Well /lgbt/? Which one would you press?
>Press the "nothing happens button">Press the suicide buttonThis board would pick blue.
>>43416558Blue. I want to trust that enough of my fellow humans will pick the option that's best for everyone, and at the very least I won't contribute to the harm caused if it does go bad
>>43416588If everyone picks the red button, no one dies. If anyone picks the blue button, they're putting their life in the hands of others for no reason.
>>43416558Close my eyes and mash both buttons at the same time, allowing me to evade responsibility for whatever happens next
have we not got tired of this yet?
>>43416558tell everyone to press blue and then no one has a good reason to press red
>>43416558tell everyone to press red and then no one has a good reason to press blue
it's too bad there's no way to get everyone killed
>>43416621lol
>>43416558I press the button that makes the trolley run over people who don't know how they would feel if they hadn't eaten pancakes instead of waffles for breakfast this morning
Even if only 0.1% of the population press blue, you're still going to kill 8 million people if everyone else presses red. It would certainly be in the 100s of millions even if it's just children voting. Obviously blue.
>>43416864ok have fun being 8 million and one I guess
>>43416895It's like universal the red-pushers are these smug midwit loser sociopathic freaks that would love to kill 100s of millions of children.
>>43416558Is the point that you're supposed to risk your life to save people who are suicidal or too dumb to understand the instructions because that's the selfless thing to do?
>>43416558i’m too dumb to understand this even after rereading it several times i’m sorry
>>43416939"people too dumb to understand the instructions" includes young children, so yes, that's the correct thing to doif the group presented with the choice is a conference of economists i'm sure as fuck pressing red and assuming everyone else will, but when it's the whole population you pick blue
Stupid question that relies on framing.If aliens took you to a giant blender that kills you and said "you can take the door on the right to leave and go home or you can take the door on the left to go into the giant blender which will turn on unless 4 billion people also choose the giant blender"like who the fuck would choose the giant blender?
There’s literally 0 reason not to pick red. If you pick blue, you are stupid and deserve death.
>>43416558A percentage of people will end up picking blue no matter what, coordinating to get the highest possible percentage of the world to pick blue is the only way to save everyone
>>43417021This. They have used the "WELL BABIES WILL PICK BLUE NOT KNOWING" as some sort of defense for their stupidity, but it still doesn't make a good case for risking your life with blue.
>>43416587>>43416621>>43416998Do y'all retards think up to 50% of humanity dying is "nothing"?
>>43417316up to 50% of humanity dying is definitely bad, but that's not a good reason to die with them
>>43417316uh no I think I said it was a stupid question that relied on framing and if you make the danger apparent then nobody in their right mind would pick the blender
>>43417316redcels think the starting point is 0% blue and picking blue is therefore tantamount to suicide that makes the outcome worse for no reasonbluechads know that every time this has actually been polled blue wins with ~60% of the vote, and therefore think that picking red and arguing others should also pick red moves the outcome closer to the worst possibility (just under 50% blue) for no good reason. you're not going to die if you pick blue unless the group being polled is an objectivist convention or something.
>>43417411>every time this has actually been polled blue wins with ~60% of the votethere's a difference between a twitter poll and actually risking your life irl
>>43416558blue button since it has a chance of me dying
>>43417436there is, but there's no actual incentive to lie in the twitter poll. a button also wouldn't produce the visceral sense of danger that might prompt in-the-moment cowardice. i think people would mostly press the button they say they would press, in part because at a gut level they wouldn't be thinking of the danger as real.
>>43417491the incentive to lie on a twitter poll is to feel like you're making the moral and empathetic decisionmany people on the internet talk as if they would risk their lives to protect people, but how many would actually do that in real life?
>>43416558>press red>experiment turns out to be a hoax>all red button pressers end up getting executed
>>43417411If you pick red literally nothing happens. Nothing. Picking blue just puts you at risk of dying. Blue is just a virtue signaling darwin award.
>>43417530nice, more violent fantasies from high trust selfless blue
suicide without having to commit suicide, the choice is obviousand it would further prove that humanity is not worth living with anyway
>>43416558>>43416588>>43416864>>43417204>>43417316
>>43416558Governments will either convince or force 90%+ people to vote blue. There's no guarantee your red vote will be private, that you won't be put on a list, and that the blue mob won't come after you after blue inevitably wins. You actually have a higher chance of dying or worse by voting red
>>43417534if over 50% of people pick blue nothing happensif over 50% of people pick red a bunch of people diepeople will press blue whether you think they're stupid or not. if you make it a red majority you're actively killing people instead of making literally nothing happen with a big error tolerance. red pressers are antisocial
>>43418157I don’t think you are morally obligated to risk your own life to try and save someone that is choosing to endanger themselves for no reason. If some guy jumps off a bridge into a river, I’m sorry! I’m not jumping after him!
>>43416558blue because i think it'd win and if red somehow won society would be so fucked that it wouldn't be worth living in
cognitohazard
>>43418157>if over 50% of people pick red a bunch of people diethis isn't necessarily true
>>43418197Would you also not save a child drowning in a pool?
>>43418264I've actually done that twice and I'm pressing red. there is a difference between emergency situations and stupid mind games liberals invent to convince others they're good people.
>>43417627it's more like blue wants to build a bridge and red wants to push enough people into the ravine so the pile of bodies is tall enough to walk across
>>43418282except for the fact that nobody needs to die for red to liveblue is the one that needs a critical mass of suicides to win
>>43418234a lot of things that are not necessarily true are nonetheless empirically true for a very high fraction of the relevant cases
>>4341731650% of humanity only dies if they fail to see that not only there is no punishment for picking red, if everyone picks it everyone will be fine. Since I trust most of humanity can see this, I will pick red as picking blue would be to endanger my own life for the sake of those that made a major mistake I have nothing to do with. The only case for picking blue is "well but a bunch of people are too stupid to realize everything will be fine if everyone picks red so they will pick blue and die UNLESS I risk my own life for their sake!" I trust the altruistic human spirit will see a bunch of people picking blue for this reason, maybe even more than half of people. I'm still picking red howeverbleitdoe as I like being alive, personally
>>43418553There's no reason for anyone to press red except for naked self-interest at the expense of others. Just pick blue and you know what happens everyone is okay and there is no danger if 51% just picks blue
if 100% of people press red nobody dies :)
>Publicly advocate for blue and shame redfags imto voting blue>Vote for red when the time comesEasy
>>43418631>I choose not to participate in russian roulette>"What the fuck, anon. You're killing people by not!"
