>give them meds to cure their schizophrenia
>suddenly they their IQ rises 40 points (cis men levels)

Yes. It doesn't work. Obviously.

>>43101121
proofs?

>>43101130
Because I know my doctors have been secretly replacing my HRT this whole time and I’m not any better at all!

Risperidone actually cured my autogynephilia. I'm happy to be a cis man now.

>>43101145
based

>>43101142
based

>>43101094
i've done a double blind experiment on myself and found that placebo actually cured my gender dysphoria which is weird because i've never had it

>>43101094
retards like you act like this is some secret gotcha that doctors haven't figured out. but they already screen for this. if the gender stuff is part of a psychotic break, they treat the psychosis and the gender stuff goes away. that happens. but for people who are actually trans, the meds don't fix it. i've been on antipsychotics for years. they kill the voices but they also kill your soul. you feel like a zombie, your dick doesn't work, you gain weight, and you still hate your body. the dysphoria is still there, you just don't have the energy to scream about it. and the funny part is that estrogen actually helps some people with schizophrenia symptoms.

>>43101214
nobody is "actually trans"
it's always a psychosis
they just need to use higher doses

>>43101234
what do u think the t in lgbt means lol

>>43101242
Transvestic disorder.

>>43101094
i was on abilify from 16-17 as an “add on for depession treatment” (mdd is a fucking psyop i was depressed because life fucked and i was closeted) and all it did was make me gain like 50lbs and lose all motivation to do anything and become extremely retarded and socially unaware and fry my hair and fuck up my apperance and make me have dead soulless eyes and always be tired and faint and mindless and numb and i hated myself self concept did not change at all except become more dissociative and fragmented and im 20 and still stuffing die effects after stopping 3 yrs ago lol.

can we pls all start warming trannies of the potential consequences of psychiatry

>>43101262
no it means transgender loool ur not very smart are you?

>>43101242
total liars

>>43101270
its not lgbtl is it?

>>43101265
oh ya and it fucked up my movement and mannerisms for a while too and i still have mild akasthesia and rigidness. no one deserves ts

>>43101094
my schizophrenic mtf friend has been on like every single kind of medication and she never untrannified

>>43101445
I bet if you popped an Ambien every time you had "dysphoria", you wouldn't.

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>>43101094
>Why not give trannies meds for their schizophrenia, instead of estrogen? Has this been tried?

>>43101525
cause you'd fucking die retard lmao

>have we tried medically torturing trans people

Yeah. Happened to me. Still trans. I hope you die painfully OP

>>43101582
nuh uh

>>43101590
What medical torments were tried on you?

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>>43101564

but I'm not schizophrenic

>>43103500
then you wouldn't believe you are a woman

>>43103510
I don't believe I am one, I just wish I could be one

>>43103516
you believe you COULD be a woman, which is still psychotic

>>43103680
I agree, gender is decided with the birth of the soul

>>43104169
which gender is your soul?

>>43101094
I'm not schizophrenic. Gender dysphoria is not a type of delusion. It is a mismatch between one's birth sex and their own conception of their sex. essentially, it refers to the discomfort that arises from having the wrong primary and secondary sex characteristics. Flat chests, or boobs for ftm, genital configuration, facial hair or lack of facial hair. Body shape, hips, voice, that kind of thing. Which is why HRT and surgery os a solution to an extent because it changes some of those things.

>>43101130
They tried it on me and didn't work

>>43101912
Told them i was a girl, they gave me anti psychotics, got brain damage from them.

Even now i cant sleep without medication. Psychologist said "so you think you're a woman" in 2025. Ive had srs, vfs, ba, ffs. I hate England.

