>right wingers think you're an abomination >fellow tranners think you're a genocidal maniac at worse and an auntie blair at best>trumptards think you're one of them and will use you as proof that their paedophilic international criminal is "based" >populist right wing governments all hate the environment and love russia for some reason i just believe in sensible economic policies... and I think that some cultures are dangerous to western democractic values, that's all
>>42255329>>right wingers think you're an abominationonly if you don't pass
>>42255329>a leftist so retarded he thinks he is right wing
>>42255329pickmes get what they deserve
>>42255329true...
>>42255356yeah but lets be honest now, partisan brainrot is so extreme nowadays that many right wingers have become unironic christtards and thus have a "reason" to hate you even if you pass and act like an otherwise normal person. it isn't necessarily better on the left either, they'll treat you like a pet and will drag you out infront of their other leftie friends as proof that they're "political aware" down to the heart, completely oblivious to the fact that they're publicly othering you via some bizarre humiliation ritual. They'll gaslight you if you ever complain about dysphoria, insisting that it's your destiny as a tranny to be a genderfxck warrior who'll "smash the patriarchy" >>42255372I'm only a "leftie" by american standards in europe this is a pretty standard centre-right set of beliefs >>42255389i'm not a pickme, I actually felt that something was wrong deeply wrong with me for the longest time for thinking this way and tried to consume leftist material under the false assumption that my unorthodoxy was being caused by a lack of political awareness
>>42255525That's because europe is a socialist dystopia by american standards. You'd be happier here desu
>>42255329depends, maybe if you're american because american politics are retarded, but in Europe it's easier to align with "right wing" politics like no more importation of muslims because most right wing parties (that don't larp as Hitler's second coming) don't care about trans people as something "evil", they want us to live our life like anyone else, there's bigger issues at hand than me having tits and a dick and a boyfriend
>>42255329We've spoken before and tbhon I think it's best if you just divorce from the concepts of left and right in general and instead pursue specific ideological labels like "environmentalist" and "protectionist" and "paternalism."
>>42255625doubt, both the right and the left in america are more retarded than in europe, the age of sensible technocractic mitt romney style conservatives has come and gone>>42255686indeed I am european, sadly I've noticed that the right seems to be drifting further towards American style reactionary politics with disturbing pro russian + pro fossil fuel tendencies, they want to drive up growth in the short term so it makes sense, but it also reflects the consequences of democracy, meanwhile China has the political leeway to go all in on green energy since they're they're not constantly trying to stave off opposition parties >>42255735i rarely post about this so I doubt it, but you are correct, however even when I individuate my political stances like this, I still find myself at odds with most people, especially other trannies.
>>42255329If you’re stupid and antisocial enough to be a right winger then I have zero sympathy for your suffering. You deserve every bit of it :)
>>42256123>disturbing pro russian + pro fossil fuel tendenciesthat's because it's who funds them now nona, once Putin is done with funding retards who aren't even sure what "right wing" means they will disappear, don't worry. I reckon a "woke" right will come next once people start realizing the problem is 30 Indians living in a 2 room apartment while they ruin historic city centers, not faggots and shefaggots lmaoyou'll have unironically people saying being queer is an european value they're trying to destroy, which is true desu, we live in a pretty faggy continent
>>42256123No I've definitely talked with you about it I'm pretty sure. Maybe even talked with you on discord if you're the exact one I'm thinking of.
>>42256176>you are a right winger just like charlie kirk!!!
>>42256208>seething
>>42255329>i just believe in sensible economic policieswelfare is sensible and good, cutting and destroying it is not sensible economic policies>and I think that some cultures are dangerous to western democractic valuesthat's nice and all but people have rights regardless of their culture and trying to force relocate peoples leads to mass death, you can uphold democratic values without removing people from their homes and deporting them to other countries, or more likely imprisoning them until they starve to death
What if I consider myself a right winger, but simultaneously also absolutely fucking despise the American right to the point where I want them all to be genocided except for the cute ones whom I'd keep in sexual slavery?
