it's still probably the best faction. and it even has the ending where you become lanius' pet.
>>39411763what a cute drawing
>>39411763it's not improbable that the NCR could have access to some form of hormone therapy, what with the followers of the apocalypse and the existence of cybernetic implants, etc.assuming this is the case, a boymoder who otherwise couldn't afford HRT could enlist into service and get access to hormones (or whatever wacky sci-fi equivalent the fallout universe could offer) while doing their part for the republic.>>39412588>it's still probably the best faction.well, if the courier were a boymoder, than Mr. House could absolutely offer some form of gender affirming care in return for her services.>and it even has the ending where you become lanius' pet.anon what the fuck are you talking aboutbesides the legion is all about reproduction quotas they probably wouldn't even waste their time with a boymoder outside of being menial labor or canon fodder.
>>39411763hope she doesn't get ambushed by a legion patrol...
>>39413791>lanius hates boymodershonestly i can get off to the ending where he tortures you to death too. but you can also take him as a pet if you win... in my headcanon. still i can fantasise about some mef type shit where lanius 'discovers' you're not a real foid but keeps it secret from the rest of the legion and humiliates and rapes you in private. >mr. houseis a capitalist pig, even if he is written to be unrealistically smart and given the ability to essentially save the world singlehandedly. the ncr is the most moral.
They really needed some more time to flesh out the ncr/legion dichotomy >Inefficient corrupt democracyVs>violent misogynistic authoritarian slavers And these are presented like equivalents
>>39414285to be fair you only see the legion at its worst. it's literally a warfront where the men are only interacting with women in the capacity of slaves. that's not how their society functions as a whole, which is a more traditional gender split. you also see the legion before a fundamental shift in its structure (caesar claims), where absorbing the ncr will turn it into a republic rather than a collection of tribes that requires war to sustain itself. there's also kinda weird implications in places that people are generally much happier under legion than ncr, that they're given more of a purpose in life because of the authoritarian and conservative elements. and like you said, a lot of stuff was cut from legion, just like it was in the rest of the game. but legion suffered heavily. well, all that's from memory, so could be wrong in parts.
>>39412588>best factionnot at all. it’s a hellish pseudo democracy where the rich have such a sway over governance that even during an active war with a major power the best units are kept at home to protect brahmin. the ncr is at best a doomed republic and at worst it’s an active oligarchy who conscripts its citizens to be sent into a never ending war with barebones training while the rich sit at home counting their caps under the protection of the actually trained troops.>lanius’ petonly exists if you headcannon losing the fight with lanius doesn’t actually exist in the game sadly ;~; also im pretty sure you can still get that dialogue with house or free vegas but idk.>>39414137>where lanius…okay kinda based…>ncr is most moral see above ^^
>>39414452NCR's imperialism is based actually
>>39414452an 1800s style republic is still miles better than organized raiders or a dictator.
>>39414476nope>>39414529>or a dictatorhow literally how? all you get with the mcr is a ‘democracy’ which only cares about its richest members. it literally conscripts its middle and lower class and throws them off to die in an unpopular, unprofitable and unending war in the desert while keeping all the big guns at home to defend cattle. enjoy voting every 4 years to choose which corrupt politican gets to fuck you in the ass ig but i’d much prefer a dictator to that bs
>>39411763the only dumb part of new vegas is the idea that caesars legion could ever stand up to the ncr when half of them only have machetes made of scrap metal and they dont recruit women and thus have no manpower
>>39414391>You only see the legion at its worstThis is my problem with new vegas as a whole and the games narrative suffers tremendously for itYou're told that ncr is corrupt and given evidence that's easy to digest: the brahmin barons, the powder gangers being press ganged, the crimson caravan van graff dealings.You're also told that the raping, slaving, mass executioners that shun technology and medicine are actually a super effective meritocracy, but you never see any evidence for it, only hearsay from a merchant in the legion camp (no bias here) and taking Caesars monologue at face value
You people are legit retards if you think the NCR is some liberal big chungus generic good guy empire. The game makes numerous attempts to show you they are NOT the generically good option you initially think they are. They are exceedingly racist towards ghouls and supermutants, hence why you have Jason Bright and his band seeking to flee them, and why you find a supermutant named Meansonofabitch, who was brutally tortured by NCR citizens so hard that Tabitha of all people had to rescue him. The only two main faction/ending faction options that would be pro tranny would be House, and a sympathetic Yes Man affiliated Courier who had the intelligence and skill to actually maintain power. The Legion would obviously not tolerate men taking hormones which would limit their ability to serve in the military. The NCR is like Chuck McGill in how misunderstood it is, the game is essentially screaming at the player that these are not the good guys the entire time. Damn I love this game.
