The Trump law changes have me thinking about all the documentaries I watched as a kid about gay history, where like they would go and interview like 70yo gay people and they'd always just be so fucking sad. Like 'oh yeah it's so cool that like I can just be myself now and stuff but I had to wait until I was 70 goddamn years old, and already am stuck in a straight marriage'And just like yeah that's probably what we're going back to and it fucking sucks.
>>38722459"T" (Yes that's in quotes for a good goddamn reason) should have never been part of LGB
>>38722471enjoy your camps fagboyshoulda reproduced LOL
>>38722715>they wouldn't hate gays if all the gays married womenno they would still use them being secretly gay against them, if anything that's the point of making them do that
OP, it is always possible to come out even if it's an insane thing to do in that era. You might get impoverished and stomped down on, but it could also be a worthy tradeoff for not regretting your silence. I thought it was, at least (and so did many other LGBT people from much worse decades before mine). I have PTSD still from what happened to me back then, but I feel better about myself when I look back on things.
>>38722459What law changes happened or are going to happen exactly?
>>38723053Trump federally decreed that sex (as determined by gametes at conception, humorously) is the only criterion for "man" or "woman," and that the federal government will not fund anything that says otherwise or supports trans people. This does not mean one's state couldn't recognize one's gender--mine does. but it makes a lot of shit worse and has impact on documents like passports from now on.He also started the process to boot all out trans people from the military.I'm sure there's other stuff lined up, as he has a lot of corruption to distract people from.
>>38723077>as he has a lot of corruption to distract people from.I don’t think he’ll be able to distract everyone for 4 years when he’s already making stuff worse for the average personjust keep your head up, revolution is imminent
>>38723092>castrated submissive trannies>revolution
>>38723053The anon above covered it quite well. The EO also states the following:>"Beyond the hormonal and surgical medical interventions involved, adoption of a gender identity inconsistent with an individual’s sex conflicts with a soldier’s commitment to an honorable, truthful, and disciplined lifestyle, even in one’s personal life."The usage of dehumanising, and frankly genocidal, language in an EO is worrying people a lot.
>>38723092>revolution is imminent
>>38723111I don't believe in gender identities. That shit is just a lie! Maybe he has a reason to genocide you!
>>38723042I’m more ashamed of “normal” stuff I did when repping than I am of my most ratchet “giving us a bad rep” cringe moment out.
>>38723111> conflicts with […] an honorable, truthful, and disciplined lifestyleI feel bad for a second then remember this is written by obeasts atop a mountain of McDonald’s and child sex slaves
>>38722471Further proof it's time to LBTQiA drop the G.
>>38723332drop the B too honestly they are just insecure G's
>>38723368the males are gay, the females are straight, and bi-erasure is based
>>38723077the documents stuff is honestly not very impactful. i think we should be placing our focus more on the attempts to ban healthcare and overturn our title IX discrimination protection
>>38723506maybe if youre neet or join polycule or smth lol.
>>38722471>>38722715>>38723332>>38723368This is all so helpful. Way to pull together
>>38723096no one gives a shit about us, but trump and his deportation party scared A TON of essential workes in food production from showing up at work.no one will give a shit about tranners when they are hungry and cant afford food, its all coming in next weeks unless they back off his core policy.what, theyll import all the food? well maybe, but remember about 25% or 50% (!) tariffs (that end customer will pay)? good luck american friends, i hope you have enough stockpiled to last you through chaos and wont get robbed out of it, remember to not tell anyone if you have food stockpiled
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>>38722471ahahahahahaha faggot xD
>>38723656If we need illegal immigrants to not starve the system must change.
