have problems? editionqott: do you often troll in mmg?prev - >>42340448
>>42347878I troll every day. sometimes I come in here and straight up start arguing with myself just to see what happens
>>42347912fuck you this is so pathetic lmao
you heard the billboard. get fat. now
>>42347919lol it's so fun though
>>42347924i hope you never find happiness, your entire existence is invalid, and i genuinely hate me you
i have never gone so far as arguing with myself. i never pretend i’m two separate people talking to each other, it’s just too low for me
>>42347912>>42347919>>42347924>>42347931all me btw
>>42347931what did I do oh my god lolI have happiness. I have so much happiness every day. I look in the mirror and I smile at my appearance, and I look around and see that my existence is real and that life is pretty good. and if I met you...I'd probably try to befriend you because I think you're likely to be a cool person irl. I don't hate you. why hate me?
>>42347961>your entire existence is invalid, and i genuinely hate you>you're likely to be a cool person irldamn you're pathetic for taking this lmao
my tummy feels crazy i ate something bad
>>42347976your man gut is rebelling against the hormone injections probably
should i try to bake sandwich bread this weekend?
>>42347971she didn't even mean that, she has no idea who I am. people just come here and say nonsense all the time!
>>42347980heck yeah
bakinghon will return in avengers doomsday
>>42347979my man gut is rebelling against the double cheeseburger i ate it stinks in here oh god
portraying myself as having a delicate woman tummy and my enemy with a gross man gut
theres nothing more womanly than being unable to hack eating greasy food then spending the next several hours being embarrassed over ripping the most god awful braps
speaking of braps, i feel like lia wasn’t in mmg today at all…
so hrt actually doesnt do anything huh
>>42348202you fell for it too?
>>42348211ye im an ugly man with breasts now lol
maplestory classic waiting room
we’re all women
>>42348227my reward for 4 years is b cups, clear skin and other than that i look the exact same
eating a slice of ham for dinner like a peasant
>>42347923doxxmoder kill yourself challenge, I know you can do it, bro!
peasants eat gruel, ham is for kings
>>42348289i’ve been accused, increasingly directly, of being doxxmoder like 3 nights in a row. why?
i made seitan and this shit fairly bussin>>42348292kill yourself carnist
raping vegans
>>4234837299% chance i'm stronger than you given im one of the only people in this gen who liftsbut go ahead, try and rape me bro see if i give a fuck
alright how much do you lift and what type of fighting did you studyloser gets raped
i lift enough to manhandle you like a ragdoll you 90 lbs weakling. get your ass ready, boy.
stop stop this is turning into a fantasy for one of you
>qott:I can't be a troll, my heart just isn't in it.
i rest my case. bring lube and i'll see you in the rape dungeon
but who rapes the rapists?
seggs when
once we get through aeggs through reggs
anyone else ever poop in the shower
can't do that
>>42348542of course I do
>>42348547why not?>>42348551fuck YES, do you just let it wash away while you shower or what?
>>42348553yeah mostly but sometimes I have to push it with my feet a bit >_<
any manmoders RESEARCH CHEMICALS?
>>42348557nice! yeah I like feeling it between my toes so I do that sometimes ^_^
RCs are for nerds, i prefer my substances sheduled
i prefer my salad scheduled
evil heartburn preventing me from sleeping
>>42348576ok I do like between my toes too...the texture is satisfying...
Why is scat so popular on this board now and why do I also think it's awesome :0
>>42348622an extremely intelligent trans woman I know told me about otc famotidine recently and it works like a fucking charm for heartburn and acid reflux. highly recommend! very cheap and you can buy it in a lot of places.
>>42348634she sounds ugly and annoying perhaps even dumb
>>42348630i just think it’s funny, i wonder how many actual scat fetishists are here
>>42348630I get the impression most of these people are just joking about poop because it's funny / gross! I'm doing that too but I'm also just into scat as well...idk why you think it's awesome but enjoy the ride!
>>42348643that seems mean of you :(
>>42348643not sure what you mean but she's actually quite cute. and she's also a medical student so it wasn't just bullshit made up advice or anything. it's a real thing and it works!
>>42345480
>>42348688stop posting your shitty bait no one's falling for it
i don't have a scat fetish, i just eat it because it's delicious and nutritious
>>42348690bait?
