as a trans guy i think that trans girls who are into st4t are quite literally angels bought down to earth and if anything ever happens to them i will walk outside and light myself on fire
>>41485772please let me stick my dick in your pussy?
>>41485772they are men who want to rape your pussy
Troony plap poonah = greatest trans pairing?!
>>41485802>>41485820>>41485836yeah i did set myself up for these replies didn't ii should have specified bottom mtfs
>>41485862they'll eventually leave for real cock
>>41485877some might, others won't. so i'll take my chances
>>41485882there are two sexualities: people who like dick and people who like women.
>>41485882some mtfs prefer relationships over sex anyways and ftms make great partners
>>41485919no real man should settle for a sexless betabuxxing relationship.
>>41485940who hurt you faggot?>>41485919i'll take that. i mean i like sex too but it's not the be all end all
>>41485940>betabuxxingWell, without this. Thats just laziness and it goes both ways.
>>41485950>i mean i like sex too but it's not the be all end allWhat is sex to you if you want a bottom mtf gf? Not asking rudely just curious on your take
>>41485959if you expect to be provided for you should put out every now and then.
>>41485820I would sooner get SRS than willingly use my penis in that way>>41485896Three, because bisexuals like both.Also plenty of people genuinely appreciate the male form, not just the penis.
>>41485950>who hurt you faggot?"t4t" trannies.
>>41485968???? neither parties should be lazy and "expect to be provided for" lmfao.
>>41485991then what should happen?
>>41486013anon what on earth are you talking about. both sides of a relationship should be equal. this isnt the fucking 1940s.
>>41486032you still havent explained
>>41486046explain what?????? ive asked you 3 times to explain what the fuck youre talking about, and all you reply with is subtly-misogynistic shit. I have 0 idea what you are talking about or asking me.
>>41485772>angelsangels don't have wide shoulders or cone tits though
>>41486068what should a relationship look like?
>>41486092A st4t relationship? Uhh just two happy people doing their thing. It can look like anything idgaf. I hate heteronormativity though and dont think one persons in the relationship gets to be the lazy one. Learn to, like, fucking talk.
>>41486092Also because I answered nicely, can you please tell me what country you are from.
>>41486138i can communicate well and have never had any problems with it. unless an ftm is asexual, a relationship without sex is no good for him. and if he gets with somebody "willing" to have sex with him despite the lack of attraction to him they will start calling it rape by coercion if he asks just a little too much. most women need affection and most men need sex, if either party fails it is a bad relationship doomed to fail.
>>41485772i love my ftm bf he understands how to get me off better than anyone else (i am post op)
>>41486150you insulted me by calling me misogynist for asking you to elaborate. that was not nice
>>41486202Hey fuck head none of this applies to me or makes sense to anyone but yourself. You just wasted your time typing a paragraph that doesnt even make sense, just so you can be misogynistic. You incels should be round up and mass executed
>>41485772i think of transwomen in the same way. and you and other transmen as their brothers. we are like one big hecking family.
>>41486220>Then his next reply was, yet again, being a misogynistic piece of shit I'm going to assume you're from like Pakistan or some other third world country where you are brain-raped with the idea that you need to be abusing women 24/7
>>41486228whats so misogynistic about what i said? explain instead of insulting me.im not an incel but why should males who are virgins be killed? how young is too young for the incel genocide you want?
>>41485877True/factual.
>>41486237i dont abuse women, i dont hate women, i dont feel entitled to women. i just expect a woman to love and desire me in a relationship
I know who you are and I've talked to you before. You never talk directly about what you're applying to, you just use other people's posts to spread your weird misogynistic preconceptions. You're not even talking about what this thread is, you just brought it to your own feelings about why you should feel entitled to abuse women
Don't be silly. We shall die in battle together.
>>41485862You'd still get it even if you did specify bottom MTFs it's ok.
Cock is not that great you guys are just gay. Iv tried so many times to like it. A ftm top is ideal
>>41486300this is my first time talking about this on 4chan so im not as rare as you think. just quote what ive said that is "misogynistic" and i will explain that its not misogynistic or i will realize it is and change. i think i am being reasonable compared to you.
>>41485772I need a clocky MTF gf to provide for. I love women so much. -Bisexual T4T
>>41486313What is your opinion here even I lost track.
>>41486331at least SOME other men want to provide for their girlfriend instead of mooching
>me: all people should be equal and have equal responsibilities>him: women owe me more than I owe them. I am being the most reasonable hereok
>>41485772> Aa! Megamisama!That one I didn't read in a long time, also Belldandy-sama is a goddess, not an angel (Holy Bell/Blesséd Bell - depending on the translation is her angel)>>41485772Are you a standard issue gock chaser or do you also accept post-op trannies?>>41486213^This desu.Goddess, I still remember sex with my ftm bf 10 years ago.
>>41486342quote my posts directly and start explaining your side
>>41486348i think relationships should not be onesided and you think both parties should act identically. equity vs equality.