>i just believe in sensible economic policieswhat policies exactly. you seem to be aware that climate change is a real way and the chinese mixed economy is the objectively superior approach to tackle this so why would this lead to being right wing fiscally
>>422561761. I hate Charlie Kirk and other fast food political commentators 2. I'm right wing because I believe that policies typically associated with the right are optimal for successful state building where the end target is maximised prosperity for the entire human race, I don't think this is "anti social"3. I don't care about deranged weirdos like you
>>42256556>is a real way*is a real thing
>>42256205nah, I don't use discord, I guess I have a twin >>42256198you are correct>>42256365welfare to the extent that it prevents the formation of a disillusioned social underclass is good thing yeswelfare to the extent that it becomes a career choice for disillusioned young adults, and an ever growing burden for each successive generation is not a good thing imo. The fact that there are social influencers who's USP is literally making guides on how to game the benefits system says it all. Benefits should be for the severely psychologically, intellectually or physically debilitated. Those who are neither are a cancer on society in league with serious criminals. It's already bad enough that in advanced economies higher earners tend to work more hours while also suffering a higher debt burden, but atleast that is largely unavoidable. >that's nice and all but people have rights regardless of their culture...I'm not advocating for mass remigration camps, and I believe that immigration is the only practical solution to declining birth rates. I think Italy has it broadly correct, Offering citizenship to educated immigrants with a global mindset is fine, otherwise fixed-term work visas are a nice middle ground. Offering mass citizenships and all the rights that entails to people from hyper-conservative cultures causes a decline in social cohesion and harms other protected groups. >>42255525 says it all, Labour is the most homophobic party in the UK, there's only one explanation for this, it's the party of choice for muslim immigrants since Labour is the only mainstream party to have a broadly pro-immigration stance, what happens when political parties start pandering to these groups? I also think it's sad that many Western European cultures have essentially lost their culture. Just compare the Netherlands to Japan, however it's difficult to isolate the effect this has society as a whole, perhaps it's a good thing really.
>>42256883yeah I messaged her and she's the other rw tranny I see post every now and then. Not a rightoid myself but am sympathetic. Have a philosophy that every complaint comes from a place of genuine issues, but most people are terrible at describing the actual issues and even worse at proposing solutions.
>>42255329>being a right wing tranny is sufferingis it the illogical premise? the hypocrisy eating away at your soul? or just the realization that you are a sociopath with a broken brain?
>>42255329>right wingers think you're an abominationYou say you're European yet you type shit like this.I'm a right to far-right tranny in a political party in Europe. The only "suffering" in the last 4 years was that I was gendered correctly "only" 97% of the time before ffs.Stop paying so much attention to the Internet and network IRL, nona.I got the populist right wing gov in my country to simplify changing ID procedures. Sure, I pass and I don't have a public profile (yet), but it's no secret in the party that I'm a tranny.>love russiaThat is a legitimate issue, yes. But do keep in mind that a lot of it is active measures and/or online psyops, rather than legit conviction.>environmentEnvironmental policies are killing our continent. Dismantling those is an absolute necessity.Not building nuclear is not "loving the environment" - it's being a cretin.
>>42257053Do you think investing in fossil fuels over nuclear is environmentalist?
>>42257089No. But I also dgaf.If it were up to me, both should be done. In addition to a ministry of national revival that deals with throwing commies off of helicopters into the North Sea.
>>42255329Right wingers are better at authority than left wingers. Right wingers worship strength. If you *appear* strong, and if you hire a bunch of simps to act like you're strong other right wingers will be like, "well, guess he's the leader". Left wingers are so antiauthoritarian that they can't work with themselves because nobody will support a single leader. And it's incredibly easy to cancel anyone strong enough to try.So if you wanted to fight the powerful special interests that have enslaved your party, you'll need to cultivate ignoring that dumb shit.
>>42256883>The fact that there are social influencers who's USP is literally making guides on how to game the benefits system says it alli dont think this should happen but how common is this actually? this seems like water under the bridge compared to >>42256556. do you believe the state should fund for srs, ffs, etc?>Offering mass citizenships and all the rights that entails to people from hyper-conservative cultures causes a decline in social cohesion and harms other protected groupsthis is just another argument against fiscal conservatism as many of these people would not move to western governments if there werent business owners looking to hire less educated foreigners that they can undercut on salaries with
>>42257213I'm normally fine with RW trannies (and am friends with some) but supporting fossil fuels when renewable energy is now MORE EFFICIENT is moronic.