>>38723712Ask Mao Zedong how it goes when you radically change the system immediately without figuring out who's gonna tend the farms first
>>38722459It was like this before the Trump law changes. For everyone single one of us except the few trannies living in Wokesville California we didn't have fucking Self ID, Informed consent. Insurance funded transition etc.You think Red state troons, troons on TERF Island, Troons in post Soviet shitholes like myself have been dealing with this shit for years now. We will be fine and this fucking dooming is getting on my nerves. The silver lining is that this is the time to purge all the bad actors in the movement and focus on yourself. I have FFS scheduled in six months, after that moving to a blue a state in a year then idk I'll start some podcast about troon issues.You are correct in 30 years they will be talking about people's approach to trans people the same way they talk about Reagan and the gays. Yeah it sucks.
>>38723729Theres plenty of farms not entirely staffed with illegal immigrants. Anyone poor enough to starve deserves it. The rich are to blame for hiring illegals to depress wages but they will never be imprisoned.
>>38722886Wasn't that what the whole lavender scare was? The fear that the Russians would use repressed gay men to infiltrate the US by blackmailing them.
>>38723077>>38723111So in other words, all that is going to happen is that the government will no longer give trannies free money, but you now have to pay yourself if you want to reconstruct your body, and passports will mention biological facts?That ehm... that doesn't sound too unreasonable, does it now...? I mean, I understand that it sucks for you that you have to pay for your own life, but this doesn't exactly sound like the "genocide" on trans people that people keep talking about....
>>38723792I guess we're gonna find out exactly what "plenty" means, and to who
>>38723872I'm okay with the government not paying for shit.I'm not okay with a right wing biased view of biology to being enforced into law, which then causes transgender people to receive shittier services for the taxes they pay for. If they cared about biological facts you'd put "Intersex/Null" on Post Op trannies passports for example. What benefit is there in sticking a 5'5 post op trans woman into jail with male individuals? It's just fucking bullying for the sake of rubbing it in the lefts face that they lost and their sacred cow now has to be slaughtered for the MAGAs glee.
>>38723872why should trans people who pay the same taxes and pay into the same insurance system not receive adequate medical care?do you also support repealing the mandate on coverage for other preexisting conditions or are you a hypocrite?
>>38723770Best post so far.Good luck with the podcast.
>>38723828>and you believed them
>>38724037>>38724051interesting
>>38724051I didn't know he could eat so many ramble berries
>>38723933>I'm not okay with a right wing biased view of biology to being enforced into lawI am personally completely ok with trans people existing. If a man wants to go through life as a woman, I am 100% ok with that. I'll even call him "she" if that is what he likes to be called. But none of that changes the simple fact that he IS a biological male. Calling a biological male a biological male isn't a right winged political bias m8. It's a fact.>>38723967The goverment simply cannot give free money to everyone who wishes to change their looks.What if someone want to look younger, because she can't accept becoming older? Do you want the government to give her free money for botox and other types or surgery? "That's not the same" you say? Ok, what if that person goes to a psychologist and that psychologist 'proves' that her aging looks are making het depressed and suicidal? Should the government now pay for everyone who wants botox? "Still not the same! Gender dysphoria is a proven mental issue!!" you say? Ok, well what about body integrity identity disorder, where people want to cut off their own legs? BIID is also a proven mental issue, like GD is. Should the government now pay for everyone who wishes to cut off their arms and legs...?Do you see where we are going here? You simply cannot expect the government to pay for anyone who wishes to make alterations to their body. Having a mental illness or a depression doesn't change anything about that. There are countless of proven mental illnesses and causes for depression that make people want to alter their bodies. It's unreasonable and impossible for the government to pay for all of this. It would also by highly arrogant and selfish of you to think that trans people should have a right to get their surgeries payed for, while people with other illnesses (like BIID) shouldn't.
And for your actions, the faggots have committed an unforgivable crime. All faggots shall be removed from Europe and America. No one shall love them nor forgive them. Israel shall be destroyed. Africa shall be recolonized.And everyone you love goes to hell forever and ceases to be. Along with you.All that you hate happens. And all that you hate is good. All that you hate wins. And all that you hate is loved by all.Every harm against you and your ancestors is blessed and good. All that you are is undone. And all you get is punishment.All your love dies. All that you have is taken. And all that you love kills you.
