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OH MY FUCKING GOD WE GET IT!!! you dont like seeing people be vocally dysphoric! can you stop pretending the moment you have a bad proportion its fucking “phrenology”. yes im sure every single dysphoric woman is perfectly pretty already!!! they should just shut up!!! estrogen literally is magic if you just “work hard enough” at voice training or whatever! wdym that makes no sense??? FFS is literally pointless!! wdym you’re suicidal??? literally shut up!
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>>38589835
i don't need to draw anything on my pictures it's pretty clear lol ._.'
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>>38589835
if i were a youngshit/luckshit stealth gigapassoid id do this on social media too
its probably fun to posture morality and reap the social benefit when you actually just want ugly people to shut up and know their place
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>>38589983
They're not aware enough to know that's their true subconscious motive
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>>38589835
There is literally nothing useful about being vocally dysphoric. Literally yes, shit the fuck up about it. The amount of times every day some ugly as sin nigger posts about how this is bad and that is bad and ngmi and heaven forbid someone try to make you feel better they're hugboxers and liars and chasers.
If someone isn't willing to take any advice then they should shut the fuck up about it.
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>>38590029
>disfigures you and tortures you
>gets mad when you complain publicly about this to try to stop the still happening disfiguration and torture of your people
Cissoids really are interesting creatures
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>>38590029
advice is meant to help it doesnt make depression go away retard
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>>38590069
What the fuck are you talking about about though, are you retarded?

Making a huge fuss and then attacking people for engaging in your huge fuss does nothing but frustrate people trying to help you and make you feel worse about yourself after it all.
There is literally no point in sharing it unless you want actual help, and that is NEVER the case.
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>>38590087
NOBODY WANTS ADVICE FAGGOT THAT IS THE POINT. THEY JUST WANT TO BRING EVERYONE ELSE TO THEIR LEVEL.
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>>38590092
What actual help? There's no help that can be given to someone that's already a hon, but sharing it might save those that are not beyond saving. By making it known that not transitioning early enough causes immense suffering I might save those that can still be saved, by making it socially unacceptable to admit what the permanent effects of male puberty are you are condemning naive young trans women to my fate
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>>38590101
literally this. you give them makeup or styling tips and they have a meltdown about their bones or some shit
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>>38590125
y'all are so lame lmao. everyone knows the more masculine you are the harder it will be you're not giving new information, some people just accept that and live life the best they can


this entire board would benefit significantly from going to a DBT therapist
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>>38590125
Maybe I can explain this to you in a way your cissoid brain can understand:
>person gets chronic pain because of being refused treatment for a condition
>shares this to try to save other people with the condition from the same fate
>people deny this condition causes chronic pain and tell the person that chronic pain is a social construct and they just need therapy
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>>38590167
no one denies it causes mental anguish dude. this is known, complaining about it and letting it hold you back because you're too scared and have too much internalized transphobia to just be a clocky trans woman and cope with it healthily AS A LOT OF PEOPLE DO is just super fucking unnecessary and only makes your pain worse
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>>38590155
No one is born more masculine, masculinization can be prevented with early access to healthcare but cissoids won't even let people say that
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>>38590184
yeah almost like EVERYONE KNOWS THIS. you complaining about some bullshit on FUCKING 4CHAN and making yourself more miserable isn't "informing people"
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>>38590180
>just be disfigured woman without complaining so we can keep disguring more women
You are retarded, if you want me to stop complaining about your atrocities maybe you should at least stop committing them
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>>38590195
Most people don't know this, most people don't have any understanding of the permanent effects of puberty or think trans women can be happy while looking like men, and will stop trans women from being able to get hrt early enough. Also the thread was started from a trans twt screenshot you retard, the place where discussion about the permanent effects of puberty is frowned upon and trans women are told passing doesn't matter
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>>38590259
>>38590208
coping with a mental illness the best you can is something everyone should try to do. that's all. sorry you still think you're slaves to your feelings and can't try to learn ways to be better. I fucking hate this board omg
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>>38590101
>>38590143
you are so fucking stupid just let peopel vent!! its bot fucking hard and sometimes they need to get it out!!! them being sad doesnt drag anyone to their level you people have the emotional maturity of a brick wall
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>>38590259
EXACTLY
>>38590308
the cope is transition and sometimes that just doesnt work the way you’re saying it does! just accept that all you want is for the mentally ill to be mentally ill in a way you can deal with easily
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>>38590180
its not internalized transphobia its dysphoria. the same reason i couldnt live as a man. this is coming off like “why dont you just stop having dysphoria?”