>>42348652I'm doing something similar where I just compulsively mention it in any thread I can because it's funny and weird but I also genuinely wanna find more people to have lewd talk about it..,.,. It's funny because I look too cute to be into something so gross
>>42348725ok I get that completely, the gap moe is a real factor lmao. I'd theoretically be down but in reality I have no idea what I'd discuss
sucks lia isnt here im brapping up a storm it sounds like a machine gun is jammed up my ass
anyone else get bored of the whole trans thingi think im just myselfmoding from now on
i ate a small piece of fish and it was raw you think i’ll explode
yeah youre gonna die :(
Hrt doesnt work but i became enlightened and grounded in my maleness last night so that doesnt matter.
the fact that mainstream trannyism is now twinkhons and youngshits that never had to battle with a life of repression and sexual violence makes me uncomfy
i need to accept myself as a male that is kinda ugly and not appealing to anyone
me after ffs and a mastectomy and srs and a nullification revision
saw a woman post ‘i wish i was a young gay man’ and i got happy because that’s me and if she wants to be me then i can be me but then i remembered that im ugly and old
I've been on e for 9 years and have had ffs but I still manmode everywhere and nobody sees me as anything other than a male.Honestly what the point of this life, being born a tranny, having to live this way. I should just take drugs.
>>42349047do you regret ffs
>>42349061not at all, I look more feminine than I did before and it has improved my mental state a ton on its own, even if it's still androgynous that when combined with the rest of my features and presentation makes me seem like a guy.
hi eden
>>42348623you must be from germany
timothee chalamet looks like jessie begging for walter’s cock in the q/a he had with robert downey jr
>>42349035yeah she wants to be a perfect twink not what an actual gay man looks like, she probably just got done gooning to heated rivalry
>>42349095would you recommend ffs to someone who just wants to present male until i die because being a tranny isnt for me
can i still call myself vegan if i eat poop occasionally?
I can't sleep tonight so I've just been up thinking. I randomly remembered this one time a guy, who I used to be really close friends with, and I were at a get together with a bunch of mutual friend. he and I were being kinda standoffish because of our falling out and I don't remember what I said exactly but I think I was poking fun at him for something dumb he had said. out of nowhere he like reached out and grabbed my chest through my T-shirt and said something and then finished it with something along the lines of "and take that stupid bra off". I was kinda just awestruck and stood there and everyone else who was watching just stood there for a second and turned away. Would this count as sexual assault? I'm not gonna do anything with this info bc it's been like a year since we spoke but it's something I had forgotten about and randomly remembered.
>>42347955i sniff my own farts
>>42347955>>42349316all me btw
>>42349277> is it sexual assaultyes
>is a dude touching another dude's chest SAno
>>42349346idk I had been on hormones for like a year and a half so I had tits that where pretty obnoxious when you touch my chest. thf I didn't think it was or I would've done something but I was just curious what other people thought.
>>42349358obvious*
>she/her'd 100% of the time w long hair>short hair is 50/50women is when hair
good thing i cut all mine off. i almost passed, after that what would i even talk about
>>42349277>Would this count as sexual assault?Whatever it counts as, i wouldn't be "friends" with that guy anymore. Or anywhere near him for that matter.
>>42349381fakestmoder
>>42349414it kinda sucks bc he's friends with my old friends from school so I see him very occasionally but I keep my distance.
>>42349435people are just gender blind>>42349277yes>>42349346wasn't this general losing their shit last week over the dsa anon
my skull is huge as well as the rest of my body
awesome
>>42349520im ugly too
nonas my tummy troubles are over i just had to take a huge shit ^-^
people can barely pity she/her me more than 50% of the time
>>42349484fakemoders always say shit like this. i have long hair and have been she/her’d 3 times total
>>42349441I guess keeping it as occasional as possible is the best you can do, as long as everyone else is cool in your book. I'm probably a bit older but pretty much stopped talking to people from HS right after.
>>42349484i made the dsa stuff up as a bit
i feel like you’re lying and an unrelated nona
>>42349565im 20 and in uni and I go back to where I'm from for the summer so I really only see him maybe 1-3 a year. I only really talk to them all so I have someone to drink with during the summers.