>>38724136The government doesn't pay for any healthcare. They pay for healthcare insurance. In effect they are just another private entity on the marketplace inflating prices for everyone with the expenses of additional bureaucracy.
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>>38724204Whether it's direct or indirect payment changes absolutely nothing about my point
>>38724136Biological male in what terms?Why do you define biological male by chromosomes instead of genitals, or sex hormones? Why do you laser focus on chromosomes when chromosomes do not play any fucking part in human interactions?Like i can get behind the idea that pre-op troons shouldn't be in single sex spaces. I don't agree with it, but I can understand the premise. A penis is a pretty defining sign of a biological male + safety concerns. I can also understand how someone would struggle to accept someone as female if they have a penis.Other the other hand I've never seen a fucking chromosome.I think my view that transgender people are biologically intersex as they possess features of both XX and XY individuals is the most correct or atleast the most functional term that best describes the situation. Not obsessing over chromosomes.
>>38724216I wasn't the anon u replied to. But I would only ask instead who does deserve healthcare? All you've painted here is exclusions.
>>38724224I am intersex, i have a trans gf and there is a distinct difference in how our body’s look and function, I personally don’t desire trans folks to be associated with intersex, because we have different biological needs, many including myself have degenerative diseases formed from our complex biology.Our validity as individuals is currently being called into question by the public as we are being associated with the trans movement, which i find very frightening.That being said trans women and trans men very obviously have biologically different brains that lead to dysphoria, therefore anyone who says they are truly their “biologically sex at birth” is a science denying bigot.I want equal rights for all of us but we aren’t the same, and saying we are is negligent.
>>38724352Do you agree that people with CAIS can still look male due to the effects of chromosomes?
>>38724352>I am intersex, i have a trans gf and there is a distinct difference in how our body’s look and function,I am post-op. I also have different needs to most cis-males. I don't really care about "i don't wanna be associated with you" bullshit, I don't wanna be associated with theybies either but unfortunately we don't get to pick.
>>38724216It would have if you understood that health insurance is not free money. There's no reason your argument couldn't be said for any illness, whatsoever. >The goverment simply cannot give free money to everyone who wishes to change their feelings.>What if someone wants to feel less depressed, because she can't accept becoming unhappy? Do you want the government to give her free money for antidepressants and other types or lobotimisations? "That's not the same" you say? Ok, what if that person goes to a psychologist and that psychologist 'proves' that her depression is making her helpless and suicidal? Should the government now pay for everyone who wants a lobotomy? "Still not the same! Depression is a proven mental issue!!" you say? Ok, well what about schizophrenia where people want to assure their paranoia by secluding themselves from society? Schizophrenia is also a proven mental issue, like Depression is. Should the government now pay for everyone who wishes to indulge their paranoias...?or even>The goverment simply cannot give free money to everyone who wishes to change their amputations.>What if someone wants to look less amputated, because she can't accept being disabled? Do you want the government to give her free money for prosthetics and other types of physical therapy? "That's not the same" you say? Ok, what if that person goes to a psychologist and that psychologist 'proves' that her amputation is making her depressed and feel phantom limb pain? Should the government now pay for everyone who wants a limb? "Still not the same! Phantom limb pain is a proven mental issue!!" you say? Ok, well what about body integrity identity disorder, where people want to cut off their own legs? BIID is also a proven mental issue, like phantom limb pain is. Should the government now pay for everyone who wishes to cut off their arms and legs...?
>>38724384your vagina is fake you are still a man and belong in the mens bathroom, or swinging from a lamp-post, your choice dude
>>38724451Why does it matter if my vagina is fake?It's a facsimile copy of a cis vagina. I have similar needs requiring vaginal health to cis females. Sure if I'm to be gassed then I guess I don't need said Healthcare. But desu hon I have enough money to rerout the death squad to your ghetto ass home instead.Maybe if you stopped being a /pol/ schizo going after literal eunuchs to try and make yourself seem like a big man then you'd take your schizo preconceptions out of the discussion.