>>43418634>If everyone votes to doom everyone else, then there's no doom!There's also no doom if everyone votes for "no doom"... You know, the blue button
>>43418634Not practical
>>43418631yes, I am putting my own self interest above everyone else's, I see no compelling reason to do it any other way, specially since if everyone does this, everyone will be fine.
>>43418637I fucking love this cat >>43418665skill issue
>>43418661My decision not to play does not cause other people to play. Bad comparison.>>43418670>I see no compelling reason to do it any other way"Press this button and nobody gets hurt" isn't compelling enough for you? Just admit you're a retard who will doom others because of your own selfishness that you project onto others
what the fuck? why does this one retarded twitter hypothetical make everyone so emotional? ive never heard of it in my life but there are already multiple midwit images referencing it apparently?
>>43418668>noooooo i have to press the blue button uh ok sure yea whatever. i guess the 49% of the world thats redphobic is compelled to die. my bad soz
>>43418693>My decision not to play does not cause other people to play. Bad comparison.So you put yourself in danger because people can't understand there would be no danger if they all picked red.
>>43418705You'd get forced to anyway and you'd love it
>>43418693red is press this button and nobody gets hurt and if you can't see that you probably don't deserve to be alive
The extra funny thing is people's decision on this are psychologically influenced by retarded politics. "Red and blue? That must mean right and left! Republican or Democrat!" You will have people pick entirely based off their preconceived political beliefs.
>>43418693>Press this button and nobody gets hurt" isn't compelling enough for youNo, not at all. Again, rationally red is the best choice. It is unfortunate that many people will make a mistake and refuse to see this, but this problem is not mine and I would prefer to not join them in death.>you will doom others for you selfishness and and andYeah retard, I know I am selfish, selfishness is a good thing, you would survive the hypothetical if you had some
if we can coordinate with some sort of proof, blue to save children and the actually mentally illif not, I'm picking red
>>43418720There would also be no danger if everyone picks blue.. this is not a convincing argument.
>>43418733The only reason why the problem exists in the first place is because of people like you.
>>43418768Picking blue inherently puts you in danger. It's agreeing to gamble your life. If you pick red, nothing happens to you. You are not participating in any action. Blue is willingly deciding to insist everyone perform a trust fall over the grand canyon.
>>43418729>forcedso much for the tolerant blue
>>43418778you are the most braindead person on the planet. you need to virtue signal good personhood in order to make up for that and in doing so, you doom society for absolutely no gain.
>>43418796Hey it's really simple. Don't wanna kill people, then vote blue.
>>43418806they can choose to not kill themselves if they want to live.
>>43418819Or you could just pick blue and nobody has to die at all. Funny how that works.
>Pick blue, or I die!>Do what I say, or I'll kill myself!Do bluefags really?
>>43416558red obviously why would you press blue?
>>43418854why would I put my life at risk to save people trying to kill themselves?
>>43416600the only correct take btw death to virtue signallers
>>43418886>>43418878>>43418871>>43418868>>43418854>>43418819>>43418806>>43418796https://strawpoll.com/mpnb1E9mPy5
>>43418912clocked me dammit
>>43416558Blue.
>>43418934read like a book
>>43418937why are you suicidal :(
>I picked the kill people button but it's your fault people died because you didn't pick the kill people button also
>>43418947Huh? I'm picking the "don't gamble my life button." Why would you pick the "gamble your life" button?...
>>43418947pressing the button doesn't kill anybody, pressing either button doesn't kill anybody, pressing the red button means blue button pushers might die, pressing the blue button means you might die, everybody lives if everybody presses the red button, everybody lives if everybody presses the blue button, there is no reason to gamble your life by stepping out of the safe zone of red into the maybe you die zone of blue
>>43418938i filled out the whole thing just to find out the answer doesnt work on firefox
>>43418998they told me the answer is yes
>>43418995>there is no reasonThe reason is that you would rather not anyone die, and blue button avoids death entirely if 51% of people push it
>>43418947i will literally spell this out for you:if 0 people press blue, nobody dies, no guilt for meif >50% of people press blue, nobody dies, no guilt for meif <50% of people press blue:- each person was given a choice to either kill themselves or stay alive- each person chose to kill themselves- other people i don't know committing suicide is sad but isn't my fault- no guilt for me
>>43416826please don't post my bored ape
>I threw a knife in the air! Catch it!>No, I will let it fall to the ground.>But it might hit someone!>You're the one who threw it.
>>43419045why would you risk your life to try to save people gambling their lives for no reason? do you expect people to risk their lives to save you, whom are risking your own life?
>>43419070Most people are not gonna push the kill people button. Therefore nobody will die and you will look like an ass who pressed the kill people button
>>43419086there isn't a kill people button
>>43418912>Some retard walked into traffic>4 heartless monsters killed him by not jumping into traffic to pull him out
>>43419104is that what you tell yourself
>>43419111there literally isn't a kill people button, neither button makes anybody die, idk if you're trolling or you don't get that pushing red doesn't electrocute anybody
>>43419130People only die if the red button gets pressed more than the blue button. It's a kill people button
>>43419140the button doesn't kill anybodypeople can only die if the blue button is pressed, do you think the blue button is a kill people button?you can't have it both ways
>>43419151The blue button people are the ones doing the morally correct thing and if they die it is ONLY because the red button people caused their death.
poll is 6-1 red-blueis the blue voter hard done by? were they killed by the reds? or did they kill themselves?
>>43419140if everyone presses the red button, then nobody dies, because nobody pressed blue. If you press blue, you're an idiot who brought their death upon themselves.
>redfags don't understand sample size
>>43419186This is literally just rationalization for your decision to press the kill people button
>>43418868Where can I get a cute blue gf like this?
>>43416558alright chat i asked a terminally offline person (my mom) and she says blue. maybe there is hope for the world. still voting red tho i like living
>>43419160there's no such thing as moralitythey don't only die if red people push the button, they must also push the blue button, in order to die, they must push the blue button, they don't have to, but to die they must, so like, don't?
>>43419234>the singular blue voter ITT is now faking text messages with their mothergrim
>>43419234Proves that red button pushes are special snowflakes who think they have some unique perspective that nobody else understands.You're not special redfags. Stfu and push your fucking blue button.