>>39415586That's not entirely true, you also hear from other NPCs, especially Cass, who say that there are a lot of people in the Mojave who would choose the relative safety of the Legion over the NCR or House's brand of "freedom." I do agree though that cut Legion content would have fleshed them out more.
>>39415323>half of them only have machetes Do you guys even play the game? Every squad of legion members has at least one man with a firearm, and Nelson, which is shown to have been captured by a small band of Legion soldiers on a lark, are all armed with guns, as well as having dogs. >don't recruit women Women are okay enough in auxiliary roles, but the vast majority of women are physically weaker, and worse at shooting, than men. They almost always fail at being infantry, and are usually seen as a sign of major manpower shortages when they show up on the front line, as Ukraine and Nazi Germany showed. Only the USSR and the US have used them effectively, and people like Jessica Lynch have shown the flaws even in this approach. Also, yeah some have melee weapons, but WW1 showed that you can have guys shooting behind while men with knives and bayonets run FAST, ask any cop how fast someone with a knife can run at you. Combine that with a weak woman who doesn't want to actually shoot the guy, and you can totally see how the Legion, along with utilizing fear as a weapon, could get one over on an NCR patrol.
>>39415737>Women are so physically weak they can't do a combat with a 10lb gun>But they make great pack mules It's just dumb man you don't need to defend stupid ideas that clearly don't make any sense
>>39415802>show woman whose entire existence is limping around under a large amount of weight the average soldier would have a fighting load, and be expected to move long distances with, something akin to what that woman has on her back. Does she look in fighting shape to you? You literally just proved my point. How are actual IRL militaries faring with their female troops? I know that Ukraine sent them up, how are they doing with that? Nazi Germany utilized teenaged girls near the end in 1945, how much did they help? I'm not saying women have no place in the military, but to me the fact that women were being utilized in the NCR military in that fashion was an attempt to showcase both the NCR's hypocritical, neoliberal approach (see, we let women die in our imperialist forever wars too, take that chud!), as well as their manpower shortages. Combine that with half of the female troops you meet having been raped by the Legion as a weapon of war, and you see the problem with including them in frontline combat.
>>39412588the best is yes man, no matter hoe you headcanon it. the mojave doesn't deserve house, doesn't deserve legion, doesn't deserve NCR. it'd do better without any of them
>>39415968i mean isn't the ending literally just closing the doors to the strip and letting the mojave rot. the ncr is better than that.
>>39415984I'd rather have real freedom than rot under the same boring "democratic" empire that caused the war. NCR js what USAmericans have right now
>>39415968Disagree, Yes Man's ending is implied as having unleashed a malicious AI on the Mojave at worst, and at best is a weak quasi anarchist city state that has no real ability to think ahead, or protect its citizens. Imo, House is the better option, he has the context of his pre war days, along with his ability to plan ahead, which allows him to keep New Vegas free while also making sure it doesn't get taken over a by a revitalized NCR or Legion. >>39415984NCR is shown time and time again to essentially be no better than the Legion. They are an imperialist monster in desperate need of being checked. Guarantee that in 10 years time, the NCR will be involved in a new Mojave style quagmire (probably Utah if we're being honest), one in which men and women from the Mojave will be drafted to fight in. It will be for brahmin barons and people who are able to buy their way out of service, heck trannies from freeside would be part of the people drafted to go get their skulls caved in by whitelegs. House's superiority is in his non expansionist desires, he simply seeks to make progress in ways which do not emulate the imperialist societies of the past.
>>39416093that's why yes man is the best. the people of the mojava can manage themselves just fine without exterior interference. maybe the strip is fucked, but all the towns would be great
>>39415737>atleast one man with a firearmmost ncr soldiers are armed with a rifle and a pistol.>women are worse at shootinghttps://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10530038/no.
