for those coping by saying, when i get ffs it will be fine! im sorry to break it to you that it won't be. people only post good ffs results online, not ones where they turn out bad or where basically nothing changes. regrettably i don't think that it has made a big difference for me, i still look exactly like the same ugly twinkhon. no one has even noticed that i had work done, unless they see the scar on my head. and i went to a great surgeon too, one some say is a top five surgeon, but still just basically no changes. still occasionally get misgendered, still ugly, it's still over. ffs won't save you if you aren't already pretty beforehand.
>>43474895Seeing the Finnster FFS results was a massive blackpill to me. Dude paid tens of thousands to look virtually the same
>>43474895Post picI swear to god you are probably just a huge bdd passoid
yeah, thats my thought process too, better used for a car or something.
>>43474917desu i think finnster looks worse off now actually :c pretty sad
>>43474918No because I don't want to get foldered again. I know I can't just be like trust me but you gotta trust me on this. It's like the stupid lilytino ffs video >>43474922Well you should have a car before you get ffs unless you live in a big city
>>43474895post before / after pics. 99 percent this is b8 or bdd.
>>43474917FFS is good at fixing specific features like brow and whatnot but can't do much for overall skull dimensions.
>>43474947I know OP and she's not being BDD over this. Some parts of the face just aren't fixed by typical FFS procedures.
>>43474967I don't think you know me >>43474957Exactlyyyyyy
>>43474895what they dont tell you about as well is its incredibly likely you'll need a revision or second ffs to address sagging, complications, etci have a notch in my chin, bad forehead sagging (wrinkles so bad) whch also causes my brows to hang low, voice damage from intubation, hag nose from unfortunate healing
>>43475081Who did you go to?
>>43475208qq
>>43475237did you tell qq that?
>>43474895Maybe you were just ugly before and you’ll be ugly forever and it’s a ymmv but I’m guessing “your transition failed”
>>43475465Yes that's my point
>>43474895>>43474957I had a bad experience with ffs too, initiallyI got it done in thailand in july (v line). after the swelling was basically gone after a couple weeks, my face looked the same if not less rounded on the lower jaw so I crashed pretty badly as I put a lot of hope in itpushed away some people I was friends with and was getting close to, stopped going out and had a week of bedrotting (thankfully i was already done with my uni exams). but eventually a couple months later my face changed a bit more somehow and I could see some steadyimprovements on the jaw contour, started getting out again and apparently transitioned into full passoid with no misgendering (im sure people here might still clock me but people here clock cis girls too)also like >>43475081 said if u didnt get much shaved off you can do a second surgery which is also a hope im partially clinging to although now im mostly satisfied and learned to accept that it was never going to be the perfect impossible face i had in mindstill, my biggest regrets are not going for a more drastic plan with my surgeon (terrified of a botched job) and how I isolated myself in recovery out of shame and bitterness. at least my family was supporting despite me being a bitch but I still regret some stuff I did. idk I guess I felt kinda hopeless at the time but that eventually changed, and I hope it will change for u toobut u shouldnt just tell other nonas that ffs is useless because it's not, you're just making other people feel worse about their hopes from a personal experience that is still likely to change. and I dont think doomposting or tttt in general is good when you're in a place like that>>43474917>>43474936how long ago did finnster actually have the surgery btw?
>>43474917Why does everyone think the purpose of FFS is to radically make your face look unrecognizable? First of all people like finny already enjoy their face for the most part so intentionally go for modest alterations. Secondly, if your goal is to look unrecognizable, even the most incompetent surgeon can just start chiseling away at your face and achieve that result. It’s tricker to make you look like you, but better.
>>43475662>thailandWho did you go to?
>>43475662bone callus swelling after any type of osteotomy surgery/injury takes a year for 95% of the swelling to go away, you werent even fully healed at a couple weeks.