>>43419207the buttons don't kill people, they're not attached to guns>>43419234does your mother understand the question
>>43419248>the singular blue voter ITT is now samefagginggrim
>blue button requires only 51% support to save everyone>Red button requires 100% support in order to save everyoneGee I wonder..
>>43419266Perfect example of the folly of conservative ideology. In this scenario, 51% of normal people with moral values would be saving themselves from a population of 49% psychos
What if I press both at the same time?
>>43419266why are you trying to save everyone?
>>43419300You wouldn't be able to get it exact enough
a second blue voter has killed themselves
>>43419266this presupposes that there is either a random element causing blue voters or that there is any sort of evenness of the situation but the truth is there is risky button and a riskless button so there is no evenness. if red came with any consequence this would be something you could game theory over but asa it stands this is just are you retarded (blue) or not
>>43419325Because why would you choose for people to die when you could save everyoneJust press the blue fucking button. There is no risk..most people are gonna go blue because it's the right thing to do.
>>43419337some people are rworded though, some people are disabled in a way where they might vote blue
>>43419357asspulling disabled ppl into this hypothetical proves this is just about virtue signalling lmfao
>>43419353>Because why would you choose for people to die when you could save everyoneyou're not choosing for people to die in either case, the only way people can die is if there are both red and blue voters, neither are trying to kill anybody (unless a blue voters is legit suicidal)>there is no riskif you press blue you die lol>right thing to dobased on what?
>>43419372I'm on the red side but it is a legitimate concern not addressed in the question, what happens to people that are unable to make a reasoned decision?
>>43416558Blue. It's the only rational choice since the threshold for everyone surviving is lower.That said, I am fucking creeped out by red pushers. There is something sociopathic about them.
>>43419402>ugh that person isnt playing my cultish game of russian roulette thats so scary
>>43419402>rationalthat's not what that meansyou're gambling on what other people do in order to try and save... other gamblers?just don't gamble, everybody lives
Why do blue pushers blame the red pushers and not the presumably aliens that put us in the situation in the first place
>stranded on an iceberg>if we stay in the middle everybody lives>hmm what if we risk all moving to the outside and if we get the balance right.... everybody livespoll update4 dead blue votes9 living red votersI assume a blue voter is vpnning the numbers
>>43416558these are pointless theories the point is a sizeable amount of people would shoot themselves in the foot if it meant more people would be beneath them, because they have a sadism/psychopathy issue
>>43416909>that would love to kill 100s of millions of children.no one wants to do thathowever some people haven't fallen to the marxist cattle prodding and still have a sense of self-preservationsure you are getting millions of people pressing blue.But you are certainly not getting 4 billion +1.psnot joining your death cult
>>43416558Anyone who picks blue is literally just virtual signaling and deserves their fate.
>having moral values is virtue signaling4chan really fucked up our national culture
>>43419429>>43419439>everybody livesIf you've ever met a human, you know that will not happen. Anyway, still not pressing the "it takes 100% of humanity doing the same thing for everyone to survive" button. My death is mine, but I'm going to do anything in my power not to kill or harm. Because pressing the red button DOES lead to you increasing the odds of other people's death.
>>43419464i've yet to talk to a marxist who isn't pressing red you're goycattle
>>43419509>but I'm going to do anything in my power not to kill or harmSo pick the option that does not have you participating in a death gamble.
>>43419509If someone pushes blue they assume the risk of dying. Me pressing red is just me pushing a button that does nothing.
>>43419447>1 single child runs to the edge and will die unless at least half move to the edges to stabilize the iceberg
>>43419357oh no! an event that purges the idiots from society! how will we recover!
>>43419515Bit of a Marxist here, definitely hitting the blue button without question.
>>43419516>>43419522Except everyone is already participating in the gamble. You pushing red kills people. It's not an isolated choice.
>>43419525:(
>>43419530pushing red does not kill people
>>43419549Anon... it does. It's a "kill blue voters" button.
>>43416558I’m pressing red. It’s interesting to see the implicit framing people have for this thought experiment. I’m curious about the two different types of blue pushers. There’s the first group of blues that push blue because they feel like it, and a second group of blues that push blue in order to save the first group. A lot of the discussion is about red pushers being selfish and I get it. Are the first group of blue pushers even more selfish for putting themselves in harm’s way and endangering the second group of blues?
>>43419445same reason why lever pullers would blame themselves instead of the repeat offender who tied the victims to the tracks
>>43419559No because mathematically blue button is the correct choice. It brings the most good and is the best option for overall harm reduction.The selfish people are the ones who insist on pushing red even though it endangers everyone else
>>43419530I'm not participating in anything. The only reason it's a gamble is because of retards like you willfully choosing to participate in the gamble instead of just pushing the do nothing button
There is a blue button. You can choose to press it or walk away. If you press it, then you die unless 50% of people also press it. If you walk away nothing happens to you.
>>43419558Actually no it doesn't.Blue is a "die unless this extremly unlikely thing happens"
>>43419580If you don't want to participate then you shouldn't be pushing any button at all . Pushing red is actively participating in a harmful way. You are actively making it harder for the rest of us to save everyone.
>>43419558no it isn't>>43419578pressing blue risks your own death, if preserving life is important, press red, get everybody to press red, blue is a revolver where you kill yourself if a group of you pick it up but not enough, red is just walking away and letting the blue group all see if it's loaded
>>43419595The correct choice here is blue once again. By being a coward who chooses red you are screwing the victim and anyone who tries to help
>>43419590>extremely unlikelypoll is at 10-4 red-blue>>43419595did she press blue?
>>43419602mathematically the rational moral choice is to stand under the crusher obviously!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I would love a blue voter to explain why standing under the crusher is the right thing here
>>43419614because a nonzero amount of people are going to go under the crusher regardlessYou wouldn't be such a heartless monster to not go in with them to try and save them would you?>>43419607>poll is at 10-4 red-bluecool. now do it in real life with real life stakes and no a list of examples from the last century is not literally a one to one translation of this though experiment.
>>43419625If you're convinced blue would ultimately win, what's the problem? Shouldn't be worried about reds.
>>43419602Not pictured: the people on the left with their finger on a button ready to turn on the crusher
>>43419580>I'm not participatingIt says everyone. If you don't want to participate, you just don't press the button instead mashing red and making it harder for others to live.>>43419590Blue is the "try to save everyone, possibly dying in the process" button. The best of our species would push it. Do you really want to live in a society of red pushers?>>43419599Yes, it is. 50%+1 person presses blue, nobody dies. 50%+1 person presses red, 4 billion people die because of those 50+1 who pressed red.>>43419586Now, in this one I would walk away.