>>39416243I was talking about the Legion retardThe Legion utilizes a combination of superior numbers, disciplined tribal tactics, and the ability of multiple, junior members of a squad to work in tandem with those in the squad who have firearms to close the distance between them and the NCR. Most Legionaries in the game possess firearms, with the Legion's elite shock troops possessing more powerful firearms than their NCR counterparts in many respects>uses olympic shooting as an exampleSee, this is how I know you you're working with an NPC (NCR? lol) brain. You are utilizing an elite cohort of people, when I am referring to the macro level. Yes, there are women who are great shots, that is unable to be denied. But we are talking about an average farm kid/city dweller, not elite athletes. IRL, women fare poorly across the board when compared to their male counterparts, even those who are elite level fit and capable for women. https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/09/28/marine-corps-leaders-struggle-how-train-female-infantry-officers-amid-worries-about-standards.htmlif these female Marine officers are consistently outperformed by their male peers, what does that say about the average woman? https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2015/09/10/mixed-gender-teams-come-up-short-in-marines-infantry-experiment/When also combined with how olympic shooting is completely different than fire and maneuver in combat, and with the fact that the Legion is notorious for using psychological warfare (like rape and torture), the NCR's use of women on the battlefield is shown to be far, far more of a liability than some eager young bucks with machetes looking to move up the ranks.I say all of this as an advocate for Mr. House, and a man who loves this game.
>>39415802the legion is a class-first society, nona.that woman is a slave before she is a person, and that slave is human, a robust and capable critter; it simply isn’t necessary to commit anything to dividing and optimizing their labor or accommodating things like sex, unless a slave is exceptional in some way or the slave master personally wants to. conditions in the legion create insane demand for menial labor while tying up able-bodied men, too.a legionnaire is the face and might of the legion and must meet certain standards, which women don’t, as per the marine corps (https://www.marinecorpstimes com/news/your-marine-corps/2015/09/10/mixed-gender-teams-come-up-short-in-marines-infantry-experiment/) and >>39415933it doesn’t not make sense, it just doesn’t fit your sensibilities - rome wasn’t magically impossible and please remember that whatever you believe about people and society is not the default human state. the rape fantasy faction checks out
>>39416454oh shit lol sorry
>>39416454im aware you were talking about the legion, i was informing you what that single gunman would be up againstyou are the retard, they have more people, more guns, easy victory
>>39411763It's basicly the only civilised faction in that area.Everyone else would be realy fucking dangerous to a little boymoder.>brotherhood of steelThey would probably not be kind to a faggy little boymoder>caesarThe fascist would likely rape the shit out of her>raidersToo dangerous>children of the atomThese lunatics woul poision her with radiation.>>39415664They aren't good, but who in Fallout is?They are less bad and at least somewhat civilised *when compared to the rest*
>>39415737Women aren't worse at shooting, that's actually retarded. It doesn't take any latent skill to point a crosshair or dot.
>>39416477And I am informing you that that single gunman or woman (again you're thinking on the micro, not macro level) would be facing not one, but probably two Legion troops, one with a machete, and one with a rifle. Said gunman or woman would likely have been psychologically exhausted from seeing warcrimes, having seen rape/torture at the hands of the Legion, or by even having been raped themselves. The Legion is shown to have superior numbers of troops, despite having a smaller population, due to their highly militarized society. Their system works on sending inexperienced young, melee troops to exhaust enemy forces, all while picking off enemy troops with their rifles and explosives, then surrounding and killing whatever is left. Those who are left out of the melee bunch are oftentimes promoted and given more advanced weaponry, creating an incentive factor. They utilize superior numbers, the fanaticism of young brainwashed men, and psychological tactics to overwhelm their already exhausted enemies. Read Attacks by Rommel, about how he was, utilizing company sized elements, capture entire BATTALIONS of enemy troops, implementing tactics such as screaming, yelling, throwing grenades, making the force seem much larger than it actually was. Men with knives and grenades would charge the enemy, while men with rifles would follow up behind and pick off enemies. The overwhelming force of these shock troops would be enough to demoralized, encircle, and defeat much larger forces. These are the tactics the Legion employs, so yes, it makes sense why they are able to defeat the NCR in most of their engagements, and would likely have won the war sans Courier intervention.