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>>38590092
>no point in sharing it
>literally just let the dysphoria rip you apart dude! wdym you cant just be happy as a man?
>bottle it up just a little bit more just a little bit longer
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>>38590354
>let them vent
>let them attack and belittle everyone who enters the thread they made for the soul purpose of having people post

completely brainless.
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>>38589983
>>38590027
I find this ironic because the thought that ugly people can alleviate dysphoria by making themselves look even more horrific and highlighting their masculine traits by contrasting them against attempted femininity requires no small amount of pure lack of self awareness
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>>38590640
winners dont need awareness
accountability is for losers because winners have power and losers do not and you need power to enforce accountability
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>>38590612
there is a very clear and easily drawn line between venting and actually maliciously insulting someone trying to console them. one of these is fine and the other is wrong but they are ENTIRELY different. and because of some stupid groupthink “4chan is inherently evil!” “passoid is a slur!” “passing doesnt mayter” “dysphoria os transphobic!” bullshit, the popular conception is that they are the same fucking thing. so girls who are just sad too much or too loudly or who dont respond with “gosh thank you i feel ssooooo much better” immediately are branded as evil 4channer hitlerite phrenologists! and all that does is make them feel worse, push them further from community. and maybe i wanna complain!! maybe my transition is fine but i see some girl who had it INFINITELY easier than me and i wanna say “this makes me wanna die” BECAUSE IT DOES and im too scared to because instead of the comfort of a social safety net i have the sword of fucking Damocles waiting to cut my head off. GOD
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>>38589835
I know I am ugly because I wasn't born white.
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>>38590069
>>38590125
>>38590167
>>38590208
>>38590700
YOU RETARDS are ruining my point
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>>38590737
I didn't read any reply so I don't know what's your stupid poopyface point, I just know if I was white I would have had something close to a boyfriend by now.
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>>38590551
sharing it with the internet just makes it worse. genuinely if more trannies on here just went to therapy they'd be able to cope with dysphoria healthily. that doesn't mean you don't have dysphoria anymore, you just deal with it. I used to be like you retards and guess what? I let my transition progress and did therapy to make myself able to cope better. the recommended treatment for transitioning is transitioning AND THERAPY, people forget the second part, specifically most of y'all need DBT
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>>38589835
i dont have to draw lines it's all plainly visible
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>>38590777
im the op. my point is the point of the thread and idc abt your retard assumption that your race is ruining your transition. nana booboo you’re the poopyface
>>38590802
venting 100% is the only way it gets better for me 100% of the time and because i dont have anybody to talk to i am forced to use places like this or journals or literally talking to myself outside. sometimes i cut too. and i HAVE a therapist and it does help but the dysphoria still presses through and i still feel fucked up almost nightly! it would be nice to be able to say “god i just wish i passed” “fuck, i got way less out of transition than everyone else” because it helps. i cannot live comfortably with this dysphoria and without passing and my therapist understands that. it only makes it worse that because of this im forced into this retarded pariah roll by the people that claimed they were my sisters in experience.
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>>38590868
get a better therapist who teaches you proper ways to cope
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>>38590308
I don't have a mental illness you retardz it's a body illness that I was denied treatment for, who said I'm not doing the best I can just because I want to spread awareness of it to save people like me?
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>>38589835
faketrans fetishists have no concept of dysphoria? wow real shocker
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>>38590885
yeah guess what. you can still find ways to cope with it. people do with chronic illnesses, it doesn't get better but they can handle the stress from it better
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>>38590877
I Have Dysphoria. Transition is the cope. GENUINELY what then? i cant live as ugly and clocky and that isnt my therapists fault. i needed what i needed so, what now?
>>38590885
you’re fucking dumb
>>38590930
you are BEYOND fucking dumb
>>38590888
you are also completely stupid
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>>38590930
And you can learn to read retard, trying to save othrr people from a preventable chronic illness doesn't mean I'm not dealing with it correctly, it just makes monsters like you mad because you want more people to have the chronic illness
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>>38590934
>i cant live as ugly and clocky
people live with 0 arms or legs and complain about it less than y'all. they have constant physical and mental struggles because of it and they develop HEALTHY coping mechanisms to deal with it, same with people with severe physical deformities
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>>38590948
drawing lines on your pictures and posting doomer shit is completely different to raising awareness, telling people that life is worse for trans people who can't pass and their mental anguish is worse is something 90% of trans people do even if they do pass.