>>43419625why are they going under the crusher?>>43419625with real life stakes do you think I'd be more inclined to kill myself?
>>43419625>because a nonzero amount of people are going to go under the crusher regardlessirrational act. not my problem to solve
>>43419629the red button doesn't turn on the crusher>>43419631> 4 billion people die because of those 50+1 who pressed redwrong, the red button doesn't kill the blues, blues and reds must both participate in pushing their buttons for people to diewhy do you assume 4 billion people are so stupid they would kill themselves for no reason?
>>43419629not getting under the stopping the crusher is not the same thing as turning on the crusher.Blame the people/demons/aliens who introduced the crusher/button instead.
blue pushers are proof that the lack of natural selection in modern society has caused severe degradation of our collective intelligence
>>43419631>Now, in this one I would walk away.That is literally the same fucking thing!There will be millions of kids, retarded people, senile people, and suicidal empathetic people like the blue pushers trying to save everyone pushing the button
>>43419631>>43419592It says you HAVE to push a button. I'm pushing the nothing button. You're pushing the death gamble button.
>>43419647>red button doesn't kill the bluesYou can't go "tee hee not my problem" when you're voting to kill someone.>for no reasonI have a family. I don't know which buttons they are pushing, if any, because the experiment isolates humans from one another. Of course I'm pressing blue. I love them. I also like my friends, neighbors, coworkers, and acquaintances.
>>43419647>>43419652The crusher never turns on if 51% of people get under it. The second a single person gets under the crusher, it is the moral responsibility of all present to make sure it never turns on.
>>43419666>The crusher never turns on if 51% of people get under it. The second a single person gets under the crusher, it is the moral responsibility of all present to make sure it never turns on.not joining your death cult
>>43419664>someones bound to push the death gamble button so that means 4 billion other people do too to save the one retard
>>43419670Okay picture yourself for a moment in this scenario..someone has stepped under the crusher..if 51% of us don't get under there, then that person will die.You're gonna be the last person needed to save all the people under the crusher.. you're gonna tell them no?
>>43419675Why should I save a retard who pressed the "possibly die" button for literally no reason? Once again, said retard assumed the risk of dying when pressing the button.
>>43419666>moral responsibilitynot a thing, doesn't existif people want to kill themselves then let them
>>43419681I'm sorry that you never learned the importance of moral values and doing the right thing.
>>43419678>You're gonna be the last person needed to save all the people under the crusherSee now thats changing the fundamentals of the question and is disingenuous as fuck.Almost all red pushers would be voting blue if they knew for an absolute fact they were the deciding tie-breaker. But the point is you have no idea what the results are. 8 Billion people are earth. Its certainly not going to be 4b+1 blue. Tragic, but even if it results in a mad max apocalypse i'd rather live in that than die
>>43419684they aren't real, there is no right thing
>>43419690Well anon I don't know what to tell you, personally I would follow that person right into the crusher and tell everyone else to come with me.
>>43419694....are you retarded?
It's pretty clear that adults and people who care choose blueEdgy teenage kids and trump supporters pick red. A perfect analogy for modern America
>>43419678Separate anon, but this scenario changes from the button one considerably. In the original we don’t know who’s pressing what. In the crusher scenario, we can see who’s under the crusher and who’s not in the crusher. Being the deciding factor is very different than the isolated button press. Either way, red button/standing away from the crusher
>>43419702they aren't real, you're wrong, if you could prove they exist you would
>>43419684>let me tell you about the moral implication you have to save me from the consequences of my actions
>conservatards when actual questions of morality and sacrifice come upI sleep >Conservatards when their pastor tells them that Sky Daddy decided gay people are badREAL SHIT
>>43419734lmao see >>43418744
>>43419734go back
>>43419734>sacrificeso you admit that you're going to die by pressing blue?
who are the people blue thinks they are saving?
>>43419749No, risking your life is sacrifice as well
>>43416558Everyone should just push the red button.
>>43419752Everyone. Because you have no way to know who pressed what.
>>43419752We are saving 100% of the people instead of almost causing the deaths of 49% which is all red pushers do. Red pushers are not saving anyone.
>>43419756blue will say that not 100% will vote red while at the same time saying with certainty that 50%+1 will vote blue. well technically no blue pusher will say 50%+1 they will say 51%
As far as I'm concerned, this scenario presents us with two types of people>Psycho evil people willing to doom half the population by pressing red >Brave American patriots putting their own life on the line to save everyone else from the red psychos by pressing blue
>>43419758you're not saving people that press redwho do you think you are saving? what person with what motives, say what you know about them>>43419761who are you saving though, what people? people that are versions of you? red voters save themselves from a risk
>>43419761>49%irl it would not be anywhere close to that number
>>43419766the people/things that put us in this situation.Aren't they more to blame than the red pushers?
>>43419768>you're not saving people that press red>who do you think you are saving? what person with what motives, say what you know about themAnon... that's the thing. I don't know who I'm saving. Humans, I guess. Some retarded, some not. I don't want them to die. I understand I would instantly ensure my own survival if I pressed red, but I would not ensure theirs. That's enough for me. Must try to save everyone.
>>43419778The red pushers are the ones causing the problem to begin with..there is no problem if there are no red pushers
>>43419785theres no problem for anybody that pushes red regardless. why are you making yourself problems?
>>43419784>I don't know who I'm saving...you'd be saving other idiots that think this way, it's just a bunch of (you)s, you will 100% die
>>43419785there's no problem if you all press red, there's only a problem if some press red and some press blue, and who gets hurt is blue, so press red
>>43419792We're not. The red people are causing the problem by doing something that they know is harmful and unnecessary.If everyone just followed the rule of "don't press buttons that cause people to die," then there would be no issue.
there's no fucking way anybody pushing blue isnt trolling>you have to save me because im retardedlol no
>>43419805pushing red is not harmful, nothing is necessary, red button doesn't kill people, if everybody just pressed red nobody would die, if everybody pressed blue nobody would die, if people followed the rule of "do some game theory" or "don't risk your life" nobody would die
>>43419817Bruh how fucking retarded are you. If you do not press the red button, then nobody dies, not even you. You are literally causing your own moral conundrum by pressing red.
