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• Help, advice, guidance on meds and dosages
• HRT related medical experiences and research
• Availability and pricing of medications
• Rational and scientific discussion

See following post for a pharmacy list.

Survey: https://1drv.ms/xs/s!AudRJceTA5C9c2G5lCV2Avq0kQ0
▶ Survey data: https://1drv.ms/x/s!AudRJceTA5C9cyIWo6_X14AvHyM
▶ HRTGen Data Analysis: https://1drv.ms/f/s!AudRJceTA5C9gRLLWnbpdzlIxe4r
▶ HRT Info Sheets: https://1drv.ms/f/s!AudRJceTA5C9gQnyM7wxZcBGWRzW
▶ Pill ID: https://www.drugs.com/imprints.php
▶ DrugBank: https://www.drugbank.com/
▶ Basic HRT: https://apps.carleton.edu/campus/gsc/assets/hormones_MTF.pdf
▶ HRT ranges: https://www.hemingways.org/GIDinfo/hrt_ref.htm
▶ Powers Method: https://powersfamilymedicine.com/s/Healthcare-of-the-Transgender-Patient-V60.pptx
▶ Endocrine Society Guidelines: https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/102/11/3869/4157558
▶ Transline Guidelines (with bicalutamide): https://transline.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/article_attachments/360047702053/TransLine_HRT_Guidelines_FINAL.pdf
▶ WPATH SOC: https://www.wpath.org/publications/soc
▶ TransDIY: https://www.reddit.com/r/transDIY
▶ Blood tests (US): https://www.privatemdlabs.com/, https://www.labsmd.com/
▶ Blood tests (UK, Ireland): https://www.medichecks.com/
▶ Blood tests (Canada Only): https://bloodtestscanada.com/
▶ Blood tests (Sweden): https://werlabs.se/
▶ Blood tests by mail: https://www.letsgetchecked.com/ DIY capillary blood samples. Expensive.
▶ Lab test guide: https://www.healthcare.uiowa.edu/
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▶https://www.inhousepharmacy.vu/t-shipping.aspx- Has been popular in the US. Ships from Vanuatu to some countries.
▶ euaibolitatgmaildotcom - Ships from EU to Worldwide.
▶https://unitedpharmacies-uk.md/(UK only) - Ships from HK.
▶https://unitedpharmacies.md/(US only) - Ships from HK.
▶https://alldaychemist.com/- Ships from India to some countries.
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▶https://goodstuffstore.net/- Ships from Thailand to Worldwide.
▶https://otc-online-store.com/- Ships from Russia to Worldwide.
▶https://www.weborderpharmacy.md/(US only) - Ships from India.
▶https://www.weborderpharmacy-uk.md/(UK only) - Ships from India.
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Reject modernity
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Is it worth buying Androcur 100mg tablets, given you're not supposed to take more than 12.5mg per day? You'd have to cut them up into eighths - is that doable given I have a pretty good knife for it?
Also, I know you could take 25mg every other day, because other places have said that, but given it's supposed to be hard on your liver, is that advisable? And if so, does it block androgens as effectively as taking a smaller dose daily?
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>>39264498
i just got my bloodwork done after a year on injections and my e was 420 pg/ml at trough (~ 8 days after injection) is that too high? my chart said it was on the high end of ovulation levels for cis women. i only inject 9mg a week
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>>39264623
I'd knock it down a smidge
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>>39264543
>Is it worth buying Androcur 100mg tablets, given you're not supposed to take more than 12.5mg per day?
i wouldn't because the dosage won't be evenly distributed
>is that doable given I have a pretty good knife for it?
it's best to buy 50mg tablets and cut them into fourths with a pill cutter
>Also, I know you could take 25mg every other day, because other places have said that, but given it's supposed to be hard on your liver, is that advisable?
do not take over 12.5mg as it is not considered safe due to the massive progestogenic overdosage that occurs, which can result in significant liver toxicity
>And if so, does it block androgens as effectively as taking a smaller dose daily?
12.5mg daily is effective for maximum testosterone suppression
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>>39264623
9mg is a lot Anon. 420 is high but not insanely high.
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>>39264743
>12.5mg daily is effective for maximum testosterone suppression
every 24h right? i'm a bit dumb
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>>39266174
yeah 12.5mg daily is the max dose you should take
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>>39266174
daily means to be taken every 24 hours
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Is the reason they recommend eating before taking cypro is that the body properly digests it? Also does it matter what kind of food a person eats and how much they ingest?
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>>39264498
Am I hondosed? I've been on HRT since I was 15 and still have a cup.

