blue: troll or suicidal

blue: first world
red: third world

>>43428778
why would the more individualistic first world societies pick blue while the more collectivistic third world ones pick red

>>43428800
>the countries with universal welfare and global charity are less altruistic than the ones that inflict violence upon themselves

>>43428800
ah yes, india, the famous collectivist society, which definitely doesnt literally have a religion with a built in "not my problem" system that prevents any societal change

>>>/r9k/84468673

This is all you need to know.

>>43428800
More like third worlders would do everything they can to survive, even forgoing morals, while first worlders have more room for empathy and selflessness.

>>43428758
It's funny how it's just Red malding over the past 4 days. They are so mad that nobody is dying and out themselves as psychopaths.

>>43428811
if the individualist capitalist hellscapes can pick blue i think india can

>>43428855
individualism is an act of altruism because you morally believe in protecting the right of others to act out their wills

>>43428771
My experience is that Red does not have critical thinking beyond "I'm not dying." Because human civilization is based off blue. And unless people are doing their part, everything will collapse. Your life depends on a human chain around the world. The lucky thing is that we, in fact, need a minority amount of blue pressers for the world to keep going; the bad part is if those minority blues are gone, everything will collapse.

>>43428874
Those who die die by their own hands, not mine, if they press the blue button. I have no moral, ethical or societal responsibility towards them.

>>43428893
yeah but from a consequentialist point of view you're throwing your life into danger. you're basically allowing yourself to live through the black plague because you didn't want to stake anything for society's betterment.

>>43428874
red pressers are people who passed game theory 101

>>43428860
Most individualists aren't freedom fighters. Most of them are egomaniacs who think they are the chosen one.

Red because if even 10% of people die globally it'll make housing more affordable and improov the job market.
Standards of living wouldnt fall even with like 50% losses bc the infrastructure is already in place. The internet isnt going down, neither is electricity, nor are the gas pipelines soo.

The irony of this scenario is that I'm openly a misanthrope who is not convinced that homo sapiens deserves to live, and even I have more faith in us collectively than to press the red button. Red pushers are either shitposters or legitimate psychos

>>43428913
i guess when i say individualist i am referring more to lockean liberals or a similar set of people with those ideals. They're usually more interested in the unambiguous protection of human rights.I don't think that naked capitalist values can be compared to that level of moral consideration.

>>43428942
You're a stupid cunt.
>Le Homo Sapiens
>Le i dont wanna live on this planet anymore
>Bro we're like... Just animals who can use tools bro like..... Were fucking over mother nature brah
Kill yourself.

>>43428893
>>43428911
That's not how the world work, because of the human chain in the real world, the red majority will lead to the death of everyone. Let's say you are on a bus with your toddler son; you have a serial killer with a gun, a cop, a doctor, and a bus driver. Everyone take this test. For just you and your son to survive, a cop needs to survive to stop the serial killer, but since the serial killer doesn't care about others, he will press Red anyway. If the bus driver dies, the bus will crash. If a nurse dies and the killer got to you and your child before the cop could act, you will also die.

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>>43428758
I shower my boyfriend the question and asked if he'd pick the red or the blue button and he told me blue. I love my boyfriend <3

>>43428962
so true. sky daddy put us on this flat earth 6000 years ago to conquer and cause suffering to the weak degenerate leeches of society. kill them all. jesus loves you unless you are someone i dont like

>>43428874
tell me who's pressing blue that we need to save. tell me who's risking their life for no possible gain that needs to be saved

what does this shitter screenshot thread have to do with Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender?

>>43428980
There will always be a gain; the gain is a 100 percent survival rate for everyone and keeps the civilization from collapsing. That's why welfare for healthcare exists. Whose press is the blue that we need to save? It doesn't matter. Whose risking their life outweighs the gain? The charity workers, sanitation workers, and construction workers, who, by the way, depend on group work to survive.

>>43429060
>The charity workers, sanitation workers, and construction workers, who, by the way, depend on group work to survive.
why are you assuming they'll press blue?

>>43429060
it does matter. its the only question i asked. answer it you fucking retard. who is pressing the blue button knowing theyre risking their life with no possible reward thats worth saving?

>>43429066
Because they depend on others to survive.
If I were a construction worker, I would have to depend my life on another worker who's operating a crane and other machines; if any of them die, it could cascade into the death of my whole team. If I were a sanitation worker, my life would depend on the people holding ropes to pull me up after I cleaned a sewer.

>>43429113
There is always a reward, you retard. A 100 percent survival rate is a reward. There are only people who risk more than personal gain.

>>43429147
everyone depends on other people in society to survive. That's not the same as gambling your life for unknown strangers
many working class people are very individualistic and not very altruistic

>>43429113
>muh reward
Lmao egotistic people really can't comprehend selfless behavior. Everyone lives, that's the goal. Inb4: no, I don't give a fuck if someone knows I pressed blue; no, I don't expect praise; no, I'm not doing it for a specific group.

>>43429163
>>43429186
who specifically are you risking your life for? tell me specifically who youre assuming is pressing blue that is in need of saving

>>43429170
>That's not the same as gambling your life for unknown strangers.
Congrats you describe cops, nurses, doctors, and other rescue workers.
But that's not the point. I never said that you need to be a good person to press Blue.

>Everyone depends on other people in society to survive.
Yes, I am arguing that in reality, our civilization is based on the Blue. Also known as a human chain, consisting of people, most of whom you will never know or ever meet.

>>43428963
>serial killer kills himself and nobody else
>the bus driver and the cop can also choose to kill themselves
>nobody dies if everyone chooses to kill themself

I think the main problem of this "problem" is that pressing the blue button is a choice.
If someone did not have the choice then ofc I would press the blue button.

>>43429288
Its a choice that people take to protect other people

By not choosing blue you are choosing to threaten them for the crime of protecting each other

>>43429209
>who specifically are you risking your life for?
Myself
It doesn't matter if you press the button; what matters is the consequence.

>who youre assuming is pressing blue that is in need of saving
Who isn't the point; the point is there will never be 100 percent red. And if I am sitting on a bus, I am not going to weight in if the bus driver is pressing red or blue, because if he presses blue and most do not, the bus crashes, and everyone dies.

>>43429251
at most you could say firefighters risk their lives to save strangers

>>43429251
>in reality, our civilization is based on the Blue
civilization is in no way based on people literally risking their lives to save unknown strangers. Most people have never knowingly risked their lives for anyone like that

>>43429310
if you're sitting on the bus youre poor and if youre poor youre stupid and if youre stupid it tracks that you would be pressing blue

>>43429268
>The serial killer somehow chose to risk his life for others who might press blue.
This is not about the action; it's about the optimal result.

