>>41482082
fuck you

>>41482082
Most troons shouldn't have trooned because they drag down the ones who actually make it. Fewer than 5% of troons actually pass for more than five seconds. Most "stealth passoids" are neither. I don't care if they use HRT or get surgery to treat their dysphoria but they shouldn't apply for legal sex changes if they don't actually pass.

>>41482087
Anything you want me to apologize to you for?

>>41482106
>Most troons shouldn't have trooned because they drag down the ones who actually make it
I dont understand why nonpassing/no effort trans would bring down other trannies? Youre just playing into their game of finding reasons to hate transwomen when you try to segment the "good" ones vs. the "bad" ones.
>>41482106
>Fewer than 5% of troons actually pass for more than five seconds. Most "stealth passoids" are neither. I don't care if they use HRT or get surgery to treat their dysphoria but they shouldn't apply for legal sex changes if they don't actually pass.
True but I dont see why this should prevent them from getting surgeries that they want. Let people do what they please.

i hate myself so much my only happiness is my gf and thats too heavy on her and she cant love me if i dont love myself, what do i do?

>>41482147
You gotta find a lot of little things that make you love yourself, work on them, surround them, and peice them together to help you build your "self esteem".

This is how you look, how you act, how you spend your time, what you watch and what you say. This will not only shape you, but make you feel more fulfilled over time as you start collecting little pieces of love for yourself.

>>41482134
I wrote that I'm fine with them getting surgeries. Their dysphoria is by all accounts awful, and I'm glad that HRT and SRS can alleviate it.

I don't want them equating themselves with troons who actually pass and become legally the opposite sex. Passing post-op troons using female-only spaces upset only weirdos. Non-passing troons using female-only spaces upset normies and end up getting all troons banned regardless of passing.

im a fat tranny and i just cant put the fork down

>>41482155
these posts r lame cuz its Ai. Maybe if u write ur own Pikmin rhymes it would be epic...

>>41482172
>don't want them equating themselves with troons who actually pass and become legally the opposite sex. Passing post-op troons using female-only spaces upset only weirdos. Non-passing troons using female-only spaces upset normies and end up getting all troons banned regardless of passing
You aren't more special because you pass. No woman (or man for that matter) is looking at other women and validating their womanhood by how they look. Usually its a collection of expiriences. Nothing about a trans persons looks is necessarily going to make them more female than someone else.

I get what youre saying, but your chasing a pipe dream if youre hoping that one day fully passing trannies will exclusively and naturally get accepted just the same as cis women. If any non cis women get regarded as actual women, ugly non passing, non gender conforming women will be just as likely to be in those spaces.

Snuffing out people who you think are bad for your optics, is just contributing to the gatekeeping and, in turn, eradication of trans people.

>>41482203
I CAN PUT DOWN THE CUUUUP
hmm. Have you tried fasting?

Did you know that once you get past the first day of not eating (which will be painful), that afterwards you feel fucking AMAZING? Like its genuinely just as potent as taking Adderall (better in my opinion). Very stimulating, energizing and makes you feel smarter. Youre basically just putting your body in ketosis. TRY IT

>>41482225
The point of transition is to improve quality of life, right? I just don't think trying to live as a woman can achieve a net improvement for someone who cannot pass as female.

I'm not saying I'm more special because I pass. I'm the same sex as post-op trans women who don't pass, and that's true regardless of whether you think it's possible to change sex. I'm saying that me being in female-only spaces doesn't cause problems, while them being in female-only spaces does cause problems. It's not fair, but that's the state of the board.

We've seen that society will accept passing trans women before it accepts non-passing trans women. Before 2005 or so, non-passing trans women understood that they shouldn't use female-only spaces, and trans rights were slowly but steadily improving. Passing trans women understood that we're not actually female, and we shouldn't compete in women's sports.