>>42256556Yeah I'm fond of China's state capitalism, however I think it requires a one-party state to enforce the sort of long-term vision and heavy oversight that these types of economies need, and that comes with a massive social cost and potentially a lot of risk. It's not a suitable model for the west. In democracies I think it's best to leave economic planning to the free market which is able to flexibly address the needs of the people. The government's influence should exist purely to ensure that the interests of private enterprises align with citizens. Climate change (and perhaps social media) is one of those points where without regulations, these interests diverge. Otherwise I think it's important to err on the side of caution in order to promote innovation and growth. I hate that Europe is essentially a tech-colony of America.I dislike the irresponsibility of increasing social spending at a time where debt has become a severe issue, and I don't think increasing taxes, particularly on businesses is the bandaid that most leftists seem to think it is, for example, in my capital, it's essentially a ghost town where only chain stores with inflated prices have managed to survive amongst litany of closed down small businesses. >>42257053I'm extremely pro nuclear, I think that's a green policy. >You say you're European yet you type shit like this.Yeah it's not really that bad where I am either, still, I'm worried about the growing influence of the American right on the rest of Europe, I mean just look at Musk speaking at AfD rallies... >That is a legitimate issue, yes. But do keep in mind that a lot of it is active measures and/or online psyops, rather than legit conviction.Many populist right wing governments have openly stated that they'll take a more pro russian stance, AfD, NR, Vlaams Belang... IIRC all of these parties have stated that they'll cut support for Ukraine and oppose EU sanctions.
>>42257240>I mean just look at Musk speaking at AfD rallies...g*rmany is a mental disorder anyway.And AfD has been pro-russia since long before the escalation of 2022. I personally met an unironic Duginist in 2019 at one of their events (in 2018-19 they made a lot of events for alternative media and politics in Europe). They didn't dislike me for being a tranny (i was more clockable then) but boy they hated me when I pointed out to them (with direct quotes) about what Dugin thinks of them.>Vlaams BelangNot intimately familiar with Belgian politics, but isn't there a nationalist Flemish party in the current ruling coalition there right now?And the Belgian PM, often called "pro-russian" actually did support anti-russian actions every step of the way so far.Just like with tranny politics, all other politics should be watched closer with what these people do, rather than what they say when shitposting (ahem... "campaigning").
>>42255329im sorry. i think you're probably just very dumb and that is not entirely your fault.
>>42255329so ur either a racist or a lolbertarianoh wait i read more, racistshouldnt u be off having white kids or something? thats the best way for u to live your values(plz seereality fore its too late kthxbye)
>>42257234>do I believe the state should fund SRS and FFS Honestly I'm not sure, I'd need to do a cost-benefit analysis on the productivity gains of having dysphoria-free tranners vs the cost of financing it. In an ideal world I'd support a state that treated dysphoria pragmatically by offering full HRT to dysphoric teenagers, but I also don't trust democratic governments with that level of power, nor do I trust authoritarian governments in general either. I'm conflicted about this topic in general, beyond tranners tbqh, I don't necessarily trust parents with their own kids as well and the state needs to ensure that it's citizens can function. >>42257326>this is just another argument against fiscal conservatism as many of these people would not move to western governments if there werent business owners looking to hire less educated foreigners that they can undercut on salaries withI don't think this is a fiscal right vs fiscal left situation. The developed world has an ageing population, immigrants are needed to fill the ranks regardless, I just don't think citizenship needs to be offered when temporary work visas are a fine middle ground. I'm pro growth, it improves everyone's quality of living. okok i gtg to bed now nn everyone ty for the good thread>>42257386and what part of my post made you think I'm racist
>>42257438I didn't make a fiscal argument at all. You misclicked on the reply.Good night, tho.Hugs
>>42255329You’re on /leftypol/ dudeYou just have to get used to being an outlier. And it’s fine to be an outlier and admit your views of what’s best for society wouldn’t include you.