>>43419794They are humans and I don't want humans to die. Again, as I said above, I have a family and friends and acquaintances and strangers I see in the street. I like them. I care.>>43419800>so press redThere is no way in the world everyone will press red. The task says everyone gets transported into their own little bubble with no comms.
>>43419824if I don't press the red button I might die, there is no moral conundrum, there are no morals>>43419826>they are humansyou're making an assumption that some humans exist that are pressing the blue button, why? what would be their motivation?>There is no way in the world everyone will press redwhy? because some people like you will kill themselves? why do they do it? to save [group]? you can't even come up with who this [group] is
How about this, if you're too scared to press blue, then just press nothing..your betters will do what we must and press blue.
>>43419785So the people behind the buttons that are forcing this on us are not to blame, but the red pushers are?
>>43419805>"don't press buttons that cause people to diebut thats literally the blue buttonsays so right in the rules
>>43419856Yes because they are actively choosing to press a button that they explicitly know could cause the deaths of people who aren't them, for no benefit at all..at least blue buttons are thinking about others.
>>43419826>There is no way in the world everyone will press redwhy? why are you assuming a significant portion of the planet will press the maybe die button instead of the dont die button?
>>43419849if you don't want to risk your life for no reason red is right there
>>43419710pressing blue is basically the equivalent of letting third worlder rapist murderers flood our countries and saying its moral justice even though its putting people in danger for no reason yeah you're right
>>43419859Blue button people don't die unless most people press red button. Don't press red button and guess who diesNobody>>43419872You are causing the deaths of others by doing that. How do you not see this. You aren't the only human on earth..
>>43419766the actual two groups are people who can think through a problem logically (red) and the people who feel the need to proclaim moral superiority over everyone in an act that will hurt people for no reason (blue)
>red button"Some must die so that I may live">Blue button"Nobody should have to die, and I believe that together we will have the blue majority we need to save everyone"
>>43419892>red button pressersoh cool nobody is in danger lol im pressing that shit >blue button pressersOMG WHAT A DANGEROUS BUTTON I NEED TO PRESS IT BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE IN DANGER BECAUSE WHAT IF THEY PRESS IT!!!!
>>43419845>>43419866>why are you assumingI go outside.
>>43419877>You are causing the deaths of others wrong>>43419900not an argument
you can tell who's doing well in life and has people they love and who isn't. the thought of my little niece ending up in this scenario, crawling to a random colorful button and pushing it fills me with such indescribable dread that i would be pressing blue in under a second.
15% of the earths population are 8 years old or younger. Its tough to say how competent you have to be to understand the question but lets say 8 years and younger you are just randomly pressing a button for the fun of it. 9 year olds are in the 3rd grade, and I feel a second-third grader can understand the question.Thats 7.5%(600 million) blue right off the bat.And 7.5% of kids 8 and younger pressing redNow however parents have to ask themselves if their child pressed blue do they press blue to try and save them, or do they press red in case their child pressed red and they can't risk leaving their child an orphan.
>>43416558there are nearly 2 billion indians on this planet. are they thinking of others too?
>>43419945Yeah Indians have friends and family too.
>>43419945They believe in reincarnation so they'll press blue
Pressing red 10 billion times to make sure every blue voter gets shredded by the shreddomator 3000
>>43419945next they're going to tell you about how the chinese are a hivemind bugpeople
>>43417527a statistically surprising number, especially surprising to someone who talks like you do
>>43419938It'd make more sense for the parents to want to coordinate everybody to vote blue to save everyone's child
it's 15-6 red blue, 6 dead blues
Blue needs half to think in a relatively altruistic way, even if it's shallow or whatever, red only ensures one person living at a time. Seems like another hypothetical excuse to say, "Clearly they died because they deserved it"
>>43419983>6 dead bluesKilled by team red.
>>43420007there is nothing altruistic about sending yourself into the kill yourself for no reason chamber because of the fact that if enough people do it nobody will die. if people don't want to die, they can just, not throw themselves into the kill themselves for no reason chamber.
Blue is the noble aryan option and red is the selfish jew option. Hitler pressed blue.
>>43416558Blue because i don't want to live in a world full of red pushing psychos
i feel like people picking blue just havent really thought about it and are just going off of their initial instinct to be the most moral or wtv
>>43420021nope
>>4341655850% of the human population disappearing would do wonders for our planet and the climate. Im going red
>>43420007no, I want everybody to live
>>43420066No? I thought it through plenty. If anything it's the red people refusing to think it through and just cowardly mashing the button for their own safety
>>43420076I want everybody to have a second castle on the french riviera but we can't have what we want
>>43420080and?
>>43420094the more that press blue the more that die
>>43420095No, nobody dies at all if you don't press red. Just press fucking blue you selfish coward
>>43420080You will be committing suicide now. Go ahead. Put the barrel to the roof of your mouth and pull the trigger. I don't care that you don't want to. We don't always get what we want.
>>43420097you have a genuine mental defiency
>>43420095yes, up to 50%
>>43420097blue pressers are selfish for needlessly putting themselves in harm’s way
>>43420106its not going to get that high>>43420102>you will be committing suicide nowno u
>>43420108They wouldn't be in harm's way if you didn't press red. That's your fault. Blue itself is not inherently dangerous without red.
>>43420114I don't think it will get that high either
>>43420116it is inherently dangerous because the red button exists
The red button is fundamentally the jewish choice. You're not a jew, right anon?
>>43420116pressing red is not dangerous to myself or others because everyone has access to it
>>43420116they have full agency in their decision to press blue. they are responsible for pressing the button that kills them. red isn’t inherently dangerous either
blue pushersif there is no red button but only a blue button with the same rule, do you still press the button?if its not a button but instead a crusher or a blender or a wood chipper and it needs 50% of the pop to stop it. Do you still jump into the blender?
>>43420122This is just victim blaming. I bet you think it's women's fault that rapists exist too.
>>43420153if there was a button that women could press that if they press it they would get raped, and then they press the button and as per the rules of the button they end up getting rapedin that situation yes yes it would be the womens fault
>>43420153fault =/= inherent danger
>>43420159No retard it would still be the fault of the person doing the raping.. that means the red pushers in this case.