Post SRS
1/ml depo injection
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>>39266179
>>39266206
good good. thx for the info
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What to do if I am broke and I can't buy the meds online (they too expensive) and doctors can't help me?
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>>39267686
Planned Parenthood offers informed consent HRT in many US states, and their pricing is flexible depending on your income. You could try them, if you're fortunate enough to live in such a state.
Otherwise, you need to figure out ways to make some side money (e.g. plasma donation, an extra part-time job, selling stuff online, etc.), or just start e-begging if you truly can't do anything and hope a wealthier person takes pity on you and helps you finance HRT.
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>>39267850
I don't live in the US.
I don't have money but my problem is different actually, basically I don't have an online payment method and I can't get one, so I can't buy crypto.
There is a crypto ATM but it is far as fuck from here and I don't have any transport method either, so I can't go there even if I had the cash.
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>>39268049
where do you live? you can do hormones with like 10 dollars here
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>>39264498
hi hrtgen. hope y'all are doing good
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how long should my vials last after opening them?
i opened them in jan i'm dumb and wanna use these for the rest of the year at least
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>>39266374
just because it can upset some people's tummy
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>>39271728
wdym opening them, like you took the stopper out?
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i am DUMB sorry but:
if i take 4mg of progynova orally, swallowing them, and i change to putting them under my tongue and letting them dissolve thhere, those same 4mg of progynova sublingual would gave me higher levels?
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>>39272164
removing the cap on top and started injecting
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>>39267305
Hello?
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>>39271728
>>39272506
MCT Oil: 2 years
Castor Oil or Grapeseed Oil: 1 year
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>>39267305
>>39273191
was this blood test taken at trough level?
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>>39272430
sublingual administration causes higher peak levels in the blood that quickly dissipate. you would typically administer 1mg every 8 hours, paired with an antiandrogen
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>>39274173
omg thats a huge difference. the problem is my progynova comes in 2mg pills. so basically chop them all in half and take 3mg per day (1 every 8 hours)? i'm only taking 4mg of E because i started hrt in december, should i do this change now? i will take blood tests this week or the next one
4 mg of E sublingual is too much?
also yeah im taking 12.5mg of cipro
thank you a lot!
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>>39274218
>the problem is my progynova comes in 2mg pills
you would use a pill cutter, as shown in >>39264743
>so basically chop them all in half and take 3mg per day (1 every 8 hours)?
exactly
>should i do this change now?
that's for you to decide. if you administer 3mg a day, you would benefit because you will be saving 15 of the 2mg pills each month
>4 mg of E sublingual is too much?
the composition of prognova is EV (Estradiol Valerate), so you should administer a high dose of 3-5 mg sublingually each day, pair with the 12.5mg of cypro. with the results of your next blood tests, you may find that you need to adjust this dosage based on your estradiol levels
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>>39274173
do you need special pills to take E sublingually? or can you do it with pills intended to be swallowed
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>>39274032
so if i got them last march but i didn't start injecting until this year i would be good to inject until 2027?
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>>39274591
all brands intended for oral administration, including estrabet, estraheal, estrofem, progynova, etc., can be administered sublingually/buccally without any problems
>>39274624
if the carrier oil is MCT oil, then yes; however, you should still check for spoilage several weeks before your current vial is emptied to determine whether it needs replacing, so you don't run out. ideally, store them in a dark place at a stable temperature. some go as far as putting them in an airtight container with an oxygen absorber, given the political climate
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>>39274774
*they need
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>>39274333
What would be the best way to split up a 6mg prescribed dose (3x2mg)? I believe the pills are estradiol hemihydrate, not EV.
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>>39274827
8hrs 8hrs 8hrs
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A lot of people say that Dragon Ordnance is a scam, and that they never got their order, although others say they did get their order. Is it that they just don't send half their customers' orders? I ended up ordering from somewhere else.
Also, DashPCT is run by the same people. It makes me worry that the estrogen I already ordered from DashPCT is also just not going to come in. How long should I wait before assuming I need to buy from somewhere else?
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>>39274827
see the image in my post: >>39264743
>What would be the best way to split up a 6mg prescribed dose (3x2mg)?
use the pill cutter to split a 2mg pill into two 1mg pieces. repeat this again. administer three 1mg pieces per day, saving one 1mg piece from the current day for the next day's dose. the next day, split a 2mg pill. repeat this cycle
>I believe the pills are estradiol hemihydrate, not EV
progynova active ingredient is EV (see the box)
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>>39275079
very helpful nona that oher girl asking about estradiol hemihydrate is not me (who asked about progynova) so maybe shes talking about another type of pills she were prescribed that werent progynova. if it was progynova and shes just confused, yes, you can take progynova sublingual ^^
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>>39275053
>Is it that they just don't send half their customers' orders?
their packaging is not discreet, making it easier for customs to open your package, remove an item, and then reseal it
>How long should I wait before assuming I need to buy from somewhere else?
contact them via email or their Telegram channel after two weeks if your order has not been shipped, or after 30 days if your order has been shipped but not delivered
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>>39274774
>given the political climate
i only have 2 vials which might last me 2 years
i'm worried about ordering more
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what if i took 2mg orally and 2mg sublingual? could it work?
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>>39276246
>what if i took 2mg orally and 2mg sublingual?
oral administration would lead to more stable levels compared to sublingual administration, as sublingual administration results in an initial peak that is higher. taking 2mg sublingually at once is unnecessary, as estradiol levels will decrease at the same rate whether 1mg or 2mg is taken sublingually
>could it work?
yes, but it would be a waste
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im on diy taking 4mg of estradiol sublingual and 12.5mg cyproterone acetate daily. This has probably completely nuked my T and i would like to decrease my dosage to something more in line with cis women for various reasons. Would it be ok to just take 12.5 cyproterone acetate every other day instead of chopping it again into 6.25mg, or would that not be a good idea?
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i bought undecylate around a month ago, and the seller sent a reship of cypionate to me for some reason after i'd already received my undecylate and used it. i'm guessing i should keep using the undecylate since it's opened, and i guess i can switch over to the cypionate for a while in the future when i eventually run out of undecylate?
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>>39264498
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>>39276704
CPA has a half-life of about 1.5 to 2 days when taken at a dose of 12.5mg, making it likely viable to take it every two days. it is recommended to take 12.5mg each day, as it is effective for maximizing testosterone suppression
>>39276998
yes, continue to use the EUn until it runs out. when you switch to EC, you will need to administer it more regularly
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>>39278036
do you know if i'd need to do another loading dose after eventually getting to the end of the EC and going back on EUn? it'll be a really long time before that point, but i know i had to do an 80mg loading dose when starting, and then around 40mg every 28 days after. i'd imagine that's good enough for t suppression. i'll look more into EC dosage when i eventually get low on EUn.
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>>39278327
that is likely viable because EUn is a very long-acting injectable estradiol ester
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How feasible is it to fatmaxx and then get breasts and a nice ass via fat transfer procedures, and take lower amounts of hormones just for the skin and hair benefits?
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this is embarrassing to admit but i have a mild peanut allergy, is there anyway to get progesterone capsules that aren’t made with peanut oil? would i just need to ask my pharmacy tech ?
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>>39278664
you could ask your pharmacy, although it is unlikely they will have P4 capsules compounded with a different oil. perhaps you might consider obtaining a prescription for a transdermal P4 instead
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My E2 is 0.3nmol/l so 300pmol/l and T is 0.8nmol/l so 800pmol/l. I take 4mg EEn injection every 7 days.
Do I just have to up my dose? Like try 5mg or even 6mg to get target levels?
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>>39280811
yes
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What was that weird drug to help with body fat distribution that was originally designed for diabetes patients again?
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>>39286413
pioglitazone?
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After I pee I can squeeze out some distinctly white liquid out of my dick, it's not cum as far as i can tell and my cum is transparent when i do masturbate as far as I can tell and it doesn't only happen after I masturbate so it makes me think it's not related to that, and my T isn't high so that makes me think it's not like due to that too, but I don't even know what it could be at this point, it's not any kind of STD because I don't have sex and I also have no symptoms of anything else whatsoever ever so I'm not sure why this is happening
Any help? Is it probably cancer?
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>>39287530
it sounds like prostatic fluid is being released due to recent sexual arousal
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>>39287796
It happens regardless if I was or wasn't sexually aroused recently (like even if I wasn't sexually aroused once within days it still happens)
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>>39287861
it's best to book an appointment with your GP or PCP, explain what you've mentioned here, and request a urine test so they can more accurately determine the appropriate course of action
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>>39287903
It's over
Thank you for the help...I guess I'll do that...
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>>39264498
bump
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bump bc i'm going to sleep and i don't know if anyone will bump during that time
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>>39264498
hope this isn't the wrong place to ask but it is related.
Would anyone know about diy orchi and where I can learn about it?
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>>39264498
bumpity bump bump
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>>39290954
lol. some tranny from here did it some years ago, you would need to search it on the archives sites (like archiveofsins)
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I've been trying to buy from United Pharmacies. You have to pay the first time with a bank transfer. They give you their bank information so you can wire the money, which seems fine at first.
But I've been trying to pay either through Wise, or through an international transfer through my bank (with PNC Bank), in both cases turning USD to HKD. Wise says they don't serve that recipient, and when I try the PNC transfer, it says that the service isn't available or that the information given was bad.
I've emailed their customer service, though, and they simply responded that the bank information is correct, and that I might try Revolut if the other options fail.
Has anyone else had trouble paying them? I can't seem to do so either way.
I may just need to cancel and buy from somewhere else, and maybe paying with crypto would be simpler.
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>>39293171
I bought from them for the first time two weeks ago using BTC on cashapp
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>>39293195
Oh, I didn't remember if you could also pay with crypto. I guess I'll ask them if they can revise my order to use crypto, because I can't get the bank transfer to work at all. Thanks for the tip.
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>>39293239
I had the same issue with bank transfers, crypto was smooth as could be. Good luck <3
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My doctor is having me test 2 days after injection on a 5-day cycle. I tested at 500pg/mol. I wasn't too concerned with this since really I should be looking for 200-300 at trough, right?
Am I insane? She's worried about my risk of thrombosis, but she's not testing right.
What do I do? Ask her to test at trough?? I've always seen test at trough, always test at trough. Now she's comparing 2 days post injection to my trough sublingual levels.
Of course it's going to be high!!! She won't listen to me asking to test at trough though.
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>>39264498
Just did an injection, but like 30 minutes later I realised I put 0.09 ml (4.5 mg) instead of 0.16, so i reused the syringe to add 0.09 ml since I had no other syringe. Is it gonna cause problems or not ? I reclosed it right after using it the first time.
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>>39294906
they dull fast and you can inject bacteria into your leg. you'll probably be fine in this case though.
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>>39294984
Thanks. Does it make a difference for bacteria if I used it on my belly and not leg ?
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Started taking 2 mg E this past Thursday. Daily sublingual with no AA. I have a kit for testing and freezing sperm coming on Wednesday. I doubt it has but is there any chance the E has had much affect on my fertility after taking it for just a few days? Should I skip my dose the next couple days to be safe?
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>>39295391
2mg 1/day is a hon dose so you would have plenty of sperm even if you were 5 months in
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>>39293171

