HRT. IS. MAGIC.
>>422804547 years and you never got laser? what the fuck
>>42280454the twink reaper
>>42280454transgenderism is just a cope for ugly men nowadays lol
>>42280454Sir, you are never homosexual!
>>42280469yeah wtf, its not like they have ginger hair.
>>42280454How can someone expect and demand that other people pretend and act like they are a real women and then walk out the house with that much face stubble. It takes less than 5 minutes a day to shave your face
>>42280532Transbians just call that sort of thing "butch"
excellent troll OP
>>42280454mogs me>>42280469i got 3 years of laser+electro and have more facial hairs than that bitch ;_;
>>42280808that means your hormones are not under control, and if most of the time was electrolysis that bitch was ripping you off and you should never go back to her
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>>42280532>woman is when a man shaves his face
>>42280454pics like pic related laugh at your psyop
>>42280997AI…
>>42281008>bro doesn’t know who she isLMAO
don’t worry though I got more I can share
>>42281020i had a similar phenotype to her prehrt pics when i was 14i couldve had it allnow its all gone
>>42281008he just shoops the fuck out of his photos so it might as well be ai
>>42281020ugly boy in drag
>>42281030boy with makeup and long hair and super thick eyebrows
>>42281038passes if you're a sex blind tranny ig
>>42281080he has a really weird shaped face and you can see it behind all the editing and anglesif you really think meeting him irl you are gonna get anything other than a weirdly feminized nerdy man you are in for a surprise
>>42281073>>42281080>>42281092>everything is photoshopped/fakeLmao cope
>>42281099>chuds unable to tell what’s cis and trans
>>42281080>>42281092this terf so angry it had to reply twice
>>42281101many such cases if we're being honestand the anon who keeps posting pics of these "passoids" has clearly rotted his brain by staring at trannies for far too long
>>42281129I think it's just government agents. You cannot really reason with them or suggest these might not be what these people look like with no makeup waking up from bed in the morning.
>>42281143we'll never see any of them without makeup and long hairalso lol at the "boob + butt implants = passing" one
>>42281129>>42281143>no NO ITS NOT REAL ITS NOT POSSIBLE>toupee fallacy chuds in chatayyyyy lmao
>>42281160I think for the most part any tranny who is under 40 and not hideous they will claim passes so long as he has had facial feminization surgery. If trannies tried to prove they passed in candid photos it would mean a lot more. The fact that they can only pass in ultra staged closeups tells you a lot.
>>42280997killing myself
>>42280454>7 years and the most they can muster is Bill Hicksmoding
trans women are indistinguishable from cis women
>>42281225The very fact stealthoids go unclocked by right wing transphobes who fervently attack clocky trannies in person while espousing their fox news talking points, is a direct conflict to your statement.
>>42281254>considering cis women can look as foul as this
>>42281260Why do you keep posting obviously trans trannies?
>>42281277>making fun of women for their looksvery malebrained of you sir
>>42281279>I could totally they’re trannies without the implication of the threadyeah ok chud. You’re the kind of psycho to clock average looking women as trannies due to you being terminally online
>>42281293>it’s only appropriate that I punch down on trannies, you’re not allowed to rib back
>>42281279because he conflates attractive men with womenit makes him feel less bad about his gay urges to sexualize men as women
>>42281315Pointing out that trannies look male is not punching down but merely stating a fact. You, on the other hand, described the women in that collage as looking "foul." You are a misogynist and sex-blind.
>>42281325Note how he attacks women during his tantrum. It's not enough for him to laud tims. He must also demean women. It's pathetic.
>>42281334>it’s male because I say sowaoow it almost like you provided zero support for your argument and have based it entirely from a transphobic perspective. Who could’ve guessed that? :^)Also still not fighting the claims that you can’t stop yourself from clocking unattractive cis women as trans women because your brains too fried.
>>42281362>providing pictures of average looking women is somehow attacking them in the context of whether trans women can pass or notIn the academic field we call this reaching.is pic rel FtM or MtF? :^)
>>42281364Obviously spurious claims require no response.But by all means continue showing your misogyny.
>>42281379You described them as looking "foul." That's you attacking them. You are a misogynist. I'm not playing your games anymore.