>>43475430no point when i have no money
>>43475748c.(sak, not wut)>>43475755>you werent even fully healed at a couple weeksya i did realize that eventually but it was hard to see it at the time
>>43475880>c.>(sak, not wut)???
>>43475915twas a joke. chettawut.
>>43474895this pic is retardedmost museums are free or cheap as hell to get into, its literally just 'broke bitch earthy working man' vs 'posh nobility'
>>43475951I don't think you understand picrel. The idea is that the rich girl likes relatively cheap dates and doesn't need to be spoiled by her date.
>>43475476Did you even try anon
>>43476119I hate being ugly
>>43474895yeah this is what is keeping me from dropping the 20k, basically all of the money i have. it feels vain and desperate to get ffs. i think about detrooning a lot. like this is just how it is and i need to stop fantasizing about how different it could be if only my face was filed down a few mm like come on.
>>43475081pics? i was gonna go to QQ
>>43474967hey i'm the person you are actually talking about and it's not OPbut just to strengthen OP's point i am another person who went to qq and didn't get fixed >>43474895if you're in qq disc who are you? i'm julia btw can msg me or something. really really annoying that people hugbox there just wait for swelling to go down hon!
>>43476193i dont upload photos of myself on the internetjoin the discord, there's plenty of pics on there
>>43476241I am OP, I did not go to QQ, I went to DB.
>>43474917He had like 2 things done by the most conversvative FFS surgeons
you should not pay for ffs. you should get insurance to pay for it and put the cash into retirement. (in the US)
>>43474895the idea is that it will save your face if you side profile is messed up but not your front profile right
>>43474895>ffs won't save youit saved me thoughtook a long ass time to start seeing the final results though, my chin/jaw/nose are still changing after 7 months. By comparison, the forehead reconstruction result was almost instant.
>>43476287i'm this one >>43476241 and i'd say that is accurate i posted myself asking if it was over and even here people complimented my side profile but agreed front is still too wide my side profile is genuinely pretty good now but for me front was a bigger issue than side anyway. ffs can't address front
>>43476259i agree, i actually posted about it here, ffs only works for some people who had good facial proportions and just a few clocky features ->>43469340t. fellow DBhon>>43476260he actually looks good but he is in the bucket where he had a few clocky features but with overall decent and passable facial proportions
>>43475662thanks for writing down your experience nona, that hit close to home>pushed away some people I was friends with and was getting close to, stopped going out and had a week of bedrottingI can relate and almost fell for the same trap. I did manage to swallow down some desperation and bitterness enough to reach out though. It was a massive help and helped me distract myself from my own spiraling long enough for the swelling to actually calm down, which isn't some hugbox meme by the way. In fact only my nose settled to its definite shape pretty fast (1 month basically), I dont know why
>>43475662>thailandi'd say that thailand is really bad for facial surgery, i think if you're going to asia you should only go to korea and if you're not asian, you should only go to korea for a few select procedures because they mostly specialize in asian faces with different beauty standards. NEVER go to asia for type 3 forehead reconstruction, they are bad at doing it and type 3 isn't a common surgery in asia because it goes against what they consider beautiful (ie. barbie forehead). some korean surgeons can do type 3, but i think you need to actually be able to speak korean to be able to pick and choose ones who can do it.>started getting out again and apparently transitioned into full passoid with no misgenderingthat's still quite lucky, i get misgendered like once or twice every year and i went to like one of the best surgeons in the us, so it's pretty demotivating and makes me want to detroon
>>43476418it is definitely a hugbox meme. i can feel my jaw directly under my skin. there is nothing that swelling would do to cut down from how it is...? swelling can't defeat spacetime it wasn't that bad at 3 weeks because i was a bit more swelled and therefore a bit rounded so i still looked neotenous. current 4-5-6 week period where i can actually see my jaw is brutal
>>43474917>Dude paid tens of thousands to look virtually the sameNo she looks way worse. For the record I hate to do this but it has to be done.