>>39415933kys
>>39416589https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/09/10/marine-experiment-finds-women-get-injured-more-frequently-shoot-less-accurately-than-men/
>>39416593actually this kinda makes sense...nvm i concede atleast a little bit that the legion gains an advantage with its style of warfare
>>39416652And I respect your point. Sorry for calling you retarded. At the end of the day, the fact that we are able to have such a heated debate about a decade and a half old game speaks to its quality, and just how great of an experience it was.
>>39416620>Posts article where it says they had to go by averages>Article admits it's fitness, not sex>Women still better at artilleryOk
>>39414137oh ok i see it's your headcanon that if you lose he keeps you because of his line about enslaving you after the final battleyou had me really confused for a second because i wasn't familiar with all the endings>mr. house is a capitalist pigi thought you were referring to the best faction for a boymoder to join or somethingi mostly agree with your point but the NCR still has issues with capitalist corruption and oligarchs like the brahmin barons
>>39416709>they had to go by averagesBased, that's the entire point, you have to average it out. In a military context, you are fielding large amounts of troops, it's not an individual case. >it's fitness, not sexAnd women are on average far less physically fit/capable, and are far more injury prone, than men >women still better at artillery Ironically enough the only artillery we see in New Vegas is on the side of the Legion lmao
guys can we stop discussing female combat efficiency/video game politics and start posting boymoder ncr fanfics i want entertainment
>>39416822>posts new vegas thread>gets mad when it devolves into autistic shit flinging Okay, well, I'm more of a "chaser" I guess you could say. I fuck trannies if they're presented to me but I don't really go after them.I guess I would say that if I were an NCR soldier, and there was a hot tranny in my platoon, I'd probably use some funds to take her to the ultra lux for a nice bit of leave. Maybe she's even treated badly by our fellow troops for being a boymoder. I'm a zogbot IRl so I've actually had a few instances of this happening with some other servicemembers.Anyway, I'd take her to the ultralux, be nice to her in a way that all the others hadn't, and get us a suite and absolutely fuck her brains out. Idk where I'd get lube, but I'm betting that freak at the vault 21 gift shop has some on hand. Breed her like a bitch, now she wants to fight the Legion and is feeling good about her life. We both get stationed at Camp Forlorn Hope, she gets both her legs amputated as a result of a Legion mine, and I fall down into that pit where the BOS bunker is and end up at the Sierra Madre. Happy now?
>>39416822imagine managing to build strong bonds with the rest of your squadron and finally gaining their respect as a boymoder and then they find out you were a tranny all along.
>>39416822umum here u go :3
>>39416946umum yeah ..boymoding while still being one of the boys is scary, butit was kinda cool how everyone starting subconsciously giving me princess treatmentbuying me food, carrying stuff for me, doing strength intensive stuff for me >w<it kinda ended with school starting and me coming out, i still chat with them and i might see them again, but i have different friendgroups now ..(i came out when we were all drunk on a trip and they were all chill and supportive ^^)
>>39416822more :3>>39418258also i had a chaser in my friend group who i didn't know about xcmotherfucker clocked me 1 month on hrtlike my skin was slightly softer and he knew
imo the best NV ending is yes manyes you leave the city initially in anarchy, but if you get the better ending by saving the robot armythen vegas can protect itself and prosper without anyone who could oppose iteven if this ending would make lives for people of vegas worseit is much better then ending under the boot of an imperialist faction or an egoistic forever dictator
>>39416822^w^
>>39418336>he thinks he can govern a city better than a 200 yo man plugged into a supercomputer with infinite probabilities at his disposal
>>39418292How are chasers so good at clocking boymoders??? I have a GAMP friend, and she started calling me a tranny way before I said anything!
>>39418848>heyou're on tttt, kys>govern a city better than a 200 yo mandid you even read what i wrote, the point is not governing it "better", the point is depriving imperialists of resources
I just want ncr ending without killing house. Is that so fucking hard?
>>39419060No, I'm on /lgbt/, I don't inherently know your gender. The only person who can stop the resources of NV from falling into the hands of the imperialist NCR and Legion, is Robert Edwin House, a man who has infinite probabilities at his disposal, and who has been planning this for centuries. The idea that you think a brain damaged mailman/woman could do it better than Big H is peak silly billy thought.