They don't accept Wise, you'll probably need to do what I did and request a wire in person. This is how it went today

>order cyperatone acetate from united pharmacies
>they need me to wire the money to hong kong
>go to bank and ask for a wire
>$50 fee, fuck my stupid wagie boymoder life
>they fill in the details for me, but have difficulties because they want an address but united pharmacies didn't provide one on the invoice
>teller transfers me to another worker
>they are a visibly transfeminine person with heavy makeup and pronouns on their nametag
>"What kind of medicine are you buying?"
>I'd rather not say
>"I hope you're not buying an endangered animal or anything anon"
>No I hope not, they might eat all my pills
>this statement only makes them more curious, they look at me an narrow their eyes
>I'm a little guy wearing a flatcap and jean jacket like some kind of twink dockworker
>does she know?
>compliment them on their eyeliner and look at their fingernails before smiling and saying goodbye

I wonder if they'll put two and to together if I show up to the branch as a woman someday
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>>39296909
10/10 greentext
i laughed irl
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>>39296909
But I tried doing the bank transfer, too. Although, I refused to pay the $50 fee. You could either pay $50 to transfer USD to the bank, or 5 USD to send the equivalent in HKD. The USD to HKD transfer failed on the app, on the website, and in person. Maybe the $50 transfer would have worked, but I don't currently have that. I hope I can just send Bitcoin like the other anon recommended. Thanks for telling your story, sounds funny. I'm lucky they didn't ask me why I was ordering from a pharmacy when I went to the bank.
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>>39297011
Yeah you might just have to find another seller who takes Wise. There's a few listed on HrtCafe who might sell the drug you need. Sucks not having enough money, I already work a 40 hour week and I can barely make rent after buying DIY
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>>39295867
I figured. I know it’s a hon dose but I wanted to start off with that to ease my body into it. Also Dr Powers starts his patients with that iirc
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bumppp
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>>39297952
>Also Dr Powers starts his patients with that iirc
that's for injections :\
it's also what he recommends for younger patients, not full adults.
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>>39293076
I see. thank you anon
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does anyone know how long you're supposed to let the progesterone suppositories dissolve before you can go take a dump? i just started and wasn't sure whether it was completely gone 3 hours in, but i think i just shot out the remainder of the dissolved prog. is it done being absorbed at that point, or do i need to leave it for longer in the future? i'll try only taking it right before i go to bed in the future so that i don't have this issue, but i'd like to know in case i do end up taking it and not going to sleep right then
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>>39299879
Oh really? That’s just what I thought I saw from skimming through his PowerPoint. What does he recommend for adults? I mean I wanted to take things slow at first either way so I’m not expecting any rapid changes with this dosage
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>>39264498
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I'm fucking stupid, am I getting hondosed by my endo? I'm on EV 5mg every 6 days (injection day -> 5 days -> injection day). My levels are about 170 pg/ml on the morning of injection day, I don't know how high are they in peak, but before I was injecting every 5 days and had like 240 pg/ml on the morning day of injection and she told me that although this level alone is not bad, I'm probably having too high peak after injection, so I should switch to every 6 days. I've been doing it every 6 days for half a year, was this a bad idea, or are levels like that just fine???
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>>39294906
thats the reason they print "single use only" on it. most likely you are gonna be fine, I would be more concerned about contamination of the vial with your blood.
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We need a new and updated OP

>>39264543
Bicalutamide has a very long half life so you can even dose 50mg every 4 days
Do get liver function tests within a few weeks of starting, since by the time you notice symptoms of liver failure it'll be too late; the good news is that the hepatotoxicity is not dose dependent, so if you're fine, you're fine

>>39267305
If it's at trough, it's fine. Maybe try boofing progesterone.

>>39275053
They are fine, and will reship as the other anon says. DashPCT is also fine. Only thing I would worry about is that they can be slightly overpriced.

>>39276704
Your levels are already in line with cis women. CPA does not prevent your adrenals from producing T, just like in cis women.

>>39278506
Fat transfer should be a non-starter. Gaining weight while on HRT would be preferable, and you can't really microdose estrogen.

>>39286413
>>39286950
PPARy agonists are no toy to play around with.

>>39290954
Bad idea.

>>39300257
It should be fine after an hour or two.

>>39302129
Both levels are fine, just ensure your T is adequately suppressed (<50ng/dL)
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>>39304904
>Bicalutamide has a very long half life so you can even dose 50mg every 4 days
>Do get liver function tests within a few weeks of starting, since by the time you notice symptoms of liver failure it'll be too late; the good news is that the hepatotoxicity is not dose dependent, so if you're fine, you're fine
Thanks for the tip, but Androcur is cyproterone acetate, not bicalutamide. Is taking bicalutamide 50mg every 4 days actually advisable and effective? I had been trying to order CPA because it was cheaper, but if bicalutamide could spaced out like that, it would be just as economical.
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Is the tip for breast stagnation in the gen's op image actually oral or is it supposed to be sublingual because I couldn't imagine people actually recommending oral estrogens
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>>39305627
Oh I got it mixed up
Bicalutamide and CPA are comparable, either is fine
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why do you guys even do antiandrogens? why not just do mono?
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>>39306773
my insurance won't cover any form of e besides pills, but i can get pills+bica for next to nothing. also not sure it would even work as well for me, my T is already hard enough to suppress *with* an aa.
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>>39307008
i guess this is one of the advantages of being a part of diy gang
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I'm buying DIY hormones, even though I could do an informed consent telehealth appointment with Planned Parenthood if I really wanted to, because they only have spiro and not bica or cypro, and being that I'm already skinny and have had problems with brain fog and low blood pressure, spiro probably would just make it worse. But, that's also a waste of an informed consent clinic... And I could probably have blood tests covered by my parents' insurance... Am I being stupid?
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>>39307161
>And I could probably have blood tests covered by my parents' insurance
maybe just use the clinic for that and not for the hormones themselves. diy is just straight up better than what you'll get from legit sources
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>>39264498
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>>39304904
>bad idea
why? if someone understood the procedure could they not do it just fine?
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>>39306773
antiandrogens and estrogen pills are otc and cheap in my country
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>>39293195
Hey, silly question, but I'm using cash app now. The seller wants a particular amount of Bitcoin, but this app only lets you buy it in terms of USD, using a slightly different exchange rate than the seller, and taking a 2.25% fee. Is there a way I can buy and immediately send an exact amount of Bitcoin to the seller? If so, what's the way that would incur the fewest fees?
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>>39309788
Honestly I'm not totally sure. I already had a few hundred in BTC and send the dollar ammount they asked for.