>>41486342He keeps changing it so he can find a way to be hateful to women. ------Literally the only point I have to make is that both parties should be equal. I have 0 other points to make. That is my only point That is all I have said. That is my one point only to make, my only thought I have on this scenario is that.There is no more information to extract from me anon. Sorry you disagree with that somehow.You have some severe fucking autism
>>41486351>Are you a standard issue gock chaser or do you also accept post-op trannies?Not OP but I jerk off to post op trans women specifically. It's almost embarrassing I'm just an. Extremely stereotypical straight man into some pretty normal shit. I would be quite boring if I was cis. So maybe that is reassuring to you in some way that there are very much straight trans men into ST4T. I don't see the same from MTFs though.
>>41486369THANK YOUBut apparently is it a malebrained/controversial option now?
41486369You said the same thing there. I don't think I disagree with anything you said in that post. How fried are you?
>>41486373my only point is that relationships should be equitable. you keep screeching about misogyny yet i dont hate women.
>>41486410oh damnit's the tranny that lives in a car trunk
B-b-b-baitCheck out my thread >>41471867
>>41486358My opinion is that I like women & feeling strong and capable by taking care of them & dislike the inverse because it is immasculating.>no real man should settle for a sexless betabuxxing relationshipMostly I just don't understand this sentance I'm a bit retarded.
Glad we agree anon :)
>>41486410if you dont disagree then are you misogynistic too?are you new to 4chan? when replying just put ">>" before a post id and it will turn into a green link people can click on.
>>41486427>Mostly I just don't understand this sentance I'm a bit retarded.He's insinuating that all afabs are lazy and will take on the submissive role in the relationship. Betabuxx is money (bux) that women get from their "beta" husbands. He's an incel
>b-b-but you HAVE to tag my posts and give me (you)s.....
>>41486427a real man will keep his sexual needs in mind while selecting a woman instead of trying to buy sex with money. it becomes financial abuse and can be him witholding needed money from the woman or the woman draining his money. betabuxxing is paying for sex the woman doesnt want to give naturally. if you are asexual or get off to giving your partner money then this doesnt apply to you. in a relationship where a man wants to be sexually fulfiilled and a woman wants to be provided for, equity is key. not everyone wants to be a sexless dual income household.
>>41486449Ohhhh. TY nona :)
>>41486460i thought you were new and needed help. you are just chasing your own tail instead of chasing happiness.
>>41486485i dont hate afabs and i dont hate women. you are frantic about something that isnt happening.
>>41486390everyone assumes you hate any other way of living if you say this is the way you want to live
>>41486482> in a relationship where a man wants to be sexually fulfiilled and a woman wants to be provided for, equity is key.> not everyone wants to be a sexless dual income household.Oh my fucking Goddess. Grow the fuck up. It's not the '40s anymore.And if you don't want your dual-income household to be sexless, share paid AND unpaid work. If I need to carry ALL unpaid work (cooking, cleaning, shopping, vacation planning, childrearing, elder care) PLUS shoulder half of the paid work, something will need to give. If me and my husband acts as a team in paid AND unpaid, we would act as a team in the bed, too.
>>41486482I mean yeah it seems quite normal to want a woman that will have sex with you. Sortof the insurmountable barrier for FTMs [assuming you aren't a theyfab bottom that likes being seen as a woman]
>>41486521"in a relationship where" not every relationship. i understand you have trouble not thinking in extremes but i am willing to be patient with you.
>>41486533If a woman wants money in exchange for sex, she's a prostitute, simple as.
what happened to my beautiful thread
>>41486521if i work full time to provide for the home i want my wife to wife to work full time maintaining the home i provide for. id see her work as real work even though its in the home, you think housework is just a few chores that can be summed up in a few hours after a full shift. equity is me doing my outside work and her doing her inside work so our lives are synergized.
>>41486561you didn't want my dick in your pussy :(
>>41486544You are the one that brought up financials though. Is it bad to want a woman who actually likes fucking you, & is not entirely incompitant financially?
>>41486561jealous "girlboss" beldams got to it sorry.
>>41486387> I don't see the same from MTFs though.As in straight/bi trans women into st4t? Or straight/bi trans women into postop (meta or phallo) FtMs in general, regardless of the MtF's op (pre-op, nil-depth or post-op) status?
>>41486561Incelanon shit it up with his stubborn preconceived notions that he refuses to accept not everyone in the fucking world thinks is real. Dude's brain is stuck decades in the past and can't even read what's directly fucking in front of him
>>41486572NTA can rapehons ever learn to shut the fuck up.
>>41486572why would i? that's disgusting
>>41486577its not bad, you can have that if you both want. i never said it was bad. you have said my ideal relationship dynamic was bad and i said an abusive relationship dynamic was bad
>>41486582>>incelanononly one of us is "very ugly and very lonely repressing myself and sleeping in the trunk of a car" and its not me.
That's not what an incel is anon
>>41486586>>41486589>OMG I LOVE TRANS GIRLS GUYS :DDDDDD>trans girl loves you back>EW GROSS INCEL RAPEHON FAGGOT FUCK OFF MOIDwhy are trans men like this
>>41486581Straight women into trans men AS MEN & not as uwu cuntboys. As well as enjoy phallo & wouldn't be a bitch about a man getting it. Bi women are out because I think it's just impossible for them to veiw FTMs as real men.I just want to become as close to cis as possible. & That seems impossible relationship wise unless you get phallo & go stealth with a cis woman you never tell. But I don't like cis women..