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>>38590953
If people were having their arms and legs cut off by society it certainly would be better for them to complain about it publicly so it might be stopped, instead of just coping and pretending what was done to them is fine
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>>38590934
>I Have Dysphoria. Transition is the cope.
no omg this is so misguided. transition makes dysphoria better, just objectively it does, coping mechanisms do not lessen dysphoria, it's having these issues and learning to handle them in a healthy way instead of being destructive to yourself or others which dwelling on it is. this is why therapy is recommended when transitioning
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>>38590953
they should get the space they need to complain! you would cut ties with a quadriplegic if they whined abt it enough because it was “bringing you down”. all for supporting people with illnesses until they start having illnesses.
>>38590969
life is 100% worse for people who cannot pass if they have dysphoria and ESPECIALLY if you just wanna be a normal person
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>>38590978
you have no idea what coping with something is. it's acknowledging the harm and handling it healthily. every trans person INCLUDING THE ONES IN THE OP talks about how lack of trans health care effects trans people negatively and a later transition hurts trans people. they just don't act how people on this board do
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>>38589835
the way hons talk about skull proportions literally is phrenology desu
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>>38591027
>life is 100% worse for people who cannot pass if they have dysphoria and ESPECIALLY if you just wanna be a normal person
no one was arguing this, just saying to cope in healthier ways.
>they should get the space they need to complain! you would cut ties with a quadriplegic if they whined abt it enough because it was “bringing you down”. all for supporting people with illnesses until they start having illnesses.

if other quadriplegics didn't want to be friends with them because they were saying stuff that hurt them too as a result that would be a NORMAL REACTION. that is why people cut off people who won't stop dysphoria posting
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>>38591031
>hey look the government cut my arms off it sucks
>noooo you have to go to therapy don't talk about what they did to you in detail!!!
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>>38591049
no one is saying that. if you think the only way to talk about the harm is like how the extremely mentally ill people on this board do then you're extremely misguided or being purposely stupid
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>>38590674
in fairness we are hitlerites thoughbeit
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>>38589835
cis women do this exact same thing btw
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>>38589835
based passoids BTFOing the hons again
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>>38591009
complaining when you are sad isnt harming yourself or others you are conflating it with actual harm because of the same groupthink i mentioned before. I would argue that most people with truly successful transitions have an almost 90% decrease in dysphoria and you are asking me to, instead of getting what i need, delude myself as hard as possible and entirely change my static dysphoria that i have had my entire life to accommodate my permanently disfigured body so i can be happy looking like a man. is that not the entire premise of trans conversion therapy?
>>38591031
no they do not talk about this stuff or complain even a little because the moment they day people jump out of the fucking ether to tell them they’re being 4chan brained. im following them, i watch it happen
>>38591042
>literally calling them hons
i am constantly affirmed of the truth in my beliefs.
>>38591047
>you should cut off the mentally ill.
interesting
ALSO not even what i was saying. im arguing you SHOULD be allowed to mildly complain about whatever fucking thing you want. you SHOULD be allowed yo say you were fucked over genetically. you SHOULD be allowed yo complain about when you started or say something stupid about how hard it is to see the infinitely fortunate when quoting someone who has it way way way easier yhan you. you SHOULD be allowed to measure your skull if you fucking want to. NONE of these things should get you ostracized. OF COURSE im arguing you should be healthier and learn to cope but you can vent when you need to also! you dont need to be perfect! im saying dont harm the people around you with targeted malicious intent or unload infinitely on some random. that has never been my point. the fact that you have interpreted it this way only serves to highlight my intention.
>>38591049
FUCK OFF i do not care you asshole stop ruining my point!
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>>38591105
no anon. cis women do not draw lines on their face and measure their skull when they're insecure
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>>38591072
theres a difference between being sad and “talking like they do on this board” and this is the point im trying to highlight. holy fuck
>>38591097
theres a difference between venting about measurements and being hitlerite you subhuman.
>>38591116
again
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>>38589983
real
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>>38591121
cis women actually do get upset about their measurements were you dropped on your head as a baby?
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>>38591118
>have an almost 90% decrease in dysphoria
you're replying to a post this was acknowledged is
>delude myself as hard as possible and entirely change my static dysphoria that i have had my entire life to accommodate my permanently disfigured body so i can be happy looking like a man. is that not the entire premise of trans conversion therapy?
this is the exact opposite of what healthily coping is
>no they do not talk about this stuff or complain even a little because the moment they day people jump out of the fucking ether to tell them they’re being 4chan brained. im following them, i watch it happen
both of these people have tweets talking about how important youth access to trans healthcare is because of this
>NONE of these things should get you ostracized. OF COURSE im arguing you should be healthier and learn to cope
you're actually continually arguing that it's pointless
>you should cut off the mentally ill.