>>42349550shut up I know I look male
Zero malefails
you get she/her’d half the time with short hair, you don’t
>>42349639I'm not posting myself bruh I just know you'd laugh at my moid face
i’m not asking you to post yourself, i’m telling you you’re delusional if you think you look like a man despite the evidence
>>42349715nice psyop
i do not give a shit if you post yourself, but if you get she/her’d with any degree of consistency i don’t see how you’re a manmoder
>>42349589I see. At least there's not that much to lose then.
>>42349775lol reverse psychology doesn't work on me
i don’t want to see you post face. why would i want to look at someone who looks more feminine than me bitch about how manly she looks?
>>42349891>who looks more feminine than meI probably don't
shut up women
>>42349905am you get called a woman constantlyi do notunlike you, i’m able to draw conclusions based on observation
>>42349924>constantlyit's literally a 50/50 coin flip shut up
i wish i passed 50% of the time
>>42349939still way more common than for me. you’re not a manmoder
I AM GOING TO SUCK YOUR DICKAND YOU ARE GONNA LIKE IT
stop doing that to me
>>42349973*schluurrrp*
>>42349962I'm more moided than you fakemoder
>>42349995>I'm more moided than you fakemoderNuh uh
>>42349995>you get correctly gendered half of the time>i get correctly gendered none of the timedo you need some extra time for tough problems like this one?
>>42350001>>42350004kys
>>42350026you have no argument lmao, you’re a fakemoder and making it obvious while insisting you’re not
sometimes i look in the mirror and i kinda look like my sister but most of the time i see my dad
sometimes i watch the sopranos and see my dad
"weird lit" and it's midly peculiar
but is it lit af?
I wish I was a woman
you are a woman
no u
I don't look like one
they hate me cause my life lit
>>42350269>>42350319gusanos
o algo asi
>>42350333>>42350335and a taco burrito to you too, young lady
I’m literally a man on hrt how r u menI’m not trans or a woman btwI’m cis straight male with prison gay elements
AAAAHHH IM FUCKING GAY
she's kind of intoxicating ngl
1. I have a small pelvis2. Im a rape victim3. I have a man face
The Rapist
>>423504801. lol2. lol3. lol
>>42350497it’s not funny. i keep losing hours
probably molested and trying hard not to think about it award
Hes making me wear the girl clothes again doesn't this moron know I'm a moder
who else comptop
I just got a TOTP with 67 in it and smiled
extremely rotund today but can also see my muscles
all in a day's work
>>42347878Not much trolling. I was meme into repping.>Could DIY at 14>went to boomerhon site Susan place who said that male bones are permanent by 15>cracked at 22, then hondosed for 6 years.>now at 29, I’m stuck manmoding with my saving grace of being sometimes confused for a teenage boy.
got an erection while voice training >_<
I’m literally fake trans lolI’m literally a boomerhon sissy lolI’m literally gonna kms lolWomen HATE me and men want me deadI’m a male man and I spit on gods face for ever thinking my transition is valid. If you don’t think of trooping since your 10th birthday and especially after your 18th you need to uhmmm explode!!
thank you methy very cool
>>42351270that's just your euphoria bonercis girls get it too!
my eyes are so pretty
i should have been a woman
should have killed myself 5 years ago desu
i shoulda been gay
damn
>>42351457yeah but then i wouldnt be here reading that post. who knows where i'd be. maybe it'd be better. maybe if you werent here id be indescribably happy. so maybe i should just wish you were dead. but it's the fact i dont know. thats what makes me happy youre alive. well, not happy. fine maybe. youre alive. and im fine with that.
>>42351476okay, thanks for being fine with me not killing myself
what part of my brain is so broken that I want to be a woman?
you like black girls? I love them, I love 'em!
i slept with my blahaj last night because i was really sad and lonely
why so sad
>my highest is my sister's lowest
sometimes when life gets really hardI stand next to the wall in my bedroomwhere my league posters are hangingand I stroke the picture of miss fortune tenderly in a vain effort to extract some comfort from the artwork."oh MF...we're really in it now" I'll say. "oh MF...what would you do in this situation...if only I had your power...your strength"then I go pray and jack off in front of my skt t1 shrine
>>42351551just wildly dysphoric and depressed ig recently. also trying to lose weight is a lot of pain.
>>42351585I would do unimaginable things to be able to lick the sweat of her stomach
>>42351606THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING
>>42351618BREEDING MISS FORTUNE
Do I inject tonight?