41486606>has to misrepresent everything he can to feel good about himself
>>41486605uuuu im so ugleeeeee and lonelieeeeeeee i must take it out on straight people
>>41486607phallo is pretty polarizing
>>41486606>heterosexual man expresses intrest in heterosexual women>"let me stick my uwu girlcock in your heckin breedable boycunny">is rightfully told "she" is being disgusting & entirely off topic>"wehhhh why r heckin THEYFABS so hostile i just love boipussy!!"Shocker, but transsexuals do not like being reduced to their genitals for the entertainment of fetishists.
>>41486606because most are respectable men who want to be the man in the relationship, not a betabuxxer or a hole to fuck.
>>41486632What. Im probably straight myself, maybe, i dont fucking know. I actually don't think the vast majority of the planet is straight at all. I've never once thought about somebody as a "straight person"
>>41486640Yeah and it shouldn't be. If you have a competant surgeon it looks great. And even entirely botched results would be substantially better then a random oozing hole.
>>41486643you cannot be straight and manly as a trans man or else the beldam brigade will call you an incel.
>>41486653i agree, i always say they look as normal or as weird as cis dicks can be.
>>41486561Derailed, sorry, and none of the anons know who is who.But thank you for posting Ah! My Goddess! I'm in my yearly re-read. I thought none on /a/ liked that manga.>>41486607Post-phallo and stealth... Unless phallo tissue harvesting improved radically in the last decade or two...> Bi women are out because I think it's just impossible for them to veiw FTMs as real men.I thought we were talking about st4t? Why would a mtf think that a ftm is a woman, especially if said ftm accepts her as a woman?> Straight women into trans men AS MEN & not as uwu cuntboysFtms I know are manlier than most cis men I know of + great in sex due to having been afab>>41486640Basically this.But I can understand dysphoria, and I don't have a perfect vag either, so... yeah.
>>41486651thats because you think of everyone as misogynists and pickme girls
>>41486654>beldam brigadeReally fascinating phrase thank you.Also yeah being straight & masculine as a trans man does actually make you an incel. As demonstrated everywhere you eaither like cis men or you like women. & Trans men will never be cis. You can be a woman as a trans woman but not vice versa. Phallo is just "never good enough" for cock obsessed husstussies looking to validate their femininity with a nazi conservative husband
>pickme girlsI have 0 idea where this came into play And nah that dudes just a misogynist Lmfao
>>41486660>Post-phallo and stealth... Unless phallo tissue harvesting improved radically in the last decade or two..Begging you to do 2 secconds of research on what good phallo results look like. r/phallo best : all time is RIGHT there. Many many men report being able to stealth full cock & balls out amongst cis men & in transphobic enviornments. Phallo is good.
>>41486660>I thought we were talking about st4t? Why would a mtf think that a ftm is a woman, especially if said ftm accepts her as a woman?97% of "ST4T" is just detrans bioessentialist pregnancy kink about "futa" cock breeding "fakeboys". The ammount of "masc" [even at the loosest possible definition] sexual content of FTMs is notoriously barren.Just objectively, statistically speaking, if a woman is saying "FTM" shes probably talking about a cuntboy characature of one. It is unfathomably difficult and rare to find MTFs that are genuinely bottom dysphoric & that don't expect you to bottom.It's all really agonizing. Not even other trannies can veiw you as the proper gender, completely and fully.
^ holy fuck kill yourself dude
>>41486715>>41486740What's wrong about it. Have you looked outside ever? Please quote your replies it is very hard to follow. If you just reply by clicking on the post number it does it for you. It isn't difficult.
>PLEASE GIVE ME A (YOU)>PLEEEEEAAAAAASEEEEE
>>41486691I'll believe you. Especially since you guys seem to like Prof. Đordevič. And since lat and abdominal flaps were invented which is not as creepy as seeing guys with the standard issue arm graft scar.>>41486715> 97% of "ST4T" is just detrans bioessentialist pregnancy kink about "futa" cock breeding "fakeboys"Thank Goddess I don't have a cock anymore. I admit that when I did, I was like that. Needed an orchi to set me straight.> It is unfathomably difficult and rare to find MTFs that are genuinely bottom dysphoricCalled post-op. Like with ftms.>>41486678> You can be a woman as a trans woman but not vice versaYes, exactly:> Bone-dry franken-vags> Labiae minor (and the lack of)> Cone clitty> No internal ribbing> No pelvic muscle exercises> Ribcage> Shoulder> Height> Jaws>>41486643> Shocker, but transsexuals do not like being reduced to their genitals for the entertainment of fetishists.Tell that to the mtf chasers loving "gock" also?>>41486607> I just want to become as close to cis as possible. & That seems impossible relationship wise unless you get phallo & go stealth with a cis woman you never tell.Change the genders and...I understand you.
