Why are boymoders accepted and embraced as a legitimate part of the community but FtM girlmoders are derided as trenders?
>>39482881Misogyny.
>>39482881do you mean here, or in the more real world of LGBT peoplecos I know a decent amount of FtM girlmoders through FtM friends, I don't know a single boymoder irl
because ftm girlmoders demand pronouns and affirmation despite not taking testosterone and not intending to transitionmeanwhile boymoders expect people to assume their pronouns and use a male name for them, and are taking estrogen to medically transition before they socially transtition
>>39482881God damnit I want to ruin this child and get her addicted to methamphetcime
Holy shit I was thinking of this yesterday lmao. But yeah there's no logical reason, people are just hostile to ftm and won't ever care about their possible reasons for girlmoding
>>39482920There’s literally no reason. Women can wear boy clothes and have short hair. It’s socially acceptable
>>39482881Because they hate boymoding. It's not for fun or to be cute it's because they hate themselves. MiSoGyNy
>>39482920I mean there's a girlmoding FtM, and then there's someone like OPs pic that just has he/him in the bio and short hairlike no one respects the trans women that are actually male moding, cos they're not seen as queer, yet>>39482936if I knew you irl and you asked me to start calling you He/Him I'd respect thatyou have that cold dead stare
>>39482934Untrue as fuck. This depends entirely on how liberal the area you're in is, and even then you're describing tomboys which are accepted due to the belief of it being a "phase" thing. Ftms however are more decided, but their desire for masculinity is punished because they're betraying womanhood or whatever. Both girlmoding and boymoding are safety measures so that cissoids don't lose their shit when spotting an obvious troon
>>39482983Dumbass this isn’t Russia we’re talking about. Nobody gives a shit outside of the most ghetto ass slum piles.
>>39482881The alternative to boymoding is going out looking like a stereotypical man wearing female clothing and talking in a man voice and telling everyone to call you by female pronouns and a female name.That seems like what those like Clay are doing - going out looking like a girl with hair flowers and dyed hair and asking to be called a man with he/him pronouns.The real equivalent of boymoding MTFs would be be FTMs who go on T and only transition socially after looking and sounding somewhat more masculine.
>>39482982>I mean there's a girlmoding FtM, and then there's someone like OPs pic that just has he/him in the bio and short hairI will admit that this is somewhat true but one has also to consider the reason WHY examples like the pic may exist. It has a lot to do with "validity culture" that doesn't encourage masculinity because of rhetoric such as "testosterone is poison that makes you a monster", you know the drill. You can't expect the babytrans to be secure in themselves when this is the message we are sending to them. To solve the so-called theyfab problem we gotta get to the roots of it, aka misandry (as well as other things)
>>39482995>ftms being harassed, killed raped and etc on a daily basis but noo, trust me they're accepted so there's no reason to girlmode!
>>39482902fpbp
>>39483052Why would you expect men who are too cowardly to even talk to women in person to empathize with females?
>>39483052ftm get murdered less than women thoughAlso>i girlmoded so I wouldn’t be rapedHoly lmfao fucking shit… you didn’t think about that one did you?
>>39483149>Holy lmfao fucking shit… you didn’t think about that one did you?No, I did. Repping or not, there's no victory for those deemed as "females" by society. It's not contradictory to state that yes, sometimes girlmoding is safer than other options.
mtfs think they're the only trutrans around because there's more of them and they have a deep envy for anyone born female (especially if they alter female traits) that they take out on poons because poons are spineless and will put up with anything
>>39483196being raped as a woman would be far less humiliating than being raped as a ftm anyway
>>39483196Nobody is lining up to rape poons
>>39483032yeah that's fair, and I think the other thing is that the two cultures that the babytrans are in before hand has a lot to do with itas I've heard a lot about how bad female socialisation is but never a second thought to recognise that trans people of either flavour have suffered pretransition, that's what led to the transition>babytrans MtFs are isolated males who are being demonised by validity culture as they're amab and told they are part of the issue, they're is no outlets asside from seething over people they percieve as luckier or worse, they fall for the right wing grifts that it's actually womens fault they're being pushed this way and become incely>babytrans FtMs are sheltered by validity culture as they are embraced as already done, valid, they don't need to change more because what you believe is what makes you, and there might be real fear in them from all the stories they hear and have grown up with about testosterone and MALES, and when they post about being he/him online and recieve backlash from whoever, it pushes them back to the safer zone of "I'm already valid"I agree with you in saying it's misandry and also the people saying it's misogyny, it's the fact that the two sides of the coin haven't seen each other and assume the coin must be crushing their side more(I don't have a lot of bottom images so here ya go)
>>39483227men fuck orangutans, pooners arent the worst they can do
>>39483227genuinely just needs to shave their head what the fuck is that hairi can see the boyish look with a skin head wtf is he doing
>>39483221We are doing a "how bad rape is under those specific circumstances" scale now I guess LMFAO. You're not real
>>39483243Orangutans usually consent tho
>>39483052>>39483092>>39483149>>39483196>>39483200>>39483221>>39483243>>39483263Also also it's kinda sad watching you all just be haters to the opposite sidethis is shit for everyone
>>39483283Moids are misogynists, I'm sorry this is how you had to find out anon.
