One thing I don't understand.If trans women really are women, then why don't they feel like the rest of us? I mean, most womanly thing you can desire is to be a man.And most manly thing you can do is desire to be a woman. Most of women, unironically have some form of AAP. So if trans women are really women shouldn't they be happy that they're born in male body and never transition?
>>39486574Every woman is not a latent ftm, pls stop being autistic.
>>39486574the reality is I desire to be womanly, feminine. feel free to call that whatever you want you faggot psyopper
>>39486586>t. Doesn't understand women at all>>39486587>the reality is I desire to be womanly, feminineHoly malebrained.
>>39486574I often feel like I should've been a manAnd by that I mean having a proper male brainNot necessarily saying I have a female brain, but I kinda doI only befriend guys and feel like I would get along with them better if I was a proper guyAlso I wish I had a gf because girls are cute asf, but I would only want that if it meant I was also a proper maleI'm also AAP when I masturbate
>>39486606You are not womanbrained even if cis you are autistic. Period.
>>39486611This is only valid if you form take estrogen >>39486615Wanting to be a man is most femalebrained thing ever
>>39486574The most womanly desire is to get fucked by a Black man and bear his Black babies. This is a desire many trans women have.
>>39486629Male fetish
>>39486627>Wanting to be a man is most femalebrained thing everNo it isn't, unless you're one of the many ftms or ftm reppers on the board. Wanting to rise to the positions men do? Sure. Be them? No.
>>39486606fantastic, you've gotten your point across. I don't care about your approval, and I don't care about perceived authenticity to one or more labels. I have identified a very simple desire and I pursue that. You're clinging on to pivoting to phrases like "malebrained" or "how can trans women be women" because it gives you power over people who are stuck tacking simple desires to conceptual identity. "Are mobile gamers really gamers?" if I wanna play phone games who cares what some loser like you thinks about it
>>39486636>if I wanna play phone games who cares what some loser like you thinks about itI respect your identity as a woman, but not a gamer. Gamer card revoked.
>>39486627I do take estrogen and I am short and desire a bf
>>39486635It literally is.>>39486636>>39486646Will you ever stop being so fucking malebrained lol?
>>39486661>It literally is.Wrong.
>>39486669You're malebrained male socialised man so you don't understand
>>39486633That's not true. Wh*te women are choosing Black kings at an astonishing rate, for good reason!
>>39486661>Will you ever stop being so fucking malebrained lol?literally how is >>39486646 malebrained lol
>>39486661I will never stop being myself and I will never waste time categorizing my desires in order to determine whether I should feel wrong for pursuing them
>>39486673I'm afraid the complete opposite of what you just said is the reality.
>>39486674Bbc is a sissy (male) fetish >>39486675>Take estrogen >Not malebrained Bruh>>39486676Ok fella>>39486677No lol
Does this mean ftms are women?
>>39486685>No lolYes.
>>39486721Yes>>39486728Wanting to be a man will always be most female this ever No woman wants to be a woman Wanting to be a woman will always be most male thing ever No man wants to be a man Your mental gymnastics can't change this fact
>>39486747It's your ftm repper brain that can't change the facts.
>>39486760If I was a man I would want to be a woman. Vice versa for you.No such thing as ftm repper, that's just all women.
>>39486574I'm not actually a woman though
>>39486783I appreciate your honesty
>>39486574>why do people desire what's on the other side>why is the grass greenerThis is a dumb question. Any woman reborn a man would most likely have thoughts and desires of being a woman.
>>39486574Only a woman could believe something as retardedly fembrained as soul reincarnation
>>39486811>Any woman reborn a man would most likely have thoughts and desires of being a woman.Then that's not a woman. That's a man.>>39486829Wanting to be a man is far more fembrained than believing in reincarnation
>>39486841>Then that's not a woman. That's a man.Way to miss the point. You're a retard and this thread sucks.
>>39486855>can't accept reality >this thread hecking sucks :(
>>39486863No really, you're retarded and your thread is bad. Terrible bait.
>>39486574women want to be men to avoid being treated like sex objects, trannies also usually prefer this after a while of living as a girl, but like cis women who don't troon out usually, they have an intrinsic need to be a woman. simple as
>>39486865How is this a bait. I lived as woman for 20 years of my life I know what I'm talking about.>>39486869That's not the only reason women want to be men, though
>>39486674I would choose assraping you as punishment for all the spam over any nigger anytime.