>>42281384>its misogynistic of you to show the possibility of trans women looking identical to cis womensounds like a you problem teebeeh>>42281389Are we not just describing what we see? Is it somehow offensive to apply appropriate descriptors now? Or do you not know what double standards are?
>>42281244cute
>you have to be able to tell someone's sex from a blurry single photo or it means trans women aren't just men dressing up like womentrans women are just men dressing up like women if you had to show them at all angles, in a variety of lighting situations, next to actual women, while moving, etc, it would be clear they are menonly in these carefully posed single photos do they kinda look like women, and it's just an illusion
>>42281425Trannies will not post videos of themselves without using filters to hide the way that they look. I've had it happen to me where a tranny sent me a video where it's completely filtered. Real women do not need angle fraud or filters.
>>42281425>toupee fallacy>arguing against multitudes of photos counter said claimThis is what it’s like to deny reality at every corner to fit your fragile emotions.>>42281438>double standardsthe chuds keep on chudding
>>42281101my fetish is weirdly feminized nerdy men
>>42281438I remember using dating websites literally decades ago and I would never meet someone just based off of seeing a single photo of them because people often looked radically different in person from their best online photo. I guess trannies think people are idiots and will just believe whatever they tell you to?
STOP REPLYING TO CHUDS
>>42281450this is an all men and women do thing. Not a tranny thing
>>42281464I know, but trannies deny that it's even a thing, and claim trannies must ACTUALLY look how they do in posed photos in real life without any differences.
>>42281479xitter and leddit trannies are not reality
>>42281487I don't think any trannies are more reasonable. They all are convinced a man in female clothing is a woman if they find him attractive in whatever staged photo and they think you are an evil conservative (even though I'm a communist) for believing men wearing female clothing doesn't make them female or women.
>>42281497>even though I'm a communistThis is the main reason you should be shot. Being a foid is just an aggravating circumstance.
>>42281516humans are communal animals
>>42281497>men>femalesometimes is just too obvious. Might as well give women the ammo they need to keep calling all men are rapists while you’re at it. And no shit, just wearing different clothes isn’t what defines them, retard.
I wanna fuck the hot ones and not the ugly ones. I'm glad the hot ones can exist, better that than them staying men.
>>42281534trannies enforce the notion that men are rapists by castrating men to make them fit into societyif we truly believe men are not rapists, it is never necessary to chemically or surgically castrate amabs to bring their sex drive into line with what society expects
>>42281558wtf is this fox news level slop? You’re creating a reason where there wasn’t any, especially not one from said group. If we truly believe men aren’t rapists then we’d call out behavior that normalizes men being predatory towards women and children. Shitting on trannies is a non-sequitor to that. Trannies transitioning (castration a side effect) due to study proven dysphoria. Conflating that as some appeasement to men being called rapists is fucking psychotic.Sources:http://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-015-1867-2https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3722435/http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/09/02/peds.2013-2958
>>42281020faggy dork incel face doesn't change no matter how much you try to be a blow up doll. at best he looks like the 1960s jewish communist bitch that died alone her house.
>>42281659>conventionally attractive is now incel faceholy fucking cope. You can’t even form the words to describe how physically that’s even identical, LET ALONE SHOW US A CONNECTION
>>42281659that faggy dork incel is now loved by someone and lives a better life than you'll ever be living.
>>42281705>>42281713well good for you, fag
>>42281735>claiming the referenced pic is anything identical to >>42281020meds now
>>42281756okay retardhere they are side by side
>>42281379sigh I wish hrt actually worked on asians
>>42281809lolits amazing how people have gotten others to sexualize retarded men by putting them in sexy female clothing and paint and editing the fuck out of the results
>>42281809>adults still look like when they were a childare you daft? Do people not change over time? You’re even using a pre-transition pic to falsely compare. How obvious bait can you be?
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>>42281829That's him. Deal with it.
>>42281866>same kinda guy to argue thin women who were previously obese are somehow still identicalyou
>>42281879his face didn't change very much.
>>42281978>it just isahh yes very detailed and accurate assessment in your reasoning. Totally identical pics, yep!