I would maybe buy $10 more than you need, send it, and sell the extra when you're done
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>>39310016
Oh, that's also a good point. Given I'm going to be using Bitcoin to buy stuff online regularly, I should just keep the extra Bitcoin for next time anyway. Thanks for the advice on selling the extra that I don't need, too, though.
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>>39310113
(and by stuff I mean HRT lol)
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>>39310113
Yeah same. I don't use it terribly often but when I do it's good to have around. And if I keep a bit in there it usually grows by the time I need it
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Hitting almost 3 years. Switched to Eun 9 months ago, 40mg/28 days but neglected blood work way since then

Results at trough for last month are: (Have to skip a day since labs closed on Sunday)

E2 474.6pg/ml
T 0.19ng/ml
LH <0.1 miu/ml
FSH <0.3 miu/ml

Switching to 32mg/28 days from now. I was pretty horny last month and suspected high T levels.
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>>39311532
Can someone explain what the significance of those levels are? What's the reasoning of lowering to 32mg? I'm doing EUn 40mg/28 days as well and don't get bloodwork. It seems like I can reasonably tell suppression and good enough levels based on ejaculate.
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>>39313728
9 months on Eun is way more than enough time for my levels to stabilize with this ester. It's just my long overdue semi-annual report but my speculation is I can afford to lower my dosage by 20% of that and have my levels around 300-400pg/ml while still suppressing T (when I first started 270pg/ml is enough to suppress it to <15ng/dl.

In other words, I can also afford to save E in the long run by having some left in the vial with less amount to inject.

>I'm doing EUn 40mg/28 days as well and don't get bloodwork.
I think for Eun it's paramount you get it done since it's not well studied (im a hypocrite i know). I wouldn't say I recommend people switch to Eun unless they got a feel for what they experience on EV or Enn first. Did you start on Eun or what? 40mg/28 days is what I read is the standard though if you can't afford blood tests. I'm pretty fortunate that getting labs are easy in my country to calm my little paranoia that comes up time to time.
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>>39313914
I could probably get away with 28mg/28 days too actually now that I think about it but just to be sure I'll probably do 32mg until my next bloodwork by September. Could've saved a little more E in the vial by doing bloodwork earlier on schedule but whatever.
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>>39313914
I started with transdermal and then moved on to EUn. I didn't really think about the fact that lowering your dosage just directly saves you money on vials. I mean, with EUn it lasts so long that I just kind of didn't even think about it lol. Maybe at some point in the future I'll be able to get blood tests and lower the dosage as well.
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>>39314595
I've seen pictures of people's hands changing after years on HRT. I understand it's probably a subtle change that takes a very long time, but how long does it take for such changes to be seen? Most timelines don't say.
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When I was on hrt my hair was curlier and generally a lot easier to work with. I don't want to go fully onto hrt again but could I apply estrogen gel to my scalp to get similar results?
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Do you do IM or SubQ injections? Which site do you inject?
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i stopped taking progesterone after it made me severely horny, my balls felt like they were lowering and my hair was thinning, but my boobs were growing a lot. am i a victim of the dht conversion thing? should i ask my doctor to prescribe me dutasteride? i had to stop taking prog because of the negative T like symptoms.
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Question about MCT oil allergic reactions. I can see a doctor if this continues, but looking to see if anyone has experienced similar.
I've been injecting EEn subq for about 5 months now. It sometimes leaves a red bump, but nothing to a degree that bothered me. Recently I've developed some kind of itch/dermatitis basically all over my body, and wondered if the MCT oil the EEn is in could be a cause of this even though I have already been on it for a while. I really can't think of anything else that might have triggered this.
I'm not keen on stopping HRT to test this theory out, so has anyone had similar experiences and solved them?
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Does your penis shrink on E?
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Ive got a jewfro now (havent started estrogen but will shortly) will estrogen give more weight to my hair? (yes i want bangs shut up)
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I ordered something illegal from purple panda labs but the label just says creatine. Doesn't really make sense to brand it as ILLEGAL COMPOUND when mailing it across sees, right? Or did they actually send my ass creatine?
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>>39274049
it was 8 days after injection and 6 days until the next injection
>>39304904
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hold the phone folks how expensive is it for you diy types? asking for a friend of course.
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>>39318913
when I was DIYing it was about 100$ a month from inhousepharmacy
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>>39264498
I'm on monotherapy with pills (7mgs) and this was taken 10hrs after my last dose of 3mgs (I do 2mg, 2mg, 3mg, at 12, 6, and 12)
if my levels are good is there any reason to stop? my doctor refuses to test my SHBG since she said it doesn't do anything so I'm a bit worried, but things dont look bad
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>>39318913
I've ordered 50x50mg pills of cypro for about $63 ($83 with shipping), and given you need 12.5mg per day, that's 200 days' worth for $83. I've also ordered 56 2mg pills for like $35 when including shipping (and since I'm pre HRT, I'll do 2mg daily for the first few months when I get it). So a couple months worth is about $100.
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>>39319036
mmm fellow kaiser user
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>>39319013
>>39319045
interesting thats not actually that bad.
thanks.
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>>39314602
MtF or FtM?
>>39315079
no
>>39315088
IM if you have a low BMI
SubQ if you have a healthy or overweight BMI
injectioin site either thigh or belly
>>39316127
you wouldn't know unless you had a DHT blood test before and during administering progesterone
>should i ask my doctor to prescribe me dutasteride?
ideally, you should have a blood test first to determine your baseline
>>39316228
you should consider trying a different carrier oil, such as grapeseed oil or castor oil. or a solution without benzyl benzoate
>>39316933
as long as you avoid erections
>>39318757
they label it creatine on purpose in case of inspection
you most likely got what you paid for
>>39318895
yes, you are hondosed
>6 days until the next injection
your estradiol would be considered too low by your next injection
>>39318913
injections, transdermal (gel or patches), or oral route (ordered from cheapest). which would your friend prefer?
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can someone direct me to a DIY guide? need it in case trump bans hrt
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>>39319073

>>39317090
>give more weight to my hair
meaning?
>>39319036
>if my levels are good is there any reason to stop?
your regimen is fine
>my doctor refuses to test my SHBG since she said it doesn't do anything
your doctor is a dumb bitch
>>39319081
diyhrt.info
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>>39267305
>>39319046
did you get your legal sex changed to make the averages or "normal ranges" appear normal
mine always tell me my T is highly dangerously low for a big alpha male like myself
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>>39319111
Regimen fine, doctor a dumb bitch
ty
wish my dumbass insurance would cover anything that wasn't directed by my doc
I'll try and get a new one
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>>39319073
injections seem like less upkeep which is interesting. good to know theyre also the cheapest option. figured it may be the other way around.
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>>39319073
Thanks bud.
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>>39319111
thanks
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>>39264498
I'm considering getting an orchi (have a consultation lined up and all)