>interesting
if someone's mental illness is directly harming your mental health as well, like causing your dysphoria to be worse yes you should.
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>>38591141
>theres a difference between being sad and “talking like they do on this board”
the tweets literally both say acknowledging your insecurity is fine and being dysphoric is fine just don't act like a 4channer
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>>38591150
yeah I'm sure every cis woman is pulling out a tape measure and measuring their skull and screaming about it to anyone who will listen, I must've just missed it.

no almost like they don't let that consume them and when they do it's called BDD and they get medical help and develop healthy coping mechanisms
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>>38591121
have you ever met a woman
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>>38591218
you're being so disingenuous
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>>38591229
i have met women and the obsess over their appearance to an insane degree
one time my own sister (cis (with a vagina)) came up to me and asked if her belly button was ugly
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>>38591237
you're still being disingenuous this is not comparable. when it becomes debilitating like how 4chan trannies act it is classified as a mental illness and they are given coping mechanisms to handle it. trannies on here refuse these
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>>38589835
>uh you need a therapist
>"i already have one"
>uh idk uuuhhhhh get a...better therapist??
Honestly, anyone who says shit like this is a disingenuous faggot who should neck themself. I tried your thing, it didn't work, end of story. No second chances, sorry. You may have to accept that some people are simply perma-miserable because of circumstances, and that there's no amount of therapy or meditation or jesus that can change that.
And it's not really about me or people like me, is it? I think it's more to do with your own dread that there are lives out there that can't be salvaged. That your own bearable existence may not be a result of you taking action, but rather a roll of dice. You are happier than me not because you "learned coping strategies", but because you actually drew a better hand than people like me. If that causes you to feel some sort of guilt, I understand. But please don't take that and try to make ME feel guilty for simply expressing my angst, in one of the only places I have to do that.
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>>38591154
>this is the exact opposite of what healthily coping is
then what would healthily coping be mf because for me it would entail looking like a woman
>both of these people have tweets talking about how important youth access to trans healthcare is because of this
that is not the same as complaining about dysphoria in the way i described you dummy. probably because these individuals dont have dysphoria that is as bad as, for example, someone like me.
>you're actually continually arguing that it's pointless
how the fuck could you come to this conclusion retard i just want to be able to vent. i just dont want to see my sisters called 4chan trannies and told to kill themselves because they fucking vent. i just want trans women to get to be happy.
>if someone's mental illness is directly harming your mental health as well, like causing your dysphoria to be worse yes you should.
it has NEVER harmed my mental health or generated dysphoria to see a girl on my tl quote a picture of me or someone else with “i want to kill myself” all i feel is mild pity.
>>38591162
no they LITERALLY FUCKING DONT you troglodyte there is nothing inherently 4chan about checking your measurements or complaining about your height or making some hyperbolic statement about it being over because of your ribcage.
>>38591171
there you go again making my argument into a weaker one so you can actually engage with it. i hate you.
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>>38591261
a trans woman who has had to build their entire appearance from the ground up with barely any help and genetics working against her and the entire ontology of ACTUALLY BEING TRANS surrounding her might be more upset about her features than a cis woman who is doing the exact same thing. oh damn woah i never thought of it like that.
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>>38591162
>you can care about your appearance but like dont care about it too much.
>or quantify it in any way
>or use a word im not familiar with
>or care about it every day
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>>38591284
>then what would healthily coping be mf because for me it would entail looking like a woman
acknowledging your issues and finding ways to not have them cripple you or talk about them constantly and focus on positive things instead
>they don't complain about dysphoria
sorry misinterpreted and thought it was still the "im just informing people" thing
no one cares if you say you're feeling insecure and think you look like a man or something similar, the way people act on here is way different to that and brings down anyone with any similar traits to them, that's the reason people don't like it because they don't want to feel worse about themselves because of you.
>it has NEVER harmed my mental health or generated dysphoria to see a girl on my tl quote a picture of me or someone else with “i want to kill myself” all i feel is mild pity.
this would just be weird but neither of them are talking about that anyway so what relevance does this have
>no they LITERALLY FUCKING DONT you troglodyte
yeah I misremembered sorry only the second tweet explicitly says that
>there you go again making my argument into a weaker one so you can actually engage with it. i hate you.
