>>42632972
Why do mistreated and abused people without proper support structures who are raised in a hyper-violent culture lash out against the people who have abused them????????? retard

>>42632972
>"keep"
>finds three (3) examples out of the over thousand school shootings in American history

>>42632972
do you mean men?

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>>42634092
>they were le asking for it!!!!!1
uh huh hon
>hyper-violent culture
>canada

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>>42634101

The one from today was from Canda. Also, it has been many more than 3 in the US. Even more if you ad in repressors.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cr5lnzqdr5pt

>>42634143
early medical intervention would have prevented this

>>42634092
besides no matter the society you people can not be trusted

>>42634092
>affirm us as something we aren't or we'll kill you, bigot!
You people need to be vanquished.

>>42632972
a member of the persecuted minority infamously known for mental comorbidities is mentally ill enough to grab her family's gun and shoot everyone?

also, train found on railway

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>>42629897
DO WE NEED TEN THREADS?

>>42634092
canada loves troons and they shoot up schools anyways

conversly, we don't see any troon shootings in muslim countries where jewish doctors aren't allowed to cut retards' penii off

>>42634273
>>42634092
>A reporter asked deputy commissioner Dwayne McDonald if he could talk about "any information you have regarding Jesse experiencing bullying at the school [or] any sort of difficulty at the school because of the transition from male to female".

>McDonald said he had no information to suggest this was the case, but Jesse dropped out of school around four years ago and wasn't attending school.

so just a mentally ill murderous freak

>>42632972
I’m just shooting into the air. It’s not my fault if some of the bullets go on to pursue education

so i wonder if this tranny was "racist" and "anti jew" too, same as robin westman
all of this is from those online cults the fbi was talking about

>>42634393
Why is that implausible? Both trannyism and chuddies are sequelae of autism and most mass shooters are autists

>>42632972
i could have saved her
(and the other people, indirectly)

>>42634447
i don't think it's implausible
if you read about those cults that have been mentioned they are all about that
gender bending, cutting, abusing family members and pets on live streams, weird sex stuff and humiliation
it's all very ritualistic black mirror shit

>>42634282
did you know that society is greater than the lower education system

>>42634143
That is a whole different nigga than op picrel
They're really grasping at straws here

>>42634288
Are you genuinely mentally retarded
>>42634306
>no high school
Yeah nigga that would be concerning to any non brainlet where are xis parents

>>42634092
….Are you calling those children abusive?

>>42634092
canada is the most trans place on earth

>>42634092
>The hyper violent children of Canadian society are to blame and had it coming all along
Death cult cope

>>42632972
Because they're men.

There is something about being raised a man that ingrains the idea that you are allowed to do violence to people. That's why women and trans men almost never do this.

>>42634187
She started transitioning at 12 you fucking idiot.

>>42634092
Yeah those twelve year old kids really had it coming.

>>42634121
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>>42635154
this is bumfuck rural northern BC near the alberta border, it's as right-wing as canada comes, like actual separationist territory. I guarantee you she was treated like shit by everyone in and around her life

>>42635167
trannies think that making toddlers troon out will make everything fine

>>42635232
Not if she accessed hormones and began to transition at 12.

>>42635232
>The perpetrator is the victim
>The victims are the perpetrators
It's crazy how you deranged lunatics operate on a complete inversion of everything, absolutely deranged cult.

>>42635155
This pattern basically disproves """gender identity"""" bullshit. If ftms were really men, they'd shoot up schools, and mtfs were really women, they wouldn't.

i like how everyone itt conveniently forgets the preschool shooter lol

>>42635232
Lots of people all over there world after treated like shit every day and don't shoot up school children.

>>42635305
It's crazy how you have a tiny dick and get zero pussy

Why do trans persons pretend so hard that the overwhelming majority of their kind are totally mentally right in the head and would never do shit like this?

I’m gay and I’ve always seen gay males as weird. It’s just magnified tenfold with the trans crowd.

>>42635305
the purpose of their cult is to change reality to their perversive imaginings thus justifying it
very jewish behavior

im actually kinda falling to the psyop.
are we actually inherantly predisposed to mass violence? like immutably? should i just end it to save others from myself

>>42634092
This is probably bait. But I wouldn’t be surprised if it wasn’t.

>>42632972
There's been more tranny shooters than actual female school shooters because trannies are men and shooting strangers because of your frustrated nerd virgin life issues is a man activity.

It's probably 764/NVE adjacent rather than connected to trannyism proper. Not that anyone will care.

>>42635306
Ftms do shoot up schools tho
Mtfs who shoot up schools simply aren't mtfs they're still just men
Simple as

>>42635328
Nah that was the shooter bro

>>42635361
People who are deeply traumatized and abused will be more mentally unstable, yes. The solution is youngshits and legitimate trans acceptance across society. Else this will keep on happening forever and ever.

>>42635390
>they actually change their gender
they cannot. the psychosis is proof.

>>42635413
Meaningless word salad

>>42635361
…Are you really asking if trans persons are mentally unwell…? …Really? …Are you only now suspicious about this…?

LOOK
IN
THE
FUCKING
MIRROR
YOU
RETARDED
FUCKING
MAGGOT

>>42635361
Violence is the ultimate malebrained behavior. You don't see pooners doing mass shootings despite being trans as well. Its like the whole concept of trans is just a vapid lie for the mentally ill.

>>42635390
How many FTMs have shot up a school? Like one?

>>42635434
>You don't see pooners doing mass shootings
But there was one, though. One (1).

>>42635412
yeah but im already deeply traumatized and abused.
16 yo for HRT, SA'd like 5 times atp, full rape once.
And given im using this board...
idk. like seriously am i gonna some day just.

>>42635434
>You don't see pooners doing mass shootings despite being trans as well.
Uh... there have been 3 or 4 pooner shooters by now

>>42635430
ftm is crazy
mtf is crazy
they both shoot children

>>42635446
No, this is across a population, not necessarily true of individuals. You probably won't.

>>42635434
this is the first MTF shooter tho?
the other like 3 were all FTMs

>>42635454
Cis whites are crazy
Cis blacks are crazy
They both shoot children
Whatever dude

>>42635461
>this is the first MTF shooter
debatable.

Crazy how you moronic freaks think fat balding men with stubble in pink dresses was ever normal.

Fuck ALL of you. You are too weak to tell these people to fuck off. Passing trannies are too cowardly to gatekeep the crazies and the thrill seekers and the mentally ill.

>>42635412
>Submit to our ever increasing demands or the violence will continue
Peak male behavior

>>42635447
Post them

>>42635412
>we should be allowed to groom children and rewrite society to cater to us or else we'll keep mass murdering
do you WANT to be genocided?

>>42635469
sure
see you at the next one

>>42635461
>first MTF shooter
Nope

>>42635474
>fat balding men with stubble in pink dresses was ever normal
This wouldn't happen if we didn't force trannies to
rep until they inevitably John 50 because you can only cure dysphoria by transitioning. Like it's in such plain sight. You're the real moronic freaks you (masses) are the reason why they shoot up schools it's because their circumstances drive them insane. Seriously we should put all midwits and bog-median freaks like you who are incapable of critical thinking into one massive pigpen.

>>42635474
idc about the ALL but if you're not just talk i could use some dick?

>>42635480
OTOH

Audrey Hale
Snochia Moseley
Alec McKinney

>>42635508
>1% of the global population
>vs 8 billion people
k

>>42635508
>ONE guy goes crazy from not being able to control his fantasies therefore all trannies are actually trutrans and will heckin' DIE if they don't get to LARP as women
okay

>>42635508
But the shooter wasn't a John 50 and transitioned at 12 years old? which was pretty much the case for the rest of the troonshooters. Funny how the so called cure just made everything worse for both themselves and all the victims, looks like you are not very capable at the whole critical thinking aspect you like to parrot but you really excel at delusions.

>>42632972
frankly it's a testament to the transsexual's nature as a complete fucking doormat for cissoids that this doesn't happen more often. we are vastly more mentally ill than the rest of the population, vastly more oppressed and harassed than the rest of the population, and vastly more likely to commit suicide. if you don't want trannies to lose their shit and shoot up schools maybe you should rethink the treating us like pond scum strategy because eventually someone's going to snap.

>>42635482
I'm not threatening or saying I'll shoot up kids. It's not a warning, I'm just stating that this is what will happen because that's how it works. I'm not trans nor AGP nor repper I just think that it's weird you cling to your dogshit idea that somehow treating some 1% of the legitimately dysphoric population is tantamount to "grooming" the other 99% into all being sex inverts.

Rules of society? Yeah sure buddy society has never changed and everything that is socially acceptable now is the exact same as it was in 1600. Our understanding of sex and gender is the exact same as it was centuries ago.

No one wants to transition kids who don't want to transition and no one has ever wanted to do that shit you freaks. I just think it's so motherfucking obvious that if we treat the people who need to be treated with what they would require to stop suffering, things would improve. It's a dead-simple idea.

>>42635508
>because you can only cure dysphoria by transitioning
Um, no? How about you learn to accept yourself for who you are? Fucking idiot. It might be hard, but it’s possible. You may even be born to a life of suck. It sucks. It is how it is. I can only respect them for not giving a fuck. Shamelessness. But there IS a limit to shamelessness, even still.