Others had worse, been locked up in psyche wards, electrocuted, stripped naked and forced to drink a drink that made them feel sick, then look at themselves in a mirror. Bad shit happens here, people dont know

>>43101564
>sample size of n=1

>>43106270
your birth sex and your conception of your sex don't need to match, the belief that they do is a delusion

>>43106332
Retard, read the rest of the post. The mismatch manifests as severe discomfort with basic elements of your own body. Genital dysphoria is a classic one which is why SRS (or sex change surgery) is so popular among trannies. But other examples are boobs or lack of boobs, facial hair etc.

Like it or not gender dysphoria is a real thing. The mismatch is very real and it has real consequences for trans people.

>>43106332
gender dysphoria is intense dissatisfaction with your gender and/or primary and secondary sex characteristics, the mismatch is gender incongruence
gd cant be delusion cause you are not thinking you are napoleon but you really dont fucking like not being napoleon

>>43106320
The "tranny" was also clinically retarded

>>43106358
your body determines your social gender role, agreed?

>>43106372
abolish gender roles

I'm too cute as a girl

thing i don’t understand = delusion = BAD

kys moralfag

>>43106424
it means you are unwilling to engage with reality and expect people to follow your ideas even if they contradict perception, order, and evidence

>>43106451
>realityfagging

lol

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hi chuddy! here is a relevant hazbin hotel image for your post.

>>43106392
If this is your takeaway from our posts then you might genuinely be too stupid to live. Who provides you a livelihood because there's no way in hell you're living independently.

>>43106220
male

>>43106859
is that bad?

>>43101234
you don't even know what schizophrenia or psychosis is or presents as

>>43106451
>muh reality
You don't know what that word means

>>43111015
u will never look female

>>43101094
It was tried. It works on MtTs but not FtMs. MRAs continue to blend the data by sex to pretend transsexuality isn’t a single-sex disorder.

>>43101094
i take mood stabilizers for my bipolar if that means anything

>>43101265
I really wish there was enough justice in the world for every psych that prescribed to children to be executed on live tv in front of their families.

>>43111339
i refused to ever even try those I was in some outpatient therapy group and this one guy in it was on them and he was ZONKED out hard

>>43101912
NTA but the response to me coming out in middle school was chemical castration and christian conversion therapy. It gave me some really demented fetishes and probably made me a nominally bi ftm instead of a straight one, but that’s about it.

>>43111346
omg i literally just reopened this thread but yes ty finally someone it’s literally so fucking evil and heartbreaking that shit is not safe for a developing mind and pediatric psychs are literal inhuman demons. it’s always so many lgbt ppl in an accepting environment or just abuse victims u see put thru the systems too

>>43111353
this other psych tried to put me lamotrigine when i was 18 or 19 or something and i realized this is fucked and literally retarded and was like no and stopped with everything entirely

>>43111353
lol i wonder what he was on. it took 6 months of upping my lamotrigine dose to really notice anything. they work great though :p

>>43101094
If it worked they would do it and trans sexuality would have been resigned to the dustbin of history long ago

>>43111438
Yep. It drives me insane whenever I see psychopaths crying crocodile tears over people allegedly having reduced sexual function due to childhood HRT. I literally did not have an orgasm, in my life, until my 20s because of the long-term damage from being intentionally put on an SSRI off-label to stunt my sexual development and libido (when it did not exist yet! I was ELEVEN!) to “buy time” while I was put through conversion therapy. And the only reason trans kids get stunted is because of the idiotic compromise of puberty blockers, which shouldn’t exist; all they need are cross-sex hormones.
If I could get away with one crime I would go back to that place, skin all of them alive and burn the building to the ground.
Pedipsychs need to be Nuremberg’d. Every single one of them in flyover states, 80% of their customer base is chemically lobotomizing and castrating gay and trans children.

>>43101094
R u doctor?

