>>41998659
>When did your natal sex become something you started to obsess over?
In my early 20s after a dream where I was woman. I've never given being a woman a single thought prior to that, but in that dream it felt like the weight of the world had been lifted off my shoulders.
>What made you believe that "escaping" to be the other gender could fix your issues?
Seeing other trans people successfully transition and be happy. Any amount of serious introspection reveals that I am nothing like them though, and that transitioning wouldn't actually fix any of my issues.
>How does your pseudo dysphoria manifest?
Dissatisfaction and despair at the thought that I am a man, despite lacking any physical or social dysphoria

>>41998799
>Dissatisfaction and despair at the thought that I am a man, despite lacking any physical or social dysphoria
Sums up pseudo dysphoria quite well. It really sucks

>>41999339
bitch that's what physical dysphoria IS

>>41999440
How so?
They clearly stated that they feel dissatisfaction and despair while lacking physical dysphoria

>>41998659
Is "pseudo gender dysphoria" in the DSM or is it just something people on this website came up with to rep harder?

>>41999461
because those feelings of dissatisfaction and despair are specifically emerging from being a man, which is textbook dysphoria. Anon is feeling negative emotions as a result of being made to live with a body and attached social role that they do not identify with, which is, again, exactly what gender dysphoria IS.

>>41999505
>Anon is feeling negative emotions as a result of being made to live with a body and attached social role that they do not identify with, which is, again, exactly what gender dysphoria IS.
I don't feel negative emotions as a result of being made to live with something I don't identify with, but rather exactly the opposite. I fully identify with my body and attached social role, and specifically the fact that I fully identify with them is what's causing me to feel these negative emotions

>>41999564
Okay so explain that a little bit. What's an example of incident where you feel negative emotions as a result of how you identify?

>>41999590
It's a vague but almost constant feeling. There is never a moment where I don't identify as a man, and that's always a source of misery, no matter how senseless it is for me to feel this way.

>>41998659
>When did your natal sex become something you started to obsess over?
I tried to boyremove myself at like 8 years old by twisting a rope around my penis. Around this time I was "crossdressing" in the bathroom (wrap toilet paper around my chest and pretend it was a bra) Once I figured out how to masturbate, me and my penis called a truce and I went on to be a mostly normal and well liked guy.
>What made you believe that "escaping" to be the other gender could fix your issues?
Now I'm 33 and on 3 months hrt to feel things out before I become John 50.
>How does your pseudo dysphoria manifest?
Using my penis to have sex with women is difficult. Feels like a performance.
I also have been crossdressing since forever and am very hard on myself for not passing well enough.

>>41999654
Again, that's textbook dysphoria. That misery is the result of you identifying yourself as a gender you don't align with.

Identifying as a man isn't just constantly thinking "I am a man, and I am cool with that". It's in fact the exact opposite - Never having any kind of internal dialogue about it at all. If you actually identified with your sex, these thoughts simply never would've crossed your mind.

When you actually identify with your sex, you don't THINK about it. You think about your sex exactly as often as you think about having skin. Sex, ideally, should exist in the background as something that kind of just -is- and doesn't need further explanation or introspection.

Moreover: It's very, very common for trans people pre-transition to explain away their feelings of discomfort related to their sex, using logic very similar to yours.

There is a constant tendency for us to trivialize our dysphoria: Thoughts like "I'm just overthinking things" or "I'm just faking these feelings for attention" or "Real trans people don't feel like this" are very, very common. I struggled with them myself while I was still coming to terms with things, as have many others. What you're feeling isn't new, and it isn't unique.

That you're having these thoughts at all is a huge red flag that your personality is not aligning with your biological sex. You can continue to ignore them or play them off as "psuedo dysphoria" but you are, in fact, experiencing legitimate gender dysphoria.

>>41998659
Definitely around 18. I think this is just me being attracted to women, and then deluding myself into thinking 'oh if i troon out i can be around a hot woman all the time.'

>>41999564
I agree. I don't really feel any kind of sadness over being a man. I'm entirely neutral. I just think being a girl would be way more fun.

>>41999943
Most people are happy with their gender and, at least in some way, consciously identify with it. How many men start fights because they think that they have to, because they're men? How angry can you make the average man by implying that he's feminine? That's not an unconscious thing. He thinks 'I am a man' and has an identity based around it.

>>41998659
Pseudo dysphoria doesn't exist.
If you have any wish to be the opposite sex for any reason under the sun, you have genuine dysphoria.
The person without dysphoria will not see being the opposite sex as any solution to any problem.
"I don't get I feel fine being a man/woman, so I don't know why these thoughts are coming up" literal dysphoria, it's an ache and a pain, not a willful pipedream.

>>41999943
>That misery is the result of you identifying yourself as a gender you don't align with.
Don't want to be a broken record, but I fully identify myself as a gender I align with, when I identify myself as a man, but it's the fact that I align with being a man which is making me miserable.

>these thoughts simply never would've crossed your mind.
I very much doubt that such thoughts couldn't cross the mind of cis people with a very fragmented sense of self.

>Thoughts like "I'm just overthinking things" or "Real trans people don't feel like this" are very, very common.
What if I'm certain that I actually really am just overthinking things, and that the way I feel really isn't how actual trans people feel like?

>but you are, in fact, experiencing legitimate gender dysphoria
I really don't think I do, because I feel no distress when looking at my body or when I'm socially perceived as a man.