>>43420163red pushers are not killing anybody
>>43420163it would be both faults
>>43416988Why do people act like children are so important and valuable? They've only been alive for a handful of years, you can just make a new one, they haven't gone to college or like received any specialized training or anything, they're just fully replaceable in a few years, unlike a skilled adult that took decades to fully develop.
>>43419960>>43419951>>43419952none of you are aware of the indian cultural principle izzat, which is the principle of never doing anything to benefit anyone else and always acting selfishly, which is seen as virtuous and honorably in indian culture. this is why their traffic is the way it ispeople in a selfless world will band together. india is almost 20% of the population of the world. i firmly believe that in a world with indians more than 50% of people are pressing red, guaranteed. In a world without indians i would press blue to save the poor souls who trust others but that is simply not the world we live in
>>43420182>the one blue presser ITT is now falseflagging
Blue pushers are virtuous womenRed pushers are rapists
>Pick the kill people button>Pick the don't kill people buttonI'm going to pick blue, obviously because *everyone* has the button which includes those who are unable to press the button or incapable of understanding the question.
>>43420191That is not what izzat is.
>>43420237rip you
>>43420248Frankly I'd rather be dead than have to deal with the aftermath of having a billion dead babies in the world. That's some horror shit.
>>43420253I don't think babies can vote.
>>43420253What aftermath? We can just make new ones to replace them, who cares, it's less time than it takes in between turns to elect a new president.
>>43420255You're right, they can't. But the question does say that everyone in the world gets the choice and everyone means everyone. Even discounting that there's also the issue of those who can't vote because of physical or mental reasons.
>>43420261Thinking you can just "we'll make another one" someone's child is pretty grim and very indicative of the type of people who push the red button
>>43420269lol nta but you're so angry about this why?
>>43420262If I was mentally or physically incapable I would want to be dead, rather than having my soul trapped in a defective vessel forced to run out my time in prison before getting a second chance to run through the cycle.
>>43416558I choose blue. I know that picking red is guaranteed survival for myself. I know that voting blue risks my life to save others that voted blue (for whatever reason). There will inevitably be some people who pick blue by mistake, by misreading the question, or they are too young or old to properly understand. My vote would be to try to save them by pressing blue and risking my life too.I think, too, of the world that would exist if all the blue voters should die. When I asked my friend, she said quite bluntly that she would vote red because it's the sensible choice, but she would never want to live in a world full of red button voters. Can you imagine a surviving world full of red button voters? You have to listen to the survivor's cope on why people voted red and why they thought it was the right choice and how all the blue voters are evil and selfish and stupid, then see old world media, religion, and stories refer to values of selflessness / virtue / sacrifice and try to stave off thoughts that everyone who had those virtues just evaporated and you're on the planet that's left with all the red voters. There'll be so much propaganda trying to say that blue was the suicide button and nothing could be done but as the years go on I think I'd just have doubts about how moral and selfless I really am. I don't want to live in that world.>>43420255The question says "everyone in the world." You don't pick and choose who "everyone in the world" is.
>>43420262what about the people who don't speak english, and so can't understand the question?you're avoiding the question by trying to add technicalities so we can play "think of the children". Like if you were discussing the prisoner's dilemma and were like "what if the other prisoner is a baby", you're not really discussing the topic you're just trying to force an emotional reaction
Only people who are suicidal/have no faith in humanity would click red. Which is like maybe 1% of peopleThis isn't at complicated as the grumpy children want you to believe it is.
>>43420290why would a suicidal person take the choice that can't kill them?
>>43420290delusional that only 1% press the don't die button
>>43420276That's great but you don't get to take the right of self determination away from others. >>43420287It's not so much of emotional rather than it's a problem with the framing of the question. Everyone taken at face value, has to be quite literally every person on Earth. At that point, the lives of others would quite literally be in the hands of the understanding voters. It only makes sense to vote blue because long term nothing happens. Voting red is gambling on whether or not Objectivism makes for a workable society.
>>43420285i don't want to live in a world of blue voters. you're all gaslighting guilt tripping virtue signalling psychopaths who are literally destroying our world with these kind of shit tests constantly except in real life. you're the reason white countries are full of rapist murderer browns.
>>43420311>>43420311This shit test was clearly designed by a red button pusher and is biased toward red button pushing. The whole thing is designed so you can laugh and say 'look at those stupid blue button pushers haha". Otherwise why not change the wording around..the whole thought experiment is created to make red button pushers look rational
picking blue is evilyou are FORCING people to risk their life saving you for no reason at all besides some smug sense of superiority, it's no different from running into a burning house and then trapping everyone who comes in to rescue you until half the onlookers are inside the building. genuinely deranged fucking behavior
>>43420321>..the whole thought experiment is created to make red button pushers look rationalthe red button pusher lobby is inventing thought experiments to make red button fans look good yes
>>43420296Because they're going against the 10 billion people who have already proved that they are pro-life. If you weren't, you would have killed yourself by now. >>43420298You know for a fact that you would click blue also. If you didnt want to, and have that little faith in other people's faith of humanity, then you would have already killed yourself
>>43420323>Look, I have the very easy, very obvious and extremely simple choice to ensure that nobody dies and life goes but I'm just not gonna do it, okay?>You're the selfish one for wanting to stop easily preventable deaths btw
>>43420321if a red pusher invented this it would be phrased like "the red button does nothing and the blue button starts a game where if less than 50% of people press blue they all die" the original wording makes it clear a blutard wrote it
>>43420347>>Look, I have the very easy, very obvious and extremely simple choice to ensure that nobody diesthats red
>>43420359No, red is the one causing the problem to begin with. If nobody pushes red then nobody dies no matter what happens with blue..on the flip side people pushing red brings us closer to disaster
>>43420343there are literally people in this thread saying they would press blue because there's a chance they'd die
>>43420359Blue is quite literally the nothing happens button but people are paranoid retards where they vote to kill others anyway because guess what, not everyone is a paranoid retard
>>43420369if nobody pushes blue nobody dies
>>43420343>You know for a fact that you would click blue alsodelusional, now you think you know my mind, I would 100% press red, people are selfish, I'm not going to die on a suicide mission that fails
>>43420376>if nobody pushes blue nobody diesMaybe in a world where everyone was Max Stirner that such a scenaro would happen but sadly do not live in a world of egoists
>>43420369if nobody pushes blue nobody diespeople can only die if both red and blue are pushed>>43420374pushing red doesn't kill anybody
>>43420385stirner mentionI got the fellow feeling
>>43420385wise words from dunderdale 2 ost turned on when this image loaded which is pretty funny to me
>>43420370>there are literally people in this thread saying they would press blue because there's a chance they'd dieRhetoric means nothing, action is everything. That just further proves my point that people have an inmate faith in life itself>>43420383>I would 100% press red, people are selfishExactly. Its a projection of your internal feelings. You are selfish, and lacking faith in life, therefore you would act selfishly and end your life.