>>43111592
holy fucking shit. i literally can not comprehend ssri at 11 what the fuck. how is that allowed ever omfg. they put me on zoloft at 15 and i could have orgasms but i didn’t feel like love or basic human connection until the year i came off at 19. i didn’t develop proper emotional processing or identity formation until then either. and it’s still hard to. i feel so numb still. the psychiatrist i saw when i was 15. i came out to him. and he forced me into a psych ward instead of referring me to the endocrinologist. got on hrt at 16 but still idfc im ruined. it’s literally like fucking evil all of it beyond comprehension i keep finding myself unable to even recognize how bad it hurt me. it’s literally all they fucking do too. almost all of the kids that get sent to them are just in unsafe environments. i knew a kid in middle school and highschool he was my friend. he was obviously gay. we grew up in a catholic school we all had evil parents. i was one of the first ppl he came out to and he was one of the first people i came out to. he was forced into a psych ward multiple times and on many different meds. developed extremely odd behavior. can say forsure the main issue was the environment. literally that’s all it ever was for both of us. another girl i knew i think she was bi or gay or smthn she had a hard time around then too i think. and same with another boy. but like. literally all the depressed kids from that class. were just gay. and depending on how evil ur family was or not. you’d either just have a hard time for a few years or end up in the psychiatric pipeline with brain damage

>>43101094
They are doing this in prisons right now. It's considered torture.

(You aren't supposed to put nonschizo ppls on schizo meds either btw)

Also Estrogen literally stops me from seeing things. Not diagnosed or anything but E makes me sane and idk what's so wrong with that :(

>>43106962
no

bvmo
Because I would very much like an answer to this question please

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>>43101094
Tried does not work.

>>43101094
Even if it worked the side effects of antipsychotics are literally worse than the side effects of gender transition

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>>43101094
The cause of transsexuality is a misalignment between the phenotype of the brain and of the body, there is nothing to be cured because there is no inherent mental illness. Transsexuality can lead to increased prevalence of other mental disorders such as depression and depersonalisation as a result of dysphoria, but the solution to these is treating the root cause, not the symptoms, in other words: transitioning.

>>43101094
it just dont work man ur not smarter than the smart doctors of all time who have dedicated their careers to curing schizophrenia and failed

>>43101094
>why not make them reliant on a medication that might work by suppressing their personality but will make them miserable instead of one that fulfills their needs
I wonder

>>43113536
if it sedates you enough that you cannot harass others for not humoring your fictitious "gender identity", I think it does the job

>>43101094
Trans people can medically transition and still Thats not enough. They demand everyone else adhere to their gender identity.

>>43113589
>here, you take this medicine for my comfort, convenience and peace of mind
I gave up taking meds for others' benefit with Ritalin

>>43113595
almost like it was never really about THEM "transitioning", but about ensuring mass compliance and conformity of speech and thought

>>43113603
It comes off extremely controlling. Thats why they want to change the definition of female and woman so badly

>>43113652
xy = male
trannies are VERY controlling and will never admit this

>>43113803
XY is karyotype, not sex

>>43113803
I literally know trans women who were born male and have XX chromosomes. This does not make them any more female. They still had to do the same shit as the rest of us to pass.

>>43113595
You can call me whatever you like. I don't give a shit, you just look silly. What I won't tolerate is verbal abuse and harassment.

You know what demographic is most upset about being misgendered? Cis men.

>>43114170
xy is the blueprint for proportions shared by all males
>who were born male and have XX chromosomes
??

>>43113803
>>43114170
>>43114180
>>43114192
My mama said I don’t care what they teach you in school. Cleopatra was a black woman.

Trying to engage with the mentally ill using logic and reason is ill advised. Just wait for the medical community to catch up to what sane and rational people already know. It's already happening, just not as quickly as we'd like.

>>43114280
There’s plenty of trans people who do not deny their biological sex. They even advocate for keeping things segregated by sex like sports. There’s also a lot of in fighting within the lgbt community. You’ll have people say that you don’t need dysphoria to be valid or saying that non-binary is the same thing as a trans person. It seems like somewhere along the line or community chose and not only be progressive, but asinine. I believe it was reactionary. Instead of gatekeeping setting boundaries educating the masses we started accepting anything and everything.