I am wondering if perhaps I don't need it
I've been on hrt for a few years, I want to reduce liver damage from spiro and my endo said that orchi would help my transition in general and nuking T levels more.

basically, should I get the orchiectomy or not? I have black veins on my testes so I kinda felt like I should at this point. I don't plan on having kids and have been on hrt for like 8 years
was also wondering if the orchi will make it so I can't get hard again, that doesn't seem so good but shrinkage is fine with me since I like the aesthetic.
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>>39319111

>>39319124
>I'll try and get a new one
good luck! careful that you don't get screwed over even more
>>39319208
cost for a year supply would depend on the ester, dose, and frequency. the yearly cost excluding shipping, if you buy from the most popular homebrewer, following the recommended frequency and dose, would be as follows: estradiol cypionate around $52, estradiol enanthate around $48.75, estradiol undecylate around $58.50, and estradiol valerate around $47.91
>>39319231
>>39319275
np
>>39319294
>I want to reduce liver damage from spiro
consider administering by injections
>my endo said that orchi would help my transition in general and nuking T levels more
your endo is correct, as it will significantly reduce androgenic activity
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>>39319362
I don't think injections are an option for me? I haven't asked for that specifically but I remember asking to switch to a diff type of hrt and my endo basically said that I was on the right track already. I'll look into it though. my insurance covers my hrt rn so I'm trying to not mess with that too much. if I get the orchi obviously I wouldn't need the T blockers anymore, don't wanna take spiro forever.

I think I'm going to go forward with the orchiectomy because I am for sure about transitioning, I just am feeling some nervousness about it i suppose and wondering what my best options are. need to research a bit more about sexual function after orchi to see if it causes full ED or just partial.
thanks for the advice
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>>39319412
I didn't sage thread I just had the name from another thread, my bad. :3
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>>39319412
if you don't want to take spiro forever, as i mentioned, you should consider injections, since you can do monotherapy without the need of an anti-androgen
>need to research a bit more about sexual function after orchi to see if it causes full ED or just partial
ultimately, an eating disorder comes down to your mental health after the procedure. you will still be able to have erections and ejaculate seminal fluid, which won't contain semen
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>>39319556
>correcting myself, lol:
>*sperm, not semen
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>>39319556
I didn't mean ED as in eating disorder i meant erectile dysfunction. can i get hard after orchi?
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>>39319633
>can i get hard after orchi?
yes. it's just blood flow to the penis triggered by sexual stimulation
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>>39319655
Okay that helps a lot thanks.
theres this trans pornstar I know of whos penis shrank a lot after orchi to the point where it was unusable basically, but I think they probably just stopped jacking off to get it to atrophy to that state. thanks for advice again
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>>39319677
i guess erectile dysfunction can come down to your mental health as well, due to a chemical imbalance in the brain. that was my mistake regarding what you mean; my brain is clouded. i should get some sleep now
>I think they probably just stopped jacking off to get it to atrophy to that state
yes, there's a saying: "use it or lose it"
>thanks for advice again
np
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>>39319722
goodnight friend
bless <3
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hihi! does anyone have info about taking acetyl hexapeptide-38 for breast/hip fat growth? might be snake oil, but thought I’d try it so I bought an 8g vial. how do you take it? there isnt consistent info online about it, seems like you just mix with a lotion but I wasnt sure that would actually reach deep enough into the skin.
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>>39319073
ok. im going to go up from 1ml to 1.5.
im
>>39318895

>>39319114
IDK I think it's normal though. The estrogen chart says tranny levels scale for me
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>>39319073
>MtF or FtM?
I'm MtF, so I'm most interested in that. Is the timeline different for MtF vs FtM transition?
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>>39322248
if you have to ask you shouldn't be using it
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>>39324057
>picrel
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>>39324161
I don't see anything about hands there, though, which is what I asked about.
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>>39324182
>redistribution of body fat
>decrease in muscle mass
>softening of skin
m'kay
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>>39324205
Oh, I guess I'm stupid, thanks
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>>39324098
well this is really fucking rude i was just looking for a second opinion. that also makes no sense. how would i learn in the first place if i never seek out information about it???
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>>39264498
why not just be gay
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>>39322248
>>39325200
>does anyone have info about taking acetyl hexapeptide-38 for breast/hip fat growth?
no studies, so be warned, lol
>how do you take it?
it's soluble in water, so I assume it can be used in a topical solution applied to areas of your skin
>>39325273
take your oestrogen
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>>39325506
will taking estrogen fuck me up? I think I want a fatter, girly ass because for some reason I get turned on when I look like a girl. I prefer to be with a women but so far no girl wants to be with me, and tranny girls dont seem to be a possibility unless I go ladyboy hunting in Thailand.
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Spendig money on placebo and not just acidmaxxing
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>>39325570
>will taking estrogen fuck me up? I think I want a fatter, girly ass
female fat redistribution, one of the effects of taking estrogen, should do nicely with that ass and figure
>I get turned on when I look like a girl
that is common with transfems
>I prefer to be with a women but so far no girl wants to be with me
you can still be with a woman no matter how you identify
>tranny girls dont seem to be a possibility unless I go ladyboy hunting in Thailand
there are trans girls who are attractive and have good personalities outside of thailand
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>>39322248
reddit says it can be mixed with straight hyaluronic acid. i don't know at what concentration, though i guess a lot of the stuff i saw was at like 2% of something idk. also no idea on what level of permanency or even how effective it is in general, since it mostly seems to be used in anti aging where the people already had more fat in those areas in the past.
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>>39325669
>female fat redistribution, one of the effects of taking estrogen, should do nicely with that ass and figure
I just hope theres no longterm, irreversible effects
>I get turned on when I look like a girl
Yeah, but isnt this just being fucked in the head? Like this isnt normal, we shouldn't be doing this. Maybe it's a lack of being loved/touched. I had decent parents but no relationship and im in my late 20s
>you can still be with a woman no matter how you identify
Hey now I dont wanna be with just any woman.
>there are trans girls who are attractive and have good personalities outside of thailand
where do I find those, im in San Francisco of all places and I havent seen any
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>>39325775
>irreversible effects
breast development
>isnt this just being fucked in the head?
it's typically your way of coping right now, but when you transition, those thoughts tend to go away
>where do I find those, im in San Francisco of all places and I havent seen any
dating apps
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>>39325804
>typically your way of coping right now
but isnt transitioning a cope, we weren't transitioning before.
>dating apps
I tried tinder. Maybe I should use better pics, idk if feminine ones would work, but I got a couple of matches I thought looked decent, but I think theyre crazy. One super liked me and we exchanged instagram, she talked all sexy to me like "good morning baby boy" and I was trying to setup an ice cream date at night with her and then we talked about where we'd go. I suggested we could get ice cream and head to her place, and then she was like "oh no Im not interested in hooking up I just talk sexy, are you trying to hook up? your being unclear" I was just blown away and said "I want to get ice cream and then head to your place to blow your back out, if your not interested then well go our separate ways" Then she blocked me.

The other one was too far, idk I dont trust any females or trans anymore. They just block my ass. Guess im just ugly idk.

How is dating working for people anyways? I know its 4chan but someone's gotta have some success right?
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>>39328463
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>>39264498
is it possible to cycle on/off of hrt for about a week or two at a time to prevent ED?