>>41482169
I see what you mean, it's just.. she's what made me the happiest, i should try to find smaller things tho

>>41482292
>The point of transition is to improve quality of life, right? I just don't think trying to live as a woman can achieve a net improvement for someone who cannot pass as female
Yes but your insisting that your definition of "transitioning" is the same as everyone elses, its not. Some people dont feel like they need to voice train to be validated as a woman. Some people truly just want the lifestyle without whatever other superficialities come with it. I might be one of those people.
>We've seen that society will accept passing trans women before it accepts non-passing trans women.
Okay but why is your solution to perpetuate this instead of breaking it down? Why contribute to society's expectations of not only what trans women should be, but essentially women as a whole idea. You feed into that when you insist non passing trans women should opt themselves out for the sake of more refined cultural awareness. Thats not the goal of the people pushing this propoganda, it extends past just "getting the ugly ones out".

I personally dont think any trans fem person has any right to be in a cis female space. I think the main determination of "what is a woman", is weather society saw you and treated you as one from the get go, without persuasion. Thats the only thing that matters when we are shaped as people. A trans woman who transitions out of dysphoria, or gender envy, isnt coming at their "womanhood" the same way as a cis woman is. The trans woman chooses to accept it, while its thrusted onto the woman. And thats usually where peoples trauma comes from, for either gender.

So I do not think that conforming to this current societies expectations of the roles of gender and sex will serve sny benefit to trans people at all. I think its just creating another marginalized group of people for no good reason. I cant see a situation where a female space is more beneficial when its just "passing" women and not just all women of similar life expiriences.

i feel like im a fake person. like idk how to describe this but it feels like everything i do is an attempt to skinwalk a life i havent actually lived. i feel like most (if not all) of my early dysphoria memories (basically the main justification for my mediocre transition) were shoehorned into my past, or were complete exaggerations or reframings of actual memories i have. i feel like i self harm because im supposed to self harm. i tell people ive attempted suicide 4 times but one of them was just me messing around with a noose, two of them had no potential to kill me, and the only one that couldve killed me was a deliberate attempt to be institutionalized, not to kill myself. i feel like i dont actually want to die and i hate that because i hate living. i manipulate online friends into making them do things i want them to do and my only irl friend rarely talks to me and i think she secretly hates me for my fakeness. i cant socialize like a person and i want to be normal so bad but i cant because im fundamentally not human. the worst part is i dont have any significant trauma that could explain this away i think i was born to be something inhuman and im almost convinced a subconscious acknowledgement of this is what drove me to transition. i cant love anyone all i can do is use people for things that "love" is said to provide. im not a man or a woman im a thing thats been pretending to be human since the day i was born.

>>41482425
Like, for a trans woman to really have the same value as a cis woman to me, they should insist on shedding the shackles of the expectations of their role in society, as the majority of cis women want.

Otherwise they are essentially just misogyny fetishists.

File: IMG_5084.jpg (1001 KB, 1320x1153)

1001 KB JPG

>>41482082
>set everything up for a nice night of edging
>cum in like 6 minutes instead
>all sexual desire vanishes forever instantly
>instant depression
>night ruined

>>41482445
>feel like i self harm because im supposed to self harm. i tell people ive attempted suicide 4 times but one of them was just me messing around with a noose, two of them had no potential to kill me, and the only one that couldve killed me was a deliberate attempt to be institutionalized, not to kill myself
You know, even this is concerning even if you dont see it as a deliberate attempt.

To a degree, every single person is putting on an act. I do and say things to get more sympathy out of people. Im not trying to harm or lie to them. Even then, my effort feels more authentic to me in the moment, because it's what I need. If you went to a doctor and had to convince him you needed help, are you going to hope they understand your pain based of the boxes you marked, or are you going to really express to them how much its been hurting you?

Dont feel bad for needing things. To be a human requires you to have "nutrients" from a number of sources: food, love, comfort, saftey. And you will do what you have to to achieve that, and that is valid. Even if there's no clear goal in mind, every choice you make is shaping you into someone who is self sufficient, and that may feel very inauthentic for the first while, but its something you should be doing to end up in a more self-fulfilled person.

Dont feel like you're doing this because of some infliction on the way that you are. You could be lacking something some crucial nutrient, like a friend who reminds you that youre worth it, or someone who relies on you to make them feel safer.

Im not sure anything I said helped, but please remember that you are worth it. Youre allowed to feel and operate how you need to make yourself secure.