>>42257438>and I think that some cultures are dangerous to western democractic valuesthis is a big dogwhistle usually desu, dont kid yourself
>>42257240>I think it's best to leave economic planning to the free market you mean the free market that if left to its own devices just wants to frack more oil until all of civilization is driven into collapse?>Climate change (and perhaps social media) is one of those points where without regulations, these interests divergewe've only moved backwards in any form of regulations because when you accumulate enough wealth, you can bribe politicians and sway public opinions in ways beneficial to you to begin withi will be frank here. even ignoring existential musings about "alienation" or whatever, capitalism is simply a threat to any form of national sovereignty unless they as a class are heavily stomped down on in the vain of distributism. the clown show in the united states encapsulates this perfectly. why has christian nationalism taken hold? because of the heritage foundation, networks of christian billionaires, and funding from megachurches. why have regulations on oil and gas only been rolled back? because of oil lobbyists and the blatant fraternization of us politicians with oil barons. why does the united states still fund israel? because of zionist funding (zionism itself only being possible due to banksters and joint stock companies dedicated to the zionist vision). and we can further see the continued development of palantir's surveillance apparatus in all of this, while peter thiel moves behind to scene to back the trump administration. these people should never be allowed to fester, and it is best that they get decapitated prematurely before they become a real problem that causes lasting damageand on that point, what democracy? most western governments from where i am standing are largely compromised by oligrarchs and billionare child fuckers>particularly on businesses is the bandaid that most leftists seem to think it isi agree, just taxing the hecking rich only does so much. you need long term vision
>>42257229The collectivists who believe the state has the moral authority to interfere with peoples rights are not 'anti-authoritarian'. Meanwhile the 'right' realises that individual rights should be protected at the expense of state authority and that the child rapists in government should be forced to mind their own business.
>>42257525>the right recognizes individual rights>the right continues to interfere with the medical rights of individuals hmmm
>>42257535this lmao>picrel, its OP
>>42257535The left calls people fascist for supporting free speech and racist for not wanting big business to fuck up their country, all your ideas empower the establishment at the expense of normal people.
>>42257674Meanwhile the right institutes actual authoritarian policies, interferes in private medical care, encourages religious interference in public services, and threatens media publications for criticizing the government.
>>42255329it is suffering, sometimes I larp as a leftist and truly believe that I am one. I don't really know what to do if I spend enough time around people of left or right wing these day they figure out I'm not one of them and I'm alone again. what should I do? I've tried to integrate into both and failed. should I live as a optics nuke in spite of everything?your not alone op
I am very glad you suffer
>>42257980I guess there's nothing left for me, I'll detrans and throw myself into a meat grinder of war for fascists.
>>42257515>>42257438>I also don't trust democratic governments with that level of power, nor do I trust authoritarian governments in general eitheri believe what needs to be done regarding this is to avoid the reliance on the current model of nation state and stitch together economics and politics rather than pretend as though these things are somehow unrelated. the way i see it, the ceo of a corporation is already his own despot, he is just not seen as another sort of authoritarian leader because it is relatively easier to switch jobs than it is to migrate to another nation. as an aside, it is worth pointing that if one values "democracy" so much, then having businesses be democratically owned would make be simply be the logical step in the commitment to this belief. see the following for a more detailed elaboration: >>42246121if i am being honest i find myself rejecting both the western leftist and rightist. they all seem to be riddled with hubriatic illusions with regards to how the world works on a fundamental level, and all of their decisions and manner of discussing politics stem from such
>>42256561Then you're just a fucking retard, in that case.>I'll vote for my own extinction because I believe some bullshit about trickle down economics being good actually
>>42255329That's weird. I also believe in sensible economic policies, and I think that some cultures are dangerous to western democratic values, yet I'm not right-wing. What are you leaving out?
>>42255329>i just believe in sensible economic policies... and I think that some cultures are dangerous to western democractic values, that's allNeither of these are right-wing policies. We should be adamant about bringing them to the left despite the loud minority and their hysteria instead of associating myself with right wing cattle
>>42258108not op, but its like when you experience enough rejection from people who claim to want to understand you. It just posing you at the core
>>42258198western leftists care more about virtue signalling and moralism than actually making socialism a real thing. you hate to see it
>>42256561Don’t care, didn’t ask. Die in a fire, rightoid scum
>>42257515>they get decapitatedi don't mean this literally btw