>>41486834>Called post-op. Like with ftms.Many people are still waiting on surgery. Given that I am still atleast 2 years off from phallo it would be mean I think to have that standard. As long as she is actively pursuing it, & doesn't want any "masculine" interactions with her natal genitals [IE : I'm ok with treating it like a clit or W/e but I am not sucking someone off.] then I can cope in the meanwhile.As it is though I will likely just have to be celibate until probably 2 years or so after stage2 phallo. So next 5 years probably. Agonizing.> Bone-dry franken-vagsLube & it's not like I'm better. Also I look at SRSussy on the regular I think they look great.> No internal ribbingI don't even think you get that much texture differenciation with phallo although I may be wrong. The descriptions of erotic sensation many guys give is a little vauge.> No pelvic muscle exercisesWhy would I care?> RibcageMy ribcage is terrible.> ShoulderMy shoulders are terrible.> HeightMy height is terrible witch is arguably much more unnattractive then a girl that's a little tall.> JawsFFS but also frankly women overexaggerate alot with this. I think it's significantly less gross then my disgusting short midface & lack of browbone.
>>41486834Also full (you) sweep very impressive.
>>41487259> Many people are still waiting on surgery.True, especially phallo is 2/3-phase, vaginoplasty is 1 phase (2 if fucked up). Before my SRS, I thought I won't have it for a decade or more. Had it 3-ish years in?> As long as she is actively pursuing itPost-ops count right?> As it is though I will likely just have to be celibate until probably 2 years or so after stage2 phallo.Feel for you anon-kun, especially that I know first hand what T is doing to one's sex drive.> The descriptions of erotic sensation many guys give is a little vauge.Not that I'm better. Probably nerve clusters are fucked up.> Why would I care?Thought you weren't that anon, lesbos usually do. Since you're a man, that doesn't count. Maybe tightness, idk.> then a girl that's a little tall.Try 6'+> I think it's significantly less gross then my disgusting short midface & lack of browbone.You have the advantage of wearing facial hair. Well-groomed facial hair is sexy and hot. Mtfs? Fucked through and through if not for the magic that is called concealer.>>41487217> Also full (you) sweep very impressive.I aim to please but.> Trans men will never be cis. You can be a woman as a trans woman but not vice versa.That's your dysphoria speaking st4t anon-kun.
>41486068>what??????>all you reply with is subtly-misogynistic shit>41486138>I hate heteronormativity though>Learn to, like, fucking talk.>41485991>???? lmfao>41486228>Hey fuck head>just so you can be misogynistic.>You incels should be round up and mass executed>41486237>being a misogynistic piece of shit>41486300>feel entitled to abuse women>41486449>afabs>He's an incelHoly foidbabble. Could you be anymore of a man-hating rape victim? >>41486415>you keep screeching about misogynyOf course, because xe is a woman who must defend her virtuous wombynhood against everything which she can even vaguely contort into being le heckin misogyny
>>41487359>Post-ops count right?Yes I love SRSussy but most girls at that point in their transition are very beautiful and very out of my league.>Try 6'+I don't know. I can still easily see a girl that is tall as still submissive & feminine. But can't with men. Being strong & large is a requirement for being masculine. I don't like when men are small and skinny they are like strange insects to me. It feels unnatural.>Mtfs? Fucked through and through if not for the magic that is called concealer.I don't know. Is seeing trans women as women very hard? Sounds stupid but it's majority the personality & voice for me. It comes naturally to some girls, but also can be changed completely & fully with enough effort.>Well-groomed facial hair is sexy and hot.On cis men. Even if it's a well maintained attractive beard or something it looks disgusting when paired with pooner eyes. And even if I somehow got FMS witch will never happen, I couldn't even fix it properly.>That's your dysphoria speaking st4t anon-kunI don't know thats also the widely held popular opinion. There is not a question of weather cis men are men. & With trans women, who can genuinely look at someone that just entirely looks like a woman, & still totally interally in their mind say "Ah yes, this is exactly the same as a roided up gigamale rapist."? It just doesn't make sense.
>>41487679>Holy foidbabble. Could you be anymore of a man-hating rape victim?im a male>>41471867
>>41485772are masc/androgynous trans guys that want to date trans girls even a thing? ive always found a certain appeal to st4t on a spiritual level but they all want PIV and I don't want that. I just want to be taken by a testosteronized trans guy who's discovering his perverse male lust and possessiveness over me before taking my virginity and then we get married & maybe have a family & grow old together ;-; a hopeless fantasy when ur a broken tranny ig
>>41487721>>>41471867Linked the wrong thread or did you just not use your name there?If thats actually true though, then I suppose congrats on being incredibly soulpassing, even if it is in the most whiny-whore way possible. You are still wrong though and very much just trying construe any little thing you can into misogyny, where it absolutely isnt.
>>41487802WHY DO THEY ALL WANT PIVWHY AM I AS A TOP TRANS MAN DOOMED TO BE ALONE AND THESE FAGS ARE GETTING THE CHANCE TO EVEN LOOK A TRANS WOMAN IN THE EYEFUCK
>>41487802Me.However I need to become less of a schizophrenic incel & lift moar before any woman would even consider me.