File: 6128606618_17c409855f_c.jpg (257 KB, 800x666)

257 KB JPG

>>41482543
>cum in like 6 minutes instead
>>all sexual desire vanishes forever instantly
>>instant depression
>>night ruined
WHAT
Sometimes I HATE that I feel horny and have to masturbate. And if I dont finish at that first moment where I could finish, I am just furious with myself. Its just such a stupid waste of time and finishing sooner feels just as good, if not better, as finishing later.

>>41482620
Nah, the enjoyable part of it is between full arousal and the first 0.3s of climax, when you briefly get to be a retarded animal enjoying something in and of itself.
By the time the orgasm is even half over all the joy is gone and my brain goes “kill yourself kill yourself kill yourself” for an hour until it stabilizes.
If I’m not taking my time there’s no point.

>>41482700
>the enjoyable part of it is between full arousal and the first 0.3s of climax, when you briefly get to be a retarded animal enjoying something in and of itself
Noo this part just makes me overthink 20x and feel super embarrassed with myself. Im exclusively thinking about how gross I look in this moment.

>>41482700
>By the time the orgasm is even half over all the joy is gone and my brain goes “kill yourself kill yourself kill yourself” for an hour until it stabilizes.
This just sounds like a dopamine overdose from edging and porn.

>>41482543
>>41482700
Why not just nut multiple times?

>>41482738
://///////
not everyone is on estrogen anon

>>41482738
Refractory period and it just isn’t any good more than once a day.

>>41482755
You don't need to be on estrogen to do it.

>>41482762
>it just isn’t any good more than once a day.
Damn this dude is a cum connoisseur

>>41482776
>You don't need to be on estrogen to do it
Oh fuck yeah you do. Testosterone is one and done.

File: 1758492375035591.jpg (119 KB, 735x732)

119 KB JPG

I'm shriveling up without sex, but my partner is asexual and I don't want pity sex, I want to be lusted over, I want to be manhandled, I want to see pure lust for me in the eyes of whoever is fucking me
But it's not worth ending the relationship over the lack of sex, I've already ran the numbers. It's just a dull ache I'm trying to learn to live with

>>41482786
adderall cancels out the refractory period, fyi

>>41482786
That's not my experience.

>>41482586
but the problem is i think my fakeness comes across to other people, not to mention i feel terrible about lying to people about really serious and sensitive stuff like that. i feel like i would lie about being raped or smth if it got me a good outcome, which imo is an immoral thing to do. i have a hard time socializing and i get in my head and whatever. idk this is getting all ramble-y and idk what my original point even was but none of my life feels genuine, it feels like a story im acting out. like theres some audience to my life somehow even tho im fully aware its just me. also im not worth it and i hate when ppl (esp friends) imply that bc it means i have to trust them less. i know for a fact that something is fundamentally wrong with me

>>41482804
>>41482805 here. I've never taken adderall.

>>41482804
>>41482804
>adderall cancels out the refractory period
HELL NO. That just makes my dick stay hard even after I stop
>>41482805
>>41482813
Well, youre magical then. Idk

>>41482817
For the longest time I thought other men were just lazy.

>>41482809
>none of my life feels genuine, it feels like a story im acting out. like theres some audience to my life somehow even tho im fully aware its just me
Im not in as deep as you but I have felt like this throughout my life to a small degree. Im sure a lot of people do, feeling like theyre the main character, wondering what theyll say in their life interview 20 years from now. I know thats not even s fraction of how youre feeling, but Im saying that other people probably have their moments where they feel very inauthentic for the wrong reasons.

>>41482830
>For the longest time I thought other men were just lazy
For not going twice?? That would have been completely impossible to me pre-e.

>>41482849
For not going half a dozen times.

>>41482817
No way man I've jerked myself raw for days on adderall

Maybe it only works if you do a lot of THC at the same time because I did that also

>>41482859
Although realistically I just have a very high libido because I can do it 3 or 4 times a day sometimes without even trying

>>41482082
I had a brief fling with one of my friends (nothing insane either, second base) in august, she had just gotten out of a long term relationship. A few weeks and I came on to strong by saying id be interested in a relationship whenever she was ready. We stopped soon after cause she said she wasn't ready and wanted to focus on uni and didnt want to mess things up. We are still good friends but I have longed to return to her side since. It hurts more because she is dealing with friends who are interested in her and she does not feel the same way and has complained how tiresome it is. I have not made a peep about my feelings but it just hurts so bad. I dont want to be another problem for her. I wouldnt want her to think Im just her friend because of my feelings for her. I want to be back in her arms.