after you argued with something I never said and I explained the difference between your argument and what they're talking about in the tweet
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>>38591340
never said any of that even slightly or implied it
>>38591317
the difference is obsessing over it the way people do here and not coping properly is unhealthy, sorry y'all can't understand that
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>>38589835
>NOOOOOOOOO LET ME BE A SEETHING INCEL
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>>38591317
>>38591284
okay so let me just explain this better for both of you not understanding the retard measurement shit

firstly, it's harmful and triggering to anyone else around you who also struggles with that

second, have you ever heard of a condition called atypical anorexia? those people diagnosed with this, objectively are not skinny, but doing this EXACT THING, obsessing over measurements and in atypical anorexia their weight CONSTANTLY only worsens their stress, even if they could stand to lose some weight the way they go about it causes them further distress and is counterproductive to themselves. that is why people don't want to encourage shitty 4chan culture
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>>38591347
>acknowledging your issues and finding ways to not have them cripple you or talk about them constantly and focus on positive things instead
i already dont do these things anywhere except for this thread and it has dont nothing but destroy my mental health. nothing has improved and nothing became easier to deal with. what i, and these people, need, is to look like a woman.
>no one cares if you say you're feeling insecure and think you look like a man or something similar, the way people act on here is way different
if this was socially true i wouldnt be here. people obviously have joined the idea of complaining and not IMMEDIATELY improving with directly targeting others
>brings down anyone with any similar traits to them
some traits are undesirable or bad for passing and it is not bad to complain about seeing them in yourself. you should not be disallowed talking about your big nose because some parasocial big nosed person MIGHT be insecure also????
>this would just be weird but neither of them are talking about that anyway so what relevance does this have
it was a good example of something i have seen branded as evil 4chan behavior “targeting someone else”
>yeah I misremembered sorry only the second tweet explicitly says that
actually, neither of them are saying that its ok to complain about not passing. they are specifically in opposition to girls who have been depressed visualizing and communicating their clocky features via “drawing lines and circles on [their] face(s)”
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>>38591451
>actually, neither of them are saying that its ok to complain about not passing. they are specifically in opposition to girls who have been depressed visualizing and communicating their clocky features via “drawing lines and circles on [their] face(s)”
picrel, reply before this explains why these are different
>if this was socially true i wouldnt be here. people obviously have joined the idea of complaining and not IMMEDIATELY improving with directly targeting others
this isn't true all
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>>38591451
>they are specifically in opposition to girls who have been depressed visualizing and communicating their clocky features via “drawing lines and circles on [their] face(s)”
>>38591419
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>>38591365
first you said the difference was how. ie it was bad to measure skulls or whatever. now. then you said it was bad to do it the way 4chan would do it which has obviously been marked by in group language. now you are saying you cant talk about it all the time which is never something i ever even argued in favor of. you have lost the plot.
if it is obsession to constantly need to pass to be happy because of dysphoria, even if im not saying anything about it or venting to anyone, then yeah i guess im not going to get it.
>>38591378
you should gender dysphoria. you should be allowed to complain about how society treats the clocky and unnatural. none of this makes you an incel. this is exactly the reason i made this thread because girls i care about get insulted like this or told to kill themselves or called male incels by people like you who are fortunate and just dont want to see the unfortunate ever. i will always want those girls yo be happy. i will always see these insults as the product of a rotten and decrepit soul.
>>38591419
anorexia and dysphoria are different. no one is ever going to be hurt more by having the knowledge of how bad their situation is and it might actually help them improve. i dont want to encourage harm or malicious intent. i want these people to be able to vent to themselves and their small audiences. i want these girls to not be insulted and ostracized.
>>38591489
>picrel
what is, LITERALLY, the next line after what you highlighted. are you being this stupid on purpose?
>this isn't true
oh shit then why am i here??? sorry i guess ill go :|
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>>38591500
none of these people are going to get better by just not doing these things or trying really hard to not think about their features. i tried this for a full year with exercise and therapy like you all suggest and guess where the fuck i am. passing is reflected biologically, referenced both physically and in every interaction you have. some of us need to actually pass to get better. if the presences of lines on someone else picture of a face is actively making someone feel fucked up then i would argue they should feel bad for delegitimizing and villainizing the way this person is visualizing the features that are materially affecting their life.
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>>38591544
>first you said the difference was how. ie it was bad to measure skulls or whatever. now. then you said it was bad to do it the way 4chan would do it which has obviously been marked by in group language
no lmao, the measurement is a symptom of the obsession, these have all been talking about the same obsession issue
>no one is ever going to be hurt more by having the knowledge of how bad their situation is and it might actually help them improve.
no actually forcing yourself to go into terrible detail on this instead of just working on what you can is directly harmful and feed into your dysphoria and for a lot of people LIKE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD stops them from improving worsens their depression and encourages them to become shitty NEETs because it's so hopeless for them because their skull is bad, I was like this and know so many who were like this because of this shitty culture they're talking about.