>>41487821If you go further in, I started using my name. Thanks for validating me you misogynistic loser
>>41487802>are masc/androgynous trans guys that want to date trans girls even a thing?Thats literally what the whole thread has been about>they all want PIVAnyone who wants male dick in their female vagina, is a woman, plain and simple. Problem is a good amount of people who call themselves 'FTM', especially online, are just that>hopeless fantasy when ur a broken tranny igTo be fair, most things in that regard are pretty hopeless when youre transexual, thats just how it is. Obviously finding someone else who has a rare medical condition alike yours, and is also legitimately compatible with you, is always going to be difficult. Definitely not impossible though, you just need to be a lot more patient
>>41487844>THE CHANCE TO EVEN LOOK A TRANS WOMAN IN THE EYEI'm a top but if it makes you feel better theres alot of transbian rapehons IRL who will make femboy comments & expect you to bottom. So just having trans women in your area is not enough.All of the really hot ones are the actual tru-transbians & do not FW trans men aswell. Transbians everywhere. Straight trans women do not go to trans events.
>>41487887>Anyone who wants male dick in their female vagina, is a woman, plain and simple. Problem is a good amount of people who call themselves 'FTM', especially online, are just thatGiga truth-nuke.
>>41487720> most girls at that point in their transition are very beautiful and very out of my league.Most.Don't give up hope, anon-kun!> Being strong & large is a requirement for being masculine.Standing at 6'2 (yuropean here, in yurop, 5'8 is the average female height, and in larger cities 6'+ cis women are uncommon but not rare - albeit they are cishons more often than not), I sorta let that go. If I need a man stronger and larger than I am I should look at no less than 200 cm, and there's nooooo fucking way men that tall and at least a 5 would me, if they can literally swim in cis pussy. So I'd settle for strong OR large OR at least caring about himself.> Is seeing trans women as women very hard?Is seeing trans men as men very hard?> {personality & voice} comes naturally to some girls, but also can be changed completely & fully with enough effort.Maybe. {Keeps thinking about how she was a soprano pre-T}> On cis men.On *some* men. Goddess, you guys have so much dysphoria about your eyes.Some men look better clean-shaven, some look better with facial hair.FtM are men. Bearded FtM can be attractive.> & With trans women, who can genuinely look at someone that just entirely looks like a woman, & still totally interally in their mind say "Ah yes, this is exactly the same as a roided up gigamale rapist."? It just doesn't make sense.Don't underestimate the power of brainworms. MtFs of /tttt/ are groomed to sniff out the minute details and clock even the most passable (to normies) MtFs.> I don't know thats also the widely held popular opinion.The popular option is that ftm are misguided teen girls who can be r*ped to "normalcy" and mtf are rapest fetishist disgusting turbohons.Terfs are fueling both.>>41487844Ssshh...PIV can take a form where you top and she has a/the vag?>>41487802Too much prog, nona, taper your dose off and have your levels checked.
>>41487863Yes, I am actually misogynistic, that is besides the point though. None of the people earlier in the thread were at all, youre just demented. Rope, nigger
>>41487973>madLol I'm talking about how I want a fair relationship and he immediately assumes all ftms want betabucks or whatever the fuck. Stay mad
>>41487927>So I'd settle for strong OR large OR at least caring about himself.What if I am average strength, 5'6, and hate my body. I would have to be crazy fucking roided out to compensate for height. "transgender" on its own is already a major downside to people. Could be a literal fucking gigachad and atleast 70% of the female population would be a hard no. And I am NOT a luckshit poonchad.>Is seeing trans men as men very hard?Yeah. I have to spend all my fucking time around them it's unbarable. Terminally fembrained & significantly uglier then any cis man. Not a single guy that doesn't fall into the untranny valley atleast a little W/o having absolute god teir gigamale genetics & early HRT. Only ones that are "attractive" are attractive AS WOMEN. It's eaither be a woman [kill yourself] or be male-lite [constant despair]IDK. It doesn't help that dysphoria in it of itself is fembrained.>Don't underestimate the power of brainworms. MtFs of /tttt/ are groomed to sniff out the minute details and clock even the most passable (to normies) MtFs.I'm not MTF though so I have normal thoughts on what women look like.IDK there is no where where I can escape the uwu cuntboy shit. Tranny spaces are arguably *worse* then cis ones. There is just, a hyperfixation on it. Having sexual trauma especially & the people constantly screaming to you about how you're a woman doesn't exactly help with trying to stabilize your mental state..