>>39483300>>39483283I’m an equal opportunity hater dicknose
>>39483329Oh wow, did you come up with that one on your own? "I hate everyone equally actually" is such an original thing to say, holy shit. User was awarded Reddit gold for this heckin' hilarious post. "dicknose" literally had me in tears XD
>>39483283 I'm not a "hater to the opposite side", anon, I don't hate transfems at all. I just believe some people here are hostile towards girlmoders without even bothering to understand the reasons why they do that. But yes, I do agree things shit for each one of us. No doubt about that.
>>39483346u mad bro?
>>39483363And a tip of the ol' fedora to you as well, m'sir :)
>>39483369Girugamesh!
>>39483300if we're using Moids as a lovely catch all for amabs as well, I better update my status then >>39483329A bit of casual banter is fine, but this looks competitive ranked levels of shit talking which is kinda cringe>>39483357ok you might've caught a stray (You) then cos there's been too much shit thrown in this thread for my taste even tho it's a pretty legit question originally
>>39483387When you see it...
>>39482881theyfabs have done a lot of damage to the girlmoder optics and girlmoders are way less talked about around here in my experience also some people think that ftm girlmode cuz they're trenders unlike mtf that boymode cuz they're in dangerI've seen people on both sides only being "e-trans" and boymoding/girlmoding irl cuz in reality they're just trenders but of course my sample bias is massive we need more decent ftm representation around here
>>39483263all rape bad, just more humilatingly to get your clam slammed as a poon after putting in all the effort to escape your sex
>>39483392>ok you might've caught a stray (You) Kek it happens, don't worry about it. And you are correct, there's too much infighting. As trannies we should stop self-sabotaging so much, but alas...
>>39483438too soon…
>>39483283eye for an eyefriendy fire
>>39483227the stretch marks eughhhh.
>>39483448Let’s rape some poons and find out
>>39483242Very well said, I don't have anything to complement on. Sigh, I wish things weren't so complex
>>39483452I'll let you know the secret because you played ballLook at her underwear, she's on her period
>>39483467>>39483467rape an organgutan and compare pussies
>>39483448Measuring a supposed humiliation factor of it is crazy work
>>39482881It sucks that as a ftm I will never be able to plap and impregnate a ftfemboy like him
>>39483227>acting like rape is about the attractiveness of the victimDepravity has no limits anon.
>>39482917that's hotimagine getting him methed up and then rubbing t-gel on his pussy
>>39483534>fell for CNN article again awardmost rape is just about proximity. Regardless, presenting feminine will get you more raped than presenting masculine. I spent a week homeless in a refugee camp once and none of them raped me but they raped one of the girls a bunch.
>>39482881Your example is more like picrel thoughever.
>>39483449yeah and now it's devolved further xd>>39483462Exhausting amounts of bullet wounds on both sides at this rate>>39483477Thank you <3I feel like I had a fucking epiphany about all things gender about a month ago, it takes far too much work to understand all this shit from both sides
>>39483439I girlmoded for about 1.5 years into T because it would feel humiliating to put the effort in to pass and still get called a girl or woman. I also wasn't sure what my parents reaction would be. Just like boymoding its done for safety but I rarely see girlmoding discussed in ftm spaces, its more common for us to start socially transitioning pre-T even if they wouldn't pass yet
>>39483563Rape is a far too complicated issue for me to discuss on tttt of all things so all I'm gonna say is that nuance exists. Yes there's proximity, so you're not necessarily wrong about the fem presenting thing but there is still too much corrective rape against transmascs, like that'll revitalize their femininity. That is what I am against.
>>39483701> too much corrective rape against transmascs, like that'll revitalize their femininityThat is pretty much entirely just a porn thing and coomerspeak shitposts. It doesn’t happen irl lol.
>>39482881because masculine is the default and feminine is performative.for a mtboymoder to boymode they have to be lazy and do nothing (wear sweater no makeup)for a ftgirlmoder to girlmode they have to put in effort and do stuff (wear cute flower crowns and die their hair)
>>39483718"Trans men are more likely to be victims of sexual and/or physical violence than the general population [39]. In a study of 284 trans men in nine African countries, the lifetime prevalence of sexual violence was 41% and in the past year 24% "it's just not a western thing
>>39482881because "girlmoding" is literally just presenting as a tomboy. it's socially acceptable for girls to wear guys' clothes. ofc these "ftms" dressing feminine, even hyper feminine at times are probably just women. if they were girlmoders, they'd actually look more masculine.