>oh shit then why am i here??? sorry i guess ill go :|
been both in trans communities online and irl for the past 4 years and have never once seen anything but support to anyone who was expressing it in a healthy way

you just don't want to take any responsibility for behaviours that worsen your mental health and I'm sorry but it's really sad. incels literally do this same shit on forums and are convinced their lives are destroyed because of measurements and obsess over them. it's just objectively something that harms the human brain.
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THIS THIS THIS SO MUCH THIS
fUCK HUGBOXERS
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>>38591597
youre supposed to acknowledge it you're not supposed to ignore it, you're supposed to do things you can to improve your situation and be happy while still acknowledging what is causing you distress in a healthy way. I genuinely think none of you have spoken to a mental health professional ever
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>>38590101
so?
kys
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>>38590953
>people live with 0 arms or legs and complain about it less than y'all.
because they don't have it as bad as us
we hons have it the worst out of everyone on earth
we're literal body horror abominations
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FINALLY, literally all i care about is trans women getting to be happy. i dont think we should insult these dysphoric women even when they are doing it in a less than functional way. i dont think they should be vilified, i dont think they should even be associated with this website, i dont thing we should be blaming them for not being more passable. i think we should treat them kindly, feel free to not see something when its hurting them in the same way you are free to leave her proximity if she is hurting you. i am tired of seeing my sisters defenders and called 4chan hitlers because of this. i just want women like me to be happy. i dont think its their fault that they’re sad. they can measure their skull if they want and they wont be insulted for it. their dysphoria isnt just online that is just the peak of an iceberg of irl sociality that is causing them to speak this way. i just want women like me to be happy.
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>>38591278
>I tried your thing, it didn't work, end of story. No second chances, sorry. You may have to accept that some people are simply perma-miserable because of circumstances, and that there's no amount of therapy or meditation or jesus that can change that.
THIS
>you actually drew a better hand than people like me.
THIS SO MUCH THIS
PREACH SIS
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>>38591643
>>38591419
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>>38591419
4chan culture is the best out of all the alternatives retard
people SHOULD be insecure and constantly seeking to better themselves
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>>38591664
they're not doing that though. they never do. you can give them so much advice on how to make themselves feel better and their obsessions from here ruin it for them, they refuse because "oh no my bones" they refuse to do any work to change ANYTHING
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>>38591675
>they're not doing that though. they never do.
i don't care
as long as they're insecure it's better than being secure
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>>38591681
it's worse for them and the people around them. sorry people like OP don't want people to be constantly miserable
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>>38589835
passoids are so fucking annoying
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>>38591684
people SHOULD be constantly miserable
>>38591689
THIS
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>>38591691
yeah they should never try to improve and just constantly hate themselves. great advice
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>>38591700
this but unironically
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>>38591612
i never argued that you should ignore it. Crucially im arguing that you should be healthy and productive but you are allowed to complain and not be hurt for doing so.
>>38591599
you are entirely retarded and have misconstrued my point so completely that it is borderline unrecognizable. the obsession you are talking about is the dysphoria that is present all times in these womens lives. going into detail isnt what is hurting these women its the dysphoria. these people might be neets because their dysphoria is so bad it makes being in public severely painful and its clear you dont understand what thats like! the behaviors im describing, while they can become shitty and, as you have clearly demonstrated, be misinterpreted as harmful and unproductive, arent in themselves harmful. someones dysphoria can become so bad that it ruins their life and it would not be wrong for these girls to talk about how this is fucking them up. that doesnt make them incels it makes them unfortunate. you just want a reason to tell these girls to be quiet. you want to be able to abandon them and have it be THEIR fault. illness is messy and it isnt always going to be dealt with healthily, it is unfair to demonize these people for just experiencing pain messily.
>>38591653
i literally addressed this. i know you’re too close minded to empathize with someone experiencing the other side of your abuse but at least pretend to try.
>>38591691
you are so fucking stupid. you wanna hurt these dysphoric women just as much as the people that would insult them for calling themselves a “hon” or whatever.