>>43114303
if you call yourself trans you are denying your biological sex by implying you have changed or can change your social sex its all just word games with you people
your biological sex is no longer "relevant" if you are perceived as female - that's what calling yourself "trans" is implying
but trannies don't really outright prove they are perceived as female, they just insistently claim it to be so

>>43114317
It just sucks for trans people for example, I really don’t think trans people have to pass to be valid because at the end of the day a biological male is going to have more masculine features and I don’t expect every trans woman to be at the same point in their transition. I don’t think women have to adhere to gender norms, and I don’t think trans women have to either. There’s nothing wrong with treating a trans woman like a woman, even if she doesn’t pass in every day life but then it extends into places that are segregated by sex. Like changing rooms, sports, prisons where it becomes a different issue.

>>43114303
I'm sympathetic to the plight of the mentally ill but the fact any and all research into trans healthcare is admonished and compared to torture is just too bizarre for me to look the other way at. No other mental illness is treated the same as gender dysphoria is and no other illness period has so much controversy tied to the simple question of whether or not our treatment really works. If trans people are so confident that gender transition is the only way forward then they should be overjoyed to have more long-term studies to demonstrate that. But there is harsh resistance to even the most milquetoast of inquiry regarding anything about transgender healthcare which is really shocking and profoundly anti-science.

>>43114192
Your karyotype determines two things mainly, your sexual organs and which hormone dominates, testosterone or estrogen. Giving someone say estrogen before puberty produces a phenotype which is indistinguishable from the female form with the exception of the genitalia and vice versa. Should people with de la Chapelle syndrome or Swyer syndrome be classified based on their phenotype (ie their sex) or their chromozones? I think the answer is self evident.

>>43114476
swyers have a feminine male phenotype
de la chapelle have a masculine female phenotype
society doesn't accept intersex people as their genetic sex, nor do you

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Sex is binary. You either have a body built to produce male gametes or female gametes. Everything else is just a variation of that. Stop wasting your energy arguing semantics with a troon who likely has a piss fetish.
No, seriously. Any time you're in an argument with a troon just remember a lot of them are into things like diapers, piss, rape, gore, etc. Just really imagine you're arguing with some gangly 6'3" anorexic tranny with greasy thinning hair and likes drinking piss. It'll really change your perspective on things.

>>43114528
Kirby is a cutie and also nonbinary

>>43114317
>but trannies don't really outright prove they are perceived as female,
this isn't possible, practical or necessary to do on an anonymous imageboard.
it might be more worthwhile contemplating why you would even care about assuming claims made by trannies are false when you already view trannies as inherently false for so much as identifying as trans. read: again proving it is pointless to attempt to prove anything to you people.

>>43114463
we have no control over what research is receives grants at universities.
public research funds are certainly not going to tranny science in the USA or UK
and internationally outside the anglosphere i'd argue we aren't all that interesting a people to do research on, the zeitgeist for research into homosexuality (finding a "gay" gene, etc.) also died out when accepting gay people as people became in vogue. why would universities invest hard won grant money into investigating the QOL of people who have existed passively and mostly unknown in society up until the white people started getting feisty about chromosomes...

>>43114608
The difference is trannies themselves (including in this very thread) assert there is a biological basis for being trans, unlike gay people who took umbrage with the notion of a "gay gene". Trans people desperately want there to be a biological/genetic basis for their condition but they staunchly oppose any and all research into it.

>>43101564
>Singh

>>43114984
>they staunchly oppose any and all research into it
in what world do you live where you can make statements like this and not immediately feel embarrassed for pulling shit directly out of your ass

>>43114528
nigga really hit the retard bingo
>ideologyslop
>"anybody that disagrees with me is ugly and evil"
>crying about semantics when doing the thing semantics was created to prevent
>prescriptionism

>>43114509
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_gonadal_dysgenesis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XX_male_syndrome
Retard

antipsychotics and other treatments don't work
take your HRT, retards

>>43115021
Once again, in this very thread you have people suggesting anything aside from immediately putting trannies on hormones the instant they describe gender incongruent feelings is paramount to psychological torture. You aren't going to gaslight me on this, trannies absolutely oppose any and all research regarding their condition.