>>42635542
Never said all trannies are trutrans idk where you got that from I'm clearly saying that people who present with gender dysphoria early in life should not be put in environments where they are forced to repress somehow. GD early in childhood with minimal external influence is as trutrans as it gets.

>>42635567
>give us everything or we murder your kids
going full terrorism I see

>>42632972
How come I can not find the pics of the shooter on news sites? Why would they hide this?

>>42635607
It's responsible reporting to not amplify the shooter or make them famous as a reward for their disgusting behavior.

>>42635576
The average person cannot do this. I don't have any experience with it I guess but it's a very simple observation you can make yourself that the reason we have boomer sissies in amazon skirts is because they could not successfully rep.
>>42635551
One youngshit shooter who just happened to be mentally ill and also dropped out of high school 4 years ago. The rest are non-passing hons/poons many with other preexisting mental conditions that make them not too different from regular school shooters really...

>>42635624
But they do often show the shooters. Why are they not doing it this time??? I know we are supposed to act like school shootings happen everyday so we feel smart/smug, but it's sooo weird that they choose to not show their face. Curious.

>>42635645
I know you think you're nooticing something here but you're just retarded.

>>42635567
unfortunately this trvke is exactly the goal, chuds are invariably accelerationists with no legitimate empathy or sympathy for the victims of shootings, a trans shooter is exactly what they want

>>42635665
I'm retarded for noticing something? How does that work? Help a retard out since you seem to be all knowing. Why aren't they showing this person? Why is it ok to sometimes show the shooter?

>>42634092
But manlets rarely shoot up schools?

Rough tranny times. First they are exposed even more for being batshit insane, and now they can't molest children in Discord. Poor trannies. We need to send them bigger disability checks.

>>42635624
And yet usually they do it. They also usually announce the name far more quickly than this and don't bother with funny workarounds like 'gunperson' or warn kids in actual danger of being shot to avoid a 'female in a dress with brown hair'.

Remember that we can prevent 99% of school shootings (potentially 100%) if we banned anyone with a y chromosome from doing anything except working in sewers and mines.

>>42635668
exactly. they want to ragebait and harass people until they snap, and when they do the chud can say “see how violent and unstable they are? oppress!” chuds are evil and the biggest fucking crybullies ever. all of these sadistic sociopathic fucks need to be fucking gassed for the good of humanity

>>42634202
Oh so we should get rid of guns yeah? >>42634222
We are transgender people from non transgender people who had children. Those children make more families who make more people which occasionally includes a trans person. We ain’t going anywhere pal even if you wipe us out. >>42635104
Yes
>>42635454
Yea

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>>42635576
>How about you learn to accept yourself for who you are?

>>42635698
Probably because shooter's height is rarely posted desu

>>42635691
nta but news media should never show the shooter unless it's a manhunt situation. Giving shooters publicity is exactly how you promote more shootings. Discussion about shootings should not be focused on the individual shooter but the culture and failures that allowed it to happen
Idk where you got the idea that it's sometimes OK to show the shooter. it is almost never OK, it's actually very very far from OK, but that's the state of "journalism" in the social media disinformation age.

>>42635567
Trannies are far less oppressed than, say, black people prior to the civil rights movement and yet are significantly more violent on a per capita basis. Which is doubly odd when you consider black adults in the 50s and 60s would have had far easier access to guns than random teenagers stealing shit from their parents (well, parent, since we know the father isn't gonna be there).

Damn it, why couldn't it have been a cis woman!?

>>42635691
>>42635724
You're retarded because you're hallucinating things that didn't happen, it's common for pictures and information to be scarce on the early days in MSM because they need to vet everything to make sure they aren't posting fake shit. Why am I even engaging with you. You don't care about the actual reality of the world. You are probably a teenager or a third world slime. What the fuck am I doing.

>>42635786
>trannies are more violent than blacks
Lmao ok

>>42635567
>way more oppressed than the rest of the population
When? When you were working on plantations as chattel or used as broodmares?
Shut the fuck up. Just because you are weak and retarded doesn't mean you are oppressed.

>>42635606
i don't believe that you believe that's what i meant. i will not engage with a bad faith response, if you have something of worth to say then feel free to share.
>>42635668
>a trans shooter is exactly what they want
exactly this. and when you point out that this is a product of their actions, they'll feign outrage at you 'threatening' them. they are snakes who hate us and truth or morals are of no value to them.

>>42635792
anon is right. I'd rather be around a black woman than a white mtf

>>42635786
>Trannies are far less oppressed than, say, black people prior to the civil rights movement and yet are significantly more violent on a per capita basis
laughably wrong
i would expect a rightoid to know better than this, but none of you are actually racists anymore.

>>42635791
In this case the police delayed the identification not the media. I'm the second anon you're replying to and I specifically never mentioned the media. This is a common pattern, like the british police not identifying a man with literal al quaedia material as terrorist related for months.

>>42635852
The modern day situation for trannies is nothing compared to the Jim Crow era experience of black people in the american south.

>>42635791
Riiiiight. Imagine a tranny telling someone else they are making shit up. And I do care about the reality of the world. That is why I am asking why is it OK to post shooters sometimes, but when they are "special" it isn't? If this guy wasn't a perverted crossdressing creep, his face would be all over the place. But, I'm the one who is out of touch with reality, kek

>>42635815
we can't get hired, we can't get housed, homeless trannies can't access resources (read this girl the other day talking about how she has to sleep on the street because the men's shelter gets full and they won't let her in the women's), our access to hrt is gatekept and we are forced through our natal puberties, we are more likely to be murdered, more likely to be raped, we are mistreated in mental institutions, we are denied recognition by our governments, we are harassed and run out of bathrooms, our sex lives are policed and we are framed as predators, and the united states government considers allyship with us an indicator of domestic terrorism that warrants putting you on a watchlist.

>>42635867
They identified the shooter literally the day after the shooting happened. That's how it works. You are experiencing schizophrenic hallucinations.

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>>42635882
i'm talking about the "more violent on a per capita basis" claim, oppression is difficult to quantify so there's no point arguing about it
violent crime is relatively easy to measure and trannies commit almost none of it

>>42635815
Does this still happen to blacks?

>Just accept your body for what it is
This deletes the tranny

>>42635898
The police stated they knew the identity 10+ hours before they bothered to announce it. They referred to the shooter as a 'gunperson' instead of 'gunman' or 'gunwoman'. While the shooting was happening, literally happening, they sent warnings out to people's phones calling the shooter a 'female in a dress'. There is a non-zero chance children might be dead due to an inability to speak the truth.

>>42635927
You can't accept women not liking you for that tho

>>42635742
>gas the chuds
Chuds are victims. These are basement neets that got indoctrinated into being socially radioactive. It's shocking how quickly chuds can drop the act and be fairly normal people if someone shows interest in them and is nice to them, probably why trannies and chuds end up e-dating, they're both just unused to not be hated by someone

>>42635927
i am not deleted, as you can tell by the fact that i continue to post
"accept things as they are" is the mantra of a slave.

>>42635505
>>42635473
who else?

is there any reporting on relations between this an NVE/764?

>>42635897
You can't get hired because you're unstable. You can't afford housing because you're too unstable to keep a job. Even when homeless, you care more about your personal fetish than survival. HRT is "gatekept" because of medical necessity instead of wasting money. You get murdered because you try so desperately to lie/"pass" and trick men into fucking men, which freaks them out. You get raped because you're whole life is about sexual fetishizing yourselves. You are mistreated in mental institution's because you are unstable who argues with everyone about everything and it's always everyone else's fault. The government does not put your made up gender on an ID card because it's supposed to be accurate. You scare people in bathrooms by being mentally unwell. You spend your entire time online molesting children in Discord servers and Roblox which is why you all get framed as predators.

Please, Tranny. Take off the panties and come back to reality

>>42635897
>we cant get hired
Bullshit. I had an AGP working at my middle school as a principal and this was ages ago. He worked with KIDS and still was able to keep his job. Not my fault you put your fetish before anything else.
>can't get housed
This has more to do with the fact that you are mentally ill and autistic and lack the basic skills to work with others. People are forced to cater to you unless you live in a third world country, in which case your fetish for wearing dresses was your downfall.
>More likely to be raped
LMAO shut the fuck up. More likely to be raped than who? non MtF men? Faggots? Women? Give me a fucking break. You are the ones who go out stealthing and lying to straight men about your dicks and then get surprised when he finds out, and chimps out making you retards past tense
>Mistreated in mental institutions
You literally cannot function anywhere because you are demanding the world cater to your delusions.
>Sex lives are policed
Boo hoo transbians cant break the cotton ceiling. No one is entitled to sex.

No one wants to be an ally with you fuckers because all you ever do is complain and offer nothing of value to society. You demand free horse piss for your misogyny fetish, free surgeries, and it ultimately does nothing.
You aren't oppressed, you're just a porn addict.

>>42635939
>The police stated they knew the identity 10+ hours before they bothered to announce it.
This is common when reporting major violent incidents
>They referred to the shooter as a 'gunperson' instead of 'gunman' or 'gunwoman'
Because they had no idea if the person identified male or female
>While the shooting was happening, literally happening, they sent warnings out to people's phones calling the shooter a 'female in a dress'. There is a non-zero chance children might be dead due to an inability to speak the truth.
This is a schizophrenic hallucination. How do you think the cops would've known it was a tranny while the shooting was happening? They were going off of information from calls ON THE SCENE.