>>43420398you're so obviously projecting>you have to press the suicide button, if you don't want to then you must actually be suicidal!
>>43420398>you would 100% do x>wrong>exactly, you would 100% do not xyou're not very smart are you
>>43420405That's not what the test is. The test is about if you have faith in others, or not. Simply living life is proof that you have faith in life, therefore you would click blue.
>>43420411Literally read a Bible or learn about the USD. It's a question about faith and internal motivation to enact your faith. You're choice is a projection of your own faith, not others.
People who vote blue are also the same people that voted to let in millions of migrants from africa and the Middle East for no reason
>>43420418>faith in lifewrong, it's whether you think more than 50% of people will press blue so that people that don't understand the question wont die"faith in life" is meaningless, life exists we can observe that already we don't need faith in it
>>43420426nope it's just a thought experiment
If red pushers got their way then all the pro-social humans would die and society would fall apart. A society of just red button people will get nowhere
>>43420428and both decisions are getting people killed to make themselves feel like good people
>>43420445if we got our way nobody would die, you're pushing to gamble on mass death
Neither choice is superior, this is just a personality test and reveals your character. This is testing whether you are altruistic enough to risk your own life for others. There is nothing wrong with valuing your own self-preservation above all. I admire bluechads for their heroic choice but redbros are just keeping it real. I'd press blue to try to save everybody but I'd know deep down I was taking a stupid gamble.
>>43420457read >>43420030
>>43420385Tbqh this thread is showing me the mental deficiency of American libs and other collectivist retards It is not anyone's responsibility you chose to kill yourself, in fact it is a moral wrong to try to stop you, you have full ownership over your own life. Kill all blues for that is what they want.
it's 18-8 red to blue, that's eight dead blueboos and 18 living Red Legends
>>43420457If the choice was >red: 3 billion people die>blue: you dieI'm always pressing red. What does it matter being le moral if I'm dead? Fucking Christian morality cucks
>>43420457>risk your own life for otherswhat othersthis is more like a "can you do basic game theory" test
>>43420428>same people that voted to let in millions of migrants from africa and the Middle East for no reasonYou mean .001% of oligarchs that first bombed their countries, and then profited off their indentured servitude in our country? Get some perspective >>43420430>The USD exists, we don't need faith in itWell yes, yes you do. The people claiming to want to vote red are proving that. They would rather sacrifice their life than have faith in other people. Which is fine, because the vast majority of people don't live their life with the urge to kill themselves and give up on the experience. 99.99% of people will be voting for Blue, even those who claim they would pick red
>>43420428I vote red and am pro destroying all borders and nationalities thoughever
>>43420479you can talk abt the reasons the capitalist class puts up these policies and the reason that the retarded goycattle vote for them at the same time don't need to pick one or the other
>>43420479I didn't say anything about the USD, don't put words in my mouth>red would rather sacrifice their lifelmao did you misread the question, red lives whatever happens>99.99%super delusion, even in this thread it's 18 red 8 blueI'll take a leaf out of your book now>umm you say you would pick blue but actually if it was real you'ld pick red pssshhhht I know your brain
kikes and jeets will 100% press red btw
blue pushers: would you press blue if you knew 40% of the world had already pressed red?
>>43420494>ppl that press blue are fascists Why does that make so much sense. Fkn suicide cults.
don't care for the racism
>>43420487>>43420494I definitely do not miss being 13 years old. Good luck kids. 4chan is 18+ btw
>>43420503you do realize theres no way you can have 40% of the votes for red and 0% for blueright?
>>43420523>I can't answer how I would feel if I didn't have breakfastinteresting
>>43420519ironically it's very childish to throw out insults instead of being civil and making your arguments politely
>>43420246i am talking about indian izzat, not semetic izzat https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Day%27s_Work_(Kipling)/William_the_Conquerorfrom this source: "in order to prevent famine and mass death, you must work for one day herding goats""'But I am no goatherd,' said Faiz Ullah. 'It is against my izzat'"it is part of the indian mindset that any amount of help that could be provided is not to be done unless it grants them social status and makes people respect them as important in their caste
>>43420527youre pretending like its realistic for one side to have a sizeable headstartwhat if exactly 50%-1 had already voted for blue and you could without fail control 50%+1 of the votes? what would you vote, anon?
>>43420536why are you unable to think about a hypotheticalnobody said anything about realisticdo you think these magic buttons are realistic?dear me
>>43420530Genuinely take some time and extrapolate on that idea, but to yourself. You're trying to legitimize yourself by suggesting every low IQ idea is with engaging with, it's not. Same shit Jews (or insert any group that you fundamentally find abhorrent) do, when you really should just be executing them. You can't argue against immorality with the immoral people, they don't actually care about your opinions of them. All you have to do is take appropriate, just, action against them.Again, 4chan is 18+
>>43420541>why are you unable to think about a hypotheticalbecause i just woke upalso you dont have to spam the breakfast experiment everywhere because you saw a /pol/ screencap in your reelsbut yeah i would press blue no matter what, by choosing red i would just guarantee myself survival in a world full of people i despise
>>43420553>You're trying to legitimize yourself by suggesting every low IQ idea is with engaging withyou mean worth engaging with?I'm not doing either of those things, nothing is "worth" anything fundamentally>kill people kill people kill peopleno thanksI think you're unable to make a solid argument about morality, you can disprove that if you have the ability to, I don't think you doI would guess you're a lot younger than me :) but I wont hold that against you kiddo
>>43420562Im 28. I used to think just like you. You need to spend more time thinking. Good bye
>>43420568I'm 35, you're running away from an argument because you can't figure out how to even attempt to make it
this guy is in his twenties and acting like the wise old unc on /tttt/ let that sink in
>>43420561>everywhereI'm not, I used it once here, you're hallucinating perhaps?thank you for answering the question>what if exactly 50%-1 had already voted for blue and you could without fail control 50%+1 of the votes? what would you vote, anon?if I could be 100% sure I'm flipping half the world's population dying to everyone living yeah I'd pick blue, no risk for me
>>43420575they've got it figured out we need to save everyone, read the bible, and kill various populations of people
>>43420575>you're running away from an argument because you can't figure out how to even attempt to make itI genuinely refuse to think you can believe this to be true past the age of 13>The Palestinians should just keep debating! Them fighting back actually means they have no real argument *smugly crosses arms*
>>43420592>kill various populations of peoplei mean thats not wrongindians/jews/blacks are NOT pressing the blue button
>>43420592>They've got it figured out we need to save everyone, read the bible, and kill various populations of peopleNone of that applies to me. Glad you made a mental sock puppet to make yourself feel better though
>>43420606this is not a situation that resembles the genocide of Palestiniansthis is a forum where people talkyou can't kill me here, but you do have the option to back up the assertions you make, instead you insult and run away (and come back and run away again)
>>43420612>blue>Literally read a Bible>you really should just be executing themnice attempt to start a new argument to distract from the other one you tapped out on
that feeling when you compare your suffering on 4channel dot edu to crimes against humanity
19 to the reds 8 to the bluesit's looking like almost a third of the thread is dying
>>43420644Killed by team red.