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>>38591729
you're so retarded. for the 50th time, the reason people don't want to be around them is to discourage unhealthy behaviour that feeds into their dysphoria and is harmful to others. end of. sorry you don't want to improve. you're trying to explain this to me as if I haven't also been through it. I just chose to actually put in the work to improve my mental health and my state of life
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>>38591729
>you wanna hurt these dysphoric women
i want to hurt everyone because i'm dysphoric
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>>38589835
good post
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>>38591729
>i never argued that you should ignore it
>>38591597
>none of these people are going to get better by just not doing these things or trying really hard to not think about their features
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>>38591675
they are under no obligation to respond to your “advice” with anything??? none of it will make their dysphoria better in the moment, most of it they have probably already tried and if not they should make an effort to do so. some of them are permanently fucked because of their bones. if you arent giving them advice out of empathy and you are expecting an entirely cordial and polite answer out of someone spiraling into the ground then your intention was never to help earnestly, you just wanted them to be quiet and you’re throwing a fit about how it didnt work.
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>>38590155
what can such therapy do for me as a trans person suffering from dysphoria? from tangible, measurable features, and from how im perceived by others due to them (so im regularly reminded and reinforced in it), etc.
im seriously curious, i thought no therapy works for gender dysphoria anyway and at best we would work on anxiety or depression, but realistically theyd waste my time because they probably would be cis and wouldnt get dysphoria anyway
anon, can it really work?
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>>38591778
this is actual retardation. I'm abandoning thread. have fun being miserable because you refuse to improve
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>>38591792
i won
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>>38591786
thanks for actually engaging!
so DBT the main thing of why it's important for dysphoria is it is essentially made to interrupt your negative thought spirals really common in dysphoria and then you can readdress it after you've calmed down and try to find ways to improve your situation. for me and example of this was "my body is bad my shoulders are too big it's over I'm going to kill myself" and Id spiral on this for 30 minutes+ and usually self harm, after coping properly with therapy I end up using every way I can to calm myself down and go "okay how can I address this" and usually it's finding a way to hide those features and thinking of things that are fem and I like about myself to feel appreciative about while still acknowledging I have those negative traits
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>>38591750
if the behavior is genuinely harmful then it is not behaviior i was describing. some of the behavior you think is “genuinely harmful to them and the people around them” is just flat out not causing harm and may even be helping them vent.
>sorry you dont want to improve
you arent even trying to see my point lol
why did i ever start talking to you?
>i chose to actually put the work in
you and the people im describing are both “putting the work in” :) the only difference is you are internally guilty for dealing with your problem and these girls sometimes vent about their stuff. IM NOT FIGHTING FOR PEOPLE PURPOSELY TRYING NOT TO IMPROVE IM FIGHTING FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE BUT JUST ARENT AS GOOD AS HIDING THEIR PAIN AS YOU. i just dont want women to be insulted and othered. is that too much to fucking ask lol
>>38591752
then you dont want everyone to hurt you are just dealing with your shit poorly. you are exactly the person im NOT trying to defend in that you are LITERALLY weaponizing your dysphoria and using it to hurt others. doesnt matter though because this other asshole will never see the difference between you and me.
>>38591773
there is no contradiction here.
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>>38591786
also
> i thought no therapy works for gender dysphoria anyway
therapy alone is an ineffective treatment, the recommended treatment is a combination of transitioning and therapy. it also greatly helps to surround yourself with accepting people who don't encourage these negative thoughts or feelings about yourself and like you for who you are
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>>38591786
exactly my point
>>38591792
>you’re refusing to improve
you will never see my point because that coudnt be further from it.
>>38591818
i hate you
>>38591835
this is. EXACTLY. what i want for all women. WE SHOULD NOT BE ARGUING LMAO. i just dont think these people should be insulted for failing to do this perfectly every single time.
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>>38591859
>doesnt matter though because this other asshole will never see the difference between you and me.
haha get owned
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>>38591881
the stuff you're arguing for not discouraging in the community is exactly the behaviour discouraged when you go to therapy. maybe they need more tact with it but it's terribly harmful the things they do and this board encourages.
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>>38591884
you know what? she’s fucking right! :) nevermind you freak your presence here alone is gonna make me abandon helping these dysphoric women the way i want to. maybe it is always bad to measure your skull.
>>38591861
you fucking win. its all these womens fault they’re upset. all dysphoria is moral failure.
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>>38591922
i dont want to encourage the harmful things. some of the things unique to this place, like the language, arent inherently harmful.
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>>38591927
>you fucking win. its all these womens fault they’re upset. all dysphoria is moral failure.

I never said that. you're being really uncharitable. they just shouldn't be making it worse for themselves like they do which this behaviour does
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>>38591942
the reason people are so wary of the language is because it basically advertises the behaviour of the community and they want to discourage that within the mainstream trans community
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>>38591956
i never wanted to encourage behavior that would make it worse. i think some peoples vents or posts are being labeled like that unfairly. not all but some.