>>42635925
has this EVER happened to trannies?

>>42635999
>You are the ones who go out stealthing and lying to straight men about your dicks and then get surprised when he finds out, and chimps out making you retards past tense
this doesn't actually happen
"trans panic" is almost entirely fake, the murderers know their victims are trans before they have sex and represent themselves as ok with it. they are DL chasers. the murder happens when their friends find out, or when they get scared that their friends might find out.

Trannies are so fucking low iq they will support suicidal movements like ‘queers for Palestine’ kek

These people wouldn’t be alive in any other era. Only now can genetics produce such morons.

>>42635167
False, she was not on hrt.

Who are more volint ? Trans people or incels?

>>42635897
>He said, comfortably posting while being completely housed and having the state pay him both welfare and funding his hormones
Crazy how supposedly going through such ordeals you can afford time at leisure to defend the honor of some mass shooter on an anonymous image board, does the homeless jobless part comes with an internet plan?

>>42636034
>this doesn't actually happen
I have had fights on this very board because MtFs are demanding "the right to stealth". Holy shit you are so insincere.

Even in your second scenario this is just an issue that will happen just as much with faggots. Since males are wildly homophobic. This includes the trannies who would rather chop their weinor off than live as the faggots they truly are.

>>42636056
I feel like incels aren’t delusional enough to deny basic facts of life. Trannies deny all sorts of basic facts of life. That makes the incel a lot less insufferable to deal with. “Yes of course black people have lower IQs on average, what are you a retard?” as they shoot you. Compare that to “I AM A REAL WOMAN” as you get shot. Which is more annoying?

>>42636004
>This is common when reporting major violent incidents
What's the delay in other comparable shootings? Once they've already stated they know who did it.

>Because they had no idea if the person identified male or female
If they didn't know that why did they warn of a 'female in a dress'? At that point the term gunwoman would make sense. And why don't they regularly refer to shooters as gunpersons? Can you show me a single example of that phrasing being used in a previous mass shooting in Canada?

>This is a schizophrenic hallucination. How do you think the cops would've known it was a tranny while the shooting was happening? They were going off of information from calls ON THE SCENE.
Because it was a tiny community and the shooter had attended the school recently. And the police had been to the house multiple times due to previous mental health and violence concerns including seizing (and returning) guns to the household. Do you really think the people calling were describing a blatant tranny as a 'female in a dress'? And again if that was the phrase they were hearing why the phrase gunperson?

>>42636083
>anon: that doesn't happen
>you: then how come i've gotten into arguments about it online huh?
are you really this retarded or is it just for show?

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>>42635232
Looks very right wing to me

>>42636089
trannies and incels are literally the same thing. Autistic copelets. One just copes by injecting horse pee and chopping off his dingdong

>>42635897
I've worked with trannies who don't experience any of that because they're normal people. They're just older ones from before it became trendy instead of people with other mental illnesses who've been sold an incorrect diagnosis instead of actual cures and treat troondom as a community/identity not a birth defect to be corrected.

>>42636083
>I have had fights on this very board because MtFs are demanding "the right to stealth". Holy shit you are so insincere.
and i am saying that nobody gets killed for having sex with a straight man while stealth
they get killed for having sex with insecure chasers

>>42636115
>I-I swear it doesn't happen! And i-i-i-if it did happen it wasn't that bad.
I wasn't the one who came up with the term 'stealthing'.

>>42636140
oh so now they DO stealth when >>42636115
said they NEVER stealth?

>>42636181
>>42636199
stealth =/= having sex with men who don't know you're trans =/= surprise dick

>>42635992
>You spend your entire time online molesting children in Discord servers and Roblox
'ur a groomer!1!' card played, opinion invalidated.

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>>42635923
>violent crime is relatively easy to measure and trannies commit almost none of it
Most attempts to measure this have failed because the raw numbers are too low and historic collection of data hasn't bothered with gender identity. The closest you get is shit like picrel which again is skewed fairly heavily by the studied population and category of crime but generally speaking transwomen trend towards male patterns in criminality over female patterns. Transmen have even less of an evidence base to call either way.

If you or anyone else has useful studies either way it'd be interesting to read them. Stuff like the Sweden study is really pretty useless.

>>42636243
your picrel is almost completely made up btw

>>42636243
This image is made up, the links in the pic do not support the claims. Blood libel basically.

>>42636243
>but generally speaking transwomen trend towards male patterns in criminality
Hmmm, I wonder why that is

>>42636094
>What's the delay in other comparable shootings?
Usually up to a few days, it's extremely uncommon for the cops to instantly report the information they have unless there's pressing safety reasons. For example, the Columbine Shooters were identified the very day of the killings, but were not identified to the media until the day after.
>If they didn't know that why did they warn of a 'female in a dress'? At that point the term gunwoman would make sense. And why don't they regularly refer to shooters as gunpersons? Can you show me a single example of that phrasing being used in a previous mass shooting in Canada?
The 'gunperson' term was used after the police had found the body and realized it was a tranny in a dress, as opposed to the reporting on the scene of it being a woman in a dress, which you are having schizophrenic hallucinations attributing the police to having omniscience and instantly knowing it was a tranny while the shooting was currently happening and before they even had eyes on the scene.
>Because it was a tiny community and the shooter had attended the school recently. And the police had been to the house multiple times due to previous mental health and violence concerns including seizing (and returning) guns to the household.
That does not mean the police instantly knew who was performing the shooting, you schizophrenic moron.
>Do you really think the people calling were describing a blatant tranny as a 'female in a dress'? Yes, I do believe that that is infinitely more plausible than the woke police telepathetically determining that they were trying to save the feefees of all the trannies in the world in a vast conspiracy that only schizophrenics like you are attributing to them because you fucking obsess over trans people and haunt our forum, eager to engage with us over every single little thing the right-wing media commands you to bother us with, you fucking retarded annoying zombie schizo

>>42635999
>I had an AGP working at my middle school as a principal and this was ages ago.
okay, i know autism spectrum disorder has a pretty strong foothold on this website, but when i say something like "we cant get hired" i don't actually mean that no transsexual has ever worked a job in the history of our species.
>>42636077
>while being completely housed and having the state pay him both welfare and funding his hormones
i can't imagine being so confident about the life of someone else who i have literally never spoken to and know nothing about.
>>42636133
>I've worked with trannies who don't experience any of that
you're familiar with every adverse experience your coworkers have?

>>42636020
It doesn't have to. Why does it have to? The point I would make is that trans oppression is less broad physical and mental abuse than it is extremely isolating in a way that in due time is guaranteed to cause extreme suffering to anyone who experiences it. Being black is not the same thing. I'm definitely not saying that their material conditions were better- slaves objectively had worse material conditions full stop, but for one, it's amazing how much the human mind can withstand when you have community of some kind.

Trannies have absolutely nothing. They don't even have themselves. Everyone betrays them. Their own bodies betray them. Your body is killing itself because you have a physiological illness that drives you to insanity if you do not become the opposite sex, and there's no TRUE cure other than transitioning medically, and there's about a 14-year time limit after which that become impossible for the rest of your miserable life.
Also you truly don't have the right to medical autonomy even in this day and age until you are both over 18 and financially independent. You can barely even elect to influence medical decisions that are made to your body. The only time your consent matters is when it is convenient for adults that you agree with them, or when they simply cannot get away with what they want to do to you without your explicit consent because someone else is watching. cont

>>42636217
>having sex with men who don't know you're trans
NTA but sex by fraud removes consent. That's established as a general rule which is why removing a condom when you've promised to use one is classifiable as assault. Therefore having sex or even getting relatively physically intimate with a dude you can reasonably expect wouldn’t consent if he knew pretty justifiably opens you up to claims of self defence and the like. That's a different game from murdering in cold blood after the fact obviously but if a surprise dick appears and he beats the shit out of the transgirl that's heat of the moment enough for it to apply.

>>42636020
>>42636305
Systems of oppression marginalized groups exist under can be weighed against each other, but the suffering itself is *inherently* different. Suffragettes were not wanting to transition to male en masse, neither were black abolitionists wanting to 'transition to white' (whatever that could mean biologically or aesthetically speaking). If an individual had such inclinations, it was typically exclusively to escape the social conditions under which one was placed for their sex or race, and not simply for the sake of becoming male/white. Most females would be deeply disturbed and get dysphoria if they suddenly started virilizing, a black person would probably get some kind of racial dysmorphia if they started morphing into a white person.

>>42636319
Removing a condom is assault because you could ejaculate semen into and impregnate someone without their consent. You are explicitly performing an act that was not consented to beforehand. Trannies simply exist

>>42635999
>was able to keep his job.
hey so do you notice that this is different from getting hired
do you think she would have gotten where she was if she'd been openly trans the whole time

>>42636319
hi anon, i've decided i fucking hate people who own ballpoint pens. now, if you ever want to have sex again, you HAVE to tell them if you own any ballpoint pens, because they might be someone like me who is concerned about this ballpoint pen movement and doesn't want to be involved with ballpoint pen owners, and that would be rape by deception.

