you need to interact with the bottom rung of society. Id lock up 90% of people who buy stuff from a food truck. Some people are simply animals.

>>38588391
we must all try our best <3
>>38588413
i didn't say it was just a little oopsie i'm talking ambiguous situations i technically had the physical power to escape involving coercion or ignorance of my nos or intoxicants. i've not been stranger-raped, but i do think the people who do that are operating very differently to teens and college kids pressuring people into sex or taking advantage of situations. those ones do need to be locked up temporarily for public safety (but, still swege style, no punishment pits)
>you just like being raped
i am trying so hard not to say anything un nice
what the fuck anon
>>38588438
see above. also two of the people who assaulted me were women (well, one is ftm now but at the time)
>>38588471
sigh. see above.

>>38588627
What you're describing isn't rape.

>>38588591
i used to work at a 24 hour coffee shop atrached to a gas station off the interstate in a big city. i remember this tweaker who kept inexplicably wandering between the cars in my drive thru line to piss and shit. another one kept trying to climb our front wall and rip the music speaker out, and he came in yelling a couple times. there were other tweakers or just homeless guys milling around, sometimes on my walk home i would get weird sexual advances or get followed (or asked to bum a cig, those guys were kino).
i don't feel a need to punish any of these people. i think they need homes and full bellies, they need a path to employment, they need mental health help, and in many cases they need rehab.
seeing the "scum" firsthand only taught me to see their humanity even easier. maybe you rush past them in fear but i look, and sometimes i talk to them. and i just see solvable problems burying ordinary people

>>38588641
so if i say no repeatedly and then don't really participate but don't stop it either just sit frozen like a rabbit while it happens and then go home in a confused daze, i was not raped?
fascinating, good to know, thanks for your insight

>>38587483
This makes me happy.

>>38588679
Yes, you were not raped.

>>38588679
Raped Status: Negative

>>38587506
i hate the carceral system, i hate incentivized recidivism, why does everything have to be subsumed by the desire for short term capital

>>38587533
you're completely detached from reality, did you even move away from your parents?
irl 99% of these people aren't oppressed puppies who just need a 2nd chance, criminals are not nice people, you've just never had to deal with it because of how sheltered you are
very common in the west, it's not for nothing there's support for shit like looting being allowed in NY and CA, too many eternal children whining when really they should be told to shut the fuck up so the adults can talk
t.cop

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i gotta stop coming to this board man, never did i think i'd see a tranny defending rapists

>>38588689
>>38588692
retarded and samefagging
>>38588702
yes i moved away from my parents lmao. and again i lived in a dangerous part of a big city and walked home from graveyard shifts in an area full of homeless people and addicts, and i've lived about a dozen other locations besides that, i know what i'm saying.
i actually think you're projecting and need to go outside more. your idea of the criminal as a distinct type of human is deeply detached from reality. most of these people never even stoop to serious violence, and the ones who do 99% wouldn't with better life circumstances. you're terrifying yourself imagining a fantasy world full of innate psychopaths out to get everyone else

>>38588679
Sorry anon, in this country we believe in a concept known as "innocent until proven guilty". You can alledge that they raped you all you like, but you'll need to have them criminally prosecuted before anything can be proven.

>>38588716
jesus fucking christ shut up im not defending rapists
i am saying we should switch to a swedish style rehabilitative prison model because it would mean less crime including LESS RAPES
you people are fucking hopeless guh

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>>38588753
Sorry, but as it turns out there is more than one person on this planet who knows what rape is.

>>38588768
you literally said earlier in the thread that trannydev in the OP should've recieved the death penalty, i dont think you even know what you're arguing for any more

>>38588756
okay this one got a lol out of me

>>38588768
>just copy paste what another country did to a completely different context
What could go wrong. Go ahead and also tell Somalia all they need to do to get rich is copy paste Dutch policies, I'm sure it'll work.

>>38588774
>spamming identical thought
>posts 1 minute apart
yeah sure bud. i know how to clear my cookies too
>>38588781
i never said that lmao i think you're confusing another replier for me. i am deeply against the death penalty in all cases on all levels, on a practical basis, a governance ethic basis, and a religious basis.