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>>38591974
i also dont think the unhealthy should be made to feel worse about themselves
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>>38591974
the stuff mentioned in the OP is harmful and I gave personal examples and clinical examples of why that's harmful
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>>38591982
I think it can be handled with more tact than it is sometimes but trying to discourage it within the trans community is good which I see as the main point of these posts even if not in the nicest way
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>>38591984
i can see why the things you said are harmful would be. maybe im being to charitable to the women doing them because i know how it feels to be in that pain.
>>38592004
i just think its extra important to have tact and kindness in these situations and i have seen too many people reacting with actual malice or suipushing to people complaining in a less than healthy way.
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>>38591649
You're being shitty right?? Haha yeah sorry I went on a lil rant back there, cringe I know
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>>38592034
i do still feel like “measuring your skull” isnt inherently bad in a vacuum. it could even help you address stuff in like an ffs consult
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>>38592041
an FFS consult is obviously not the context anyone means for these things
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>>38592064
yeah but i still think it could help. it helped me figure out how to cut and style my hair. i understand in the context it was just harmful but idk
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>>38589835
why would anyone care about the opinion of autistic transbians who think dale from accounting wearing a wig is indistinguishable from a cis woman
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>>38589835
All I want is for a few people to confirm what I already pretty much know: that it is over. Then I can go do bong rip or two and pass out for a few hours. It's pretty simple, and if you have "something nice to say", you're not allowed it unless you can prove it in some way. Otherwise I will just assume you're blowing smoke up my ass. Oh, does it make you feel bad to say something true but mean to stranger online. Tough shit, imagine how it feels to be me bruh...
If you don't have something negative/constructive to say, don't say anything at all
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passports telling me not to be dysphoric and fills me w the same rage as millionaires telling me to donate to charity

easy for you to say and do but i have bigger problems
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>>38592039
i'm serious
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>>38591927
haha you lost
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>>38592133
if you genuinely dont want it to get better and are doing this weird wraparound mental gymnastics bullshit then i was never fighting for you
>>38592144
im saying i can understand where you’re coming from. you should be given the benefit of the doubt because you’re dysphoric and so should the people who are trying to help you, because they arent perfect emotionally hyperintelligent individuals. but, like above, if you are just being malicious for no reason and arent trying to get better then im not in your corner.
>>38592194
i just wanted trans women to be happy. i just want women like me to be happy. earlier today a trans woman laughed and told someone who was dysphoria posting to kill themselves and called them an agp 4chan incel and it made me feel terrible. she should have been called that just for being dysphoric. she never should have been called that at all. i just think we should be nicer to one another.
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>>38592401
>if you genuinely dont want it to get better and are doing this weird wraparound mental gymnastics bullshit then i was never fighting for you
cool, I never wanted you to
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>>38592401
loser
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>>38592401
>i just wanted trans women to be happy. i just want women like me to be happy
I was one you were arguing with earlier, this is why I encouraged therapy and think discouraging stuff like skull checks and stuff is good within the trans community
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>>38592401
we’re all trying to better ourselves, but cruel reality is that some things just cannot be changed, and unfortunately some of those things mark us as a man forever and keep being a constant source of dysphoria, the last thing we need is someone born better than us to tell us to just “be happy go outside bro it’ll cure ur depression”

they never had to deal with the shit we did but they think they can parade around telling us how to fix it or to just live with it, you can’t blame people for having a sour taste in their mouth or wanting to speak back
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>>38592754
>>38591835
>>38591861
I think you should check out my other posts. :) hope it helps
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>>38591141
>theres a difference between venting about measurements and being hitlerite you subhuman.
i didn't say we were phrenologists, i said in fairness we are hitlerites
trannies of this board i would estimate are at least 69% reform nazi
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>>38591171
>yeah I'm sure every cis woman is pulling out a tape measure and measuring their skull and screaming about it to anyone who will listen, I must've just missed it.
They literally would if they had my biacromial.

As it is they reserve that kind of shit for weeping over small tits, etc, also this type of shiz >>38591237

>>38591278
>I think it's more to do with your own dread that there are lives out there that can't be salvaged. That your own bearable existence may not be a result of you taking action, but rather a roll of dice.
Desuistically this is exactly on the money. All of modern trannyism (and, honestly a lot of modern medicine in general) is rooted in the idea of mankind having power over nature and taking action to correct reality. Admitting that this isn't always possible, possible only at the whims of that nature, is dangerously close to admitting that it's *never* possible, which is what they fear with a bone-deep terror. As long as a hopeless hon exists, they can't fully believe in their own tranformations.
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>>38592933
hey>>38592819
this applies to you too



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