>>42281990his facial appearance didn't changejust his behavior.and fashion
>>42282007>nothing post
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>>42281849face didn’t change at allonly whites get face changes from hrt
>>42282051there are no gas chambers, retard
>>42282054>forehead>eyebrows>eye shape>skin color>shape of cheeks when raisedHave you seen an optometrist yet? Probably not actually…
israelgpt generate me a thread
>>42282075go back to twitter faggot
>>42282065>unironic holocaust denier
>>42282082no, this israeli website is my home
>>42280454Trannies think HRT is magic because they're autistic (faceblind) and malebrained. The shit unironically does not change your frame whatsoever. It does not make your skull more feminine. It does not make the rest of your skeleton more feminine. It gives you smooth skin, maybe some hair, and a reason to wear make up.
>>42282072ur seeing things, looks exactly the same to me apart from the eyebrows which isn’t hrt related. On the other hand whites turn into completely different people like >>42281298
>>42282099>ignores any and all contradicting evidence that existsThere’s no saving you from the depth of your delusion.
>>42282109>t. asian face blind
>>42282118There are males that look more feminine than other males. There's ffs. I know you're just going down the "they can always tell" path of your NPC dialog tree, but if you read my post extra well, you'll see I never said that.
>>42282099>Trannies think HRT is magic because they're autistic (faceblind) and malebrained.real af, actual truth is that if you can pass pre hrt with shaving/makeup/eyebrows/hair styling you e will work well for you but if you seriously cannot pass pre e at all you wont pass with e either, ffs is your only hope at that point
>>42280454Didn't even attempt to style there hair to be more feminine dear god
>>42282083tell us where the gas chambers are if its real in your mind.
>>42282142well, i mean trannies can trick you for a few secondsthe reality is its not like they instantly read male, nor do they read conventional female eitheryou go "hmm is that a woman i think that's a woman" then you see them up close and realize its not but it takes a bitand especially cuz they are doing a fake voice to trick you and they tend to hide as much of their face as possible with hairand most men don't have female-styled hair, so it can be a convincing visual illusion, but only for a few seconds, and if you saw them moving around it would be clear they are not femalethere's a tranny who works at the cannabis shop I go to and everytime I go in I think "hmm did they hire a new female employee" cuz there's otherwise NO female workers there, only to realize its the same tranny as before after 10-30 seconds
>>42282140It’s a complete affront to our understanding on endocrinology and the affects of hormones on the body including bone structure. I’m not making the arguement it has a guaranteed influence for those post puberty transitioning, but for those that are on HRT before their puberty starts, are going to have their very bones and skull develop akin to the gender they’re transitioning to. Fat redistribution is a thing. Breast growth is a thing for MtF. Chromosomes dictate what hormones to produce. Hormones are what causes sexually dimorphic changes in a gendered body.
>>42282177>can always tell argument>toupee and anecdote fallacy level delusion
>>42282192>Hormones are what causes sexually dimorphic changes in a gendered body.wrong, chromosomes can induce masculinization without sex hormonesthat's why cais still look like men
>>42282153there's no gas chambers for shitposters. Theyself is making it up.
>>42282211>induce masculinization is the genetic phenomenon when the body/chromosomes can not interact with androgens>source?>I pulled it out of my ass>can always tell, argument
>>42282249have you even once tried googling if fetal masculinization can occur from non-hormonal sources?
>>42282131I am Asian myself and grew up in a majority asian community, doubt it
>>42280469I sort of know or knew a detrans, and they just regrew it all, makes me wonder if some ppl are even serious tbqh
>>42282255Your argument is either>chromosomes induce masculinization because in the absence of any sex hormone, the body develops into an androgynous formor>chromosomes some how are more influential in directing how the body masculinizes/feminizes more so than the hormones themselves responsible for acting on the body of someone who is not suffering a chromosomal abnormalityYou have maybe an argument from the angle of “androgyny looks masculine” with the first argument. But the second has had no studies where somehow the chromosomes over power a given hormone as to overwrite and influence it, that ISNT a scenario of chromosomal abnormality. Especially in the scenario where someone trans goes on hormones before puberty.
>>42282338I don't think you would invest this much effort in argument if you truly believed you were female.