>>42636338
999 is not arguing in good faith. He thinks people transition for a fetish and not because of dysphoria. Don't bother, it's pointless to try and present a sound logical argument to someone who simply hates you first and foremost, and searches for a justification to hate you after the fact.

>>42636319
in what universe do you think trans girls are whipping surprise dicks out during sex... getting murdered because someone thinks we "tricked" them is like, the oldest and most established tranny paranoia
i'm not saying it has never happened but it's really, really retarded to act like this is an issue worthy of attention, but then again that goes for almost everything people have to say in the vein of tranny moral panics. can't you instead care about something that actually fucking matters?

>>42636295
>Usually up to a few days, it's extremely uncommon for the cops to instantly report the information they have unless there's pressing safety reasons. For example, the Columbine Shooters were identified the very day of the killings, but were not identified to the media until the day after.
They stated they knew already. What's the benefit in waiting?

>The 'gunperson' term was used after the police had found the body and realized it was a tranny in a dress, as opposed to the reporting on the scene of it being a woman in a dress, which you are having schizophrenic hallucinations attributing the police to having omniscience and instantly knowing it was a tranny while the shooting was currently happening and before they even had eyes on the scene.
And there's never been another case of that terminology being used. Police likely knew the identity by then. Also if the body was visibly a tranny how does your claim that people calling in would use the term 'female in a dress' track?

>That does not mean the police instantly knew who was performing the shooting, you schizophrenic moron.
>Yes, I do believe that that is infinitely more plausible than the woke police telepathetically determining that they were trying to save the feefees of all the trannies in the world in a vast conspiracy that only schizophrenics like you are attributing to them because you fucking obsess over trans people and haunt our forum, eager to engage with us over every single little thing the right-wing media commands you to bother us with, you fucking retarded annoying zombie schizo
But you've just said they only used the term gunperson because the body was visibly a man in a dress. So why would people phoning up use the word female? Are you suggesting that a rural Canadian population stressed and hiding from an active shooter wouldn't say something like 'man in a dress' or 'tranny' and if so surely that would be a far more useful description for a warning about an active shooter.

>>42636305
>you will go insane if you don't become the opposite sex.
The issue is you CANT become the opposite sex. You can get all the surgeries in the world and you still are a slave to your biology. It's not the rest of the worlds fault you are such a sexist that you are unable to accept that sex is nothing more than biology.
And your attempted description of trans for black people and women is fucking retarded.
Women don't just morph into men and same goes for black people and race changing. Even when MJ got crazy vitiligo or whatever he was still always black. A woman who might get masculine with age or PCOS or whatever is still always a woman.
A male born a male isn't in some big surprise moment unless hes turbo retarded.
Trannies are just mentally ill. Most are porn addicts. Nearly universally they are misogynists'

>>42636297
>you're familiar with every adverse experience your coworkers have?
They self-evidently had a job, a house and weren't in a mental institution. I also had enough conversations with them to know they had decent enough experiences in life otherwise. Funnily they said the main problems they encountered were after the big political push of the last 15 or so years turned the average person against them but then they were older and in STEM so maybe that sheltered them somewhat.

>>42636450
>They stated they knew already. What's the benefit in waiting?
Schizo retard. It's standard police procedure, because they're busy investigating and want to make sure the public, which is full of schizos like you, doesn't interfere and they're able to reach the appropriate relatives before media or nutcases do.
>And there's never been another case of that terminology being used.
Because it's not often that a shooter appears to be a male in a dress.
>Also if the body was visibly a tranny how does your claim that people calling in would use the term 'female in a dress' track?
There's a difference between having the corpse on hand and getting a close look at it versus fleeing from a shooter, hiding and making a police call.

More importantly, how in your schizophrenic mind do you think the police telepathically knew exactly who and what the shooter was before they even laid eyes on them? I think you need to discuss these delusions with your psychiatrist and get your anti-psychotic doses raised. Imagine having to be told you're a psychotic delusional by a tranny. LMAO.

>>42636482
>They self-evidently had a job, a house and weren't in a mental institution.
and you don't know how many jobs or housing opportunities they've been rejected from for being a tranny. i also didn't list being in a mental institution as an example, i said we get mistreated in mental institutions. sure, it sounds like she was on the luckier end of things and was overall doing fine, but this changes nothing as it relates to my original claim. trannies are very much oppressed, not that that's a surprise to anyone on this board who isn't a tourist.

>>42636277
>>42636279
From looking it up it's essentially as I described which is too low numbers and too spotty collection of data to draw sensible conclusions. Which is fine because the anon I responded to said it's pretty easy to prove trannies are not notably more or less criminal or violent which is false if nobody can get a handle on the stats one way or another.

This exact same problem exists for proving what % of trannies are genuine and what % are knowingly or unknowningly false/fake/misdiagnosed because if you can't provide either a total headcount or provide a condition to classify into genuine or fake you can't state most are real other than just wishful thinking. Of course you also can't state the inverse.

>pale lanky undersocialized edgy aspie weeaboo
It's literally always this archtype. I'm going to defend the trannies on this one. A hot shemale would never play enough Factorio to end up like this.

>>42636590
>which is too low numbers and too spotty collection of data
No, it is literally not in the sources, it is literally made up. It is not "too low numbers", someone made this forgery and falsely claimed pointed to some sources that do not support any of the claims.

>>42636038
shalom, kike

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just watched abc world news, they no sold his identity 'the shooter took her own life'

we live in hell man

>>42636521
>Because it's not often that a shooter appears to be a male in a dress.
Yeh it'd be pretty helpful to know about that if you were in the school while he was running around shooting at you.
>There's a difference between having the corpse on hand and getting a close look at it versus fleeing from a shooter, hiding and making a police call.
They were close enough to get the hair colour right apparently. You'd think they would at least include something like height. Still it's lucky they were nice and progressive with their terminology.

>More importantly, how in your schizophrenic mind do you think the police telepathically knew exactly who and what the shooter was before they even laid eyes on them?
I've lived in a small town and I know how this shit works. The perpetrator was known to police and had attended the school previously. They found the family bodies in the home very quickly. It's not hard to work this out.

>>42636646
>waaah I read words and ideas I dont like I'm in hell :(

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>>42636533
>very much oppressed
How many children were shot by feminists during the women’s suffrage movement?”

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>>42634092
>without proper support structures
>15 years and counting of the dominant cultural and social ideology bending over backwards to cater to your every mentally ill whim
lol

>>42636673
Ever heard of abortions?

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>>42636668
UM. a transvestite just murdered school children he's never met, his mom and her kid because his peers used words and ideas he didnt like

>>42636668
>waahhh I need to distract myself from not passing by watching more anime

>>42635412
"If you don't do what we want you will be killed" none of you are women

>um, if you heckin' disrespect me and my pronouns I'll do mass murder, chud!!
how about we just kill you all instead? how about that?

>>42636673
i don't think school shootings were really in vogue back then. plus they were, you know, women, not mentally ill high schoolers.

>>42636665
>They were close enough to get the hair colour right apparently.
You're now bending over backwards to try to make your hallucinations a reality. Sad. Seeing the color of someone's hair is instant, getting a close look at their face and working out that it's a tranny is not. It's not like this is some hulking gigantic man, look at the OP image you deluded schizo
>They found the family bodies in the home very quickly.
IS THAT SO?
>McDonald said Van Rootselaar’s mother, 39, and sibling, 11, were killed at the family home before the school shooting, but weren't discovered until 2:45 p.m. MST. A neighbour called police after a young female relative at the home went for help.
Oh wow. Look at that! You're getting basic facts about this case wrong. Almost like you're constructing a delusional hallucination in your head in real time.

Get psychiatric help. You need to be chemically lobotomized

>>42635390
Name a single ftm mass shooter

>>42636742
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uvalde_school_shooting

>>42636708
If you think I have any sympathy for the shooter you're mistaken, she's scum and deserves to burn in hell and you deserve to be raped by spikey demon dicks next to her

>>42635361
Men are for sure

>>42635430
If that's how you cope bro

>>42636673
The Suffragettes were terrorists and killed 4 people with bombing and arsons and injured dozens more.

I bet you thought the early feminists were nice, didn't you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffragette_bombing_and_arson_campaign

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>>42636615
>No, it is literally not in the sources, it is literally made up. It is not "too low numbers", someone made this forgery and falsely claimed pointed to some sources that do not support any of the claims.

I did some digging on it and the numbers more or less do exist, they're just not used well.

The two links mentioned:
https://archive.is/5bIVF
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/genderidentity/bulletins/genderidentityenglandandwales/census2021

But this link (source for picrel) is probably the best breakdown of the specific original image and its flaws, surprise surprise, says exactly what I've said about the small numbers and unreliable nature of the data. But for what it's worth even taking the most generous numbers it repeatedly comes up with mtf trannies offending at a rate similar to or higher than men as a whole. Feel free to go and read it.

https://scientificparentofatranskid.substack.com/p/fact-check-rates-of-sexual-offending

>>42636761
i thought he was stunning and brave especially when he shot himself in the head

>>42635508
The shooter transitioned at 12 and still went on a violent rampage there's no cure for this illness

>>42636831
read my post

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>>42635517
>no replies

>>42636870
>bombings and arson don't matter, only shootings
do you think their victims were somehow less dead?