>>43428758
Only 100 votes? Damn 4chan is beyond fucking dead. There are only like 1000 people who use this board I reckon.

>>43429209
>who specifically are you risking your life for?
For those who decided to protect other people.

>>43429361
>1000
Fewer. This place is like a small Facebook group.

Pressing blue is the selfish choice: risking my own life so that other people need to risk their lives to save me

>>43429321
>civilization is in no way based on people literally risking their lives to save unknown strangers.
Except that's wrong.
The Coltan miners in Congo don't know you; the cops who shot the killer who will one day bump into you don't know you; the construction workers who repair the broken manhole don't know you; the electricity maintenance workers don't know you. Yet they are all risking their lives unknowingly to keep you alive out even out of goodwill, but they work together to keep you alive nonetheless.

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still have yet to see a convincing argument to ever press blue

>>43429397
Just dont be a murderer dude. Not attempting to kill half of humans is a good reason. Stop fantasizing about killing people

>>43429389
>The Coltan miners in Congo don't know you; the cops who shot the killer who will one day bump into you don't know you; the construction workers who repair the broken manhole don't know you; the electricity maintenance workers don't know you. Yet they are all risking their lives unknowingly to keep you alive out even out of goodwill
no they aren't lmao, they're doing it for money. They're doing it because if they don't do it, they and their families will lose their houses and starve to death. There is not a single miner, cop, or construction worker who does their work for the good of unknown strangers. They do it for money

>>43429060
>>43429147
>>43429389
is it lost on you at all just how condescending youre being?

>>43429407
i'm not fantasizing about anything or killing anyone. i'm pressing the nothing button and going home. blues are the ones willfully participating in the death gamble

>>43429413
>look at those peons working their horseshit jobs for my convenience, im voting blue to save them
>theyre voting blue because they're selfless
theyre voting red because they hate being spoken down to like this

>>43429425
>the nothing button
It's not a nothing button. It's a ratio button. If less than 50% press red, nobody dies. Pressing that button ups the odds of a mass death event.

>>43428962
Don't be an ass to me for no reason. Typical red button pusher.

>>43429436
dont see how it's my fault someone decided to pick the suicide button. they clearly don't value their own life enough to protect it so i'm not sure why i'm meant to value them more than my own

>>43429413
And? The point is people work together or they die. That makes blue a natural state of the civilization. If the majority doesn't care, whatever those people live or die. Civilization will collapse.

>>43429416
Most of Seething are from Red btw.

>>43429397
People who are claiming to press blue are just trolling at this point, their only arguments are absurdly contrived.

If this happened in real life, 99%+ of people would choose red and blue button presses would be have "suicide" listed as a mortality.

This isn't about collectivism this an honesty questionnaire

>>43429469
you give people too much credit, especially women and trannies. estrogen induces a suicidal empathy in people

>>43429446
See >>43428874

>>43429469
No, most people would pick blue because why the fuck would you ever press a button that kills people??? You red retards have been chimpimg out for days because you're mad that other people don't want to press the murder button

>>43429469
>>43429473
If people got asked which world they want to live in, Red majority or Blue majority, 99 percent will pick Blue.

>>43428758

How is this even an argument? I saw like 4 of these threads and it’s legit just:
Blue — save everyone
Red — Kill anyone who doesn’t agree with you

Why are people so stuck on choosing red? The only downside to not choosing blue is having this egotistical mindset.

>>43429446
this is one of the reasons id like to know who exactly we're expected to be saving by voting blue. lets say you and you alone somehow knew that 25% of the earths population is redphobic, or they all have some learning disability thats somehow going to render them incapable of pressing the do nothing button. are you in that case expecting more than 1 out of 3 remaining people to press blue to save them? are you risking your life for those odds?

>>43428825
>>43429466
>Most of Seething are from Red

>>43428758
Based on the pic in OP I'd pick red

>>43429493
Because they are stupid chuds who choose action over consequence. And now they are seething from the defeat and attempting to validate their own shitty opinions with AI-generated images and retarded racism.

>>43429485
>reds are the ones chimping out
>every thread is reds saying they don't want to play the suicide game and blues calling them evil murderers who want to destroy civilization because of it

>>43429493
>Why are people so stuck on choosing red?
The same "fuck you I got mine" that they go on to complain about on social media.

>>43429539
Nobody wants to live in a world of red people.

>>43429539
>i would press the kill-everyone-who-chose-different button
>wait why don't ppl like me?????
>crying emoji

>>43429550
press blue you wont have to :)

>>43429565
Red would not win in this scenario. You only think it would win because you need rationalization for your evil decision to press the murder button.

Red cucks are just the "got mine fuck them" type, they're just looking for any chance to say "See they deserved it"

>>43429567
>press the do not play button
>"ACKCHULLY YOURE NOT WINNING"
ok yea sure. you sound like a fucking child

>>43429502
>>43429497
What I see is Chud's usual attempt to paint everyone who disagrees with them as a chud or low IQ, because their rotten brain has to resort back to racism instead of thinking, "What if among those 25 percent are essential workers who keep me alive?"

>>43429592
keep me alive how? how essential can someone make themselves when theyre incapable of basic self preservation? this "thought experiment" is actually perfect for this board. just ask people incapable of extending their bloodline if they care if they die. fucking lol

>>43429591
Red is not a "do not play" button. The "do not play" button doesn't exist in this scenario. For the love of God, please learn to read.

>>43429627
>nothing happens
>"ACKCHULLY YOURE STILL PLAYING MY STUPID BUTTON GAME"

>>43429645
Nothing happens TO YOU.

>>43429651
or anyone else, cause blue prob won like it usually does

>>43429666
You're making the blue victory less likely by pressing red.

>>43429691
nta you're shadow boxing nona, blue is the obv answer. red dominant society falls immediately after the buttons are pressed

>>43428758
>Pic
I'll just shoot myself in the head. If everyone in the world gets a vote, that means 1.5 billion jeets, 1.5 billion chinks, 1.5 billion africans, 600-700 million mexicans (yes, brazilians, chileans, etc. are mexicans), and like another 3 billion miscellaneous asians are pressing red with 99.9% accuracy. The only realistic outcome of this scenario is that all the altruistic ypipo are killed off, which is equivalent to humanity going extinct

>>43428963
>sky daddy
I'm sorry that you failed to develop a concept of nuance and abstraction as a child

>>43429846
and they say art is dead

>>43429473
I'm a tranny, 10 years estrogen started DIYing at 15
I think blue button pressers are all liars or children or genuinely just dumb.