>>41488602> Hate your body.Because you're trans? Know that feeling very well.> 5'6If I used cis dating standards, I wouldn't date under 6'5. But anyone that tall can already get 8-9/10s, and at a minimum 6/10 so, being a tranny, I'd need to be 12/10 to even stand a chance to rob the world of his tall genes. > average strenght> FtMAverage strength viewed through the lenses of FtM brainworms tells a tale of at least a maintained body for me.> "transgender" on its own is already a major downside to people...sed/male/femaleYes, even at the end. I'm not a luckshit passoid, either, but still.> {FtMs are} Terminally fembrained & significantly uglier then any cis man.> Not a single guy that doesn't fall into the untranny valleysed/male/femaleAlthough I always believed that it's only mtfs which are cursed with a ticking clock with HRT, that FtMs will pass no matter what. Heh - guess I was wrong.> IDK. It doesn't help that dysphoria in it of itself is fembrained.Sssshhh... You're as malebrained as it comes and still dysphoric. Figures. I don't know, can it be because you're a fucking MAN, but just happen to have XX chromosomes? Idk.> I'm not MTF though so I have normal thoughts on what women look like.I think this can be slowly extended to cis men and cis women as well. I mean having abnormal thoughts on what women look like.> Tranny spaces are arguably *worse* then cis ones.TVRTHEspecially in my experience where tranny spaces were equated by mental illness. LOTS of mental illness. (Besides being tranny, but including standard comorbid MtF conditions such as autism)
>>41488602> Having sexual trauma especiallyI can write here "I don't know what you have gone through and I'm sorry", but that would be like > the people constantly screaming to you about how you're a womanBeing raised male is being told to swallow. Whatever it takes. Since men doesn't shed tears, right? And then society wonders how is there alcoholism, drug use, gambling addiction, mass shooters, etc, etc.If you could swallow, you would have.Standing here, and putting out means you're still standing even after. That you're willing to try despite it all, and that's what men do.A woman would be just leaning on help and acting permanently hurt.I'm doing that with what I need to carry.Leaning on help my own way, swallowing and putting up a smile outside, because I had everything in life, so I shouldn't act anywhere different.Maybe that's why I'm out of the game, and will be out for a long time still.You're probably not anywhere near yurop, so why am I still yapping. (Disc and 4chan reaches across the ocean, and yapping is just yapping desu.)You sound cute, and I do sincerely hope you will find the trans girl of your dreams.I lurk around /sig/ usually, which is a long-lived thread but it was nice talking to you, and posting Aa! Megamisama!
whats going on in this thread im too lazy to read like 20 paragraph long replies that are formatted like shit tldr plz
>>41490112Nothing to see here, move along> Deluded troon (hon) hitting on an unsuspecting FtM> Ah! My Goddess! angelposting> Traditional sex/gender roles and their consequences> Thread derailed into oblivionYeah, jannies can clean this one up.
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>>41490204i tried reading it to understand but i am very stupid and got confused. are the trans guys not okay with traditional gender roles? am i allowed to want to be a housewife/mom if im st4t
>>41490087On mobile cuz I'm about to go to bed so lack of quotes.I don't know maybe all my models for my idea of cis masculinity are just incredibly toxic [yes] but don't alot of men just. Do coke and beat their wives? Gamble on ponies & molest kids & Then kill themselves in drunk driving accidents? It is really hard not to see any uwu tharapy shit as incredibly fembrained. I try to do it in a way that isn't too girlish for my taste, I just want to be more chill about my body as insecurity itself is feminine.I think part of it is stomaching that sometimes the more "malebrained" option can be worse. But also I grew up in a constant phisical violence masculinity circle jerk with my brothers so I have an annoying tendancy to knowingly harm myself to be more fucking. Male and alpha or whatever bullshit. It's an ego thing. You beat the fuck out of eachother and you see who is better. More of a man. I don't wanna be a fucking fairy faggot little girl doing retarded tumblr coping skills and shit. But also I probably should because honestly the incel type shit I've got can be really insufferable.You shouldn't really have to hide your feelings as a girl but I get probably not everyone sees you that way.. Sorry nona.I did move to the UK recently witch is europe I guess. Though my living situation with VISAs and housing and employment & phalloplasty are a fucking mess right now. TY for the yapping :) sorry I'm tired at the moment.
>>41485772st4t serverdiscord.gg/vyvHwgEDNp
>>41489794Not quoting because tired again. Probably one of the biggest issue w/ ST4T is the uh. Brainworm cross polination. In an ideal world, I would be tall and be able to feel strong & big next to a woman. But I can't. & Vice versa for MTFs I imagine. Both have to suck up a certain ammount of brainworms in order to deal with the dysphoria caused by the difference. Just because expecting every woman to be 5'0 or every man to be 6'5 is unreasonable when those demographics are highly desirable. One of the challanges IG.Average strength means average strength, I work out but I probably am the same ammount of strong as a cis dude my size that does fuck all. So it's still dysphoric. I used to be stronger but uh. I stopped living w/ my abusive family & having to regularly fight with my brother. So there isn't an actual phisical impact twards being weak right now besides just making me unattractive. I want to be actively strong though.FTMs still have the bone fusing issue. Just in the opposite directions. Stupid shallow midface thats impossible to fix, small hands, feet, ribcage,, short & with a wide pelvis. You just can't win. The only way is to be born cis.I'm deefinately not as "malebrained as it comes" lol. I still act like a faggot all the time & speak girly as fuck. I look terrible IRL I assure you I do not need to invent reasons to be dysphoric. I simply, percieve reality instead of the curated veiw of me you get.I have been laying on my arm as I type, and now my arm is numb. Ow.