>>41482859
You shouldn’t do that. I’ve known two people that gave themselves schizophrenia doing that.

>>41482851
okay ur fucking with me now
>>41482859
Nah I smoke like a chimney and will zone out on Adderall too. I get how you can edge for hours on that shit but, not cum multiple times. Sounds painful at a certain point.
>>41482870
crazy

>>41482894
Nope. I remember the first time, thinking "Why do I have to stop now?" It turned out I didn't have to.

>>41482883
>I have not made a peep about my feelings but it just hurts so bad. I dont want to be another problem for her. I wouldnt want her to think Im just her friend because of my feelings for her. I want to be back in her arms.
I really think people should just confess how they feel to other people. But NEVER expect anything out of it, other than your own relief and piece of mind. My friend did this in highschool with one of our mutual friends and I think it benefited him a lot, to not be thinking "what if" forever.

>>41482887
First of all, I'd have it already because I'm at the age where it would start and I've also done a shit load of other psychoactive drugs and have noticed no schizophrenia. Secondly, I don't do it much anymore. Maybe once a year if that. More because I find overuse fucks with my dopamine levels and I don't want to wear out my heart abusing stims.

>>41482907
You sure love cooming anon

>>41482925
Orgasming feels good. Why wouldn't I enjoy it?

>>41482938
It sounds more like you're infatuated with it

>>41482955
It's healthier than drugs, and self-limiting because after a point it becomes kind of dull.

>>41482918
>I really think people should just confess how they feel to other people
I want to agree with you but
>other than your own relief and piece of mind
it just feels too selfish. That im getting my feelings off my chest and now my friend has to deal with that because I dont want to.
Its not like I'll never tell her, but now is not the time. Shes dealing with too much right now.

>>41482982
>It's healthier than drugs,
Guess you're right
>Drags joint and hacks up a loogie

>>41482082
I cant get a job, I failed highschool and I cant go anywhere else

****My parents are cutting my phone line if anyone wants to call me for shits and giggles****

480-322-3007

>>41482997
Yeah you are right, dont oush it on her if shes doing through stuff. But eventually, just tell her. She coild be feeling the same way and waiting only amounts to lost time.

>>41483006
>I cant get a job, I failed highschool and I cant go anywhere else
Ima be honest, Im probably the worst person to help you with this
>>41471867

Just stsy in there and keep trying anything and everything you can, even if its miniscule. Keep planting seeds, you'll never know what grows. And do what ya damn love!

>>41482922
> have noticed no schizophrenia
Lmao do you think the guys I know know they’re schizophrenic?

>>41483660
Yeah there are symptoms retard

I'm not an isolated shut-in, if I start hearing things that no one else does I'll go to the fucking doctor

>>41483027
you are just another racist attention whore with nothing of worth to say

>>41482082
I'm desperate to lose weight but I can't get myself to diet, workout, or stay sober for more than a few days at a time

>>41482082
My trans guy repper friend is in an open relationship with a straight cis man (who he’s not attracted to). He’s allowed to fuck cis women but not trans women. Also bro doesn’t want him ever going on T. But…when he visited me irl we kind of cuddled and made out and I let him grope my boobs. Now he’s in trouble with the boyfriend. We decided we shouldn’t kiss anymore and it’s hurting my heart. How do I get over him?

>>41482082
my bideltoid is about 16.5 inches while i have 13 inch wide hips and im skinny i want to kms

>>41485734
Your scrawny shoulders sound yummy

>>41485471
Im not racist in the slightest lmfao. I stick my neck out for the disadvantaged 10/10 times and will sacrifice peoples perception of me to fight racist peices of shit.
So, Im sorry I called a racist the N word lol.