I don't use my dick very often (1x a week) but im having trouble staying hard during sex and it's making it a bit too difficult soemtimes, would it be possible to cycle on/off e for a but of a time to help? or should I invest in something like T-gel? any help is appreciated !!!
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data point for Open Gate Labs, they're legit. ordered two vials of EEn in the US and they came within a week or so.
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>>39329990
mubp
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>>39328463
>>39329990
>>39332758
dump
>>39330729
>is it possible to cycle on/off of hrt for about a week or two at a time to prevent ED?
no, your levels will not stabilize within that time frame
>>39331359
nice! enjoy your troonjuice
>>39333900
was this blood test take at trough?
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>>39333986
Yeah I took it the night before I was meant to inject - EEn injections taken 6mg/7days.

It was fine like this for the first few months. Went from starting on 4mg up to 6mg to get my E level above 200 on trough for monotherapy.
Highest I ever got before this was 400. Didn’t check my levels in a few months tho :/
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>>39334094
your reported oestradiol result is very high for only administering 6mg/7days. i noticed that the report is in a similar format to a randox health report. did you get your blood drawn at a clinic or use an at-home finger-prick test kit? what dose were you administering when your oestradiol results were around 400?
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>>39333986
>no, your levels will not stabilize within that time frame
would a month work? or would i have to look into other alternatives?
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>>39334613
yes, but you will have other effects to consider, such as the return of body and facial hair, as well as an increase in oiliness. there are no other alternatives to consider. what you're experiencing with your libido is one of the effects of taking estrogen, and it's important to accept that
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>>39334172
Yeah it was from a randox at home kit. I was also very dehydrated from a hangover when I did it. Which is the reason I was guessing my blood looked kinda thick but I’m guessing that’s because of the estrogen levels now.
I did something dumb a while back too where I missed my injections due to being out of the country for 2 weeks at Christmas and being too afraid to bring my stuff with me. When I came back I used the simulator thingy online to estimate the dose I’d probably need to get back to level. I legit couldn’t tell you what I injected but I’m guessing this is where the fuck up actually happened.
In the meantime I had a rough 3 months which is why I’m only getting a test now.
Say my levels have been fucked now for months, how might I fix this and have I possibly done myself any damage or get anything checked? Also should I do anything like thin my blood naturally with foods like tumeric and ginger etc or anything like that?
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>>39334895
>Say my levels have been fucked now for months, how might I fix this and have I possibly done myself any damage or get anything checked?
you need to be consistent with your dose and frequency. basically, monitoring changes in mood, energy, or the return of male characteristics will give you an idea of whether you're at a stage in your transition where you shouldn't be
>Also should I do anything like thin my blood naturally with foods like tumeric and ginger etc or anything like that?
you mentioned that you've been very dehydrated; address that first. if you believe your blood is thicker than it should be, you should speak to your GP about it, as it's not something you should attempt to resolve without the necessary blood panels, which are not available through randox health, and doing so may introduce serious health issues down the line
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>>39335085
It's not like I'm always dehydrated and I just recently had a normal blood test done and it returned normal and I feel fine so I'm kinda worried that if I drop off E for too long I'm going to feel terrible. But how is there a way I can have my levels go down slowly and stabilise. I've been on 6mg for ~3 months with consistent dosing done consistently at the same time of day per week, like it's just part of my schedule now.
Can I just put my dose down to like 2mg for a while and then after a couple of weeks check my levels again and then go back up or should I just stop taking E completely for a few weeks, test again and then kinda like, start over I guess?

I'm nearly 1 year in and I have no idea what I'm doing still, I'm a failure sorry :(
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Are injections alone enough to suppress t? I've been inconsistent with injections so I've had some hair growth and smell changes but I don't want to go back on AAs I've been doing injections for years. Is upping the dose and being more consistent enough to get it back under control?

How well does EUN work? The once a month injectable ester?
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>>39335085
I'm kinda in a similar spot to >>39335285 in that my levels seem way too high for my dosage (5mg EV/5 days) I got tested at trough (590 pg/ml) and peak (1050 pg/ml) both at a lab recently. I'm lowering my dose to 4mg but I suspect that will still be too high as my current dose is already a reduction from 10mg/7days and my levels didn't change much. I know there's some variation with how people respond to medications but my levels just seem too far out of range to be normal at my dosage.
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>>39335085
So ehm, I realised my new multivitamin has 150ug biotin in it, which I've read increases E readings but like, does it affect everything in the levels there or what now?
>>39333900
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>>39335809
yes
consistency is key, the HPG axis takes time to react
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>>39334788
thank you!!!
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/hrtbump/
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>>39316228
It's an allergy to the oil or the alcohol, and it won't go away. Switch to IM and it won't happen anymore, and the dermatitis will probably clear up after some time.
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>>39317090
No. Buy a pair of straighteners and some spray conditioner.
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>>39318913
For Een, Amazon needles and alcohol swabs, maybe $80 for 18 months. It costs nothing.
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>>39317090
keratin treatment like brazilian blowout. hrt wont help with that.
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>>39264498
boomp
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>>39264498
hey guys I'm new to this board and I wanted to ask this
can I take estrogen as a cis guy?
I've always wanted my body and face to be more feminine but I don't want to transition
if yes what meds should I take and what dosage
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>>39264498
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>>39343282
see the bottom right part of the op guide, feminization without boobs
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>>39343282
total femboy death
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Does anybody have any idea if the fora clinic in canada is any good and if they can help my gf get on HRT? She just got herself a doctor after 6 years of searching and her previous one probably getting sued for all kinds of shit. Sadly she lives in the middle of nowhere so the only doctor she found as primary works in a hospital and from what she told me after mentioning HRT and a psychiatrist he told her that the only thing he can do for her is counseling and if she wanted a psychiatrist she would need to fucking self harm. Thus my question also is there any other way she can start HRT without needing to spend hundreds of leaf bucks on gas?
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>>39346725
Fuck me its called Foria clinic im in such a bad spot over her situation that I barely can fucking write.
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>>39344363
I never noticed that in the hrtgen picture
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whenever i take cypro my boobs get super firm and hard, and ache a ton. is this something to worry about?
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>>39347618
if you want good boob development take bioidentical P4 not cypro
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>>39264498
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>>39346725
there’s this thing called the internet where you can send money to people and buy stuff and then those people use something called the mail to send the stuff to you
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>>39346725
>>39348311
Yeah, the top of the thread with the HRTGen pictures have links to a bunch of resources so looking through that might find you something you can use
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>>39264498
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Is it possible to get slightly bigger lips in less than 3 months of HRT? Or I'm just delusional. The only change on face I noticed so far.
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>>39348311
Thank you for not answering any questions and being an irrelevant prune.
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I was on hrt for a few months and I really liked the effects except for the tits bc I’m a boy any advice ?
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>>39351361
Hello, you are a girl. Hope this helps.
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>>39351399
No hrt solidified that I’m just a fag but a femine fag nonetheless. At most nonbinary but I know you guys don’t think that’s real
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>>39351765
Okay... I guess you can stop.
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im around a month and a half into E injections (6mg EV weekly) and i just got my bloodwork done (at trough), my T is 10ng/dL and e2 was at 205. ive been on hrt for a year now (mostly hondosed bc didnt know better), so my tits are small and coney. is my dosing normal?? i havent heard of anyone else on this dosage and my dr doesnt seem the most experienced.
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>>39351361
>>39351765
total femboy death
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bumping this informative thread
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>>39352613
these levels are fine, you could even afford to reduce your dose a little
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>>39264498
got E cypionate from my provider but the concentration is so low that giving myself a non-hondose is going to eat up my refills. i can't afford to go in again rn, so do i just get otokonoko valerate/enanthate instead.
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>>39354879
you could just inject lower amounts more often, what’s the dose, concentration, vial volume, and refill rate?
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>>39354892
unironically i think she put me on like .2 mL of 5mg/mL. total volume is 5mL and refill rate is six months
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>>39355301
it's cliffs of dover, hun
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>>39325896
I'm in sf I'll (probably) let you plap me

tbqh tho the AGP femboy thing u have going on here is unattractive - transition if you absolutely need to but finding a gf will hopefully alleviate these unsavory urges. you do have an fantastic ass.