>>39486880>I lived as a repping ftm for 20 years of my life
>>39486636>>39486586She is like a little boy screeching at every girl for having cooties. That's why they generalize. They can't handle how reality invalidates whatever negative experience they had (probably not being seen as feminine which is probably just a means of feeling special and wanted, not actual dysphoria. Attention seeking.) and they need to generalize to convince themselves their feelings matter more than they do. This isn't a place for nuanced discussion. Mentally ill posts get more engagement because most people here are very mentally ill. Just these oxygen thieves to vent. >>39486685>>39486661Women aren't retarded. Stop typing like a retard especially when you know you're wrong, you're not fooling anyone. It isn't cute and as a man I can tell you are trying hard to come off as feminine. That makes me think you're ugly and jealous of women.
>>39486915So as woman yes.>>39486959??I'm literally afab lmfao, wanting to be male is female brained and will always be. You're a man so obviously you can't understand what I'm talking about.
Aha. He finally admits to it.
>>39486574Already tried thisWas literally first logic at repressing>be amab>haha why would anyone need to be gay when i already have a male body of my own>you can just mold your male body into the shape you're attracted toThe problem comes when you want to have a relationship with someone else>shit everyone expects the male presenting male bodied male to be a man>you're actually a female brained bottom>you can wear the mask but you can't play the part
>>39486979Then stop typing like a retard you make women look bad.
>>39486979You don't wanna be a man though. You want to be a chad. Most men are fat and malding
>>39486991>shit everyone expects the male presenting male bodied male to be a manWoman would love that >>39486993Cry harder >>39487002And mtfs don't want to be cishon land whales so?
>>39487020>And mtfs don't want to be cishon land whales so?Wrong. Being a fat woman is the ultimate aspiration.
>>39487020No, cishon land whale is not the average womanFat and malding is the average manMost mtfs would love nothing more than to pass as an average woman. To your point though, the AGP type who wants to be a hot bimbo is extreme male brained.
>>39487064You want to be a fat woman with cute faceEven if the woman isn't fat you still don't want to be a cishon >>39487080>Fat and malding is the average manOnly if average man by your definition is 60y/o obese pig.>To your point though, the AGP type who wants to be a hot bimbo is extreme male brained.So 99% of board lol...
>>39487002>You don't wanna be a man though. >You want to be a man.
>>39487123>You want to be a fat woman with cute faceWell yeah, that's how my transition turned out so I was rather happy with the result.
>>39486574the thing is none of those women who said shit like this ever lived as men and ones who tried don't want to continue. change my mind i also have "oh if i haven't all this shit and was a normal guy i'd so fucking amazing" but doesn't mean i'd live as a man
>>39487145Thank for proving my point >>39487166If you can't pass it's better to continue as woman
>>39487175>Thank for proving my pointIt's not like anyone *wants* to be ugly, regardless of gender.
>>39487175boy, i'm literally amab. i don't understand why you didn't get my point
>>39487020>Woman would love thatthanks for ignoring everything else i wrote and then lying about the one part that can be disproved but is definitely not true based on detrans trends and employment data
>>39487207Cant*
>>39487183Obviously? However it's not hecking valid in my situation I guess.>>39487207Ftms detrans because they realise they can't pass.
>>39487229What does it mean to pass as a male?
Every single woman I've met in my life has unilaterally said they would immediately end their lives if they were male. In my life experience there are almost no women that want to be men
>>39486747>No woman wants to be a woman>No man wants to be a manVery much not true. As someone transitioning MTF, I used to think all guys would become women if they could. They wouldn't.In fact, I've talked to cis people about the effects of HRT on male bodies and T on female bodies. Some were dispassionately interested, but others were grossed out, horrified, and visibly disgusted by imagining the effects of hormone therapy on themselves, saying they could hardly imagine wanting to do that to themselves. Clearly those people wouldn't become the opposite gender given the opportunity.
>>39487312Yeah i used to think that too. It's classic gender dysphoric projection
>>39487229>Ftms detrans because they realise they can't pass.it is unfathomably easy to pass as male. I do trans maxxing tranny boot camp type shit for my friends to help them pass. trans women are the hardest because some times face is just fucked some times but I've gotten them all to minimum twinkhon, trans men with the proper dosage and right gym routine and hair, and some extra chemicals, I've basically turned them all into stealth passers some from the pooniest of poons
>>39487350Based
>>39486574why would they be happy in a male body? that means you get treated like a man all the time which obviously no women actually wants.