>fallout 3.5, fear and hungry, celeste, signalis, mouthwashhave i played every popular tranny game so i can make tranny friends
>>39419145It's almost like that's the moment when you are supposed to become disenfranchised by the faction that until then was presented as the generic "good guy" option. Well that and Colonel Moore, that genocidal freak.
>>39419431I know they're not the good guy option, but killing house is stupid. It's a contrived gameplay moment that ruins the narrative. Just like house telling you that you have to destroy the brotherhood.
>>39412588>be lanius >defeat ncr courier after a surprisingly difficult battle >that profligate was armed to the teeth>but at last, you have finally defeated the champion of the bear>now to finish him off >remove his shirt to get a clean opening for your knife to pierce his heart>boobs>what? their champion was a woman this whole time? >impossible! she almost killed me!>of course, the west is full of degenerates >this isn’t exactly a new low for them>they must be desperate to send a woman to do a man’s job>very well, then i shall claim my prize>remove her pants to do the deed>penis>ok what the fuck
>>39419479They're an imperialist power attempting to take over the region anon, why would they leave alive the indivigual most able to resist them aside from Caesar? Heck maybe even more than Caesar, because House is actually behind their lines, still leads NV, and has bent them over a barrel negations wise. The choice you are referring to is the same as having the destroy the BOS bunker for House, it's meant to make you consider whether this is the faction you truly want to support. It makes perfect sense given the motivations of all those involved.
>>39419581>penis is leaking strange fluid>doesn't quite look like cum>taste some of it>is it to lube up courier's asshole >take her to poundtown on the edge of hoover dam as legionaries cheerkino
Both the legion and ncr are heavily caricaturized versions of the roman empire and republic respectively
>>39419723>taste some of ithaha lanius absolutely would though he’s a fucking weirdo
>>39420419*lifts up the maskdelectable
>>39419581>>39419723i feel like lanius is definitely the type to think “i don’t care i’d still hit” in the moment
>>39420651the best warlords have historically been bichads
>>39418258>boymoding while still being one of the boys is scarypersonally i find it based, they jokingly call me a girl but they don't seem like they're actually onto me or my shenanigans
>>39411763i want vulpes inculta to do unspeakable things to me
ncr is 100% giving out estrogen. it lowers your body temperature so you can serve better in a desert
>>39420651>>39420766>woah woah wait wait lanius don't you remember homosexuality is against your laws?? i have a penis so you technically can't->you killed caesar so now i'm in charge and my first act as the new caesar is making you one of my wivesand the rest is history
>>39411763Legion still looks cooler
>>39423212the legion is horrible and terrible and a complete dead end of a society which will bring nothing but pain and suffering to all they conquer while turning anything of value to ashBUT...........................
>>39419479>destroy the brotherhoodhouse wanting to destroy the brotherhood makes sense what are you on about. theyre the only force in the mojave who can match house on a qualitative scale. sure the legion and ncr have significantly more numbers but the securitrons have the strength to send them back in caskets by the hundred where as each the core of the brotherhoods fighting force are walking tanks who wield weapons with significantly more power than a 5.56, and thats before touching on the fact that they're the least reasonable faction hell bent on a crusade which House is squarely in the middle of.
>>39423359Right up until the final release of the game you could ally house with the brotherhood. They arbitrarily cut it at the last second because they "didn't want any one faction to have 100% good choices"
>>39423399still makes sense tho, just because its cut content doesn't mean it necessarily makes sense. >good choiceswiping out the brotherhood is a good choice tho...
>>39423450Him wanting to remove the brotherhood makes sense obviously. Not having the choice but to do anything other than murder an entire community for mr house makes zero sense in a game that is supposed to have meaningful choices
>>39419415another imperialist asshole, yeah, no, that's not a good ending for anyone except the rotting corpse of a man himself, sorry>>39419581>w<>>39422982yeah it was fun while it lasted, but it also made me super dysphoric hanging out with them ..they had a male nickname for me, because i have a female birth name ..and also playing games with them would mean having to use my voice
>>39423297no kasey don't fall for the legion meme because of smut you're stronger than this>>39424215>yeah it was fun while it lasted, but it also made me super dysphoric hanging out with them ..oh yeah that's fair desu
>>39424794>youre stronger than thisi wish i had your confidence in mebut dw i would never betray an independent vegas. yes man ending is the objective best if done right and i wont ever be convinced otherwise (cause all other faction supports have terrible arguments lol)