I’m a furrymoder uwu
>>42351712holy fuck that is the sexiest reshiram I've ever seen in my life
I love having gay sex with my bf(best friend turn abuser)
giwtwm
Buy a fur suit and have gay sex then
>>42351717She doesn’t need much wish I was a sexy Pokémon :/
>>42348202skill issue
>>42348688intellect issue
just saw a malenia cosplayer I want to have sex with
Sex is gross...
>>42351722need
i have never and will never have sex
do I deserve cuddles
not if you have to ask
i’m getting a boner sniffing the armpits of his hoodie help
there's men out there that enjoy buttholes how pathetic
I WISH I WAS A WOMAN
you know when abandoned newborn cats keep meowing for hours but then they get tired so they just cuddle up to each other and wait for death
>>42351775I feel that. I think I'd want to be a zoroark desu
I wear size 44 or 45 shoes
girl I'm a manmoder too, just like that 4chan meme
Im super weird
man it is so hopeless
im going to cry
Can't wait to move so I can finally girlmode
my balls hort
the days when I make up some delusion are the days I am happiest
i am being watched by people i know 24/7
new claire saffitz today
>>42352304oh fuck YES
Im super normal
>>42352304god shes so fine
>>42352153me
my claws are looking fine today, can you say the same?
>>42352420corny asf
somebody drop the mmg discord link
mr. moder do everyone a favor and die =)
my ribs hurt from binding
>>42352449will you stop binding? for me?
my dick hurts from jackin
>>42352467not a transbian sorry
>>42352304lowkey want her
>>42352490I outright want her, the backshots would be insaaaane
>>42352486>try to be friendly>erm you're flirting with me ???? like loI just stop hurting yourself
>>42352032i would like to do this with someone
>>42352509hey i was watching from over there but can you stop flirting with her
i've never felt jealous or hateful. i love everyone. except me i should rope
start flirting
stop flirting
>>42352535ugh, why do you always shut me down!? what's the matter with you? are you jealous of the attention other people are getting?
>shave my legs>immediately covered in ingrown hairsmy body rejects even the smallest attempts at femininity fuck my life
>>42352546go to chaser or hornygen
>>42352563oh ew fuck I was just fucking messing with you. now I have to go puke since you made me think about chasergen
yea but was that guys name really DeBussy though??
>>42352504imagine
>>42352669claire is such a fucking pawg it would be like watching waves crashing on a beach holy shit
>>42352686drooling to the thought of how loud the plaps would be
>>42352686holyyt jesus that ass jiggle and the sound of it clapping ngmnggg
legit jerking off to claire saffitz right now
ever notice that like halfway through every video claire's boobs start coming out from the side of her apron because they're just like, that gigantic
you people are animals. feel free to continue though
was angry and suicidal and gonna make targeted posts and block him for no reason but then i jerked off and everything is ok
so claire saffitz saves the day? or is that unrelated
>>42352789>>42352814finished
>>42352814yesss her boobs are so fat they literally spill out the sides of the apron it's so fucking hot
what is with you weird internet personality simps, shouldn't you be over in gaygen or chasergen?
>>42352841yeah
>>42352848have you fucking SEEN claire saffitz' ethereal beauty
>>42352857?
holy shit i want to see her naked and oiled up x_x
no really wtf is this
>>42352876stop i have to get out of bed!!!
>>42352883claire saffitz is hot as fuck any other questions
>>42352896yes, see >>42352848
>wanting to fuck a woman is gay
>>42352905claire saffitz is a woman?
what's gay about wanting to fuck a pawg
>not being able to read
that fucking moron wouldn't be able to appreciate the beauty of a fat voluptuous white woman even with a thousand years of study
plap
brap
>>42352891sorry, stay in bed and jerk off to claire saffitz
I honestly have like 3 claire videos pulled up right now. btw she always looks hot but she's like UNUSUALLY pretty in the krumkake video from a couple weeks ago. wtf
masturbating men general
manmary gland
speaking of mammary glands claire saffitz' breast milk is probably like, heavy cream instead of milk
>>42353015u weren't lying >>42353227hnhnnnnnggg lactation
i’ve officially flipped my sleep schedule. i got to sleep at fucking 10am
>>42352916>>42352917>>42352921it's just the same kind of weird behavior you'd see in those other threads
raisa will rise again
>>42348429hot
masturbated my pathetic cock and noticed its gotten shorter
i need to fuck
i’m okay not fucking any time soon
i fuck.