Dont assume anon! <3

>>41485622
Read this comment I made about losing weight. >>41482225
>hmm. Have you tried fasting?
>Did you know that once you get past the first day of not eating (which will be painful), that afterwards you feel fucking AMAZING? Like its genuinely just as potent as taking Adderall (better in my opinion). Very stimulating, energizing and makes you feel smarter. Youre basically just putting your body in ketosis. TRY IT
>>41485717
That sounds extremely complicated. I dont think your friend should even be in that relationship.
>>41485734
Please find something more productive to spend your time on

>>41485763
>So, Im sorry I called a racist the N word lol.
You called your own mother the N word because she failed your snow-white aryan purity test. That would make you the n word too as her progeny. Racist and DUMB AS HELL is an iconic duo.

>>41485777
>snow-white aryan purity
?????????????????? I fucking despise white people lmfao. I am the #1 race traitor. Are you sure youre talking about me?

>>41485821
you are acting so white rn

>>41485829
Kill the white devil

>>41485829
https://youtu.be/Q-GPzEchJSI
FUCK WHITE PEOPLE
FUCK THOSE CRACKER BASTARDS
FUCK EM RIGHT IN THE ASS
KILL THE WHITE DEVIL
FUCK WHITE PEOPLE
KILL WHITE PEOPLE

>>41485849
>>41485871
behold, the mustard race

>>41485821
White woman behavior

>>41486583
White people are not the master race, why are you just ignoring what the fuck I'm literally typing.

What's the point of even talking people if you just operate on your assumptions

>>41486588
Kill all whites

>>41486588
Checked 88 heil hitler

File: a-bunch-of-pumpkins-in-a-box.jpg (125 KB, 1100x826)

125 KB JPG

Okay I'll bite.

I'm with someone that is bad for me, have been for 3 years now. We have a kid together and that kid is my whole entire world. But my partner is abusive, they drink constantly(they are admittedly an alcoholic) they constantly promise to stop but dont. They are mean af to me every single time something goes wrong, and yes it is always my fault, they have hit me several times in the past but not recently. They rape me constantly. Weird to admit that, but I'm more often than not forced into helping them masturbate or having sex i dont want. Anyways we did break up about 6 months ago and I got my own place and after 2 months of them manipulating me into thinking they aren't drinking and haven't been dating around and calling me to talk to our kid but then insisting on us talking longer I caved and started seeing them again. It was nice, for a couple weeks.
Turned out they had sex constantly with other Trans girls and drank daily and gaslit me.

I'm exhausted with this relationship.
I want to leave, I dont see a future.
But I fear the fallout, I fear the mind games. I hate ripping off this bandaid. Oh they also control my family/friendship relationships i have. My kid has only seen my mom once in 3 or 4 months bc of them.

I feel like I'm going crazy. A part of me is afraid of being alone bc of the anxiety I get but this has to be worse.

Anyways. Yeah. How do I leave? I want to but I feel frozen and default to appeasing them constantly. I have become someone I am not.

>>41486789
Genuinely find another relationship, or friendship, to rely on. Like dont just bail and be alone if you cant handle it, find someone else first who can help support you while you rip the band-aid off.

sorry if thats not great help. You situation is tough, but not impossible. Remember your kid will fuel your urge to keep going and find a better place for yourself. Do it for them.

>>41482082
I WISH MY MOM DIED

>>41486824
Me too

>>41482082
im so insecure to talk because im afraid my voice doesnt pass even though my speech therapist said it does (im also esl and autistic so that doesnt help)
what would jesus do?

>>41486824
>>41487134
I love my mom I hope she lives forever

>>41487356
Voice chat with that guy you've been messaging so he can tell you how your voice sounds cute, that's what Jesus would do

>>41487941
I'm not interested in him, and I feel like the stakes are so high that he would clock me. Especially since I've spouted random transphobic stuff.

>>41487356
>what would jesus do?
probably wouldn't voice train. >>41487956
Find someone that you can use as practice. Just sacrifice your humility for your future benefit.

>>41488450
But you have to go all in. Like find someone online or in person, under the pretenses that you are a girl and talk like such. You have to learn to deal with the "embarrassment", don't half ass it and find someone who knows youre voice training.

>>41488464
But if they know then how do I know they wont hugbox me?

>>41488585
No Im saying make sure you find someone who doesnt know. Dont half ass it. Just find a practice person that you will feel comfortable "ruining" the relationship with.