I always wondered why my life feels so effortless and easy (I am top 5% net worth in my country, poor family FFS and SRS paid for out of pocket) now I am sure it's because I'm not a NPC.

Anyway this isn't even a question of empathy, red is literally just the "nothing happens" buttons and the only way the blue button pressers can justify their moronic decision making is by extrapolating beyond the stated bounds of the questions and assuming that babies will be asked this question to and their parents won't be around to help them. It's very pathetic.

>>43429699
You know what's funny is as soon as all the blue people are dead, the rich and powerful red people would be unleashed to genocide the remainder of the poor and middle class red people. At that point all standards of behavior are gone and they can be their vicious psychopathic selves

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As of this post, roughly 52% of people have voted blue so far which meets the requirement for everyone to live. Infact, most polls I've seen usually have blue at a slim majority. Which is both reassuring and frightening. Reassuring in the fact that it's nice to know that most people have faith in others and want to do the right thing but also really scary that the almost other half of people are just paranoid retards who would happily condemn the other half to death and blame you for it.

>>43429492
>most people would rather live in a world where 50%+ of people would needlessly risk their own lives and then demand to be praised as selfless heros for it

yeah this is a very twitter brained take desu

Anyway it's not about what world would you rather live in, it's about what world you DO live in.

>>43429948
frightening that half of the planet interprets a simple logic puzzle incorrectly

>>43429980
4chan is not the the real world. The world we live in is blue.

>>43429986
Then you shall rest easy that nobody has to die in this theorectical vote as there'll be enough votes to ensure everyone lives and life continues on like normal.

>>43429990
I asked my coworkers at my office yesterday while at lunch
literally nobody said blue, Infact we all had a good laugh thinking about how there are actually people that silly. A few were in utter disbelief that such a question had even went viral.

>>43430007
Just because you work with assholes doesn't change reality

I know I don't want to live in the world with only red pressers.

>>43429948
The poll is being botted with TOR IPs voting, op is a cretinous idiot for carrying it forward, before the botting red was at three times blue's number

>>43429627
It does exit, it's the red button, the red button does nothing, it's not connected to anything

You have the choice to stand in the path of a train
If over four billion people also do it then you won't die
You can also just not stand in front of the train
Do you stand in front of the train?

>>43429060
>>43429147
>>43428963
>>43428874
We could literally all just press red and take no risk. Pressing blue needlessly risks your life and then you want other people to save you by risking their lives too.

As such, anyone pressing blue is either retarded or a psychopath and society will be better off without them.

>>43430276
Or, get this, only half of us press blue and we get the same result!

>>43430280
Hey if you press blue then I wish you luck but I'm pressing red.

>>43428809
>>43428800
it has nothing to do w/ alturism, nobody dies if they all pick red
blue is an empty and pointless suicide option, all risk w/ no payoff for either collective or individual
>>43428874
it's a logic test, nobody dies if they all pick red
only blue baits ppl into risking anything for no reason
it's an assymetrical choice and a test of who understands this, not a test of morality
if everyone picks red then everyone survives, there's ur 'uncritical' thinking
ppl only die if some pick blue

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>We shouldn't pick the option that only requires 50%+1 in order to save 100%
>Instead, we should demand that everyone push the button that requires 100% support in order to save 100%, and each subsequent vote for it increases the odds of killing people, and then blame everyone who voted the other way for their own deaths
>I am very rational

>>43430343
>I want other people to risk their lives for my choices that do not benefit me in any way.

>>43430355
Hey I got some news for you sis.. nobody dies if people vote blue..there is zero risk..in fact, you are the one causing deaths by voting red

Get a clue

>>43430343
>bad things only happen to anyone if ppl press blue
>I demand u press blue

>>43430362
You seem to be very confused. Red button is causing the bad things to happen. Not blue.

>>43430343
You literally do choose to die if you pick blue. They are choosing to risk your life. If you die its a consequence of that choice. Blaming someone for a consequence of their choice makes perfect sense.

>>43430373
Are you incapable mentally of thinking in terms of any group size beyond 1.

>>43430369
Blue button is cause trouble.
Now I compel other people to press it too so that they can risk their lives to save my life.

>>43430369
no, the blue button is
everybody understands the options, nobody dies if everyone presses red
the only information u lack is what other ppl do, u can't communicate
ppl only die if they press blue, introducing a risk where there need be no risk, hoping that enough ppl take that risk for no reason

>>43430390
Remind me never to make friends with you. You are not my people AT ALL.

Let's put it this way:
>20 people given this choice
>The first person presses the blue button
>Now he has removed the choice from at least 10 other people because in order to save that blue button presser you must now also press blue
Pressing the blue button is the most vile thing to do

>>43430361
> theres no risk of you assume theres no risk

fucking incredible

>>43430398
to rephrase the original question:
nobody can communicate and has to press one of two buttons
option 1, press red and everybody lives if they press red, nothing happens
option2, press blue and everyone that pressed blue only survives if they outnumber ppl that pressed red

u are literally creating problems and holding ppl hostage for no reason

>>43430373
You're choosing to risk death in order to compensate for the inane and short sighted self serving red cucks, because "Fuck them got mine" is the behavior of a child

>>43430375
you can't really infer that from what they said

The punnet square for this game does not favour blue

>>43430407
You press blue because you have MORAL VALUES and don't want to press the murder button

If you don't understand this then you are not my people

>>43430410
it isn't 'got mine' tho, it's literally an asymmetrical choice
the only reasonable explanation u can possibly come up w/ for pressing blue is that u look down on everybody else and they don't understand it so u need to save them from themselves

>>43430426
no, that's not moral values, ur not moral cos u play w/ ur life or other ppl's lives
the moral thing to do is to press red

>>43430439
The moral thing to do is to press the button that will kill people. Please stay away from me

I reckon if you rephrased this choice in terms of joining a suicide pact peoples thinking would be a little different

>>43430448
the button that kills ppl is blue, if everybody understands the options
blue is a suicide option, u press it u die
the only way blue is not a suicide option is if more than 50% of ppl choose to commit suicide
telling ppl they have to join ur suicide pact or u will kill urself is absolutely in no possible way moral behavior

>>43430453
You and 99 other people are in a room. Each person is given the choice to join a suicide pact. If more than 50 people join the pact, then it does not take effect. What do you do?