>>38588768
>i'm not defending rapists!
>i'm just apologizing for their actions and saying they don't deserve punishment, that's all!
do you read what you type before you press "send" or are you just as stupid as you are ugly

>>38588806
>i know how to clear my cookies too
Try it. Try doing it now. There's a new retarded rule that if you clear your cookies you have to wait 900 seconds to post again. You're just a fucking nutcase and people are disagreeing with you because you're a fucking nutcase. If everything around you looks like shit, it's because you have your head up your ass. You are the definition of a midwit.

>>38588792
if somalia copypasted colonizing the most valuable commodities of our age (so, taking over the microchip fabs i guess), building out enormous colonial and stock market wealth, and reinvesting everything they took into social programs and land development... yes i think somalia would in fact become quite rich.
this comparison however has none of those caveats because we're not talking about replacing an entire economic and social system, we're talking about "how do you fix violence" which is a samey problem across the species.
the multinational world is a laboratory of different mixes of policies and we are free to pick the ones that work best. or we can just live in squalor as you seem to prefer

>>38588806
>a religious basis
oh i didnt know you were actually retarded. god bless anon, i'm gonna go play dynasty warriors

>>38588811
you are unhinged, what you quoted is not what i said, and you should also be nicer
>>38588827
i know there are ways to get around that but whether it was multiple people or not honestly idc either way. either it's samefagging or retarded npc behavior. rape is when someone has sex with someone else who didn't want the sex. that's it, none of the conditions you're trying to add on for what does and doesn't count. i was raped.
and even if you don't count that one the pedophile obviously counts as a rapist lmao.
what a stupid conversation this has become

>>38588861
No one who has been actually raped would describe it as "unwanted sex" or "a mistake". Rape is a deliberate act of violence. Your infantilzed view of this very serious act is disgusting. Do not speak on behalf of rape victims unless you are one.

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Can we have one single thread on this stupid fucking board without some deranged ugly bitterhon making it all about themselves

>>38588941
the thread is about an ugly hon anyway so what difference does it make

>>38588907
man just shut the fuck up and stop victim blaming. i had my virginity stolen from me in a gross unwanted act you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
i've also been in a situation where a man did actually violently pin me while i was trying to fight back and it didn't end in rape but from how the first part felt it wouldn't have been much different. every time i've been any kind of sexually assaulted it's more or less the same. if my response seems strangely muted maybe that's because the first rapes happened before i could read and it became just a part of my life

>>38588941
i didn't make it about me i was talking about prisons and then a gang of retards showed up to chudsplain to me how akshually i was not really raped
and you've called me ugly twice now, that's stupid, you literally don't know what i look like lol

>>38588956
Sorry, are you having an emotional response? Speaking purely from the data, you were not raped. Unless there is an official record of you being raped, it didn't happen. Sorry, I'm not going to pass judgement on possible crimes based solely upon emotion.

>>38587721
>a strong, authoritarian government

Bootlicking freak.

>>38588975
doing these disingenuous mental gymnastics is basically just admitting you're wrong lol

>>38589026
Mental gymnastics? I'm using your own metrics to determine things.

>>38587483
What the fuck???

>>38589050
anon you really shouldnt waste your time arguing with uggos. just let him live in his fantasy delusions

>>38589070
I suppose you're right. It's my fault for taking the bait.

>>38589050
you're making up nonsense is what you're doing. saying that "data driven policy" is synonymous with "nothing is true unless it was proven true in a court of law" is absurd. data driven means truth driven, material reality driven.
the data on my experience with being raped would be the material fact that it happened and that both parties would attest to the events described (with the exception that he probably wouldn't remember it as rape or that i kept trying to say no not now)

>>38587533
Fear of prison also acts to deter violence. If the consequence raping someone was just going to a far away nice place, I think more people would say "fuck it" and just do it.