>>41490505I like traditional gender roles but it is partially a fetish. I want a cute wife that I can provide for
>>41485862Dude i need to meet my future ftm bf. I need that so bad. I dont even know how to meet ftm guys though
>>41490799>walks into a space with a bunch of trans men>'guysss where r aall the trans guys >.<'Just say your age and shit and ask for peoples discords
>>41490846I dont do discord but can ppl pls message me on instagram? My insta is @marcyrheintgen
>>41490858I am not a woman nor a faggot so I don't use insta. Sorry.
>>41490864Everyone on this board is at least kind of a faggot. Im surprised you dont have insta if you want to get pussy. Meeting girls irl and then messaging her on insta is the path to pussy
>>41490887...Good arguement. I just like using giga-autist messangers nobody gives a fuck about. Most reliable way to reach me is via a fan recreation of Windows Live Messanger from 2008 or via SoulSeekQT. However I have been trying very hard to use discord more as women get scared when you tell them to click a web link. I just really don't like it.
>>41485772where can i find a man like you, anon?
>>41490955Can you get instagram for me, I’m really cool i swear>pic related
>>41491004You are hot but the incel shirt is hon behavior I'm sorry.I'll think about it once I wake up tommorow
>>41491047Im not an incel im just really into meta irony and baulldriard and stuff like that. I’m a part of this art scene in new york where people are like deeply darkly ironic like my friend she wears a necklace with the twin towers on it.
>>41491104I love 9/11 & a certain degree of edgyness but there is a vast difference between the demographics of a shirt that just says incel, and like. A band tee that says george bush molested me or something.9/11 merch is actually such tight pussy behavior though. Shout out to your friend.
>>41490781yea its partially a fetish for me too but also i want it more than anything soooo
>>41486683you are very offended when somebody wants to provide for a woman. very lonely and ugly of you to be so jealous.
>>41492770:/
>>41486754this guy has been sperging out in the thread because of how "lonely and ugly" they are in their car trunk. i can see why people avoid them, that loneliness is self inflicted.
>>41490505yes angel, you can achieve your dream.
>>41492968i really hope sooogetting called angel is so nice it makes me feel all weird
>>41492770>>41492813Yeah they are really fucking ugly, they kept posting their ugly ass self last night and holy shit. Dats an ogremoder
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>>41492770>you are very offended when somebody wants to provide for a woman this kinda made me understand your world view a little better. not that i agree with you. i think you resent women who dont want to participate in a traditional style of relationship, and you assume most women are like that, which makes you presumptively hate them for it
>>41490887>>41490864> instaIs a facebook product. And needs a facebook account. So I'm with >>41490955 here.t. /g/tard ex-17C.>>41490955> slsk> slsk as messengerPlz be using irc. Marry me? (Lol)
>>41496150if you say or think about facebook you’re old, kill yourself boomer. You’ve probably been on this hellsite for years
>>41490955What happened to your typing quirks anon
>>41496327I correct them now for 4chan because I was crashing out about people percieving me as consistantly the same person. I don't know. I need to stop being such an autist. And learn to brute force normalcy in my behavior. I am disgusting & I don't want to feel alive or aknowlaged as such.
>>41497112Oh, sorry for perceiving you then. I liked your posts though I had wondered where you went
>>41497153Thank you for appreciating my noticably significant levels of autism nona :) Most of what I do is borderline chud-posting though.
>>41485772I don't think I'd date a ftm, too many of you guys are terfs. lots of ftms cling to their identities as women and lesbians, hate and feel morally superior to us biological males, and try to remind us of our maleness by accusing us of male socialization and male privilege.
>>41497195>"a FTM">describes tumblr theyfabEverytime.
>>41497208I've met binary, passing, socially transitioned trans men who were still terfs.
>>41497153Probably you are >>41486387. Maybe not.The guy I'm answering will get it.I live in Hungary (bojler eladó), and when he went to bed it was 2340 hours here. What he wrote... deserved more than what I could do half asleep on a phone.>>41490567> but don't alot of men just...I really, really hope you're not speaking (purely) of experience, or at the very least what you said was not one man you know. I'm glad that you still seem to believe in people though. And also that you're still doing "uwu therapy" in stead of blowing your phallo/FMS/car... whatever fund on ponies, booze and coke. If you ask me, that's the non-masc thing but what do I know. I'm just a mtf.But I see where you're at. Tumblr coping can only get you so far. At some point, you just have to bear it, like a man. Just like you wrote.The difference is: Some have the option to share some of that weight, some others believe they can't. The latter is the more dangerous, especially when they think... see above.> Your brothers beating the fuck out of each other.Even raised as a male I never got that one. So I was just waiting for the storm to pass, you got in to the fray. And you didn't write "your brothers were beating the shit out of you", and you wrote "you're less strong than you were in abusive places". Maybe it's a curated image. It sounds too detailed to me to be fake, but don't tell me you're fembrained or weak or lazy or whatever. From what you wrote... you aren't and you have the drive - even if it's dysphoria, or being perceived as "male light" to improve. Every fucking day.