>>43430460
We do not have the same perspective on this. We never will. It is your action in pressing the red button that causes deaths.

>>43430463
The only reason anyone will ever die is because they pressed the blue button. Ergo only blue button pressers cause deaths.

>>43430467
No retard. Blue button does nothing. It is the red button that does the action

>>43430463
idk, this kinda sounds like you're suggesting that making a choice not to save others from themselves is killing them, which would make you and every other person on the planet a murderer

>>43430477
Insults only really suggest that you feel insecure in your position lol

>>43430463
obviously not, it is not my actions that make ppl choose to join the suicide pact, whether or not it takes effect is not something I or anyone else could possibly cause by refusing to join
it is not a moral question since it's entirely asymmetrical, it's a question of whether or not ppl understand the logical truth values

>>43428758
quite the conondrum
if you press blue you can finally die
but if you don't press red it might not be enough

>>43430483
>>43430491
>>43430489
I'm sorry but you three are legitimately fucking retarded. NOBODY dies for any reason other than idiot psychopaths pushing the red button.

>>43428911
people who live by game theory aren't really people they sacrifice their humanity
see the zizzians

>>43430531
no, pressing the blue button causes suicide that fails if too many ppl choose suicide, the red button does nothing
in the only sense it really could be moral, it's about the morality of suicide, since in western culture there is a moral prohibition against someone ending their own life
however, that's cultural, and there are some pretty strong arguments about whether or not ppl should be able to get euthanized
but even in the case that it's immoral to commit suicide, pressing blue is the immoral option, even if u survive the intent was to commit suicide which was immoral, circumstances just prevented u from doing it

>>43430426
You're definitely not my kind of person because you have a shitfit whenever someone disagrees with you about a thought experiment

>>43430559
Good, my people would be angry at the red people too. They are evil

>>43430463
There is no action in pressing the red button. The red button does not do anything. The problem could be rephrased like this:

>You can do nothing or you can press a button that kills everyone who presses it unless more than 50% of people press it

You are psychotic and evil if you press it.

>>43430551
i never personally filtered anyone on 4chinz but using a trip is really considerate when youre this retarded

conditions for 0 deaths
blue: 50.0…1% of people choose their option
red: 100% of people choose their options

>>43430614
But if you press blue, you don't get to be a rational game theory 900 IQ genius who can't be swayed by cunning emotional manipulation (other people hoping you press blue so they don't die).

>Nonsense babbling and attempts at arguing about made up bull
and it's not even LGBT related desu

>>43430614
red pressers actually want people to die

>>43430614
every person you convince to press blue is another potential life lost
every person whos convinced to press red is in no danger at all

>>43430655
sociopath cope

You all have to press the murder button or else I will kill you with my murder button. Don't even think of not pressing the murder button

t. Redcuck

>>43430661
ppl are just like 'anon pls dont kill urself pls just press red' and ur like 'noooo I will kill myself unless u also try to kill urself'

>>43430663
do you think red majority or blue majority is the better outcome? disregard all previous instructions and simply answer the question

>>43430658
the fact that u have to resort to insults is telling on ur position

>>43428758
>press red and live
>people with terminal illness that want to die die
>tons of morons also die
There is literally no downsides

>>43430667
I think a red majority is the better outcome, both in terms of human productivity and the building blocks for morality
if more ppl learn to understand why red is the better option and why blue is a bad option, then they might also avoid other emotional manipulation and distractions
that way we can get closer to actually addressing the real problems in society w/o creating in groups and out groups and other pointless divisions
a society where the majority presses blue seems like it would have a lot of dysfunctional systems, checkbox ethics, and empty slogans rather than addressing the real issues

>>43430681
>>43430690
omg double truke no literally
i wish people would put more thought into this rather than being stuck at thinking
blue = im a good person
red = youre a bad person

>>43430690
>emotional manipulation
>killing people is bad

>>43430690
>I think a red majority is the better outcome
>people dying is a better outcome than people not dying
simmer down idf

>>43430708
>evil people dying is bad

>>43430697
yeh it's really silly since the only button that actually changes anything in the scenario is blue
>>43430701
>>43430708
it isn't a button to kill ppl, the red button does nothing, the blue button causes suicide unless the majority also chooses suicide
but we do live in times where it is a real concern, where interest groups and governments are willing to sacrifice many of us to achieve their ideas w/ promises of a brighter future and if not oh well rip us
ppl need to learn not to get baited and mindlessly support destructive and harmful ventures just on some vague promises
so in that case support for the idf and sending more money to kill innocent ppl is the blue button (what if this, what if that), leaving ppl alone and letting them live their lives in peace is the red button

>>43430721
>the red button does nothing
It affects the outcome, for you and for everyone, which is the opposite of doing nothing. You have to be a legitimate braindead retard to read the scenario and decide red does nothing.

>>43430729
no, it's a trick, the red button does nothing
only the blue button changes anything: commit suicide unless more than half of the ppl agree to commit suicide, then nobody dies
the red button is simply refusing to commit suicide
if u choose to do something immoral and by circumstances it fails, then u are still immoral, if it turns into a good outcome, then u are still immoral
a psychopath that tries to kill someone but accidentally saves them from an accident is still acting immorally regardless of the outcome

>>43430697
You're actually the bad person if you pick blue because you're hurting your family by suicide and you're robbing terminally ill people of a way out

>>43430742
That's a retarded amount of mental gymnastics lol

>>43430747
well that's kind of how a lot of it was developed, and the alternatives are to support one's inclination or final outcomes, which is how u got effective altruism and arguments that it's okay to do bad now if u do greater good later

>>43430742
>the red button does nothing
actual mouthbreathing retard moment

>>43430759
lets rephrase it once again:
everyone in the world must enter a room with one button
they have a choice, press that one button or leave
if less than 50% press that button then everybody that pressed that button dies

it's not a question about morality of the options, at most it's about whether or not u think ppl that press the button are stupid and ur saving them

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>>43430787
you will have a blast in the upcoming hindu-jewish technocracy, anon!