>>38587483
i cant wait for the day of the rope to come for transbians :3

>>38589211
well it's not exactly meant to be an upgrade. part of why the swedish prison system works is that poverty is so low there and social services for the poor are good as are public amenities. so a destitute person in sweden can still get the quality of life measures a prisoner does but they also keep their freedom, their internet access, their work and family life if they have any, etc.
maybe making them too nice right away would actually be a bad idea, but we could start with ending the slavery, ending the "guards just let prisoners commit a shitfuckload of violent crime on each other" issue, giving them at least slightly better dormitories and meals, more natural light, ending solitary confinement. and letting the nonviolent ones (and maybe some minor violence like bar fight guys or what have you) walk with parole or house arrest and mandatory counseling. also better (and mandatory) mental health services for prisoners obvs.
right now, we are subjecting people to torture and slavery, executing some, and caging hundreds of thousands of people who pose no threat, all while doing basically nothing to cure criminal behavior besides trying to make people afraid of it.
so my point is, not only is what we are doing rn vicious and wrong, but on every practical consideration we could do a LOT better and still have people not want to go to prison. that's all

>>38589211
>amerimutt life is so dogshit that anything other than a giant pit of lawless violence is considered a "nice place"
holy kek

>>38589293
it do be like that tho for the wagies and unemployed. sometimes i consider just moving to someplace with good welfare and easy immigration because it feels like it might actually be easier to be homeless and not speak the language as long as i was in a functioning country
i stay here out of some deranged belief that this country will be fixed and start functioning one day and then fulfill its destiny as the greatest nation

>>38587533
>but if we remember stopping the violence is our main goal above punishment,
People with souls actually want justice and punishment for gross misdeeds.

>>38587483
what the fuck
i was excited for this game wtf do you mean its cancelled because the dev is going to prison?? didnt know the devs were trans more proof trannies make the best video games i guess

the game isnt "about" rape and the scene where it happens isnt like graphic; people dogpiled them because when they were freaking out on twitter about steam not letting them publish the game because they wanted to be clear that the story included that scene the dusk dev gave them rly unhelpful advice and they snapped at him

>>38589411
why is a tranny making a game about a cis woman being raped in the first place. there was room to tell the story of the violence trans women face

>>38589443
>you MUST be trans even in your own stories and games
:/

>>38589458
did you read the second part of my message before you chose the worst possible interpretation of it or did you just see "why is a tranny making a game about a cis woman" and immediately replied

>>38587483
>sex with Hitler
Tell me more

>>38589477
youre basically saying she doesnt deserve to make a game about a cis woman because she isnt one

>>38589490
that's literally not at all what i said you fuckin moron. i said there was a chance to tell a story of the violence trans women face and trans empowerment rather than yet another story of cis woman empowerment using her experiences as a trans woman. how do people like you exist

>>38589510
because a game about a tranny killing a bunch of people would be received even more negatively probably

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>>38589490
>i like pancakes
>OH SO YOU HATE WAFFLES?

>>38589519
if dev was concerned about optics why would she make a game while also having an ongoing criminal trial lol

>>38589486
I mean it's literally just called SEX with Hitler
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1849000/SEX_with_HITLER/
Steam is fine with this but not with whatever the tranny dev originally submitted.

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>>38587766
>why do people always respond to talk about rehabilitative justice like this?
>even sweden will still toss a murderer in the clink for decades. but instead of leaving him to fester in a violent cess pool that makes it worse it's just time-out with mandated counseling and stuff.
It's all about scale.
Compare Sweden's numbers to most other countries and see why they have the luxury of having hotels.

>>38589545
probably just trying to do something creative before she's forced to be the girl in The Morning Visitor and any will she had to live and create is gone

>>38589597
shoulda made a nice happy game like Celeste then idk
sucks to know anyone who paid for the game will likely never see it get completed

>>38589625
probably hard to make a happy game when the end of your life is soon approaching
it sucks to know that she'll probably never be able to be a normal person now

>>38589648
normal people arent violent criminals desu

>>38589648
why are people itt acting like it's just pure and total chance that the dev is ending up in prison? this was a 5 year legal case and dev herself said she is a violent person and hurt people. its not like the police just said "hey lets lock away this random innocent person just for funsies lol" for fuck's sake

>>38589443
i dont think the main character isnt really explicitly trans or cis? in fact theres some moments that you could argue are kind of trans coded; iirc theres a moment where the main character sees a poster of herself and comments that they kind of made her look like a man
why are you arguing when you clearly havent played the game and dont know what the game is about

>>38589784
why aren't you on your knees gagging on my cock?