>>39483753> when you finally got the feminist chick intellectually cornered on the wage gap and she starts talking about Sudan all of a sudden sigh
>>39483718>it doesn't happen because... it just doesn't, okay?! nobody wants those fugly pooners! Now you lost me. For the sake of my own sanity I'm gonna pretend I did not read that. Good night, anon
>>39483814>what do you mean the place full of degenerate trannies is full of degenerate trannies.. now you lost me
>>39483814>erm achshully straight shota futa feminization NTR totally happens in real life… because it just does!
>>39483833You really got me there, buckaroo...
>>39482881Women being the more socially malleable and accepted gender, with much of their worth given to them intrinsically, often look for ways to be exactly that. Trendy. It's also more likely to be superficial compared to the trial by fire standard men are held to socially. There's a reason female philosophers are rare even beyond the point it was viewed as acceptable for them to challenge men in their respective fields. People are subconsciously aware of this and associate it with ftms.You know sometimes I regret typing this shit out. This is literally the answer but you'll just go with what you feel and assume I'm doing the same thing probably even though everything I said can be supported with evidence and strict principles guiding logic. Damn I hate you retards.
>>39483869>shota futa feminization NTRbasado
>>39482881picrel"the community" is fine, enforcing norms on others like church 2.0 is not necessary and i largely ignore it as an... environmental symptom
>>39482881boymoders exist because they are scared to admit they are on hormones and transitioning. while “girlmoders” are just incredibly feminine bisexual women who make no attempt to be masculine and are often not even on hormones despite telling everyone they are trans. boymoders will not admit to being trans and actually attempt to be feminine.
>>39484503boymoders are cowards for being on hrt but spending years presenting as male. if they actually had dysphoria theyd socially transition
>>39484699forgive us for not wanting to be the victim of a hate crime but ftms do not deal with the same kind of discrimination.
>>39484729>oppression olympics
>>39484751>le epic chud trollerino
I find the idea that ftms are so crisscrossed in their understanding of human sexuality that they are hyperfeminizing themselves to avoid being raped because they took the tomboy plapping memes seriously ridiculously funny ngl
>>39484917>they are hyperfeminizing themselves to avoid being rapedI have no idea what you mean by this, especially when they were always hyperfeminine. They are crisscrossed for sure tho. Although not all of them are like that.
>>39484983I’m merely saying that that is the implication people itt are throwing down>noooooo anon you don’t understand they actually want to be gigachad manly men but they girlmode emo femboys to not be raped
>>39482881>Men hate women since begging of time because being born as AFAB is a fucking sin >it's now happening in a woke way >op is seriously shocked LOOOOOOOOOLLLL
>>39484917>why am i fetishized>dressed in lust provoking manner
>>39486312Fembrained as fuck. Also who cares if random man #34 is beating his meat to her in private? He won't actually harm them, rape is illegal. That'd be an insane ego boost to me.
>>39482911Ftm girlmoders and mtf boymoders aren't that different about the pronoun shit. Both complain about it online and don't say anything in person. Only difference is ftms blame people for not realizing short hair and baggy clothes make them boys, mtfs blame their face/bodies for not being feminine enough to pass in boys clothes
>>39482934That's what ftm girlmoders do. They just call themselves girls while doing it
>>39482881MOST mtfs are bitter, probably isolated "nice guys" who hated women pre transitioning and who see being a woman as the "ultimate" goal. They understand their own struggles."Hons, twinkhons, boymoders" etc. Since they are all striving for the same goal, to distance themselves from looking like men.They see people who pass more as women as more successful, and people who don't pass as less successful.The problem is that they don't understand that not everyone sees passing as a woman as the ultimate successful goal. Ftms can "girlmode" because they can't pass, or afford t, are afraid to come out, etc. There are a million reasons. Mtfs can't understand their problems because passing as a woman is their ultimate goal and they think that ftms have achieved that "goal" by girlmoding. This part causes envy and confusion in mtfs. Not only because girlmoding ftms doesn't make sense in their heads, but because they are driven by stereotypes about ftms, aka "easy to pass". Meanwhile, in reality, ftms don't enjoy it at all and know that they look like women, which is clearly not their goal in transitioning.It may be crazy to ask someone who was born a man (and wants to be a woman) to empathize with biological women, but it's still interesting how they can't understand them even from a trans experience.T. Not a ftm
>>39482881boymoders usually try to lean feminine in some ways but maybe don't pass yet and maybe won't, or can't for social reasons like family. They don't relish their masculinity many are just trapped by it, if they were able to they'd present more feminine.ftm femboys lean feminine and don't present masc in anyway or even want to. They aren't trapped in their feminity they relish in it. When the T really hits they get dysphoric about the traits of becoming a man.
