you all talk about agp as if it's some mystical negative quality that nearly every single last trans woman has and it's starting to wear on me.i know what autogynephilia is, but i feel a little out of the loop at the same. maybe i need to lurk moar to be enlightened, but it kinda just seems like an endless cycle of hatred where trans people accuse eachother of being fetishists.that's not to say that some aren't that way. i've seen enough to know that. it's just the way this board applies that acronym to ubiquitously that i don't understand.
*so ubiquitously
**at the same timegod i've got too many typos time to pack it up
>>38608394its pretty obvious who is agp and who isnt idk why you want it repeated when even you know
>>38608394ill say it again, all that agp/hsts/blachism is just horoscopes for trannies
>>38608394you literally need to lurk moar or maybe you're not autistic enough to have studied it fullyt. agp>>38608409retard who doesn't understand the construction of autophilia outside of sexuality
it's debunked science from fifty years ago that transphobes and self-hating trans women like to use to feel better than everyone else i.e>GOD all of these agps (read, bad, unattractive, 'faketrans') aren't like me!! a true hsts (read, attractive, 'trutrans' 'the good one'
>>38608406i guess it's partially because i struggle to diagnose whether i myself am agp or trutrans or whatever. but i don't want to get into it>inb4 "ohh i bet because you're unsure at all, it's safe to assume that you are of the less desireable caste! you're agp, anon!"
>>38608457>still thinks agp is literally exactly specified as blanchard said itblanchard was a hack at best, his definition of agp was very incoherentit's progressed a lot since then, and i don't think any autist would say that blanchard's agp is really agp
>>38608451did u read that in ur honoscope too? lemme get the book of mormon real fast i got some lines for you too
>>38608457>debunkedI think a lot of people actually do get off to thinking of themselves as women and many of them troon out.Not a bad thing but it seems to be a historically consistent facet of human sexuality and shouldn't just be brushed off because stupid TERFs think it justifies discrimination.
>>38608461i wouldnt feel too bad if youre here its already a 99% chance youre agponce in a while hsts come here to passgen flex on agps and be queen bees on discord/xitter/reddit but thats about it
>>38608465go ahead and deboonk agp for me without using blanchard as a poster childi'll wait>>38608469this is really only one part of it
>>38608461>i guess it's partially because i struggle to diagnose whether i myself am agp or trutrans or whatever. but i don't want to get into itanon please go outside, this isn't healthy for you, trying to box yourself into this retarded red vs blue team thing that only exists in the heads of transphobes and isn't used nowadays in any way.>>38608464>it's progressed a lot since thenoh you mean like how every modern medical organization doesn't use it and says its bullshit? >>38608469oh thats interesting yeah we all must surely take your opinion that isn't backed at all by any modern research or like any sort of qualification or organization, this is like when rightoids say that the government is using weather machines to cause tornados
>>38608480>modern medical organizationanon do you not know how to think for yourself?next you're going to say that doctors know how to prescribe hrt LOL
>>38608478i feel no need to debunk fairy tales, should i debunk the Quran too?
>>38608465>honoscopekek
>>38608490>whataboutismi accept your concession
>>38608485lmao ok so you're one of those people, is the government putting microchips in mcdonalds? yes anon we cant trust any studies!! studies are so evil and research is all wrong always forever and making up your own medical takes based off of reading insane forum posts online is truely the patrician way to find new medical breakthroughs
>>38608493write it down in ur honoscope ull wanna rmbr this one lol
>>38608394nothingit's meaningless
>>38608504no retardstop strawmanning meit's objectively a fact that doctors don't know how to prescribe hrt so why would i trust "organizations" to know what agp is? trans people are generally understudied as well, nor do cis people have any vested interest in properly understanding us>>38608504>>38608505>>38608509samefag
>>38608513oooo the government is monitoring you oooo the evil scientists are gonna get youuuuuuuuuuu aaaaaaaaaa nooooo the birds have cameras in their eyessssssssssnewsflash, random general doctors are not the same people who run trans medical organizations and do research
>>38608513lol
>>38608513>more than one person disagrees with my retard take, must be the same person
>>38608394OP its literally just "are you gross looking"more specifically I guess you could say it's used to describe people who put the wrong kind of effort into appearing feminine. they start from the wrong place (clothes, underwear, wigs) but have obvious and embarrassing deficits in more important areas (body shape, grooming, skincare, etc). The way they approach femininity ends up highlighting the fact that they're masculine rather than hiding it.People with brainworms or a hair trigger disgust reflex will say that this is because these people are just doing it out of horniness, which is why they don't put the correct effort in and just apply skin deep changes. While it's true that many fetishists specifically fixate on clothing, it's also true that clothing is super fucking easy to get and the things that these people are lacking in are generally pretty hard to address by comparison so they're just doing whatever they can. It's easier to buy the amazon basics uniform than it is to, say, lose 150 lbs and get hair transplants and FFS. Unfortunately it's also the case that we usually just see a single snapshot of the lives of these people. Maybe some infamous gross photo of someone was just the beginning of their timeline and they actually look alright now? But that's never the point, because it's just a humiliation ritual used by shitty people to hurt someone else.this is of course divorced entirely from whatever old blanchy meant when he defined this stuff. I'm just talking about how /tttt/ uses it.