>>42282354>ad hominem and deflection
>tfw 5 years on T It really is magic Wowzers
>>42282051>"the gas chambers are coming for you, worthless"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyUqhbPD2tc
>>42280469Never did her eyebrows in 7 years>>42280532
>>42282192https://royalsocietypublishing.org/rspb/article/282/1816/20151351/77840/Prenatal-testosterone-exposure-is-related-to
if trannies passed then they wouldn't be here desperately trying to convince us of it with carefully staged, filtered, and edited photos lol
>>42282748but you cant explain exactly how the filters work checkmate chuds
>>42282770I can't explain general relativity either, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist
>>42281260>>42281279I like this one though, this ones a realistic goal, like yeah she doesn't pass but she's pretty and that's enough
>>42282839Having realistic goals is good.I have the impression that a lot of people get completely unrealistic ideas about what transitioning can achieve for them, and they end up disappointed and still dysphoric.
>>42282458uhhhh so is having voices like that not normal
>>42282851I'm in my 30s and about to start on hormones and I'm 6'5 with the build of a dwarf from lotr except large, how much does ffs cost lolI've heard it's basically impossible to tell if someone will pass on e (outside of obviously I can't change my height) other than are they balding etc, is it actually magic or is it like other anons said and basically doesnt do anything unless you can already look vaguely feminine pre hrt
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>>42281277>abigail shapiro is actually cute tho, however she is incredibly evil
>>42282884HRT does less than most people claim.What matters most is how skeletally masculinized (e.g. broad shoulders, deep rib cage, brow ridge, square jaw) your starting point is. Being skeletally feminized (e.g. wider pelvis than rib cage) before HRT is useful, but masculinization overrides feminization in passing.Becoming borderline underweight will not help hide a masculinized skeleton. Becoming overweight can hide it somewhat, but then you're overweight.HRT will not get rid of facial hair, change your voice, or shrink your skeleton. You might lose at most an inch of height if you develop anterior pelvic tilt from ligaments weakening. Your feet might lose a shoe size from soft tissue shrinking.HRT can stop any androgenetic hair loss from worsening, and you might see some regrowth from a reduction in testosterone production, but it's not guaranteed.
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>>42283000h0nn
>>42282952If it goes horribly wrong how much does/can surgery solve? Thankfully I am not balding at all
>>42283026Honestly? Not a whole lot.Facial feminization surgery can do a lot these days, but it's limited to the face. A very feminized face on a masculine body tends to look strange, like in picrel.BA and BBL are options for pumping up your breasts and butt, but results vary.There are various fringe surgeries available such as foot reduction surgery, shoulder narrowing surgery, lower rib removal, and pelvic plasty, but they involve cutting up your skeleton and can only change a limited amount. I'm not aware of any surgery to make hands smaller or shrink the upper rib cage. (The "total ribcage reduction" surgery that is rumored to be in development in fact only works on the lower six or seven ribs.)
>>42280454>Tranny Depp
>>42283078now show him without covering up his face with hair
>>42283093I don't have such a photo, and that wasn't my point. My point was the contrast between the face (with hairstyle) and the rest of the body.
>>42283078why is droopy poopy moping fo?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7J9NS3ggxw
>>42282733Unironically give you props for actually providing a study to your claim. I read through it and it looks like it’s still an initial study towards the theory. Specific to our arguing, I’ll afford it as much weight as you would to any of the studies posted here >>42281630 or in the thread here >>42272111 but that aside, I’ll be interested to hearing any further studies that come out especially peer-reviewed in regards to this.My input to your study though: it’s not arguing chromosomes having a direct effect but literally the effects of hormones, specifically testosterone. In fact, nothing provided in your study actually challenges my point you’re quoting in response to earlier. It still doesn’t provide reasonable amount of data and evidence to support that enough testosterone exposure somehow precludes a trans girl from developing on par with cis girls her age onwards or that she couldn’t somehow blend in with her identified gender. It’s not even testing specifically for trans people but just observing the effects of testosterone as a hormone during childhood and beyond. I do hope more studies come out because any solid and honest study is a valuable study to have.
>>42282748>>42282770>>42282778Chuds and transphobes don’t get carte blanch platforming their flawed mentalities and obvious cherry picked memes. Even sharing just a few contradicting evidence to the irrational claims made by you psychos helps set the record.