>>42636881
By some lofty turn of phrase, they will indicate that the time for argument is past

>>42636625
Do you think this somehow erases the point being made? You’re a suicidal buffoon.

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>>42636336
Consent earned by fraud is not consent. Do you think the case in this image was ok?

>>42636373
Which is why I said reasonably expect. If you literally told me that and I lied about it to get you to consent that's fraudulently obtained but it's not reasonable to expect most people to have that preference.

>>42636409
I stated that doing it in cold blood is not the same situation.

>>42635167
“social transition” doesn’t stop turning into a disgusting moid, I blame theyfabs for making it such a centre point of trooning.

>>42636305
>that drives you to insanity if you do not become the opposite sex
That's because it's literally impossible to do that. The only difference is that this delusion is something we can do a decent job of visually approximating with dodgy surgery and misapplied hormones. For any other case we'd just treat the cause of the delusion or if that wasn't possible institutionalise the person to prevent their schizo tendencies from being a threat to both themselves and others.

>>42636945
If a woman fails to disclose that she had a diaper fetish to a man and has sex with him, is she raping him? She can reasonably assume he won't have sex with her if he knew she shits diapers

>>42636673
How many were shot by the black panthers?

>>42636945
first time I’ve seen a hefab SA case.

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This crossdressing faggot was incubated in a system that no longer tolerated "bullying" and has safe spaces for everyone.

He might have actually turned out for the better compared to what happened if there was a jock that beat him to a pulp.

>>42636833
>I did some digging on it and the numbers more or less do exist
No, feel free to check the sources
Also lol at the terf article that you linked which sites the Swedish study.

>>42636902
were they bombing schools to kill kids 12-13 and their teachers + their own family?

>>42636881
>>42635517
Audrey Hale was a pooner

>>42636673
yeah revolution means you shoot your oppressors lol not some random kids

>>42636945
>Which is why I said reasonably expect.
what's to stop me from saying you should reasonably expect me to not want to sleep with a sick ballpoint pen fetishist?
>If you literally told me that and I lied about it
the subject is not someone lying, but simply failing to disclose their transsexuality.

>>42636038
israelcuck fed

>>42636976
Generally speaking probably not. But that's not comparable as she can turn it on and off. In practice it might really be a bit more contextual also: for example if you'd both discussed your childhoods previously and chose not to disclose the fact you grew up primarily as a boy that's pretty intentionally hiding something you could reasonably assume to be relevant to the other person's decision.

>>42637045
A reasonable person is a broadly standard legal test and if you choose to hide something a reasonable person would be likely to object to you're in the wrong. The same thing actually applies to self defence itself as the right to engage in it is based on what a reasonable person would make of the situation and the need to resort to it.

>>42637048
She can't turn it on and off though. She is constantly thinking about the next time she gets to shit in diapers. Diaper fetishism is as integral to her as being female.

When she's discussing the kind of sex things they like she intentionally hides that in that very moment she's shitting a diaper and he's unaware. Is it rape?

>>42635155
>trans men almost never do this
Are you retarded? Literally every "trans school shooter" you niggers disingenuously blame on MTFs was a pooner.

>>42636986
i don't think they used indiscriminate mass murder to further their political goals

>>42635789
Because real women would never do this

>>42637087
>When she's discussing the kind of sex things they like she intentionally hides that in that very moment she's shitting a diaper and he's unaware. Is it rape?
Using someone else for your fetish without their consent is at the least sexual assault yes. Or a more minor form of sexual crime if the other person's participation is very minor. The same goes for stuff like public sex.

>>42637016
revolution means you take the power from your oppressors.

>>42635834
Damn ur right actually

>>42637009
Yeh it's almost like that's what anon was asked to list.

>>42637140
Please show me the law that says that pooping in a diaper for arousal in the presence of another person is a criminal act, I'm actually curious

gonna follow her steps soon
but im a passoid so dw our rep will get better cuz im hot

>>42637071
...why are you bringing the law into it? the subject is not whether failure to disclose is illegal (its not), but whether trannies should be expected to disclose (we shouldnt).

>>42635981
they won't care, they'll forget abt right wing ideology and just focus on the trans part

>>42637175
For the love of god if you're gonna light people up pick some lobbyists for big pharma or real estate firms that keep prices high or evangelical nuts or something, you schizos need to stop killing random kids

Alienation causes mass paranoia and violence. Gender dysphoria is the result of alienation. It did not exist until gender became a reified social category (read: marketing category) separated from labor division. Physical dysphoria is downstream from social dysphoria. People should do whatever they need to do to survive, but also none of this would be happening if not for this widespread alienation.

It would have been for the best for the average person to never have to think about trans people. Unfortunately all the public performative rallying cries for "rights" (made up liberal moral category removed from actual policy) and memes proliferated and made mentally ill people with identity issues latch onto trans identity as a bandaid for something much deeper, which is where you get cases like this. The shooter was trans in the same way a 12 year old tumblr user has "DID."

There is a reason HST oldfag passoids have never done anything like this. It's always fucked up brony mentally deranged ugly-ass AGPs doing skirt spinnies jacking off to gore.

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>>42637164
There's unlikely to be a law specifically about that but you could probably prove it was sexual harassment, potentially assault if it was being done knowingly without your consent. I'd imagine the bar is pretty high in practice though for one thing you'd have to prove the self-shitting was intentional and for the purposes of sexual gratification. Taking a look at the UK or at least England & Wales you'd potentially fall under this which is one of the very lowest categories (also I'm not a lawyer just an autist).

Similarly simple public sex isn't always an offence depending on the place but sometimes it depends on how many people see it/are likely to have seen it and other similar stuff.

>>42637180
The point was that consent via fraud is not consent, and the use of proportional violence in such a situation can fall either under self defence or mitigating circumstances for assault depending on the context. That's true in a legal sense in many western nations if if it's true in a morale sense is up to your own sense of morality.

>>42637231
I got to the part where you used the word "reified" and I immediately knew you need to go outside and live actual life. I'm not trying to be mean to you. There's so much more joy to to being alive that you haven't realized.

>>42637288
I used that word because I'm a professor with a philosophy degree who read too much critical theory in undergrad. I do love life, which is why I live every day in protest of alienation. Nothing in my post indicates otherwise. This is my first time posting here in ~5 years, take a guess as to why I thought I'd check in.

>>42637231
Alienation and isolation aren’t excuses to lash out at the innocent. It’s a lack of will that leads to this shit. They were evil to even consider it.

>>42637231
TRVKE
T-AGP-D
time to go back to our roots. if you are AGP you need to live in shame and constantly be apologising, not literally because no-one wants to hear your disgusting baritone voice, rather you must live in a state of constant humility and penance
AGPedo-ism is an original sin, you are unclean, surrender all weapons, make yourself harmless and go and pray to god for forgiveness, every single day

>>42637231
>>42637288
I read the rest of your post and I agree with your conclusions and think they're very well thought out, but my previous post still stands.

>>42637316
>This is my first time posting here in ~5 years
That's genuinely awesome for you. If you pass we should bang.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DU_jvxJ4rHw

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>>42637277
>>42637164
For what it's worth the UK has in general descending order of seriousness and punishment:

1. rape (penetration with a penis only and yeh that's sexist as fuck)
2. assault by penetration (as above but with something else)
3. sexual assault (touching that isn't penetration)
4. the one from the picture as kinda a catch-all

And then the same for children under 13. You'll notice very little provision for being forced to penetrate another and so on and there's some weird outcomes where if two people are under the 'hard' age cap of 13 only the penetrator (generally male) is really subject to punishment but sexism in rape laws is a whole different topic.

Also if you were wondering what sexual would potentially mean here's that definition. So yeh in the right context intentionally shitting yourself in front of someone for your own sexual enjoyment when a reasonable person wouldn't expect consent is a criminal offence, at least in England & Wales. Proving it to a jury is a different matter.

>>42637277
This is getting off base anyway. She doesn't have to be shitting in her diaper, that's immaterial, just that diaper shitting is a constant obsession of hers and she intentionally concealed it.

Rationally concealing this is no different than concealing you're mtf trans. Both things could be reasonably assumed to cause the other party to withdraw consent. You just view mtf's as especially worth scrutiny and punishment

>>42637277
>The point was that consent via fraud is not consent
okay, and the law does not determine what is and is not consent. so again i ask: why do i have to disclose i'm a tranny, but you don't have to disclose that you own ballpoint pens?

>>42634121
lol

>he was really upset at the world ok
>please have empathy
Jesus Christ you people are vile, evil, and just totally sick in the head

>>42637318
I agree, and nowhere in my post did I try to excuse anything. Reading some of the whiney posts ITT about how the shooter was a "victim of society" and that it "wouldn't have happened if they had been more accepted" made my stomach churn. Strip away the trans label and the shooter is no different from every other o9a/764/nazi chud with a porn addiction and retarded parents. Put the chud in a dress and make him say UwU, suddenly everyone rushes to shout victim.

But it doesn't help anyone to pretend that these things have no cause. The shooter didn't just wake up one day and decide to be evil. They were already mentally ill for most of their life (according to the cops there were regular mental health check-ins at the residence). The trans identity, for the shooter, was part of a broader crisis of alienation. I don't want to break my back arguing over who's "really trans" and who isn't, or what the differences in causes are--there are plenty of academic papers and books on the subject out there and we're all lumped together by society at the end of the day. But there needs to be major pushback against these obviously unwell, mentally fucked up, uber alienated people latching onto transness as part of deeper underlying issues.