i need to fuck claire saffitz
that would be cool i think
best 10 seconds of my life
i'm not even sure i could do 5 secs
moid minded general
watching claire soffit’s videos without lust in my heart
watching claire saffitz videos with a burning desire for her body in my heart
watching claire saffitz with an undying thirst for her breast milk
spent the entire morning scraping poop off my bathroom walls after an unfortunate toilet round last night
can we talk about something other than poop or gooning?
you pick the next topic
can the next thread be claire saffitz edition
>>42353822lets talk about our relationship with our fathers
>>42353827how about stuff we like to bake, if you all wanna keep it claire themed. or fictional characters we really relate to maybe?
ok yeah let's discuss our favorite smiling friends characters
my fav character is pim because i like his optimism :3
pim’s my favorite too! i even dressed up as him for halloween
>>42353841he's dead and my only regret in life is not being the one to do it
>>42353887I feel this so fucking hard. my father fled the country, I have no idea where he is, and I'll probably never see him again. but god damn do I want revenge on his sorry ass lol
>>42353830ok!
>>42353841mine was fine. i was always much closer to my mom, but he generally did his best to relate to me and was rarely bad to me. part of it was definitely my fault, i was super resentful when he and my mom divorced and never really got over it. also he got independently a little more annoying after anyway. he got religious and started taking my brother and i to church on weekends he had us (until i just told him i didn’t want to go, so i “lost out” on going out to breakfast after) and strangely his meatloaf got way worse. i used to love when he made the meatloaf at my mom’s because it was just like hers but he cooked it a bit longer or higher so the crust was crunchier. at his own apartment there was an absurd amount of onions and it was so soft and wet. he also put oats on top for some reason. anyway, he’s been dead almost 6 years now. i really should visit his mausoleum soon, it’s been a while
>>42353841died when I was 2
>>42353895i would resurrect mine just to beat him to death with a tire iron if i was able to
>>42353945boymoder dad
i have no idea why i asked this question i thought it would simply get shit on. my dad was just a guy that lived in my house until he left, and i was vaguely aware that i made him uncomfortable from a very young age so we stayed out of each other’s way
>>42353945that would be so cathartic
moided moders meekly meander while prissy passoids pejoratively pause and twinkhons twiddle tawny tweed so blubbering boymoders begrudge beauties since chaste chasers cheapen chaffing therefore homely hons honor horticulture.
wish i looked like a homely hon
>>42353977I clapped and sobbed and came a little
>>42353945https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOXJZ9nh9Mw
>>42354025when the coal is painfully relatable
>>42354075i don’t even listen to the front bottoms, i just know da song
i hate these moders more than the nazis
why tho
hot take, but i hate the nazis more
you need to relax
can't wear anything more "feminine" than this, actually feminine stuff kinda gives the ick and i dont know why so 80% of my wardrobe is just mom's shorts + women's t-shirts>inb4 fakemodernot the point, this is just enbymoding
fakemoder bc your fem are nice enough to wear shorts lol gottem
you ever get tired of posting the same b8 over and over or is this all you got going on in your life?
enbymoding is not manmoding
>>42354148what?>>42354152not a bait retard I'm just trying to change my style but idk how
my shoulders are wider than my hips so i’m self flagellating by never socially transitioning
sucking your dick so hard it hurts you and doesn't feel good at all, like vvacuum suction on your dick
When you have a convo in threads without using the reply feature, you just look schizo
>>42354177I totally had a stroke I guess, I meant to say "legs are fem enough to wear shorts"
>>42354259when I do it it's cool and mysterious though
if you didn’t reply it would’ve been 2x cooler and mysterious like me
how many of you drive
>>42354319…like outside…? why would i do that….. there are people out there…..
goslingmoder
>>42354269eh just luck i have big thighs and I shave often>>42354319never learned
>>42354368if it makes you feel any better most of the people outside won't hurt you
>>42354319i love driving and cars its my most malebrained trait
>>42354397alll of them hurt me with their eyeballs and evil thoughts
I drive.
i mode
>>42354259as long as there’s no unrelated replies in between, i like the look of it
>>42354319me. i have kind of always hated driving, and was terrified of it when i started, but because i was the first one of my friends with a car i’ve driven them around tons so i’m comfortable with it and drive often
weird how everyone just kinda forgot about abu ghraib
i think forgot is a strong word
weird how everyone just kinda forgot about dre
I'll never forget that picture of the prisoner standing on the box
kiss me kiss me I'm ms always wants to be kissed
>>42354532wasn’t the nazi tatoo guy from maine at abu ghraib?