>>43101094
im a tranny who was on antipsychotics before estrogen
as you can see it obviously didnt work

>>43113803
google Swyers Syndrome and CAIS, and get back to us when you figure out that this shit is way more complicated than third grade biology

>>43114463
>No other mental illness is treated the same as gender dysphoria is
because it being a "mental illness" and not a neurology issue comparable to autism is a psychtard psyop
>no other illness period has so much controversy tied to the simple question of whether or not our treatment really works
"muh big pharmoo" existed since the beginning of mass drug production
>ut there is harsh resistance to even the most milquetoast of inquiry regarding anything about transgender healthcare which is really shocking and profoundly anti-science.
Sighs
Let me give you an example
In Britain, there is a piece of data that says 98% of youth taking puberty blockers for GD ends up taking hormones. Now, what would be the takeaway from this? Most of the diagnoses were correct? The treatment doesn't cause regret? Not in the mind, of a brit, apparently. According to one of the groups that got minor treatment banned in that joke of a country, that single statistic is signifying of "funneling confused children down a medical path", and this statement was accepted without any proof, often repeated by other "reputable journalism" sources.
When somebody twists your words in worst meanings possible all the time, you are bound to become wary and hostile of "questions"

>>43115891
>Swyer syndrome (also called 46,XY complete gonadal dysgenesis): Individuals have XY chromosomes (typically male pattern) but mutations (often in the SRY gene or related pathways) prevent the gonads from developing into functional testes. Instead, they form non-functional “streak gonads” (fibrous tissue with no hormone or gamete production). The body follows the default developmental path toward female external genitalia, uterus, and fallopian tubes. These people do not produce eggs or sperm, do not undergo natural puberty without hormone therapy, and are infertile. Incidence is very rare (~1 in 80,000). >>43115168

>CAIS: Also XY chromosomes with functional testes that produce testosterone (and anti-Müllerian hormone), but mutations in the androgen receptor gene (AR) mean the body cannot respond to androgens. External development defaults to female (vulva, blind-ending vagina, breast development at puberty from estrogen converted from testosterone). No uterus; undescended testes (which carry cancer risk and are often removed). These individuals also do not produce viable gametes in a functional female sense and are infertile. Rare, ~1 in 20,000–64,000 XY births.

>>43115272
>people suggesting anything aside from immediately putting trannies on hormones the instant they describe gender incongruent feelings is paramount to psychological torture
I'm only seeing people being forcefully institutionalized and having permament health problems from inefficient treatments that were only done to avoid the politically "bad" one

>>43115272
>trannies absolutely oppose any and all research regarding their condition.
but over 100 years of research into said condition find that transition is the best option for treatment

>>43115929
very good, now is someone with either condition a man or a woman?

>>43101564
>when we reduced the zombification drugs, they started whining about muh dysphoria again for some reason, dang crazies
it's telling that even legit schizos try to get off the zombie drugs due to how much they kill your mind

>>43115272
>trannies absolutely oppose any and all research regarding their condition.
odd how trannies are the ones posting the multiple fMRI studies (4 in 2008-2015 IIRC) showing neural architecture patterns (pre-HRT even) being closer to their desired sex

>>43114280
fun part is that post can easily be read as talking about the TDS tourists that come here while being absolute newfags when it comes to the research that's been done into GD so far, and the latest developments into the many (biological) factors that can cause it.