I am trans because I experienced debilitating dysphoria from childhood onward and felt more aligned with women's social role than men's. Simple. My ideal world is one where gender roles DO NOT EXIST and everyone would be free to act as they wish without pharmaceutical and surgical implementations sustaining their social role until they die. People like the shooter identified with IMAGES of REPRESENTATIONS of IDEAS of women written by MEN (e.g. anime, video game characters, porn) and projected themselves onto them. These people do not want a world of freedom, they are neurotically attached to constructed identity because they have no identity.
[spoiler]Sorry to theory post I'm trying to keep it casual[/spoiler]

>>42637395
I literally said she deserves to go to hell, stop generalizing a group of people vile shitposter

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>>42637434
If she was in hell, would satan respect her gender pronouns? Why should you?

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>>42637362
>This is getting off base anyway. She doesn't have to be shitting in her diaper, that's immaterial, just that diaper shitting is a constant obsession of hers and she intentionally concealed it.
What a reasonable person thinks is a legal test. And most reasonable people will think that someone's status as mtf or even ftm is relevant to consent because for a great many people that's the same as being the 'wrong' gender. Simply having a weird fetish you aren't current engaging in doesn't really stack up in the same way, but intentionally concealing it after the other person has expressed a preference does. There's probably some interesting borderline cases too, like if you know for a fact someone has other preferences but they haven't directly expressed it to you concealing stuff is a likely grey area. Like if they're from a fundamentalist religious group that believes in extreme endogamy and you intentionally hide a conflicting religion how that shakes out I wouldn't know.

>You just view mtf's as especially worth scrutiny and punishment
I think a lot more people would enjoy fucking trannies if they got over their hang-ups and that broadly speaking they register, sexually speaking, as women outside of higher level self-rationalisation but I still think consent is a key principle in sex and in adult life in general. And I'm glad to live in a nation that, for all its many other shitty laws, recognises that principle.

>>42637379
>and the law does not determine what is and is not consent.
It tries to but it does a somewhat poor job on the specifics yes.

>why do i have to disclose i'm a tranny, but you don't have to disclose that you own ballpoint pens?
Because a reasonable person could foresee that the other person's consent might be withdrawn based on that information. Again if you'd previously expressed the anti-ballpoint pen position then yes I would have to disclose it but that's not something a reasonable person could be expected to foresee.

>>42637429
>I agree, and nowhere in my post did I try to excuse anything
Apologies. I wasn’t actually disagreeing with you.

>>42637429
>who would've thought the egg meme and telling every single person with the slightest hint of mental illness to transition would have backfired
>who would have ever thought demanding everyone talk about trans people instead of letting the real ones live life in peace without the spotlight on us to the point every single person gets clocked as cis or trans now as an immediate thought would've backfired
>who would've ever thought the most common iteration of trans women in the public sphere going from laverne cox to literal 4chan users with AGP curls being inescapable on the internet would be a bad idea
it's like this newgen of "trans women" don't even want to be women anymore, they want to be trans women specifically, part of the community, its own thing

>>42637474
>Simply having a weird fetish you aren't current engaging in doesn't really stack up in the same way
According to who? If I found out someone I had sex with was a diaper shitter, I would feel absolutely disgusting and violated. I would be angry. Why is my rape by a diaper shitter less important than your rape by a passoid tranner?

>>42637469
I just happen to think that vile trans women are still women. I don't care what satan does to her he's an incomprehensible extradimensional demon

>>42637474
>Because a reasonable person could foresee that the other person's consent might be withdrawn based on that information.
okay, so if my ballpoint pen prejudice was as popular as prejudice against trannies is, and you could actually foresee that i might withdraw my consent based on your ballpoint pen ownership, would it then be fair to call your failure to warn me that you own one a violation of my consent? would penalties be in order for violating my consent in that way?

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>>42636673
The craze was poisoning at the time, and the cases that appeared in court were extremely sensationalized. There were rumours about secret ritualized planned husband-and-child-killings, despite being pretty much equal to cis male perpetrated cases of poisoning. While picrel mentions a case with a singular husband, there are numerous recorded cases of women during this era poisoning multiple children.
I’m not sure if there has ever existed a human rights movement for a demographic where when someone in that demographic commits a crime it doesn’t get used to encourage disproportionate levels of fear against that demographic.
Individuals who kill children are scum nonetheless.

>>42637563
>vile trans women are still women.
On what basis? The fact that they said so? Failing to integrate socially as a woman means you are not a woman. It's a material difference, not biological but perceptual and social. Unless your definition of womanhood is a feeling.

>>42637592
>On what basis? The fact that they said so?
Yep. And been saying so for 6 years. That's a pretty reasonable basis for me.
>Failing to integrate socially as a woman means you are not a woman. It's a material difference, not biological but perceptual and social. Unless your definition of womanhood is a feeling.
Don't care about this weird cope word salad. You can keep having your dumb opinion, I'm not stopping you.

Like, you retards gotta know that entertaining these shit posters legitimizes their arguments right? Learn how to shut the fuck up sometimes.

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>>42637429
>People like the shooter identified with IMAGES of REPRESENTATIONS of IDEAS of women written by MEN (e.g. anime, video game characters, porn) and projected themselves onto them.
Correct, here's a post from the shooter's reddit.
https://arctic-shift.photon-reddit.com/search?fun=posts_search&author=jesseboy347&before=2023-04-25T23%3A27%3A16&limit=10&sort=desc

>>42637619
>uuhhh im a woman becuz uhhh i am a woman
lol. Trannies like you are why I stopped going to community events. You don't want to be a woman, you want to be part of the tranny cool club while scolding everyone as if you have ever experienced anything like what people who actually fully transition have.

>>42637474
the vast majority of people consider cheating to be bad, does that mean it's sexual assault if a woman doesn't disclose she has a husband before having sex with another man?

>>42637670
I've been on HRT for 14 years dumb fuck, with a legal name change, breast aug and SRS. And I don't care for tranny community events either, but I'm also not a neurotic freak about them like you.

>>42637619
>Yep. And been saying so for 6 years. That's a pretty reasonable basis for me.
Jeffery Epstein said he wasn't a sex trafficker for over half a century. Doesn't mean it ain't so. Someone's identity can be a component in how they mistreat others. There can be a line where you choose not to respect it.

>>42637707
There is no indication this person is being deceptive about being a trans woman. I'm not arguing about this anymore, you can have your dumb opinion.

>>42637546
According to the test of what a reasonable person would expect. Again this is a pretty standard legal test.

>>42637571
>okay, so if my ballpoint pen prejudice was as popular as prejudice against trannies is, and you could actually foresee that i might withdraw my consent based on your ballpoint pen ownership, would it then be fair to call your failure to warn me that you own one a violation of my consent?
That's mostly how the legal test goes yes. I mean I wouldn't frame it in the same way, prejudice implies a level of higher level logic that isn't really present in sexuality, but yes if you as a reasonable person could foresee that it could impact on someone's ability to give their consent freely you need to disclose it.
>would penalties be in order for violating my consent in that way?
If it was proven that your consent was gained fraudulently sure.

Any reasonable person can see that the huge weight of culture, evolution and so on will cause most people to see as relevant the fact that the other person may not fall fully into the classification of female (or male, as it might happen). The same cannot be said for a hatred of ball-point pens.

If you want to circle back to the diaper example a reasonable person can see that shitting yourself in front of other people purely for sexual pleasure fails at the same hurdle, thus needing consent, but merely existing in the same room as someone else as a tranny generally does not and so does not require consent but escalating to actual sexual activity crosses over again and does (I'm presuming here that someone who enjoys crossdressing sexually isn't falling under the heading of tranny, they actually would again be forcing others to non-consensually indulge their fetish just by doing it).

>>42637689
On a legal level that probably depends the context of the whole situation, go ask a lawyer, but I'd assume it'd come down to how casual an encounter it was but most western nations have pretty lax standards for that sort of thing nowadays so you're likely fine in most cases because it's generally become accepted humans suck at monogamy (it's not just a test of raw popularity, the reasonable part still applies at least a little bit of rationality). Though interestingly in a few places it's a mitigating factor, though not a full defence, in law if you catch your partner mid-sex-act with another person and assault or even potentially kill one of them as a result (still illegal just at a lesser tier) - but again not if you go away and plan it in cold blood. Kinda like the 'reasonable person' test but for losing control.

If you're asking on a personal moral level then yes I think that violates the other person's ability to consent in most cases. Probably not if you're just fucking with barely any sort of conversation, but yes if you've spoken for long enough for it to come up.

>>42636986
Like 2 of it's own members excluding police altercations so no bystanders AFAIK? They fed children, not shoot them.
Why is this board consistently the most casually racist and ignorant?