>>38724384Your hostility is unnecessary, i desire you to have human rights.I understand post op trans women have special needs.But they aren’t going to have seizures from cortisol deficiency, or have osteoporosis by the age of 16.We genuinely are at higher risk at least physically.
>>38724470you are a man pretending to be a womanyou belong in a concentration camp dying painfullyi wish for your death and i hope your whole family is murdered and their blood fills the streets as a reminder to never commit the sorts of evils you are doing
>>38724482why do you want to kill their whole family? lol cute fantasy made me reply
>>38724360Yes they can, also people with CAH can look cis fem but have male body hair.People with klinefelters have bodys that appear more similar to a eunuch.There is alot of variation in appearance .
>>38724475It's not a competition of who's at higher risk or not. We have different needs to each other, some needs we have are similar. I'm sorry but it's not like being born physically a "freak" in regards to the sexual binary gives you some kind of innate rights over me who became a "freak" in regards to the sexual binary later on in life.Not to mention the current government wants to house people like me in prisons with males. I don't think you understand the consequences of a passing post op trans woman being stuck into jail with gangbangers.
>>38723332>Bacon Lettuce TomatoYou need them.
>>38724482Who's a good little chuddie uwu.
>>38724503Im dating a trans woman, i understand her struggle, i desire you all to have rights.Im simply stating that the original posters idea of labeling all transwomen as intersex is infact, an awful idea because we are not biologically the same.I never said I deserved rights and you didn’t, your projecting a sense of superiority onto me, that i simply dont believe i have over any trans person, i am not superior i don’t deserve more than you, i simply want to be acknowledged as a genetic anomaly that requires medical care to not die of convulsive seizures and electrolyte deficiency. as opposed to a dysphoric individual who made a willful decision for the betterment of their life.
>>38723318Is he the most out of shape president since Taft?
>>38724500men can never look fully female if they have a y chromosome there will always be some male traits present, you can ignore them and pretend they don't exist, but they are there
>>38724562This post make you feel smart?
>>38722471that's the point you're missing anon. their hatred of T stems from their homophobia. straight men see trannies as trying to deceive them into having sex with them. where do you think the term trap came from? it wasn't a point of pride. it was straight men warning others about you because they saw your existence as criminally homosexual. gay panic defense stems from cis men's extreme homophobia.
>>38724570Telling the truth in response to a powerful group selling tremendously hard-pushed lies is a revolutionary act.
>>38724497Probably a retarded thirdie.
>>38724549Okay we will make up a new term.Neo-Sex happy?I refuse to accept the premise that someone with a vagina , tits and estrogen as their main hormone can be called biologically male. Its like the whole discussion of the ship of theseus but for zoomers. I don't think you can call it the same ship after you've changed out everything but the skeleton.>who made a willful decision for the betterment of their life.I don't like your phrasing because it undermines being transgender as a choice. Its as much of a choice as accepting 20 years in jail to escape daily torture.
>>38724585Hey Timmy, you should probably put your phone down right now, don't you have school right now?
>>38724585Uhh sure, i mean plenty of individuals with CAIS look cis fem despite having a Y chromosome as do some look more masculine, there is always variation.So if this was your big gotcha moment I gotta say you should really try harder.
>>38724585It's reactionary. The revolutionary would universalize the lie and force every man on testosterone and keto diet and every woman 2 bowls of cabbage soup in the gulag.
>>38724601You dont die if you dont get on HRT your chances of suicide go up tremendously.but you dont objectively stop biological functionality.That was my only point, I understand its not a choice to be trans, its a choice to take HRT.And i don’t think trans women are biologically male or ever were, yet it is neurological desire not physical requirement.
>>38723077noticed how they're not just trying to deport criminal illegals, they're literally trying to raid schools for the children of immigrants. they're raiding places of employment. sickening. trump said he's floating the idea of deporting not just the criminals. this is how people end up in forced labor camps (private prisons). don't tell me never in america because they did it to the japanese back in ww2
>>38724613If even 1 CAIS looks a bit male, doesn't that itself prove that chromosomes can work to masculinize without hormones?