>>43420651it was a collaborative effort, you had to push the go into the crusher button, we had to push the crusher will crush buttonif all it took was one red press to activate the crusher would it change what you did?
>>43420659>you had toYou were responsible for the Iives of others and failed. Everyone entering the experiment assumes that responsibility. You can't say "it doesn't apply to me". You push the red button, you increase the likelihood of others dying. You knew the stakes.
>>43420670responsibility is assigned not observed, I don't feel responsible for anybody dying in this situation, I want everybody to live>Everyone entering the experiment assumes that responsibilityno>You can't say "it doesn't apply to me". I can>You push the red button, you increase the likelihood of others dying. You knew the stakes.imperceptibly raises the chance we'll be over 50% sure, that's not the same as killing anybody, blue must also act in order for there to be deaths, no blue = no deathspressing red also lowers the chance that one person (me) will die by 100%, every red vote guarantees another person will not die
when the vote is more than 50 blue there's no better way to vote, either way changes nothing unless you're exactly on the edgewhen it's less than 50 blue it's better to pick red unless you're exactly on the edgetherefore red begets red but blue does not beget blue, so red seems to be the safer choice since it may go from blue to red but it's unlikely to go from red to blue
>>43416558>everyone presses the red button>nothing happenshello? why is this an argument, its not like a prisoners dilemma or some shit its just a high stakes reading comprehension test
>>4341655840% of the world's population lives in this polygon. are you still pressing blue?
>>43416558Depends from what my loved ones would press. If they press blue, I press blue as well because I don't want to live and the only reason I keep living is so they aren't sad, so either we all live or we all die and I wouldn't press the red button because I can't handle killing them. If they press red button I do the same because I don't want them the misery of me dying if not enough people press blue.Though, I would try to pressure them into pressing blue because of my fear of like 49% of people pressing blue, which would likely lead to a societal collapse and I don't wanna live through that.
>>43420715Read the thread, the blue voters want to save the blue voters, so they press blue, and the red voters are murderers for not wanting to die for no reason
>>43420771nobody is even at risk of dying if people press red, no reason to kill yourself
>>43420783But what about the blue voters? There will be some, we're told, but the blue voters
>>43420783>nobodyWhat stuns me most is the desperate insistence of red voters that they can affect nothing, they're just innocent bystanders, bear no responsibility, and them affecting the odds of an unknown number of people fucking dying is an oopsie.
>>43420789why do you assume there will be blue voters? the explanation never implied it
The question isn't clear about what happens if you can't comprehend the scenario, do all the babies press randomly?
>>43420800It says everyone. So yeah, even the babies.
>>43420799All of the blue voters in here believe there will be lots of blue votersBillions apparently >>43420797Oh we know we can affect the percentages, by a minute fraction
>>43420730yes because in that polygon they are pressing 95% redwhite people are really the only ones who will press blue when you think about it
>>43420803I would guess that was just unforseen by the question setter rather than it was intentional, it dramatically changes things, I would press blue if otherwise half of everyone that couldn't comprehend question died, or at least I hope I would
>>43420812Anon, it's formal logic. Everyone. The whole set of humans.
>>43420814Did you misread?
>>43420797in real life people do not just get to "choose" not to die, also i believe most people generally do what they think benefits them
>>43420821Just clarifying that the question already contains the info you were requesting.
>>43420825You're wrong, I asked if they would choose randomly, that is not in the question, they might abstain or grow up first, there are other options
Does x do y is not the same question as is x part of z
>>43420812you would still have people pressing blue on principle, are you ok with killing them but innocent babies are the red line?
>>43420833We must take the question as is. They would choose as they would choose in real life.
>/lgbt/ - Ethical Dilemmas
>>43420837What principle? I think I would respect their wishes to like die or whatever
>>43420843blue is a wish to die in the same fashion red is a wish to killare you saying that killing is better than dying
>>43420838They wouldn't choose in real life that's the problem, you can arbitrate in multiple ways, there's no time limit set on this, depending on where the buttons are kept and what kind of access you have to them and the question maybe no baby votes until they're a teenager
>>43420845What principle do you mean, it sounded like some ritual self sacrifice, if that's not right what is it
>>43420879>>43420879>>43420879
>>43420799why do you assume there won’t be one? Even if red is the objectively safer option someone could vote blue for whatever reason. The chief issue with voting red is the moral culpability after all. Even if it’s ultimately suicide to press the blue button you have a hand in that death by pressing the red button. In that light someone could vote blue due to personal or religious reasons they feel so strongly about they would risk their life over it. Since to the blue voter, it being the morally clearer option is what makes it appealing.The correct choice though is to choose the button most likely to win. Which is the button I press. Button biases are for midwits.
>>43417894aw schweet, schizoposter
>>43420884yah obviously you press the button thats gonna win, no reason to be a contrariani just dont think im responsible for someone choosing to kill themselves desu, technically we could have world peace tomorrow if everyone wanted it that bad but thats not how the world/humans work and i dont really consider myself morally bad for not like bombing the govti think morality is kind of a spook a lot of the time anyway
>>43420935you misunderstand anon, I press the win button. You press the red button.
>>43416558Blue because I don't want to be here anymore but I don't want to commit suicide
Blue button. I don't give a fuck about logic.