>>42637749
>That's mostly how the legal test goes yes.
i don't want to talk about the law, stop bringing up the law. i am asking for YOUR opinion, because YOU seem to be saying the tranny case amounts to a violation of consent.
>If it was proven that your consent was gained fraudulently sure.
how can you 'prove' a violation of consent in this way when your definition of a violation hinges on what's 'reasonable', which is completely arbitrary?
>Any reasonable person can see that the huge weight of culture, evolution and so on will cause most people to see as relevant the fact that the other person may not fall fully into the classification of female
so the difference is that your prejudice is based while my prejudice is stupid? let me make sure i have this totally straight then: not only do i have to be able to reasonably expect that they won't want to fuck me because of their prejudice, but the prejudice ITSELF also has to be reasonable? because the logic behind the prejudice has nothing to do with whether i could expect someone to withdraw their consent, right? only the popularity of the prejudice matters for that: like, if everyone loved trannies, i wouldn't reasonably expect someone to have a problem and wouldn't have to disclose, surely.
>If you want to circle back to the diaper example
nta

All this discussion isn’t necessary. It was a mentally insane person. What’s so complex about it? It was also a tranny. It makes sense. Trannies are mental. How is this so complicated?

Do you really need 200+ posts for this? This isn’t rocket science.

>>42636845
>>42635551
>>42635167
the shooter did not medically transition
stop trying to conflate crossdressing with transitioning

>>42637231
>Physical dysphoria is downstream from social dysphoria
kys retarded communist

>>42635992

Trvke

>>42637866
Not talking about doesn’t make it go away.
This is a clear and present danger in any society and it needs to be addressed.

>>42637975
It won’t be addressed because you’re all in denial of why it’s happening. Anyone who identifies as trans has a higher risk of being an insane person. Trannies should never have been humored or allowed. Ever. Period.

>>42637861
>i don't want to talk about the law, stop bringing up the law. i am asking for YOUR opinion, because YOU seem to be saying the tranny case amounts to a violation of consent.
We've been talking mostly about the law so I don't know why you want to change the context but sure, if you want my opinion, then if it was an extremely widespread belief that ballpoint pens were evil and those who own them shouldn't be slept with I think it probably violates consent to conceal that information yes. That's not that different from the fact that in many nations people hold widespread religious (and thus irrational) beliefs and you should still probably inform them before fucking if you violate one of them. The reasonableness test would generally also require some reasoning behind the belief even if it's coming from incorrect principles, same as with religion, since otherwise it's just pulling stuff out the air and someone would have to check opinion polls every day.

Although in either case you could also just choose not to sleep with such people and filter them out in advance. Things also become trickier when disclosure puts you at some degree of personal risk which reduces your need to disclose but in most western nations revealing your status as trans is not of huge risk if you do it in advance and if you choose not to do that and get into a weird 1:1 situation that's kinda on you. Morality and ethics is a complicated subject.

Would it be easier to say that the burden to reveal your status would be equal to, say, a girl who was just really really good at cross-dressing but had a reasonable expectation that another girl would be straight? Or the less likely version with a femboy because in practice the voice and suchlike are giving that away usually. I think it's pretty fair to say someone shouldn't accidentally consent to a homosexual sexual encounter so it's not a large stretch to extend that to 'a reasonable person would consider a homosexual sexual encounter',

>>42637944
The shooter identified and lived as a woman. That is sufficient nowadays, or at least so I'm told. Giving up the gatekeeping was the biggest political misstep trannies could ever make because letting all the mentally ill and the actual rapists and fetishists in means stuff like this will keep happening. Gay activists were smart enough to drop NAMBLA in the 70s probably worth learning a lesson there.

it’s pretty funny there’s chuds who insist on me telling people im a trans woman. no thanks. stealthoids make your brain break.

>>42638017
funny how rightoids love self-id more than actual trannies do
perhaps you're just being disingenuous because you know that this shooting wouldn't have happened if she actually transitioned at 12 or whatever

when a tranny shoots people i care as much as the average cis person does when a cis person shoots people

>>42638033
I'd say something about not blaming anyone when you get your skull bashed in, but you'd be too busy dying to do any blaming LOL.

>>42638065
Average people who aren’t transition genders care when another average person kills somebody. If you interacted with normal people you would know this.
You are likely on a list already but it’s not too late to change your life.
sucks to be an ogre but don’t take it out on innocent people just because your fake curls don’t fool anyone

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>>42637861
> troon shoots up school
> a thread is made
> thread is full of massive walls of text written by some histrionic troon
> read the walls of text
> it's not even about the shooter
> the troon is going on about how they should be allowed to violate sexual consent
we need to genocide all troons immediately

>>42638033
Prove you are “stealth”
>i can’t post my pic because that would out me as trans!
Yeah, nevermind.

>>42638108
not really in relation to your post but even on chasergen why would i ever post face on this fed/epstein hellsite
>>42638084
i care! just exactly as much as when cis people do it. i don’t really think it has anything to do with trannies moreso just mentally ill white people

>>42638049
>funny how rightoids love self-id more than actual trannies do
I'm probably not as right wing as you think but I am indeed a hard transmedicalist.

>perhaps you're just being disingenuous because you know that this shooting wouldn't have happened if she actually transitioned at 12 or whatever
If this was a genuine trans person and they'd been diagnosed at 12 in a system that was capable of saying 'no you aren't a tranny you're actually [other mental illness/fetishist/wrong for another reason] and mis-self-diagnosing' then I think transitioning at that age is fine. Arguably child abuse not to offer it, in the same way refusing to treat another genetic defect like a cleft palate would be. Deafness is maybe a better example since some people form a cope-community and identity out of what is an unfortunate and often treatable condition. If on the other hand this was someone with other mental health issues mistaken for being trans then a correct diagnosis would have helped there too. Instead we have a bunch of dead kids and political harm everyone loses.

I think if you went back to the 90s or even early 2000s almost every person who identified as trans was a genuine case and the fetishists tended to stick to their own identity (see: drag queen). There was almost certainly under-diagnosis then and poor actual gatekeeping from misinformed doctors. Nowadays I suspect it's the other way and most people are faketrans: not often rapists/fetishists but usually people with other mental issues who've been sold this as an identity and a false cure. So we should build a system where we can be 99% sure only the genuine cases get diagnosed then move to a full course of healthcare and legal changes pretty much as soon as possible after diagnosis, moving the other cases to different treatment for their actual mental issues.

It's simply the logical conclusion from 'this is a medical condition' to 'we should treat it as a medical condition not an opt-in identity'.

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This wouldnt have happened if transphobia wasnt so common.

Transphobes only have themselves to blame, seethe and cope

>>42634282
We need a lot more. We need to show you people for what you really are.

>>42638135
>immediately deflects to avoid revealing their ogrehon build
ROFLing IRL @ u anon

>>42638155
womp womp keep crying

>>42638149
this mindset is why the world hates you and is taking away your rights

>>42638071
you have to find me first to bash my skull in

>>42637999
>We've been talking mostly about the law
do you think i'm someone else? you said 'sex by fraud' removes consent, and that is the only point i have sought to engage with throughout this conversation.
>if it was an extremely widespread belief that ballpoint pens were evil and those who own them shouldn't be slept with I think it probably violates consent to conceal that information yes.
i guess we think about this differently then. i think if someone owning a pen is a problem for you, it's on you to ask them if they own one, not on them to warn you in advance lest they rape by deception you, regardless of how many people agree with them.
>your status would be equal to, say, a girl who was just really really good at cross-dressing but had a reasonable expectation that another girl would be straight
if the crossdresser never claims to be a guy, and this girl willingly sleeps with her and somehow fails to notice that she's a woman, then i don't think consent is violated. girl B wanted to fuck girl A, consented to fucking girl A, fucked her, and that's that. i think a definition of consent that hinges on your ability to guess what other people will and won't reasonably expect, and that puts the burden of disclosure onto oppressed minorities rather than those who hate them, is stupid. nobody forced girl B to have sex with girl A: if she can't tell what girl A has going on downstairs, she can literally just ask. in fact, girl B can perform as many checks as she wants on girl A before consenting, that's the great thing about consent! consent is something you give on your own terms, and nobody is raping you because you consented and chose to have sex with them without asking about something that's so important to you.

>>42638182
you are fuming because I spoke the truth. If you people werent such assholes then those cissoid kids would still be alive right now

>>42638184
>misinterprets my post
maybe you really are a woman anon

>>42632972
>there's a shooter in the fucking Vocaloid community now
Horrifying.

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>>42638108
apologize

if yall actually believed our rights were being taken away you wouldn’t feel the need to gloat about it on this website. you’d just go to your local sturmabteilung rape cells and pick out a deranged troon to rape, but you can’t, so you’re forced to do this

>>42638182
>the world hates you
oh dang I thought the Jews loved us?
>taking away your rights
oh dang I thought you said we weren’t losing any rights?
wow

>>42638212
lol v. funny

>>42638247
idk if you’re the same anon but apology accepted

>>42638231
>all posters are the same person that holds the same exact opinions
dumbass nigger

>>42638211
GLOVES OLD BOY
HOW YOU HOLDING UP!
HAVENT SEEN YOU IN MONTHS

the “rape by fraud” people are so funny. do you hit on cis women and then ask them to prove that they’re cis? doesn’t the whole thing hinge on “we can always tell?”

>>42638262
>all trannies are the same which is why we have to take away your rights when one of you does something bad
can dish it out but can’t take it eh crybaby faggot? back to your containment board now chuddy

>>42638268
Yeah, people can always tell. I don’t know what’s going on there. I mean just look at the quality of the ogres in “pass”gens here.