>>38724645>You dont die if you dont get on HRT your chances of suicide go up tremendously.Since I'm post op I will literally die.But for non post op people i guess you are correct even if i believe there are worse fates than dying.
>>38724652Is obviously fascistic but the spineless dems will sit on their hands while the country burn. The right has media control and is censoring everything except bigotry on X so i dont think things will get better, and i dont think progressives will gain ground for years if ever again unfortunately
>>38724670No you wont, many eunuchs used to outlive people with sex hormones as many diseases effecting older individuals simply don’t form in their absence.You would eventually develop osteoporosis and skin problems which is awful but not a death sentence.
>>38724660Only if they develop an endocrine system that is testosterone dominant because of the Y chromosome some do. Yet Many do not and are estrogen dominant.It varies
>>38723077How is this anything like being arrested for homosexuality? Are you really going to be 70 years old like “I had to wait until now to get my drivers license to have F, free at last free at last”?
>>38724747I for one don't like the fact that any interaction with the law will result in government ordered rape of me.What do you think is gonna happen if some cop drops a passing tranny in a jail with gangbangers? Even if it's for something minor like weed?
>>38724728you can be estrogen dominant and still look male
>>38724976And you can be Testosterone dominant and still look feminine, its incredibly uncommon but exists, so whats your point?
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>>38724810Probably nothing. In spite of what tv and movies try to portray. Get thrown in a densely jail cell there aren’t rabid niggers there are passed out drunks, dudes shitting bricks on the toilet, and prostitutes with AIDs. There’s a guard to prevent anyone from hurting each other and everyone’s kinda just chilling out in existential angst following their arrests.
>>38725008all trans women look maleall trans men look femalehormones don't matter at all
>>38724708>i argue in favor of making strangers live worse lives while telling them openly about how its not that big of a deal to me that their life is being made worse by me and my beliefs and ideas being bolstered and spread and downplayed and encouraged, because b-because i said so okay its the TRUTH
>>38722459He'd just have ended up 70 years old and single and alone anyway. At least his life was productive.
>>38723656Y'all would make it seem like Biden deported 0 people. https://www.axios.com/2025/01/15/ice-detention-expansion-biden-trump-deportation
>>38725331Well probably isn't good enough for me when the failure state is being raped by niggers.Imagine telling someone they only had a 10% chance to get raped by niggers.Fuck it's not like i can even impregnate women I'm post op, so the only reason to stick me with men is a fuck you to libs
>>38725331https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBTQ_people_in_prison>V coding
>>38723506He just issued an executive order banning all trans care for people under the age of 19, specifically saying to rescind policies based on WPATH
>>38725933He should ban it for all ages.
>>38724136I hope you know he's criminalizing homosexuality next
>>38724583Nah I'm talking about Gay Men Only Spaces and Lesbian only spaces. Straights can go suck a dick for all I care, lol.
>>38726109you self-loathing lgb's? we know. internalized homophobia isn't new. it's why we have closet cases or straight acting gays.
>>38725933https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/protecting-children-from-chemical-and-surgical-mutilation/>>38725985he should ban for all ages what some countries sell over the counter? the medications aren't the problem. transvisibility is.
>>38726141hey i look straight as a mascfag because im boring, not selfhating
>>38722471T should just be a part of the DSM. Not whatever this unfounded neopronoun GNC pride partytime thing "T" currently has going for it (and the Q+).It's just mental illness; we treat mental illnesses with whatever means we have.We don't have to "treat" sexualities.The people that do that are self-hating husstussies and bored women who want to call themselves "gay" for men.
>>38722459Don't be so black pilled. Gay marriage is here to stay and trans people will still have rights, just not to play in sports.
>>38724482
>>38727080t. man pretending to be a woman