>>41488599
I mean I do talk with my girl vioce in person but I dont think I pass because Im too flat + male face. Im getting BA soon but it wont be enough, not much you can do about that. But Ill just have to try to bare through it and do what you said lol

>>41482082
venting welcome

Most trannies should just give up and stick to CDing in private so everyone else doesn't have to see them.

>>41491259
kinda agree except for the last part. most trannies should just Cd because actually transitioning serves no benefit. It doesnt relieve disphoric feelings.

Unconventional/unattractive people have a right to exist in the publics eye

I want to move out of my parents house (im 21 and its rly pathetic) and i have a job that pays relatively well but idk how im gonna tell my parents iwanna move to another city (with a higher crime rate) and i will secretly be doing hormones there but idk if i should start hormoes now or do it later in that city also idk how i will be able to balance my lifestyle in that city and also present normally to my parents. i dont wanna run away or cut them off or stupid shit like that but i dont wanna come out i wanna keep it private idk

>>41491281
also i am on facebook tryna find queer roomates for what its worth

I hate being a woman but I'm more successful as a woman than I was as a man financially and romantically.

My doctor refuses to prescribe me Adderall and insists on pushing SSRIs on me instead

>>41491361
grim

>>41482082
I'm a repper and living as a man is actual hell, but due to unfortunate factors outside of my control transitioning isn't an option for me.
I truly wish that I was dead but I can't even kms because it would ruin my parents' lives

>>41491361
They want something else to prescribe so it doesnt seem like theyre just shoveling Adderall to a kid. Just buy the ssri for a while, dont actually take it, and then let them know that you're still having attention issues. If you actually want Adderall you have to make it seem like its kiiiinda life or death for you. Like say that you job or school is on the line if you dont get it. Please don't be pushy though, respect their practice, they have do to things a specific way.

>>41491281
>>41491281
>want to move out of my parents house (im 21 and its rly pathetic)
dont worry, im 27 and just got kicked out by my parents. yes, it is pathetic.

Ima be real and use you as the past version of myself, given that I fucked up trying to do every single thing you listed and ended up sleeping in my car

Just accept the pain. Realize that absolutely nothing is guaranteed expect for pain and growth and that's okay. You will fuck up but that just teaches you want not to do next time. You will make mistakes and feel embarrassed but all of that is fleeting, because when you make it to the otherside you'll wonder why it even mattered. It wont even make sense to you. And just stop thinking, and planning, and reiterating, and considering. None of that will help you, all of that is just pain avoidance management.

I'm desperately in love with my friend, who is not attracted to my gender, and I wish I wasn't. I don't think they have any idea

File: IMG-1909.jpg (254 KB, 750x432)

254 KB JPG

HRT at 16 everyone told me its guna be a ok!

Im a manmoder now for 2 years

>>41482082
I have no ability to trust any other women as a trans women, my hearts just been stabed too many times. Its so funny to me that I ended up being sexually attracted to other women, what a sick fucking joke. I have a pretty good copping mechanism so I won't self harm because of it.

>>41482082
You are really in no position to be giving anyone advice and should probably be asking others for advice urgently.

>>41491881
Puberty is pretty much done by age 16.

File: IMG_5966.jpg (74 KB, 498x553)

74 KB JPG

>>41482543
Update: it happened again

>>41482543
>>41492649
This is a win to me at this point. I've sent years gooning for 3+ hours a night and the net result was that I literally lost the ability to socialize because I hadn't watched a TV show or played a video game for years so I had nothing in common to chat about.

If you are serious about making the goon last I recommend camgirls. An expensive habit, but way easier to not cum when someone will call you a sissy if you do.

>>41492722
>>41482543
>>41492649
Goon discord vcs might be able to give you a free version, but then you have to deal with the kind of ilk that attracts

>>41492722
>>41492765
get a freakin hobby!!!!

File: 20250911_163401.jpg (1.73 MB, 3648x2736)

1.73 MB JPG

>>41492168
>You are really in no position to be giving anyone advice and should probably be asking others for advice urgently.
I am one of God's perfect angels :)

>>41482172
i sort of agree with this view point and is why i will never use women's spaces because i'm a gigahon