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>>43116185
You are misinterpreting the results of that research and we know so little about the human mind (we know more about the universe than the human mind) that the findings cannot be extrapolated to "we now have a way to identify a trans person's brain just from doing a scan". There are some patterns that note a very slight shift toward their desired sex. But there are also cis people that are shifted toward the opposite sex as well. The human mind is not so simple that you can easily identify a male or female brain other than observing total volume (males have a higher brain volume on average) and even then it's not 100%.
I should also note that those studies are, indeed, over 10 years old now and neurology is one of the most rapidly accelerating areas of science.
Once again, if you truly believe that this is settled science then you should not be opposed to further inquiry. If you truly believe it is so very obvious then you shouldn't be intimidated and angered by people asking questions.

>>43116396
>cannot be extrapolated to "we now have a way to identify a trans person's brain just from doing a scan"
and that's a good thing, because if you give the average retard access to "hey this suggests this guy might have the big gay yaknow", the retard will happily hear "this machine identifies troons" and use it to gas them, gatekeep girlboss the politically wrong ones, or some other retard shit
>Once again, if you truly believe that this is settled science
nigga who are you quoting lmao

>>43116430
You are implying that it is settled science by bringing up the "studies". Are you indicating there needs to be further research into gender dyphoria and treatment?

>>43116446
>You are implying that it is settled science by bringing up the "studies"
>t.ourist
they're not sending their best, folks

>>43116508
So which is it? Are the studies valid and there is a biological basis for being trans or are they not? I'm confused what your point is other than to act smug and insult people.

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>>43115272
being a tranny isnt a condiiton its a stsate that can arise from like 4 million different "root causes" (whatever that means, it is a stupid ghost invented like the first cause or first mover based essentially on faith) it is just retared to do this dumbfuck thing like where you hve some obviously symptomatic clinnical presentation 9e.g. IM DEPRESED0 adn then look for a single physiological etiology for it jsut because it hjas a single clniical presentaiton. In my opiinont here are trannies that are essentially trannnies seocndary to other mental illnmesses and there are at least 2 diff neurotypes of being a tranny based on the research ive seen so far (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34030966/ trannies ahve their own distinct neurottype at least, however if you look at : https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3180619/ it semes likely to me that any on average look at the transexual population is going to tfindhte 'hsts' group as incongruent with their assigned sex, but identifiable as on the male-female neurotype axis whereas there are distinct modes for e..g 'agp' (aa stupid phrase I think for the neurotype) which are distinct from either normal male or female brains neurologically.. so it seems very unlikely to me that we will find one simple causality or description of transexuality in terms of an underlying illness, and it is more like a knid o action or 'symptom' if you insist on viewing it medically correlated with other stuffs)

>>43116560
>So which is it? Are the studies valid and there is a biological basis for being trans or are they not?
anon, I'm genuinely worried that you're low IQ. Please tell me you just haven't thought this through. You'll agree that's a false dichotomy, especially given how complex the brain is and how little we know about it, right? Please give me hope

>>43116659
Once again, what is the point you are trying to make? All you've done is insult me and not actually say anything.

>>43116708
None. I'm just dunking on you because you can't string together 3 sentences without writing something 80iq in them.

>>43116643
If gender dysphoria is just a symptom of a greater root cause (or causes), why not treat those root causes? When a depressed person says "I need to get back together with my ex girlfriend or I'm going to kill myself" we don't assert "yes you should try to get back together with your ex girlfriend" we try to deescalate and get them to change their way of thinking. When a schizophrenic says "the government is trying to make me gay using 5G towers" we don't affirm them and say "you're absolutely right king here's your tinfoil hat". When an anorexic says "I need to lose 10lbs or I'll kill myself" we don't say "hop on the treadmill fatty". When an autistic person struggles with basic conversation we don't say "well everyone sucks anyway go play Factorio" we try to teach them how to interface with the world better.

>>43116729
Alright, so I'll just assume you're conceding because you have no actual point to make and you're just projecting your own lack of intelligence onto me. The responses will now cease. I'm sorry the education system failed you.