but seriously how the fuck have you not come across any trannies in this city, do you have just the worst clocking skills or what.. the answer is not that we're hard to find I don't think? maybe a lil harder than you'd expect but still.

>HRTgen
to stay somewhat on topic I'll report that over the last month I shifted from 8 mg een every 7 days to same dose every 10.5 days. I'm no longer extremely horny & I can no longer ejaculate :D

something something dht spikes. it was actually awful, I've maybe never been that lusty.
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>>39355301
how often do you inject? that sounds insanely low
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>>39356040
been injecting .5 mL once a week for the past few weeks.
i'm seriously considering just buying grey market lmao
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>>39356053
i did valerate about a year ago for a few months (stopped bc my support system sucks) and the dosage was considerably higher at 4mg, so i 100% know i'm being hondosed but idk if the higher prices are worth it or if i should just go back and ask for my previous prescription
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>>39356053
yea if she won’t prescribe a higher dose you should do een and jut use the place for labs
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>>39356071
got any providers you recommend? i'm us-based.
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>>39356100
check diyhrt.market
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bump before i go to sleep
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>>39264498
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what's the worst thing that could happen if I started taking 5 year old estradiol pills?
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just bumping the thread
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>>39336654
>my new multivitamin has 150ug biotin in it
that is still relatively low
>>39343282
you don't have to identify as transgender to take estrogen as a male
>>39349880
it is possible. your lips may appear fuller due to fat distribution on your face
>>39351361
embrace being a "boy"
>>39361029
they should be okay. you should check for signs of spoilage on the surface of the pill and within. medications can lose their potency over time
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>>39343282
you're literally me a year ago. I'm a full fledged tranny now.
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does any of the "cum stack" stuff interfere with hrt
i think im zinc deficient for other reasons + never made much cum and almost zero pre, even with normal male T, so im considering taking it
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Is it stupid to only order 1 vial? I don't want to bite off more than I can chew financially right away, but I have a feeling I'm doing something dumb and wrong.
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>>39364483
I'd say it's fine. A single vial should last a while so there's no issue. I'd calculate how long the vial's gonna last and see when you're going to need more and figure out a decision with that.
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>>39364565
I'm contradicting myself. If I can reiterate I mean there's probably going to be no issue? Sorry for that
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is 4mg of sublingual pills enough or its hondose level? paired with aa
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>>39364595
nta. It's better if you keep the other vial as an emergency in case your vial breaks like... your dog knocking them over while you're in the bathroom... haha...
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>>39364606
Fair enough. But aren't vials kind of sturdy? I feel like it'd be kind of hard to break it.
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council am i getting poonedosed? 0.80m every 4 weeks
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you know what? *bump your thread*
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>>39264498
bumpp
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Hello frens just a quick question. I just did my first Injection I just need to know what are the immediate effects going to be in the next couple days? I know some emotion related stuff happens but if someone could give me a rundown that would be great!
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>>39368282
not a whole lot. after a few days your nipples will start getting sore and after maybe a week and a half or something your libido will drop off as your t starts to get suppressed. i didn't notice anything change with my emotions besides maybe not feeling quite as depressed
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>>39368321
Yeah I feel a lot happier right after doing it but I think thats more self actualization than anything else
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>>39368331
yeah it's definitely a you thing instead of the actual estrogen because it will take some amount of hours dependent on what variety you injected before your levels get significantly increased by the injection
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>>39368355
Yeah I did sub q into my tummy so it will take a while I guess.
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Hey, I'm trying buy from Open Gate with LTC through Paypal. After I enter the address, Paypal says they need to get more info on me, and when I click get started then it says "Not available in your region".
I'm in America, so did I somehow do something wrong on my part? I tried doing it on mobile too but it just gives me a different error when I get to the same part.
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>>39264498
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Does anyone happen to have an Astrovials discount code?
I'd really appreciate it
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>>39264498
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>>39363699
>i think im zinc deficient
blood test for confirmation
>>39364605
that dose should be sufficient
>>39364656
which ester?
>>39365976
what?
>>39368454
>through Paypal
don't use PayPal
buy on Cake Wallet, and send from there
>>39371667
none at this time that i am aware of. in the past, she used to share some on X, but she have been inactive on that platform
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>>39264498
how can I increase breast growth?
I'm 15 months in, on injections, good levels, but I have like C cups (???, I don't know how to figure out the bra size), I think tanner 4
I don't eat much, so I'm trying to eat more
does progesterone actually help? It's a little expensive
someone said that HGH also is important, so would working out help too?
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>>39372601
it is not certain that progesterone will influence breast development. do you know what your height and weight is?
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>>39372705
I don't know my weight right now but I'm skinny
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>>39264543
worth it in my eyes. its cheaper and lasts longer than 50 mg pack. you charge crypto fewer times and save on transaction costs too. i do cut it in 8 pieces, on piece of paper. most of the time it cuts alright, but when it crumbles i collect the flakes with salivated finger. theoretically you could mash the pill into powder and then separate the powder in 8 pieces :), i havent done it tho.

dont worry about uneven dose. i take it somewhere in morning after meal. if you swallow it down with coffee (which is a laxative) or have diarrhea your "surgically precise dose" can be not absorbed. sometimes i even "chew" that 1/8th of a particle to make it powdery and aid absorbtion.
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>>39372601
yes working out will help
IGF-1 is important
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>>39376282
NTA but how long after starting HRT should I try to do things like weight cycle and whatnot? I'm just starting, so my levels probably aren't there yet, right? So gaining weight would probably just lead to male fat distribution at first.
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>>39376312
you're 15 months in so not "just starting"
if you gain weight it will probably be gynoid
weight cycling is not a bad idea but ymmv
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>>39376351
No, I'm NTA. I really am just starting. I just got my HRT today.
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>>39376359
oh sorry misread
you'd want to wait at least a few weeks so that your body adapts to the estrogen, then you should be fine to try weight cycling
it'd be a good idea to become lean before starting hrt then put on fat on hrt
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>>39376367
I see, thanks for the estimate. I'm already pretty lean, so that's good.
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So I homebrewed some testosterone cream to keep my cock strong and healthy while on HRT. 3% cypionate, about a gram applied to balls, shaft and glans. I did it on Sunday and plan to again next week.