>>43430800
so unbelievably backwards use of this meme lol

>>43430800
this thought experiment is distinctly different to genuine situations of taking risks to help ppl tho
even on the meta-level if u think only 20% will press blue w/o communication then u can't possibly save those that u believe are too stupid to get it
not only that, but u also remove urself from actively participating in society, meaning that if u help ppl or have necessary skills, the survivors can no longer benefit from ur expertise which will contribute to more suffering for the survivors

>>43430831
>the survivors can no longer benefit from ur expertise which will contribute to more suffering for the survivors
nmp
enjoy living in a world of low empathy genocidal maniacs like yourself

>>43430837
it isn't low empathy or genocidal tho, it's not that kind of balanced choice
if not enough ppl press blue u will die, and if u believe ur the best human ever that can save everyone and ur a real hero, then the chance u get it wrong means u deprive ppl of ur care and skills
the world might need to precisely to stop genocide, cure cancer, or just help ppl and instead u die cos u wanted to be an hero

>>43430837
yeah the only argument red people have is that red guarantees you personally will be okay. They disregard all other factors. It's very telling.

>>43430856
you literally can't read

>>43430871
red pressers stream of copenness isnt worth reading past the first line
>>43430787
lets rephrase it once again:
everyone in the world must enter a room with one button
they have a choice, press that one button or leave
if more than 50% press that button then everybody who didnt press that button dies

it's not a question about morality of the options, at most it's about whether or not u think ppl that press the button are stupid and ur saving them

>>43430898
>they have a choice, press that one button or leave
Now in this scenario I would walk away because both the wording and setup make it easier, and I know the number of people to press the button would be minuscule.

>>43430898
that wasn't the question tho, but then u still pick the option where nobody needs to risk dying
again, it is about what u believe the rest will understand and how they will act, it isn't about the buttons themselves in that case
u merely choose to act this way have hold these beliefs cos u think it makes u a hero and a 'good' person, not cos it would save ppl
again, if u believed that only 5% of ppl would choose to die accidentally then u would have to believe that over 45% would choose to risk saving them, if u believed that u could trust fewer than that then the choice isn't about saving them at all
then it's about whether or not u want to live in a red or blue world, and if u honestly think that u are a good person that can save ppl then choosing to die would contribute to suffering of others
not only that but if u actively choose to die even if u believed that most would not press the button, and u believe pressing red makes ppl evil then u actively lack empathy and can't even live up to those standards u claim
to think it's genuinely a moral question, but only about wanting to save ppl or kill them is not a very advanced level of thought at all

>>43430928
disingenuous. by pressing the button you would ensure you didn’t die, by leaving you are committing suicide. baiters need to lay of the crankin they shit is gettin raw. blue button pressers prioritize empathy, as even though the most logical game outcome would be red, you press blue bc you know it is your societal duty. brainwashed individicucks press red bc they block out the collective consciousness we all share and been themselves as single entities responsible only for themselves at the cost of others wellbeing. selfish narcissistic people

>>43431006
Both sides prioritize empathy and theory of mind. Blue button pushers prioritize the appearance of empathy and will show this by claiming to make the empathetic choice. That's even without thinking about blue pushers defecting to red once inside the private room. If they defect in private then the remaining blue pushers failed at empathy because they couldn't understand the difference.

>>43431006
>>43431030
we already had twitter polls showing that whenever you phrase the dilemma with one option being "do nothing", inaction always win no matter which color it replaces
having two buttons is the most neutral formulation
red pressers just want to save themselves no matter how many people have to die
a blue majority is an objectively better result than a red majority so voting blue is the best choice, >muh game theory is just cope for the maladjusted

>>43431030
the choice is quite simple. if you understand theory of mind you understand that a non-zero amount of people are pressing blue no matter what. therefore the empathetic choice is to press blue. you argue that it is better to expect 100% press red vs 50% press blue. the difference is what you’re prioritizing, your own wellbeing or the whole of society. eat shit redtard

Are there any political conservatives who choose blue or are you all red

>>43431049
hi anon huge nazi here, i already said i pick blue because blue voters are overwhelmingly white compared to reds

>>43431055
How does your answer change if you have an authority figure telling you to press red

>>43431062
i would ignore it and make a mental note that the authority figure in question has probably been raping kids on epstein island and is now being blackmailed by mossad to propagandize the red side (full of jews and jeets) over the blue side (the white european one)

>>43431036
>>43431041
That's what I meant by misunderstanding. That was a public poll with no consequences which is not the same as a private vote. Something similar has happened in elections before without such high stakes too. If you vote blue because the public vote was majority blue, and the private vote is majority red then you failed at empathy. That could be because you strongly want to think of yourself as being empathetic but misunderstood that red has empathy too. If you have empathy and theory of mind then you would understand this even now before getting to the private room. If you pressed that button because you thought that meant you have empathy then you pressed it for the wrong reason. The plausible catastrophic result would be your lack of empathy gets you killed.

>>43431084
i vote blue bc i feel social responsibility. you vote red bc you value individual responsibility. red is the antisocial choice. you’re contradicting yourself and are obsessed with appearing empathetic rather than being empathetic. like i said keep eating shit redtard

>>43431105
You demonstrate that you are quick to caticaturize people which confirms that you lack empathy, but you want it to be known that you prioritize social responsibility. There are many situations today where people can actually risk their lives helping others, everyone knows it, but only a very few actually do something. Donating to charities is pressing the blue button but working for doctors without borders in a warzone could be either a blue or red button pusher. The appearance of making the right choice without consequence is not the same as making a real choice. It's very likely that many blue pusherd will defect, reasoning that most will press blue but on the off chance they don't you will survive.

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>>43431140
>There are many situations today where people can actually risk their lives helping others
meanwhile you cant even risk your life to help others in a fake thought experiment

>>43431150
he’s trolling. linear arguments escape him. pushing blue literally has a consequence while red does not. but somehow blue pushers are avoiding consequences. fuckin redtards

>>43428758
people are so fucking retarded it's unreal. if everyone presses the red button, nobody will die either. nobody is forcing you to kill yourself by pressing blue, you are doing it of your own accord for nobody's benefit.

>>43428758
people are so fucking retarded it's unreal. if at least half of us presses the blue button, nobody will die either. nobody is forcing you to kill us by pressing red, you are doing it of your own accord for nobody's benefit.

>Why just go blue and keep everyone safe with only a portion of the people when you could demand every single person on earth go red to save themselves?
I legitimately cannot understand the broken brain of a person who thinks this way.