>>39486899Why are you so mad at me for trying to help you? You sound very hateful and I sincerely hope that you get help.
>>39486574>>39486606how the fuck are women AAP? i bet she's hardly saying anything at all in op pic. she's probably bragging about liking the outdoors. AAP is a sexual thing; and women don't like to take charge or be seen as masculine in sexual contexts, it's very much the opposite.at other points when women claim to want to be men, it's a form of complaint and voicing a desire for some perceived advantage men have. they don't actually want to be men, and would very likely turn down the offer if it was given to them.>>39487020women don't want to be chad lmao. not unless they're lesbians or something. idk even then.if you're talking about yaoi, most women aren't even into that. the ones who do and self-insert as the men have major hangups. they want to be a man who acts like a woman in pretty much every capacity, essentially recreating heterosexual dynamics. but because it's technically not a woman, they can bypass their self-hatred and insecurity (and resentment of straight men).
>>39487249What does it mean to pass as a female?>>39487282Imaginary women bro>>39487312>Clearly those people wouldn't become the opposite gender given the opportunity.Being horrified by HRT doesn't mean you don't want to be actual opposite gender. They just understand HRT can't give you want you actually want.>>39487350Yeah yeah I'm sure an short feminine afab with small eyes and big hips can pass as man and not as pooner monstrosity!>>39487418They do though
>>39487533I've meet so many women with AAP, have you ever talked to a woman lol>they don't actually want to be men, and would very likely turn down the offer if it was given to them.Actual men or trans men? That's a difference.Rest of post is cope you just don't understand women buddy
>>39487619what is AAP to you?you don't make arguments you just say this every time. i've read a lot of smut written by women and they hardly EVER, EVER write from a dominant perspective.maybe more women would want to be 'transmen', i.e., take t for a while to make their voices deeper or something? if it's ftfemboys, that's exactly what i said about the yaoi discussion-- that's being a man without being a man, it's trying to have your cake and eat it; it's fantasy to escape from perceived misogyny. but very few woman would want to be actual men.
>>39487600>Yeah yeah I'm sure a short feminine afab with small eyes and big hips can pass as man and not as pooner monstrosity!stupid, no one is measuring the size of your eyeball, women's are smaller for their size. the real issue is brow ridge but again with a beard and working out none of these tend to be an issue for the guys I know, no one clocks them after they actually put the work in it's also about presentationboth MTF and FTM tend to not realize how restrictive passing actually is in the aesthetics you can pull off, it's always about highlighting your strong suits and hiding areas where you're weak. I've had to teach almost all of my friends how to dress to pass and basically tailored their gym routine to do this
>>39487676 (me)i've never asked a woman this question before so i did just ask my mum.she said she'd rather not be a man long term but would do it for a short period of time. when i asked what kind of man she'd like to be she said, a family man. when i asked if she could be attracted to a woman like that / perform sexually. she said she'd been with women and it is different (i think implying it's not as enjoyable as being with a man), and then went back on that answer, saying she didn't think it through. then she said, she didn't want to be tied down to traditional things like having a husband or wife. she also said it's more a question teenagers think about.i think this confirms for the most part what i was saying: that women find the idea of being a man in the abstract attractive, because of some perceived benefits (being the well-respected breadwinner), but do not actually want it in reality, and it also has little to no sexual aspects.
>>39487676Nta but AAP is more like a "pride" to me. t. Ftm on t
>>39486574I want to be a rabbit, well mostly no longer human
>>39487600>What does it mean to pass as a female?Easy, malefailing
>>39487676>>39487731Yup spot on and this is why they detrans when they are forced to confront the reality of being a male (non chad fantasy)
>>39487858>malefailingunrealistic goal for 99% of trannies. actually passing is effort with style and makeup primarily, male failing is not something you need to happen to pass as a woman
>>39487898assuming you're using malefailing in the correct way and it's "gendered female while presenting male" btw
>>39486574Wow. That's so stupid that it's actually quite refreshing. Thank you for that.
>>39486574take your shots, ayden