>>42354111anti american post
i wish i had a boymoder / manmoder gf / bf
>>42354723as i strive for
its actually time for sw this time im gonna kms lol
leg shaving day finally! i skipped last time so this should be really nice
a man taking a picture of himself in the mirror, an album cover, inspired by Ion Andreescu, light dark long hair. apathetic, nonbinary model, cell phone photo, he is about 20 years old, without makeup, waving at the camera, androgynous male, outfit photo, 1 / 4 headshot, alex flores, 2021bruh i just saw a video of a passoid piping a fat chick and now im pissed i got a baby dick
>>42354776show
show us manmoder micropenis
>>42354798https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1768443985775426.webm
having a big dick sounds awful though i don't want to feel it there all the time>a woman sitting in a chair in front of a red light, a picture, reddit, in square-rimmed glasses, discord profile picture, bangs and wavy hair, pov photo
>>42354836mogging me
>redditwhat the fuck
>>42354834hoooolyyyy fuck i need to lock tf in
>>42354836fakemoder
>>42354834the trans girl mogs the cis one…i’ll never pass
>>42354864i'm the trvest moder to ever post here i just have long hair which makes you pass to ai i guess
>>42354874i have long hair and do not pass to ai
>>42354817pop el wiro
>>42354834Fuck imagine just sliding into her and fucking her into that slampig until she goes limp. Trannies have the most pathetic thrusts. Tranny topping exists only as a mating ritual to attract real tops.
what the fuck
trannies are bad at topping because they are all comptops
>>42354319I have a license but haven't driven in like 6 years or something
i'm bad at topping because my cock is 3 inches long
>>42354834that was so unsexy I'm going to sleep
>>42355201>>42355220Trannies are bad at topping because they are women and women are bottoms.
you're being gross
i can top fatties and twinks and some twinkhons but not anything else
>>42354319i mode
>>42354541just saying desu people love to (albeit rightfully) bring up how saudi arabia is le evil but the us did/does far worse shit and everyone just seems okay with it
i top masc man ass
>>42355293it's incredibly how much worse the us is than anybody else, it just has the propaganda to defend itself and the financial power to organise all the bloodshed and famine and genocides and child soldiers and coltan slaves to happen overseas where it appears to be somebody else's fault
kinda pointless differentiating between the Saudis and Burgerstan when we're on the same team
>where it appears to be somebody else's faultnobody's stupid enough to actually believe thisthe truth is no one gives a fuck what goes on in any part of the worldas long as amazon delivers shit to your door and there's a mcdonald's 10 minutes in any direction
college level political discourse let's talk about israel
israel bad okay next topic
well i think Israel GOOD
cut the back of my hand and wrist twice while shaving :( turns out i’m really bad shaving lefty
>>42355423cool and correct
antisemitism general
i have a really bad feeding kink but my bf can't cook and i'd just get male fat distribution anyways so there's no point
>>42355522i hate israel, not jewish people
>>42355563>i don't hate jews i just don't want them to have a homeland where they can live in safetyok chud
this is beyond coal bait
god forbid i’m against bombing hospitals and shooting kids
time to inject :D
>>42355673don't you dare make innocent smol beans think about the bones they sit upon!!
>we should get all of a people of a certain type and concentrate them in one place away from other people>oh and kill the people that were living there>this is progressive
>>42355791amerikkka is literally founded on these principlesyou're a patriot, aren't you? you don't hate the U S of A, do you?
doxxmoder if you read this kill yourself please and thank you :)
>>42355867not a fan teebeehon
>>42355888rent free
>>42355867maoistmoder general (based based based)
>>42356047no way, fag, I'm anti-authoritarian not some cucked bootlicker tankie
born to bottom, forced to top
>>42356065too bad, “amerikkka” is maoist standard english
born to top, forced to bottom(actually)
born to scissor, forced to frot
>>42356435