>>38608394>some mystical negative quality that nearly every single last trans woman hasit is, it's literally just way to divide any group of people you want into two groups and use it to insist you're the good ones while they're the bad ones
>>38608594But I AM the bad one
>>38608523>people who run trans medical organizations and do research...could hardly get their shit together until soc8, which itself is somewhat suboptimal still>>38608527>>38608576continued samefag
>>38608604okay so you're using it the other way, to put yourself down and other yourself, same difference and you're perpetuating terrible crab bucket shit just fucking stop it
>>38608610wow you actually really need help, it's not healthy to hurt yourself like this
>>38608394are you implying there is a lack of scientific basis, leading to completely arbitrary applications of the theory in practice? If so, youd be correct
>>38608620i'm fine, there's no need to pathologize mei've studied agp long enough to know it's a real thing and there are real indicators of it>>38608626in practice i agree it's largely misapplied
>>38608630oh did you like publish a study about it? or are you like a member of some... medical organization or perhaps you may have a medical degree? hm? oh ... you dont? and you're posting on a forum for insane people on a friday night oh i see... we should really trust you
>>38608630it's not misapplied, there is no right way to apply the phlogeston
>>38608642>having degrees gives me authority to say shit>not having a degree means i can't speak on anythingnopeno need to be so upsetalso i'd never powerlevel on a mongolian basket-weaving forum
>>38608630got his honoscope degree on 4chan lol
>>38608394it's u, ur the agp
>>38608665I'm saying that you're someone who has no education about this topic or even the general topic of pyschiatry, you aren't a pyschiatrist or a pyschologist or even just a doctor, you're literally no one and you're spewing unsubstantiated shit on 4chan, like look at yourself for a moment.
>>38608684and you can't even spell psychiatrist correctlywhy am i arguing with someone who thinks authority is fact
>>38608692i dont recognize your authority
>>38608692lmao anon please think for a moment, you actually really need to talk to someone because these thoughts are coming from somewhere
>>38608702you have exactly proven my pointto think that authority is necessary to make logical arguments is foolish>>38608704i'm mentally well and fine, thank you
I hope the insane person actually arguing in favour of this shit being real shows whoevers reading this thread that it's total bullshit.
calling me insane and then acting like you've proved something is not a good look, anon
there are three categories of trans women imo. there are AGPs, HSTSs (both sexual opportunists) and women.
cis women have agp btw
>>38608578that actually makes a lot more sense. thanks, anon.
>>38608673>>38608461as was forseen
>>38608394treat it like "woke", it means nothing to most people other than "tranny i don't like"
>>38608464>it's progressed a lot since thenwhere bitch? here? in your head?no one "researches" this nonsense other than blanchard
>>38609068>xhe doesn't know about the agp researcher circles
>>38608470> agp means you go on the internet moresee? it's meaningless drivel>>38608513> the doctors that don't study trans people don't know about trans peopleokay? the ones that do reject blanchard's dichotomy as much as they reject the rogd nonsense>>38608692>authority is factpeer-reviewed science is not based on "authority", you sound illiterate.>>38609072what are their names? go on.i am a former researcher and read primary sources, feel free to stop being a condescending cunt and make a real argument.
sexuality is fucking everything. when you realise this it all makes sense. sex invades EVERYTHING.even the heteros. they're constantly trying to get off too.
>>38609136nono anon don't tell them the retards itt can't handle it
>>38609143it's actually insane. im not even saying this as an anti agp or anything. if anyone heterosexual men are way worse. it's all sex. there is no consent. it's constant fucking and masturbation until it returns to the game of pure survival
>>38609160indeedlife is a mating ritualanything else is tertiary
It's simple. Very simple. If you're not a born androphile, there's a good chance you don't possess innate femininity and you see it from an outsider's perspective just like any man. But because you want to be the thing you desire, you necessarily have to brute force learning how to change your behavior, and this is an inconsistent and faulty process. It almost always creeps people out and comes across as insincere.
>>38609183retard take
>>38609196It's the exact truth.
>>38609166and here I am trying to jack off to women regularly to try and fight against AGP. and for what? to goon over porn like a regular cis loser?>>38609183chuck autism in the mix and it all gets very difficult luckily online communities facilitate a home for all us weirdos
>>38608394you retards need to read Lacan.... or Guattari... Hell, you should really read, simone de beauvoir, "The Second Sex" but you're all so fucking stupid that youll listen to a random tard on twitter...tranny trauma is individualized! in my case, i had a late mirror stage which was triggered into my becoming after being rapes by a cis woman at 10 years old.my mirror stage was delayed because of a natural perverse childhood event which was handled quite poorly (age 3) and of course, further sexual abuse.Not only, but I was subject the deep abuses of my fathers ego, he was right, and I was wrong, "other" futher, the other children treated 4th-5th treated me like i was an object to be mocked.
>>38609183> being a fag makes you a womanthe cope lol