>>41490757> Brainworm cross-pollinationYes, I do want to feel small and warm and safe. Not the easiest thing for me. And sucking up brainworms... it's the way it is. Had an ftm boyfriend before. Best relationship I've ever fucking had, and I remember him like it was yesterday,And from my perspective, feeling safe, feeling warm... held... doesn't need my partner to be taller than I am. Just that he'd be the man, so I could be tge woman.> The only way is to be born cis.That is true anon, either way. Why o why I don't post pics of myself (incel shirt anon is not me, she's apparently from NYC, I'm definitely not). If I was transitioning on the 2025chan culture, I'd be brainwormed beyond redemption and living in perma-manmode hell. Thank Goddess for dysphoria pushing me to socially transition even if by 2025 standards, I won't have a snowball's chance in hell passing. Even my psych welcomed me with ywnbaw (literally) when I was getting my papers for legit moans, marker change and surgery. I answered idc. That's the honfidence I'm still running on. And that - and being in an "accepting" environment makes me go still.On strength - I need to be thinner and stronger myself. I have been on the road losing 8 kg since July (and a lot more to go), but at least I'm trending in the right direction. I have my height (tall people look way less obese to other people than they are in reality), and fem musculature (I can cycle 60 klicks, hike 20 no problem as long as the elevation is not too steep OR I can choose the pace), but explosivity I leave to the guys. That shows on my gym work as well - high reps, low weight.Knowing very well myself what is it like to live in... I can't exactly say abusive, let's settle for unsafe - places, and having only little old myself to hold me, well... probably you understand.
>>41490757> I'm deefinately not as "malebrained as it comes" lol. I still act like a faggot all the time & speak girly as fuck.From what and how you wrote? Faggot and girly are the last things that come to mind of you (oh Goddess you do need to be dewormed), and probably as I'm writing I don't think you've pictured an uwu frilly girly girl either. Maybe that's because my life hasn't been full of upstanding positive examples of femininity either.
>>41497562>hadWhy'd you break up? I feel like the majority of ST4T breakups I hear about is something about "he was too much of a woman" in some shape or form. But I may just be generalizing for sake of emotional self harm.>living in perma-manmode hellGenuinely I don't know how anybody can stomach this. I started transitioning as a minor & still feel bad about the few years I wasted as a dumbfuck 12-14 yr old girl convincing myself I was just an "enby lesbian" or W/e. My only exposure to other kids online was via a bunch of tumblr queer transmascs & so I spent so long trying to convince myself I was anything except a binary straight man. Because it is evil to be male or W/e. Likely a female hormone issue honestly, as being on a proper dose of testosterone fixed this. But it's embarrassing it even happened at all. Being a woman is disgustingly humiliating & feels like constantly walking on eggshells. Going from an online life where I was trying to act like a hyperfeminine characature of a girl in order to fit in, to my actual life where I have to actually be compitant & able to handle myself- is humiliating. [though I get people often do it in the opposite direction-] I don't get why anybody would willingly subject themself to the nightmare of preforming 2 genders simoltaniously, just out of some notion that transitioning "wouldn't be good enough"I get dysphoric extremely often, about all the things I cannot change, but "can't be a real man" does not mean that it suddenly is better to pretend to be a woman instead. But maybe I will never understand MTF brainworms, girl-moding isn't really something FTMs do. You learn to suck up the constant degredation of being clocky or you don't call yourself trans. That's it.
>>41496022i dont resent them i just dont want them.
The worst part of being a trans girl who likes st4t is how impossible it is to find trans men who are into it too.
>>41497562>I need to be thinner and stronger myselfDo you? I constantly see MTFs talking about how the only way they can pass / be attractive is to be skinny & whatnot. But fat girls are cute so long as its feminine fat distrobution. Same with being phisically weak. But I like fat bitches much more then the average so I am biased & perhaps not representative of the FTM population.> really, really hope you're not speaking (purely) of experience, or at the very least what you said was not one man you knowMy family was just like that. But also from what I've heard, I have a spectacularly fucked family even by tranny standards. So maybe I'll always be biased. At least it is a great motivation to work out, being able to phisically overpower someone, in an actual, real fight, is the most affirming act of masculinity for me.Honestly I have mixed feelings though, I get dysphoria over the most retarded shit, like I have been cooking & budgeting for myself my whole life & therefore am, at very least, not completely incompitant at it. But apparently this is a rare trait for many cis men. Witch, I don't get how you're getting by on just mac and cheese or something as an adult. It isn't a poverty thing, there is significantly more efficent & good-tasting things to cook when you are extremely poor.>If you ask me, that's the non-masc thingI don't know, I don't think it's feminine. But also "abusive deadbeat father" should not be an aspirational figure.
>>41497737>>41490846Women.
>>41497809>You should just accept trying to date 4chan men you've never spoke to before and if you do not want to do that then there is something wrong with you
>>41497834Don't go up to trans men talking about how they like ST4T & then complain about how trans men who like ST4T are impossible to find.
>>41497844It is normal to treat this place like a forum for chatting and not like a dating site. I would potentially meet someone from board but I'm not looking for it and thats healthy and normal. irl, it is very hard to find trans men who have their shit together and are into trans girls.
>>41497884>have their shit togetherSee that's the difficult part that you should complain about.
>>41497897?I can complain about whatever I want thanks