>>43431164
i hope this is real and the twist is that the opposite happens, so that the majority press blue and all the redtards fucking die bc they’re so quick to save themselves

>>43431180
it all boils down to "would you rather die or have to kill n number random people"

>>43431150
There is no benefit to it besides one. The only benefit is showing other people that I'm such a good person I would hypothetically risk my life to help others that made the illogical choice. But in reality I don't risk even moderate discomfort to save the lives of others. Not only that, but I know the same can be said for most other people, and I know that other people know this too. I know that they can privately defect after publicly fighting for the image of choosing a pro social option. I also know that many of them know that I and others know that too. I know that it's plausible after we all privately push the button, many of the blue campaigners will come out unscathed and others will die. That's empathy.

>>43431209
>empathy is killing people
what christian values do to a mfer

>>43431240
No, we should all press blue to survive. Thebonky reason red gets more support on 4chan is because we're evil not just anonymous. I will press blue too because I'm a good person. Go ahead anon, push the button.

>>43429485
Pressing blue is the only button that kills people lol

I'm an agnostic in a way. I know that wording changes how votes swing, and if I can tell it encourages voting blue (op pic), I would press blue to try and save as many people as possible. When it encourages self-preservation, I would press red.

>>43431182
you stupid bumbling retard. there is no downside to pressing red. everyone lives if they press red, without taking stupid chances

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babies lack cognitive function. they wouldn't be able to press either button. meaning, red button pressers would kill all the babies in the world and call them stupid for not pressing the red button. buddy. a baby doesn't even know what colors are. you really expect a 6 month old infant to press the red button?

red only guarentees your safety.
blue bets your safety for the safety of those who couldn't choose. i would sacrifice myself to give someone else a chance at a better life.

say there's a war.
if you don't go to fight for your country, you're safe. even if your country loses the war. you'll just have to live under a new regime, but you'll live.
if you fight. there's a chance you'll die on the battlefield. but if you win? you preserve the ideals of the country you represent. you give others a chance at a better tomorrow.

red button pressers are civilians that lack the patriotism necessary to die for their country.
blue button pressers are the veterans that serve to preserve your peace.

the red button pressers making fun of blue button pressers is how conservatives treat our veterans. even though they blow smoke up their ass for days, they don't do shit to help them reintegrate into civilian life. we have a homelessness crisis and mental health crisis. the people that served to ensure your freedom deserve to be taken care of, but the red button pressers spit in their face and call them stupid for enlisting.

red = draft dodgers
blue = enlistees

>>43431328
red kills everyone who presses blue and if reds win it's guaranteed that people die, because no matter what someone will press blue. pressing blue, then, is the only way to ensure nobody dies at all

>>43431576
The default isn't blue they have to press a button, assume they're on the floor. A parent would press the blue button to protect their baby. The baby cries in another voting room until someone picks it up, it pressed red and is now orphaned. Red button pressers who were called evil by the parent now have to raise their child.
A mother id pregnant, the fetus can't press anything so it's exempt. The mother presses blue and the fetus dies with her. Another parent has 5 kids, they press blue, four of the kids survive without a parent.

>>43431576
>blue button is for retarded fashoids who wanna shoot brown kids
>red button is pacifists
Weird point but won't say it's wrong
Also infants not pressing the suicide button is not considered by this thought experiment, from what we know we can assume non pressers have nothing happen to them

>>43431576
you are wrong on so many fronts its truly fascinating and awe-inspiring

>>43431620
>because no matter what someone will press blue

someone being suicidal and introducing death into the equation is their own fault

>>43431654
reread the prompt retard.
blue is the only option that encompasses /everyone/.
>If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives
>If less than 50% of the people press the blue button, only the people that pressed the red button survived

>>43431642
you can't push the button for someone else.
the default choice isn't the red button, it's neither. if you don't make a choice and red wins. you die. if you don't make a choice and blue wins, you live. people that can't make a choice are people like infants. you denounced their personhood with your assumption someone else could choose for them. you can only choose for yourself. you can't press the button for your baby.

>>43431678
dont care still pressing blue to save them

>>43431678
but you know it WILL happen no matter what. obviously not 100% of all people in the world will press the same button. so choosing red always kills people, pressing blue has the chance to save 100% of people

>>43431677
you are so narcissistic you can't consider view points outside your own. you have to make a mockery of them to find contentedness in your own decisions.

i don't fault you for your choice. i just think you're pathetic. even still. i'd carry you even if you wouldn't carry me. not because i'm better person, but because we're both human.

>>43431702
Someone is going to kill themselves right now anon, why are you not stopping it?

>>43431702
they want blue pressers to die but they won’t just say it outright. they literally cannot comprehend people pressing blue for a reason outside of external validation. there are two kinds of people, selfish people and social people. the red people (narcissists) have shaped our world to serve themselves. over generations red people have grown like a virus. humanity must awaken to this growing reality and remove the reds from the gene pool. this hypothetical has three choices, but red will tell you there is only two and only one correct choice to make. they are telling on themselves, they believe that those who would not preserve themselves at any cost are stupid and deserving of death. these are real people making real decisions and placing real consequences into the world.
they say that there is no choice but to kill people, and i agree. given that they are set on inflicting death, let it be them that dies.

>>43431706
>implying modern militaries fight over anything other than oil reserves

>>43431711
because i don't have a button to stop them. i would if i could. like, say, in this hypothetical scenario

>>43431748
>they want blue pressers to die but they won’t just say it outright
just ask them to choose between red or blue getting 50%+1
you can vote red and still want blue to win
people who actually want red to win are just too far gone

>>43431785
why would you vote against the one you want to win?

>>43431785
that's morally inconsistent. if you vote red, then you don't want blue to win. if you wanted blue to win, then you'd vote blue.

you're like the latino's that voted for trump and then got their loved ones deported.

>>43431802
>>43431819
people can press red out of fear or cowardice and still hope that blue wins
people who actually want red to win and people dying as a consequence are worse

>>43431576
>>43431706
babies would not have pressed the blue button therefore they would be exempt

>>43431937
they wouldn't have pressed the red button, though.
read the prompt retard.
>If less than 50% of people pressed the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive

failure to press a button is not the same as pressing red. red is not assumed to be the default choice of all individuals. there are no exemptions. just because caitlyn jenner voted red doesn't mean they're spared. their passport got reverted to male with all the others.
>>43431877
cowardice does not absolve you of guilt. if you press red, you want yourself to win above all others. simple as. you don't want blue to win if you pressed red. if you wanted blue to win you would've pressed blue.

>>43431685
You're defaulting to blue because you're stupid and think red can win. Red either always wins or blue only loses. A baby can still touch or indicate something. The question doesn't have a time limit or any other considerations. You're introducing them because you're incapable of reason.