HOLY FUCK it works. My dick's been in a crazy sensitive state. Sex has been extremely intense. I sneezed and it felt good. I was lying in bed and just the sheets resting on top felt good. I've been slamming my GF for hours. It's hard to explain clearly but it's all been a slice of heaven for me.

But that's too good to last, right? I must be doing something bad. Blowing out a receptor or summoning some kind of cock demon. I've done my best research and haven't found any real threats but do any of you know how this could be dangerous?
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>be hypochondriac, think to myself that getting my HRT from a doctor would alleviate that
>explicitly mention a familial history of heart and clot issues, strokes, etc.
>prescribes me the exact same 50mg cypro/5mg estro combo he does to all of his patients apparently
>mfw didn't even realize I was worsening my risks until another tranner told me that's the worst possible combo for my case

I can't even go to another endo because all they do here is give out pills, I'll just have to DIY and convince myself I haven't accidentally contaminated anything with a super death virus
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>>39378540
the problem here is the high dosage of cypro, 12,5mg of it daily wouldn't be a problem. you could try even every other day if you want to
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>they're actually pink
Wtf I thought pinkpilling was just a meme
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I’ve been on hrt (EEn) for 9 weeks now. I’ve not gotten my levels checked yet but I do plan on getting that done this friday (I inject on saturdays). Though it is def working cuz my nipples have gotten bigger/harder/more sensitive and I’ve had a tiny bit of breast growth. But my mental health has only gotten worse since getting on E. I mean, it was trending downwards to begin with, but I thought it’d get better once I fixed my hormones. My brain fog has gotten worse, I feel increasingly more unmotivated and depressed, and I’m even more suicidal than before. I thought one of the first effects of hrt was supposed to be seeing improvements in your mental health. Will it happen or am I just doomed?
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>>39379567
>I thought one of the first effects of hrt was supposed to be seeing improvements in your mental health.

Who the hell told you that? You become more unstable at first. Girls get PMS crazy because of hormone spikes.
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>>39379618
NTA, but I've seen it repeated a lot on Reddit. "Oh, going on HRT/testosterone cleared my mind. I guess it's because I'm finally running on the right hormone!" Trans women will say their emotions are clearer and they cry more, but that overall their mind feels better. Trans men will say that T calmed them.
Or from Truscum-adjacent people, "If you felt bad going on hormone therapy, it's because you're cis. Trans people feel better after getting on the right hormone, and cis people feel worse because their brain is mismatched with their main hormone."
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>>39379682
It's just a fantasy they want to tell themselves because it makes them feel more female. They might feel less stressed because they finally have what they wanted, but chemically it catalyses chaos all throughout your body. The sudden whiplash of going the opposite direction.

Your best bet is to learn to separate yourself from your emotions and understand that they mostly aren't valid. Easier said than done, but it works if you can learn to do it. It's literally just juices interacting in your body, so who gives a shit?
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>>39378933
Nah, I might as well switch entirely over to injectables - I can't be fucked worrying over how much of my pills are absorbed subilingual and how much goes into my stomach through the saliva. I just need to wait it out till shipping and I don't plan on looking back
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bunp
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>>39379452
Follow-up: how the heck are you supposed to break these into quarters? I have a pill cutter, but after breaking them in half, they're already dusty and quite hard to hold with just my finger nails, so I can't line it up properly in the pill cutter.
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>>39382652
what does your pill cutter look like?
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>>39382652
if it's valerate then it's slow release by design so no need to split it in quarters. just do halves. ofc you can still crush it and separate the dust/powder/crumbs into quarters like it's cocaine lol
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>>39376730
just die already, testosteronized rapehon
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>>39316933
>shrink
mine? no—but yours still might.
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>>39382875
Attached a pic. It's like that. The purple holder is made of rubber to hold the pill in place.
>>39382921
Yep, it's estradiol valerate.
https://dashpct.io/goods?code=04508742549
So if I can split it into halves, how often should I take it? Every 8 hours? I had been planning on a quarter every 4 hours, because the /hrtgen/ guide says 0.5mg every 4 hours is a good starting dosage.
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>>39382971
what's wrong with cutting the pill like so? the walls of the rubber should hold it into place
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>>39383004
It's small enough that it's difficult to hold it and drop it so it's exactly aligned with the blade. If it's a little off, I can't really move it without picking it up, because the rubber holds it in place, so I can't slide it. And when I try to slide it, powder rubs off of it, and it just rolls onto its side instead of sliding and staying flat (again, because of the friction of the rubber).
Maybe having dexterity this fine is just a skill I need to develop.
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>>39383030
>just a skill I need to develop
i believe so. i have a similar pill cutter and have worked my way through cutting it into quarters precisely. there will always be some residue
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is it possible that my testosterone is just too strong to be properly suppressed by estrogen alone, i have symptoms of having estrogen in my body but i also have symptoms of testosterone
i had average male T levels when i got tested 2 years ago prehrt, im not trans btw before you guys call me faketrans but i wonder if that has something to do with it
i really dont want to have to rely on bica because im scared of the current administration (im amerimutt) + its expensive, but i have half a years worth of it if i really need to
dont really wanna get bloods for the same reason
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Maybe not the right place to ask but does anyone know how to prevent pain when erect? I know the common wisdom is to just use it a couple times a week to prevent atrophy but I've been using it for a couple of minutes at least every other day and in the last month or so its started to hurt so much around the base to about halfway up. Not really sure what to do with it at this point since I'd like to prevent size loss as that can affect srs later
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>>39383582
stop gooning holy shit
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how long does it take for prog to effect me? when should I notice anything regarding breast growth? a year, or like more? also does it actually make you aroused? because I'm two days in and I feel the same.

this is how you take it right, I just take the capsule and put it up my butt, about two inches in, and thats it.
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>>39383468
yes, with injections. you should consider continuing to take your e2 and bica pills for 10 months, assuming you have a 12 months supply, and then gradually taper off them
>>39385993
there is limited data studying the effects of progesterone, so the consensus is not to expect any significant effects from taking it via any route. you are administering it correctly, and by doing so rectally, you achieve greater peak levels in your bloodstream compared to taking it orally
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>>39383468
>>39387624
i'm going to revise what i said because i believe my post was not helpful. i'm still getting the hang of participating in this thread, lol
>yes, with injections
your testosterone levels can be suppressed by administering injections alone, rather than taking oral e2 on its own, which is known as monotherapy
>you should consider continuing to take your e2 and bica pills for 10 months
*following your current regimen for this period
>dont really wanna get bloods for the same reason
you will need to have routine blood work done to ensure your levels are sufficient and to promote harm reduction
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>>39383842
I'm not gooning, just getting hard for like 15ish minutes every other day
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if i haven't had an erection in like 5 months that means at least something in my levels are right?
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>>39372577
>which ester?
sustanon 250,
30mg Testosterone Propionate
60mg Testosterone Phenylpropionate
60mg Testosterone Isocaproate
100mg Testosterone Decanoate
>4/5 vial every month, 6 months in, no dosage changes
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When on P I am growing more hairs on my body on the bad spots. Should I be worried about DHT?
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>>39390292
>sustanon 250
the leaflet for this medication states that ftms should administer a dose of 1ml once every two to four weeks. have you had blood work done recently to determine what may be the right dose and frequency for you?
>>39388008
>>39390309
blood work is needed to determine



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