>>43116757
Applies to you quite well, from what I've read so far.

>>43116746
Best way to go about it is we allow trans people to transition and don’t criminalize “misgendering”. Boom. And keep things separated by sex

>>43116836
Allowing people to transition does not significantly improve their mental health. Rate of completed suicide remains significantly elevated (but still rare) even 10+ years out from gender transition. If you need any evidence that trans people need more healthcare other than ze pills, just take a look at this board.

>>43116746
>If gender dysphoria is just a symptom of a greater root cause (or causes), why not treat those root causes?
I said root causes not disease for a reason, cuz I don't think trannyism subtends disease. Psychiatry is sporadically effective, conceptually questionable at best (and always in severe contention with itself on the most basic premises e.g. distinct modalities), and empirically.. not so great (one of the biggest victims of replication crisis). So I do not even really think depression is always for example a disease, it is just that psychiatry is a hammer and ergo depression must be a nail. Yet obviously many quite rational people would, quite rationally, decide to blow their brains out. It's just another theodical leap of faith where the whole world must be just a priori and any misery stems from some errant cognition in the individual, to jump from "this person has debilitating issues" (e.g. "depression" secondary to "gender dysphoria" secondary to... some anomalous disease X you would like to asser tthe existence of) to "this person has some definite underlying disease we can reliably treat." That involves the assertion that the issue lies soelly within the person, a dysfunction of their body or psyche. In reality basically all legitimacy for psychotherapeutic and medical practice stems from empirical testing of treatments, not theoretical justifications or arguments, and since there is no evidence that any treatment beats out transition... what is there to say? If conversion therapy worked better, then it would be a different discussion, but it does not. In other words I think the entire psychomedical stuff including psychotherapy (which is a disgusting abomination of many contradictory therapeutic "modalities" which at best aspire (with questionable methodology :-) to empirical science and at worst are not far from astrology) and psychiatry, it is a very dubious thing. I don't have space to talk more specifically about psychiatry

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>>43116746
>we try to teach them how to interface with the world better
Are you going to force them to do so under the threat of lobotomizing them and making their life hell while denying anything happened to them or their body?
>>43116643
>cantor
These "male-female" differences were later confirmed to be orientation-based, not sex-based. Trannies have a sex-atypical body perception part though (source this one 2015 swedish brain study idk whats its name)

>>43116446
alright, i'm going to bite the bait
how does bringing up studies "imply it's settled science"? You are very free to seek out ones with opposite views on the topic.
>Are you indicating there needs to be further research into gender dyphoria and treatment?
how does this relate to the rest of the message? Why do you act like an untrained bot?
>43116560
>43116708
>43116757
bait or mental retardation genuinely

>>43116863
Once again: If it is entirely self-evident that gender transition is the only effective treatment modality for gender dysphoria then there should not be any resistance to further investigation into how and why it works. Transgender people should be delighted for more research to come out that decidedly proves what they know to be true in their heart so the world will stop questioning their existence. But instead they treat any and all research surrounding transgender people and transgender healthcare to be an existential threat.
Transgender people should be lining up outside gender clinics offering themselves up to be studied for 10+ year long studies. Transgender people should be delighted to offer up their experiences to further science and provide a clear, concise answer to the question "is gender transition the right move?". But instead they just call you a retard and say you don't know what you're talking about when you question even one single little node of their framework.
That is not a signal of intellectual honesty or trust in your own beliefs. That signals insecurity.

>>43116856
>mental health=SUCIDE and SUCIDE ONLY
retard
>don’t criminalize “misgendering”
"criminalize" = "not tolerate shitty behavior to coworkers at a job"
>And keep things separated by sex
Why? To keep your christoid cattle groomed by sex ideology since birth happy?

>>43116942
>>don’t criminalize “misgendering”
>>And keep things separated by sex
I didn't say either of those things. You can save the hysterics for someone else.
>>43116922
Is it settled science or no? It's a really easy question to answer yet no one is able to, they just call me retarded.