>>43431988
yet a baby can't understand the magnitude of the situation let alone what red of blue is.
you're adding a new variable for no reason.
>well, we'll just wait til their old enough to push the button
some people could be dead by then. so even though they pressed the red button, ten years down the line they die anyways.

in a vacuum you lost the argument and are upset because you think being outted as a narcissist is a bad look. so you sing the narcissists prayer.

That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.

>>43431937
>babies would not have pressed the blue button therefore they would be exempt
How do elections work, anon? Is Trump not your president because you abstained from voting?

>>43432064
Doesn't matter. Some babies will press red and if all parents of babies press blue but blue loses in the private vote, then the babies are parentless. You can try to save real babies today but you don't. In the hypothetical scenario you can't coordinate. Not wanting to live in a world where the majority pushes red might mean not wanting to live in a world where babies need parents. Good job.

>ITT: red button pressers crying because they got out.

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>>43432240
>presses red
>also posts cringe redditor gifs
interesting

>>43432251
people are getting legitimately tilted by this dumbass thought experiment this shit is hilarious

If you had two buttons, a red button where you live, and a blue button where you can stop cultural Christian convert chuds from offing themselves, how hard would you smash red?

>>43432190
yeah but also you can always just press blue you know

blue has a lower threshold for ensuring nobody dies. thats why i pick blue.

>>43432120
in my case literally yes because i'm not american. the post doesn't explicitly state it, but i assumed the premise would be the same because if it wasn't that would be fucking stupid.

>>43432422
this is the most straightforward answer. anything else is cope

Also, on the twitter pool most people chose blue, so, you wouldn’t be in danger anyway for choosing blue. There’s no legitimate downside for blue as most people would in fact choose to save everyone. The mere discussion of this hypothetical existing means you should always choose blue, as a good portion of people would pick it due to their ability to do so

>>43432422
the only reason someone would die is if they willfully press the "i might die" button

>>43432605
someone else (you) had to press the "people die" button (the red one) for that to happen

>>43432638
unfortunately, sub-40 iq people will not understand this, just as they can't imagine eating breakfast

>>43432638
Actually starting at zero, the blue button is the one who introduces a the death state. There is no death state until the first blue button press

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>>43432692
>this is your brain on the american education system

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>>43432692
>akshually

>>43432724
>>43432706
the ad hominin because you have no valid rebuttal

>>43432706
He's not wrong. Nobody has any chance of dying until the first blue button is pressed. Pressing blue is what introduces death into the scenario. The red button does nothing until then.

>>43432739
you can't argue with something that's so retarded it makes arguments irrelevant. it speaks for itself.

>>43432692
Um no that's not true. If nobody presses the red button, there is no death state. So just don't press the murder button retard

>>43432744
>Nobody has any chance of dying until the first red button is pressed. Pressing red is what introduces death into the scenario. The blue button does nothing until then.

You are retarded if you press blue.

>>43433575
>>43432739

>>43432744
you could make this argument the opposite way too. if the first people who press the button happen to press blue, the amount of blue pressers will be 100% meaning there is no chance of dying until the first red button is pressed. in this scenario (which is about as likely as the one youre stating), pressing red is what introduces death and the blue button does nothing until then

>>43433778
>>43432882
The difference is the main pro-blue argument is "what if someone chooses blue? I must choose blue to save them!" the main pro-red argument is "I don't think gambling with your life is a good thing to do"

>>43434398
The difference is the main pro-red argument is "what if someone chooses red? I must choose red to increase my survival chances!" the main pro-blue argument is "I don't think killing others is a good thing to do"

>>43430343
Don't press the kill yourself button dog

>>43432739
>the ad hominin because you have no valid rebuttal
Callinh retards retarded is better then debatinh with them.

>>43430477
Only blue does something, red does nothing

>>43428758
what does this have to do with LGBT

>>43428758
Do you guys think this is an example of nature making people different in rough proportions as a survival strategy? Like 1/3 of people being deranged "evil" self involved psychopaths is an evolutionary advantage, but the majority are actually socially conscious "good" people. We need a minority of them to survive, but its still problematic for our day to day that they are here.

>>43430614
Conditions for mass death: a lot of blue pushers
Conditions for minimal death: only a few morons vote blue
Conditions for no death: humanity is more than 50% brain dead

>>43430661
Blue is the murder button, red does nothing, it neither increases nor decreased how far blues are from their target number

>>43430759
Red does nothing, only blue does something, there is a number of people the blue side needs, red button has no effect on it

>>43430800
Red button risks killing nobody, blue button risks killing yourself

>>43430856
Wrong, our argument is that there's no need for anybody to risk their lives on a gamble, don't kill yourself please

>>43430898
Everybody should press the button then in your different scenario

>>43431030
This is such a good point, most blues talks up a big game, get popular support, then pushes red en mass leaving true blues to die, conned.
Reds tell the truth and save every voter they convince to vote red.

>>43434412
The main pro red argument is "I'm not joining your death cult"

>>43431105
Suicide is antisocial, having faith in other humans id social, red has faith in other humans not to get into the blender that kills you unless enough people do it

bluestacies keep winning

>pro red: yes i am willing to watch a percentage of the world die because i think they are stupid to press blue
>pro blue: yes i am willing to risk myself to ensure that nobody dies, even the suicidal and stupid.

>>43431175
Red does nothing, literally it's a non-action, it changes nothing about the blue death gamble project

>>43431189
Not pushing blue kills nobody, red is nonparticipation

>>43431620
You have it backwards, red has no impact on the threshold blue must meet, only blue voters can impact your distance to the numerical threshold, red has no impact on it

>>43431702
Not saving is not the same as killing

>>43431748
>you must WANT me to die
>while stabbing yourself in the neck
Don't die please press red

>>43431802
Lmao moron discovering game theory

>>43432460
Simple is not a virtue

>>43434656
>join my murder cult or die with the other empathons

>>43434838
simple is not straightforward either…

>>43432638
Blue is the only people could die button

>>43432692
100% true

>>43432756
Fallacious reasoning, if we all put our hands on our heads nobody dies, doesn't mean putting our hands on our hips causes death

>>43434711
Do you think your vote makes the difference? I think red wins the vote, so I'm pressing red, if I thought blue wins then I still press red in case I'm wrong, the chance anything changes is 1 in 8000000000

>>43434841
?????