>>38589363
>justice and punishment
these are often incompatible. justice IS making the crime not happen again. peace is the only true justice.
people may choose to value punishment over justice, you are free to make that choice. but i think justice has more value. i have a caring soul, i want a world that is just now and into the future, i want to stop seeing new victims made. does that not sound good?
>>38589585
you say this like the number of inmates a country has is just a fact of nature. once again, 92%.
>>38589728
the first reply set the tone the entire thread followed from it

>>38589585
also, private prison shitholes are more expensive for the government than fancy swedish prisons anyway, especially if you include knock-on effects from increased recidivism

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>>38589888
how about you let me see your shithole you uppity brat

>>38588668
No they’re incapable of human thoughts. Sure they can be chill, but that doesn’t make them less of zombie rape husks.

>>38590794
why do you believe this?

>>38590990
they themself are damaged and have no compassion for human, it is rare to have sympathy for those struggling in a homeless addict way

>>38592149
maybe true, or they're just trolling. i asked so they and lurkers would take a second to think about it really. often people hold some version of this view unelaborated, and it's just because they've never thought too hard about it.

>>38587551
>if an eye for an eye is really the whole point, then shouldnt the jury, judge, police, prosecutioner, etc be subjected to the same pain the tranny will experience in prison?
No, obviously not, midwit. The scales are balanced by the initial punishment, it equals the original crime in gravity and thus no further retribution toward anyone is required. Retribution toward the officials involved would only be justified if their punishment exceeded the principle of equal return. It would then be reasonable to punish the person responsible to an extent equivalent to the degree of excess.

>>38589585
The main thing to grasp about Swedish prisons that nobody ITT has even touched on is that Sweden considers their prison system totally unfit for purpose and in a state of crisis and they're fiercely debating what reforms are needed, right this minute. You shouldn't use the Swedish system as a model when the people who actually tried and implemented it are calling it a failure.

>>38593164
by your same logic if i go out and kill murderers like dexter the justice system should rule me innocent of any crime because i was just balancing the scales

>>38594114
In modern times no, because you're committing a crime against the public order by violating the violence monopoly of the state. You'll notice that when the killer of a murderer has some connection to the original victim and/or acts in the heat of the moment the punishment is practically universally mitigated however, and sometimes waived entirely. This again is for the same reason. Even in modern times the state recognizes that you're not committing a moral crime against the murderer.

In ancient societies with less state power the law of retribution very often worked literally the way you describe, outlawry was an official declaration that anybody could kill the outlaw without facing a legal penalty, with this exact motivation.

>>38594224
ah yes, the military force of the state, ultimate arbiter of what is true and just

>>38594564
Are you actually this stupid? You referenced the justice system and I explicitly contrasted its judgments with those of the moral law.

>>38594581
my mistake for assuming you were speaking from any kind of principles when you were just playing a stupid semantics game

>>38594738
I was outlining two separate sets of principles which interact, Mongberg. I apologize for assuming that wasn't too hard for you to follow.

>>38592383
I’ve thought about it more than you have about your belief, most definitely. The problem you have is identifying yourself with the people you’re judging, even though their brain processes are almost completely alien to your own. It’s the same with people who think atheism is something that should be encouraged. I’m an atheist but if you’ve actually spent time around a lot of different walks of life you’d quickly understand the fundamental lack of superego and higher processes of thoughts. They’re not alive nor sapient in the sense you understand the word

>>38587483
>explicitly about rape
not seeing any rape on the steam page. someone fill me in before i buy

>>38587548
you know why

>>38597085
>The developers describe the content like this:
>Contains graphic violence, drug and alcohol abuse, and themes of human trafficking.
>Options will be included to censor certain content.
also the developer infamously had a huge meltdown on shitter because valve kept denying her game because rape endorsement isnt something they wanted on their platform

>read through the steam forums
>dev is really snarky and regularly insults people on the main developer account
oh no its one of those hons

>>38598148
You mean... the only kind?

>>38598310
some hons are humble and know their place