>>43116940
>If it is entirely self-evident that gender transition is the only effective treatment modality for gender dysphoria
>>43116922
it really feels like an undertrained bot, it keeps putting words in people's mouths to try to pull a fast one

>>43116961
Sorry, I wasn't able to generate a response for that. My purpose is to provide safe and appropriate answers. Have you considered the fact that you're male and always will be?

>>43116940

>>43115913

also
>Transgender people should be lining up outside gender clinics offering themselves up to be studied for 10+ year long studies. Transgender people should be delighted to offer up their experiences to further science and provide a clear, concise answer to the question "is gender transition the right move?".
>people should be happy to be hyperscrutinized lab animals to satisfy my autism and potentially risk themselves getting outed, slandered by ""journalism"" or outright doxxed by tranny-deranged schizofrenics
It doesn't take a genius to figure out why people won't give their entire life history and every single parameter about themselves to you. >>43108936
>That is not a signal of intellectual honesty or trust in your own beliefs. That signals insecurity.
That is a signal of self-preservation
Regardless, there is a couple people who have decided to do that, against logic and reason, they are predominantly dutch though. Could find the links for the scientific articles if you want

>>43116975
>ywnbaw btw
leld

>>43116982
>>43116987
I hope you remain proud and smug as the medical community continues to turn against you.

>>43116990
im only smug with retards like u bb x

>>43116997
You have no womb or ovaries.

>>43117004
I better not, I'm a cis straggot like you

>>43117016
Trannies are not women with dicks, they are men with tits. You are a faggot having poopsex with other faggots. Have a good life.

>>43101094
bruh i am in a looney bin on olanzapine. still wants to be a woman and feel ot the most before falling asleep. fucking 50mgs a day after buttshot of this shit still didnt worked. now i am on less.

>>43117025
I'll leave the faggot poopsex to you, I'm just here to bust some retard balls until they grow some brains

>>43117054
Just give it 5 more years and you'll be signing a different tune. I will hope for you to gain clarity.

>>43116953
>I didn't say either of those things.
Yes, i simply forgot to link a post thats right above yours, you self victimizing retard>>43116836

Is it settled science or no?
Past this being a retarded false equivalence, "settled science" doesn't exist. Not fully, at least
Is there a statistical probability that all we ever learned about gravity is wrong and it's actually based off some retarded void push bullshit? Yes. Is it so miniscule and retarded that we simply teach what we know now? Also yes.

Similar thing with transition. The reason we don't meddle with somebody's brain by mechanic force, and rather try to change its environment/living context, is that the former relies entirely on denying the sense of self, which is one of the worst torture tactics known to man. It doesn't work with any neurologically recognizable condition, and its chemical copycats "psychiatric medication" very often in addition to shitty side effects and active risk of killing the patient, have unreproducible results which are very covertly hidden by "we need to tailor it to every patienttt :c"
Even going past gender dysphoria, improving treatments to change sex will be ultimately more useful and productive than attempting to rewrite somebody's entire sense of being through manipulating their brain, as the sex change treatments can be repurposed for infertility treatments, managing meno/andropause, reconstructing/repairing damaged genitalia etc

>>43117058
>just 2 more weeks
it's always like that with you crazies, both the rightoids and the leftoids huh

>>43116990
>the medical community
you mean israel and a couple old hags grooming their children? Oh, not to forget the poor old gay pedophiles
>>43116975
>seethe and sex ideology buzzwords
The mask came off?

>>43117004
women with hysterectomies are men
>>43117025
>muh poopsex all trannies have anal, buzzword buzzword buzzword

>>43101094
There is no causal relation between schizophrenia and gender dysphoria so there’s not much reason to expect that to work. If it did then we’d expect trans schizophrenic to detransition after starting medication but there isn’t data to suggest this