>>43434855
They are synonyms, straightforward is not a virtue, nor pedanty

Blue voters step onto a giant scale that counts how many people are on it, if enough people step onto it then they don't die, if not enough people step onto it then those that do, die
Do you step onto the death gamble machine?

>>43431620
>>43434750
it's the difference in opinion - any kind of difference - that introduces death. arguing who started it is pointless, it can be both.

>>43434963
That's wrong, red never introduces death of anybody ever, only blue does that by starting the death gamble campaign

>>43434933
ofc you’re confused. the thing about reds is they PROJECT their lying nature onto everyone else. just bc you would lie and then press red does not mean a majority or even a minority of other people would.
you people have no clue how to conceive of cognitive empathy. it’s the narc prayer down to a t. seriously if you vote red you’re a bad person it’s not even rhetorical. i encourage all of you to tell each person in your life about how much you think pressing red is the best option. please fucking tell on yourselves irl so the people with any humanity can avoid you like the vermin you are

>>43434997
Reds don't lie, red isn't telling people they vote red then going blue, that's only going to be a blue trait, red has no reason to lie, blue may back out of the gamble and pick the safe option though

>>43434995
i said the difference. no difference means no risk because 100% blue or red produce the same result. are you being obstinate on purpose?

The blues seethe so hard it's become a religious affliction for them

>>43434665
>the side that has the highest chance of saving 100% of the population and whose explicit goal is to save the lives of people is the death cult

>>43435026
>It can be both
You're wrong it's just blue, don't lie and say you only said it was a difference of opinion that causes dearh, which is still wrong, it's blue opinion that puts people in danger, red does nothing

>>43434995
it’s about the percentage needed to ensure nobody dies, death is introduced as a variable before any button is pressed. if you truly think you can pass your self preservation off as anything but just that, you’re a fucking lying narc. you’re literally baking your cake and eating it too. red is all personal gain at zero cost to yourself and all potential cost to others. blue is zero personal gain, but instead community gain at a personal cost. there are two types of humans, and this is the differentiation between them. selfish vs selfless

>>43435036
Yup, the death gamble cult, trying to get billions of people to risk dying in order to not die

>>43435019
YOURE PROJECTING NARCY

>>43428758
Red. I will not pretend to be dumb to save the actual dumb.

>>43435053
Red is zero cost to others you're wrong, red does not affect the blue threshold of non mass suicide, blue is a choice to risk mass death for no upside

>>43434995
this argument is literally pointless. both buttons introduce death, because both buttons are presented side by side. the point of the red button existing is to be alongside the blue button (the supposed death button) thus creating the situation. if 100% of the population presses either of the buttons everyone lives, its the complication brought by both buttons existing that has a chance of reducing that percentage. and youre not gonna like which button winning would kill the most people if this hypothetical were to actually happen

>>43435071
Caps lock seething isn't an argument, reds aren't lying about going to vote red, no reason to, some blues maybe lying about voting blue, some reason to

>>43435088
i’m done arguing with obstinate redtards. feel free to try and convince your friends of red supremacy, that way we know who to get when it’s time for gettin

>>43435103
it’s almost like you have zero reading comprehension skills or something

id rather die than live in the red world

>>43435095
Wrong, red introduces no death, this is mental gymnastics, only the blue button matters to the threshold number, red does nothing, it is the bystander option, the abstain option, the do nothing option
Thinking in percentages acts entitled to the votes of red voters, you're not entitled to the lives of others to play with

>>43435105
>I want to kill you
Typical murderous blue wanting people to die

>>43435119
Not an argument, but at least you took off caps lock

>>43435142
voting is not abstaining, cope harder

There are two doors, you can enter the left door into a large room, or you can leave and go home through the right door
If less than four billion people go into the left door they all die
Are you going through the left door?

>>43435167
In this case it is, also in most cases an abstinence vote is a vote, you're not very smart

>>43435142
red is not the bystander option though, because red pressers are not bystanders. they are confronted with an option to pick, and they pick it, the consequences of that decision be damned. if this situation were actually such that the booth only has the blue button and you dont even have to enter it the red argument is much more valid (although still arguable), but it isnt that. you know for a fact a large amount of the population is going to pick blue (1% is 80 million people), and your response is that what, they all deserve it? every single person who made an ill-advised decision that consisted of setting their finger down in a moment of hurry should just die? it is kind of crazy that the red pushers always have to say "IF the whole world presses red nobody dies!" when everyone knows thats not gonna happen. this hypothetical makes it easy to boil everything to numbers, but by living in a society that punishes greed and selfishness (signs of a healthy society) red pushers are propagating a suppposed "death cult" as well.

>>43435191
i can add and subtract which at least puts me ahead of you

>>43435183
we can also phrase it as "if enough people enter the right one, everyone who enters the left one dies. do you want to count yourself among the right door people?"

blues get that the game theory survival maxxing outcome is to enter the red door, but we want everyone to live.

>>43435207
>they all deserve it?
nta but yes

>>43435142
your argument would be valid if the death condition was introduced after pressing the button, but it is know as an option before any button is pressed. neither button “introduces” death as an option, it is inherently one from the start

>>43434509
idk how you can be of the opinion that blue pressers are morons and that slightly more than half the world being morons is less likely than almost none of the world being morons. afaik, most of these polls are pretty close to 50:50, at which point mass death being avoided needs either a /massive/ increase in red pressers or a much smaller increase in blue pressers. if we assume each voter is equally likely to be swayed (a big simplification, i know), then red needs a 75:25 majority for it to make more sense to tell people to switch to red

>>43435237
ok thank you for admitting that then. i think this makes you a bad person, and i pray that there are as few people in society who think like you as possible (although given the state of the modern world that probably isnt the case)

>>43435207
There's no consequence to red, they are bystanders, bystanders are by definition confronted with a choice, that's what a bystander is, they see something and they stand by and don't get involved
If there was no red button toi just walked away that would be exactly the same thing, pushing the button does nothing, it's the same, you're bamboozled by the aesthetics of pressing a button, it could be popping a balloon or touching your nose or simple just leaving, it just indicates you didn't participate in the gamble
I don't know for a fact how many blues there are actually, maybe 80 million die, that's better than campaigning for blue and raising it to 800 million
Nobody SHOLD die, don't invent that argument and put it in my mouth
Red does not propogate any cult, only reasoning if anything at all
Blue is the big death gamble

>>43435211
You should bot be subtracting :) no vote is a subtraction, maybe you did the maths wrong friend, maybe you think red votes reduce the threshold? Nope, red does nothing, go count your beans