>>42638287
>we can always tell
>passoid exists
>>42638212

>>42638277
retard who do you think i am? i've been in this thread for like 10 minutes if you think I'm someone who you've been arguing with then you're mistaken

>>42638315
1. reread my last post to you until you understand it (if you even can)
2. seethe harder, faggot

>>42638332
>if I double down on being retarded they might back off
don't go murdering any children okay budfy?

>>42638346
>projects his fantasies about harming children onto others
uh oh anon, you sound like a baby raper. Someone track down this faggot down and search his hard drives, NOW

>>42638189
>i guess we think about this differently then
I think consent is the foundation of most of civilised society and it's generally not harmful to try and be explicit about it. At least less harmful than otherwise.
>i think if someone owning a pen is a problem for you, it's on you to ask them if they own one, not on them to warn you in advance lest they rape by deception you, regardless of how many people agree with them.
I did say reasonableness needs a degree of reasoning behind the belief even if it's fundamentally an irrational one to hold. There's plenty of countries in the world where, due to inherently irrational religious beliefs, they hold views I would consider stupid about who they should sleep with, but if I'm going to go there I'm still going to make the assumption the average person needs that information to consent. I mean I also wouldn't want to go there because they're religious shitholes.

>i think a definition of consent that hinges on your ability to guess what other people will and won't reasonably expect, and that puts the burden of disclosure onto oppressed minorities rather than those who hate them, is stupid
In most western nations the risk to yourself of disclosing is extremely minimal, particularly if done early. And generally speaking being charitable about what the other person needs to know to consent is good.
>hat's the great thing about consent! consent is something you give on your own terms, and nobody is raping you because you consented and chose to have sex with them without asking about something that's so important to you.
Consent isn't always something that you can take for granted via inaction on the part of another, that's how rape happens. For example if you fail to ask me about if I have any STDs you can't truly consent if I knowingly didn't disclose it. Or if you keep fucking when I'm clearly not comfortable but haven't explicitly withdrawn consent. There's also a whole ton of issues for when drunk/high/similar.

>>42638376
yes yes that tranny sure did "project" those bullets into the children that died.

>>42638389
why does that excite you so much? sick pedo faggot

>>42638397
trying to flip a pedo accusation onto me doesn't work when trannies are infamous for being pedophiles but E for effort I suppose

wahhhh the cute tranny gave me a boner. the government should make all of them wear yellow stars so this doesn’t happen again

>>42638406
> trannies are infamous for being pedophiles
yall got a solid decade out of this one before the pedo in chief took the hit

>>42638406
>more projection
please stop masturbating to children. just because they’re dead doesn’t make it ok. sick freak

>>42638420
>hate trannies therefore you must support trump
el directionbrain amerimutt........

No but seriously why is so much of this thread dedicated to a troonrapist arguing that they don't need consent?
Do you freaks even hear yourselves?

>>42638406
>trannies are infamous for being pedophiles
Every chud accusation is a confession. You are definitely a pedophile.

>>42638431
nobody is gonna go for the troon=pedo narrative anymore lol. we know who the real pedos are

>>42638432
>a troonrapist
>you freaks
chuds try to understand causality challenge. difficulty level: are you fucking kidding me?

>>42638426
>"NO U"
concession = accepted

>>42638448
cool cope pedo man.

>>42638441
people can hate two groups at the same time, if you think the establishment being outed changes how the average person feels about trannies then you're in for quite the wakeup

>>42638447
wigga please what does this mean

>>42638470
buddy i was a boymoder and now im stealth. i hear transphobia every day just like ive been hearing it for years. yall seriously overestimate how much things “got worse” in the past year lol. like you said nobody cares about gay or trans people anymore or ever

Probably because idiots removed the guard rails we had before the Informed Consent trend allowed every buffalo bill stereotype to access care.

I remember when having male interests like guns was an instant DQ and black listing. I remember when RLE and charm school were required and you know what?

It was better, we had less problem troons. We had better acceptance once we passed and society understood us to be our target sex after SRS.

You got lunatics like the R/Transguns crowd and far left transgender twitter accounts out there calling for violence and perpetuating the fear and paranoia in their little echo chambers.

And gee guess what? Some troon went and shot up a school. And the assholes had the gall to post a notice today about knowing the shooter was one of their members.

Almost as if 2+2 equals 4.

You want to save trooning? Revert things to the Blanchardian era and purge the xenogenders and trenders.

But it's probably too late for even that.

We're fucked. Thanks trenders and informed consent ogre hons

>>42638486
>the frog proclaims that the water isn't boiling therefore it never will
lel

>>42638503
genuine question do u actually think this is just leading to tranny holocaust?

>>42638503
kinda funny to use boiling frog analogy as a right winger in america ngl. have you even read siege. do you know how badly you’re losing

>>42638495
DIY or Die turns out to involve a lot of dying. Just mainly of other people's kids.

>>42638264
i'm good! how have you been, anon?

>>42638495
holy larp. TME fingers typed this

>>42638495
>I remember when having male interests like guns was an instant DQ and black listing. I remember when RLE and charm school were required and you know what?
but this one did RLE and didn't get medical treatment ever
if she got hrt at 13 this would never have happened.
Seems more like gatekeeping medicine for obvious dysphorics is what's causing the problem, not a lack of gatekeeping. This person was completely gatekept.

>>42638380
>I did say reasonableness needs a degree of reasoning behind the belief
no you didn't, you said reasonableness would 'generally also require' some reasoning. 'generally' seemed to invoke the law, and like i said, i don't want to talk about the law. if you're saying it as your own opinion, i would ask, like... why? and who's the arbiter of reasonable, you? because i think not wanting to sleep with a post-op troon is completely unreasonable.
plus like, when we were talking about reasonableness, it wasn't just reasonableness, but what you could reasonably expect someone else to think, which is completely separate from the reasonableness of the belief itself. so i don't know how that got shoehorned in here.
>if I'm going to go there I'm still going to make the assumption the average person needs that information to consent.
i think that's the polite thing to do, and the thing you should do, but to make it a requirement for consent is insane to me.
>In most western nations the risk to yourself of disclosing is extremely minimal
i never brought up risk.
>And generally speaking being charitable about what the other person needs to know to consent is good.
i agree. however, like i said, to say that someone who fails to be charitable in that way has violated the other's consent is crazy.
>For example if you fail to ask me about if I have any STDs you can't truly consent if I knowingly didn't disclose it.
that's not a violation of sexual consent issue, that's a giving somebody else your disease issue.
>Or if you keep fucking when I'm clearly not comfortable
yeah, but we're not talking about that. we're talking about someone of sound mind who wants to have sex, chooses to have sex, enjoys having sex, but concludes the other person raped them because they failed to disclose some piece of information unprompted.

>>42638516
unless society undergoes a sizeable drop in quality of life very quickly then no, there will not be tranny auschwitz. but over the years more and more parts of the world will stop being accepting of your kind. it's already occuring if you haven't been paying attention.
>>42638539
>as a right winger in america
double fail better luck next time bro

>>42632972
All it takes is one fucking idiot to give the haters all the ammunition they need to justify their hatred.

>>42638565

Not a larp, I'm banned from all the modern trans communities and detransing over shit like this and rejoining sane society.

We fucking lost because the transmedicalists lost the debate in 2015 and we didn't just lose trans rights it's ALL LGBT rights on the chopping block.

If you're smart you'll detrans and put this stupid shit behind you too. It doesn't work. You can't change your sex and no amount of HRT or surgeries will take the man out of you BTDT lost my dick for nothing.

>>42638601
> more and more parts of the world will stop being accepting of your kind. it's already occuring if you haven't been paying attention.
like i said before im stealth idc. for those of us who pass, change our documents, and get srs nothing has changed since 2015. it’s actually much easier if anything

all this dooming will look so silly in 5-10 years when everyone is much woker than they ever were but this time it has nothing to do with pronouns

>>42638629

Good luck getting a passport and identity fraud laws are on the horizon that will force you to comply.

There is no such thing as stealth in the modern age.

>>42638646
> identity fraud laws are on the horizon that will force you to comply.
holy larp. maybe if i was a britbong

transphobes don’t even come to your house and beat you to death anymore. they just angrily post on the internet about how one more decade and you’re gonna lose your rights (the last decade actually greatly increased them, just like the one before that)

i thought i’d be scared today but it’s funny how little this matters.

>>42638676
>completely ignores the political climate of the last decade and assumes the next one will be exactly the same
This level of ignorance is enviable.

>>42638665

Yeah a total LARP.

Read Project 2025 and get back to me. Republicans have already started using the fraud angle.

>>42638737
>>42638760
im a rich passoid i think ill be okay

>>42635232
Such interesting cult thinking among the trannies, shame that this death cult will continue to produce more violent psychopaths at an even faster rate than the incels did.

>>42635232
I'm local to the region and you're fucking wrong.

>>42635897
Every single troon I've met has been employed. Skill issue.

wow the shooter was a tranny
why does this keep happening

>>42638784

LOL being rich just means you have assets they can claim through civil asset forfeiture.

The offramp is glaring at you right now, there will be no second chances. It's time to desist.

>>42636997
Bullying would've kept those kids alive

>>42637009
Literally an Aiden fucking kek

>>42637149
And not some random kids, got it.