>>42000067
Yeah but it's not a constant affirmation, it's not something that's at the front of your mind all the time. Cis men don't wake up every day and think "oh I sure do love being a man", it's something that exists at the back of their mind and they spend little to no time thinking about it. They think about it as often as they think about having toes, fingers, eyes.

>>42000136

>Don't want to be a broken record, but I fully identify myself as a gender I align with, when I identify myself as a man, but it's the fact that I align with being a man which is making me miserable.

I'm saying you don't align with being a man at ALL. If you did, it wouldn't make you miserable.

>I very much doubt that such thoughts couldn't cross the mind of cis people with a very fragmented sense of self.

They couldn't, because cis people actually WANT to be their sex and don't have any angst over it.

>What if I'm certain that I actually really am just overthinking things, and that the way I feel really isn't how actual trans people feel like?

Because I'm an actual trans person and everything you've said so far is how I felt pre-transition. No "identifiable" physical or social dysphoria but a mounting sense of confusion and distress from being a man that only intensified. Part of accepting myself and taking the steps to better my life was acknowledging those feelings as actually being body/social dysphoria, rather than shutting myself down and making excuses to say I wasn't trans.

>I really don't think I do, because I feel no distress when looking at my body or when I'm socially perceived as a man.

Again, neither did I, for the longest time. I just dealt with a quiet nagging sense of discontent that eventually got worse and worse until I was able to identify it as deeply repressed body/social dysphoria.

I think what might work better for you is a change of mindset: Instead of focusing on what makes you feel bad, you should instead focus on what makes you feel GOOD.
If aligning with a man is causing you misery, then why not try aligning with something else?

Imagine yourself as a beautiful woman or an androgynous person. Does it feel good?

Come up with a feminine or gender neutral name, and introduce yourself as such online. Does it feel good?

Try going by she/her or they/them pronouns online or with friends. Does it feel good?

>>41999495
The later.

>>42000096
this

>>42000217
>I'm saying you don't align with being a man at ALL. If you did, it wouldn't make you miserable.
It really doesn't feel like I don't align with being a man at ALL. My own sense of self is very much male, and I feel like everything I think and feel is just male. There is just nothing that would distinguish me from any other men.

>cis people actually want to be their sex and don't have any angst over it
Cis people don't want to be their sex because they already are it. Same goes for me. I don't want to be a man because I already am one.

>a mounting sense of confusion and distress from being a man that only intensified
This is relatable, but it's not from being a man, but from being a person in general. Everything feels wrong always.

>you should instead focus on what makes you feel GOOD
Nothing comes to mind. I don't really know what it even means for something to feel good. I'm completely apathetic towards everything.

>Imagine yourself as a beautiful woman or an androgynous person. Does it feel good?
I feel nothing. I guess it's better than being a man, but I know it will feel wrong for me.


>Come up with a feminine or gender neutral name, and introduce yourself as such online. Does it feel good?
I feel nothing. I can't imagine ever feeling anything from my own name. It's just an arbitrary word which happens to be mine. Same goes for pronouns

>>41999495
>>42000264
Pseudo gender dysphoria obviously isn't in the DSM, but it is a real phenomenon. It basically just describes gender dysphoric feelings which don't stem from any sort of gender incongruence, but other, more indirect sources. A person who is pseudo gender dysphoric wouldn't benefit from transitioning, and is even very likely to develop genuine gender dysphoria by doing so. They would need to tackle these emotions through different means, which are highly dependent on how their pseudo dysphoria manifests

>>42000584
It describes your cope you've developed to try and keep yourself from trooning and nothing more.

>>42000739
I'm certain it isn't a cope because I've already tried trooning and it made it abundantly clear that it's not a viable path for me

>>42000827
So you didn't pass and you were upset you didn't, that doesn't make it 'fake', that just means you had shit luck with your body.

>>42000896
I didn't even get that far. I stopped after a couple of months because the effects started being more distressing than I expected

>>42000096
>it's an ache and a pain, not a willful pipedream
It is a willful pipedream for me. It's all because I can't stop wrongfully believing that the grass is greener on the other side. That I'm so miserable just because of this, instead of actually accepting shortcomings. It's all a scapegoat

>>42000038
I feel like it's very similar in my case. I know my pseudo dysphoria stems from aesthetic preference

>>42000217
>Come up with a feminine or gender neutral name, and introduce yourself as such online. Does it feel good?
Won't that just feed the pseudo dysphoria? Wouldn't it be better to push it down?

Also what if doing that just makes you feel like a creep?

>>42003790
>Won't that just feed the pseudo dysphoria?
Yes, it will, because it will make you further engage with it, and creating another ego for this will just diffuse your already present ego, making it even harder to properly figure out how to fix your pseudo dysphoria.

>Also what if doing that just makes you feel like a creep?
It did in my case, because I know that I don't belong

Like every other retarded repper cope this stupidity fomented in the general for a few weeks before they decided they needed to make their own threads about it to try and validate the concept.

>>42005336
This thread was meant to be a parody of >>41998314

>>42005336
Not like hons are any better. At least we accept our shortcomings.

>>41998659
>When did your natal sex become something you started to obsess over?
when 2 older transgender women started being very nice to me over discord dms
>What made you believe that "escaping" to be the other gender could fix your issues?
i saw being trans as a way to be something worth loving and a way to continue getting attention from people i liked
>How does your pseudo dysphoria manifest?
mostly as normal gender dysphoria but its something between that and autopedophilia