>>42283721What contradicting evidence? lol all the trannies you posted were filtered to shit and didn't pass anyway
>>42283705Consider that chromosomes anon and prenatal testosterone anon might be different anonsIn any case you're gonna cling to the idea that anyone can pass with early enough HRT even though anyone who has worked with children for years knows that boys and girls look different before puberty even without hair and clothing differences
>>42283730>ignores any linked studies in previous posts, as well as hand waves any photo supporting a trans woman looking passable because it would challenge chud’s worldviewyou’re the same guy that clocks cis women that don’t look feminine enough to you.
>>42283754If a cis woman is hypermasculine (NOT unattractive, and this must be clarified because you conflate the two) enough to seem male, then she should probably consider transitioning.
>>42283742>anyone can passnot what I said, nor what I’m standing by. Not every trans person can pass, like yeah there are clearly plenty who have pretty rough starting points. But chuds here assuming majority or no trans person pass is just willful ignorance and fueled by internal prejudice.Can most trans people have higher chance at passing the earlier they start HRT? Yes. Do some physical differences exist within boys and girls pre-puberty? There is at least a non-zero amount that do exist, but children especially pre-puberty are going to be far less dimorphic in the genders than compared to during and post puberty. And it’s such a large discrepancy that creates enough of a threshold between the genders that reasonably produces passing trans people. If you truly worked with children as you hint at, you’d also admit how androgynous they can be between each other at those ages when you ignore the gendered hair/clothes.
>>42283783You’d literally clock any of these>>42281364>>42281277(pic rel) as trans women by your psychotic definitions on how you’re clocking trans people to begin with. It’s not anywhere hypermasculine it’s just getting old and hitting menopause. You’re so coked up on defining women by how young and estrogen drunk their bodies are.
>>42283804No, I likely wouldn't, but you've already poisoned it by revealing that they're women, because you were too scared to see what would happen otherwise.
>>42282851>>42282839>>42281260>this ones a realistic goal>softest male facial features in the world before transitioningI don't think you people know how bad others have it. I don't look this bad but I'm still an irreversibly male repper and would give up my teeth and wear dentures for the rest of my life to almost look like this.
>>42283822Please go into detail about how physically the previous pics of trans women here clocks them as “men” while also identifying the physical features found on the known pics of cis women and how someway that doesn’t also clock them as men.
>>42283868You can't tell the difference between not conventionally attractive and masculine. Arguing with sex blind trannies is pointless because you will never acknowledge that normal people can tell the difference between unattractive women and men pretending to be women.
>>42283879>arguing is pointless because I keep assuming you’re conflating masculinity with unattractiveness>avoids attempting in proving his point and deflectsyeah we know the lot of you chuds will avoid ever being held accountable to your deluded standards. Normal people never think about trans people because normal people more times than average avoid politics to begin with, let alone the trans issue. It’s literally rent free with you.
>>42280454She's cute, should look into laser+hairstuff though.
>>42280454I feel bad for the kids this tranny rapes
>>42283078now post her standing up
>>422814471 that pic is filtered to shit and back2 it’s a wig3 the face is still observably masculine4 terrible fake breast augmentation5 weird oversized sports bra thing to conceal the ribcage6 the straps of the weird oversized sports bra thing are unnaturally arranged right over the ends of the shoulders instead of the middle of the shoulders7 hands are completely hidden out of frame8 super wide granny panties hide the lack of hips9 anglefrauding trying to conceal the trachea
>>42280469Not sure its a huge deal. Still pretty cute. I have a tiny bit of chin hair that shows up and is annoying I guess but its not a big deal. My mother has hair grow there too.>>42280532Shaving can irritate your face and cause red bumps. Some people shouldn't shave everyday. Still looks fairly womanly. could pass as a femboy or NB.>>42281277some of those women are hot tho.
>>42285667>pic is filtered>ok how?>it just is!!>face is totally masculine>what parts and how?>just trust me bro>double standards with BA and cis women>if I can’t see the ribcage or hands then it has to be huge!!>Granny panties are so hiding hips! You can just tell!!>TRACHEA!!!