>>39486519Retard.
>>39483438I don't see it
>>39486539okay loser didn't ask
>>39486276>Men hate women since begging of time because being born as AFAB is a fucking sin>it's now happening in a woke wayAll afab hate from bitterhons on this board is this exact thing btw and happens daily here
>>39486519Thread is about ftm girlmoders not ftfemboys.
>>39482881No one believes women. They're so gullible due to ingroup programming. They're all sucking dicks, then saying they're gay, then coping with bisexuality, then they're a theyfab, then they poon for 11 minutes and go back to womanhood and dicksuckingWhen a male is gay... that's it. He's like that. He might gigacope with "straight transwoman" internal homophobia but at least he consistently just crazes eating penises and cummies.
>>39482881What a poor comparison.Boymoders are tranners on HRT, wearing boymoder hoodies.Theyfabs are ciis women NOT on testosterone (regardless of what they wear or which pronouns they identify with)
>>39482983no, its not true. the worst you get is weird looks and getting called a dyke or "sir". with mtfs we get beaten and tormented and everything between when we are visibly "feminine men".
>>39482881Men just hate women that's it really
How are you going to be in danger for wearing "male clothing" and having short hair as an ftm?? Do you like in Syria? Women can already look like that. Its nothing like wearing a dress as an AMAB. You're all such jokes. So desperate to be victims.
>>39487832>you MUST live in the west
>>39488232this conversation isn't about your backward ass country. join the EU before you speak.
>>39488252Nta but I live in Eastern Europe and it sucks here.
>>39487832>>39488252>"So desperate to be victims">shits on potential thirdworlderAhh, white people
>>39482881Because "girlmoders" aren't real kek>>39486465Nothingburger.>passing as a woman is their ultimate goalBecause they are MtF.>mtfs don't understand that not everyone sees passing as a woman as the ultimate successful goal"Not everyone" being the FtMs.>they think that ftms have achieved that "goal" by girlmodingI think most MtFs have the capability to realize that actual FtMs don't want to look like women and the idea of "girlmoding" is more often than not just an excuse for they/hefabs to demand validation without putting effort into transition.>>39486688A rose by any other name.
>>39482881Boymoders allow people to individually choose what pronouns to use, and they hide out of fear.Big difference
>>39488578I feel like everyone is mixing up theyfab and girlmoding ftm. Now they're talking about ftfemboys? We can't just pick one...
>>39488566>i'm black btw i'm black i'm in a shithole btw white people i'm a woman btw the american education system i'm esl holy shit i don't need to know, i don't care. go use the turkish version of 4chan. i'm sorry your race act like animals or whatever
>>39488578Girlmoding as an ftm is the same idea as boymoding as mtf. Ftfemboys try to look like feminine males but girlmoders still present as cis females while medically transitioning. Idk why its hard for people in this thread to understand
>>39488600>>39488658>girlmoding vs boymodingSame idea, rarely the same execution.>>39483609>actual example of girlmoding>its more common for us to start socially transitioning pre-T even if they wouldn't pass yetThis.
>>39482911>>39482978>>39483027>>39483719>>39483762>>39484503>>39486519>>39487467>>39487475>>39487832Girlmoders are women. It's that simple of an answer.
>>39482911>Despite not taking testosterone That's a theyfab you're describing here, I'm 7 months into hrt on a high dose but still mostly girlmode because of brainworms. We exist but usually get mistaken for trans women.
>>39488658>Ftfemboys try to look like feminine males
>>39488776Boymoders are men. It's that simple of an answer
>>39488578>realize that actual FtMs don't want to look like womenNot everyone can pass.
>>39482881Idgi??? why are anons here misgendering him even tho he looks perfectly fine????
>>39490627
>>39489327Tough shit. If they can't it doesn't mean they shouldn't have the innate desire, that's part of being FtM in the first place.
>>39489301Notice how I said "try" and not that they do look like males
>>39490627If he was a boymoder or an amab femboy everyone here would be horny posting but he is afab so everyone hates him for existing
>>39482881The real reason is that many ftm girlmoders engage in trans misogyny to feel more masculine so trans women don't like them. If you're an ftm girlmoder and aren't saying shit about how trans women are rape bodied anyone who doesn't accept you is just an asshole
>>39491019>If he was a boymoder or an amab femboy everyone here would be horny posting but he is afab so everyone hates him for existingAnd they will tell you it's not misogyny lol..
>>39491006>Notice how I said "try"Notice how it's funny because a majority of the time they don't>>39491019>ifDelusional straight women are less of a turn on and more of a whiny nuisance.