>>43476459>it is definitely a hugbox memeyeah i'm kinda inclined to agree with that, i think at 2-3 months you're basically gonna see the final result and expecting anything to change after that is kinda cope. i had very aggressive vline and chin stuff done and i still look the same as i did in my selfies 3 months after and 12 months after
>>43476438Op here, same experience re gendering >>43476339I HATE being a DBhon it's so fucking over I feel like surely he has to know when doing consults when sometimes it's just over for people and I wish he'd just be like yeah sorry not worth it >>43476568Yes exactly im like half a year out now and im like huh this was a waste of a new BMW's worth of money
>>43476459>i can feel my jaw directly under my skinThat's the bone callus. Your body takes a long ass time to remodel it, but it will eventually reduce significantly in size.I know it's hard- if you're feeling like I did you probably feel utterly hopeless and betrayed by the surgery result and can't think about much else, but try stop obsessing over that and focus on other things in your life. Focus on studying/work/hobbies/whatever it is you do. Don't push people away and isolate like that other nona said. If you have any, let your family help you. 6 weeks is nothing>>43476568>i think at 2-3 months you're basically gonna see the final result and expecting anything to change after that is kinda copeRetarded honscience take>i had very aggressive vline and chin stuff doneI find it hard to believe that you exactly look the same with an aggressive approach. If that's true, you'll either need even more time for the callus to disappear due to the severity of your surgery, or it isn't being remodeled properly- which can happen and can be fixed although it'll take another surgery.
>>43476690>I find it hard to believe that you exactly look the same with an aggressive approachi don't look the same as before the surgery. what i'm saying is that i looked the same as i did at 3 months as i did at 12 though. a lot of my jaw is gone and it does look different, but i think expecting things to change significantly from 3 months onwards is just not something that happens. when i saw people get stuff like djs and other major procedures, any differences later on are mostly to different cameras, focal lengths and angles, i feel like swelling just doesn't change much
>>43476647>Op here, same experience re genderingso you also get misgendered a few times every year which basically completely ruins your confidence because you realize you can never be stealth? yeah like for me, this was the whole point of transitioning, i think it works for some people but for me, being a semipassoid just doesn't really cut it unfortunately. but yeah i can sympathize, when people go to these top american surgeons, they kinda expect that they'll end up being actual passoids with such high hopes, and the truth is, it just doesn't work out that way because at the end of the day it's still down to genetics and luck whether or not you'll flawlessly pass with ffs or not. kinda brootal>Yes exactly im like half a year out now and im like huh this was a waste of a new BMW's worth of moneyi don't think it was a waste of money, i look better, but at the end of the day, i'm still only a semipassoid because some people can still instantly clock me
>>43474895I know, I'm a permamanmoder and have long ago accepted that IWNBAW, I just want to reduce some of the features that make me want to rope on the daily.
>>43476804Yeah and it always sucks when people are like im sure you do pass blah blah like yes usually but I don't always, and people are always so hung up on acting like that's not true / invalidating my lived experiences
>>43476690>but try stop obsessing over that and focus on other things in your life. Focus on studying/work/hobbies/whatever it is you do. Don't push people away and isolate like that other nona said.nta but idk how to do that. Im 2 months in vline+nose. Focusing on my job doesnt help cause I hate it. I feel everyone in my friends circle is just trying to make me feel better without acknowledging the reality so I tend to shut them down. I was getting close to someone but I shut her down too and now I fear it's too late. I'm lucky enough to have two understanding parents that accepted me long ago, yes. But again they just keep saying everything is fine which isnt true
>>43476690>you probably feel utterly hopeless and betrayed by the surgery result and can't think about much else, but try stop obsessing over that and focus on other things in your lifealso nta. but i feel like this only works if your surgery is a success and you end up being a passoid as opposed to a semipassoid after ffs>>43476947>again they just keep saying everything is fine which isnt trueyeah, i don't really know what to do at this point, it's brutal when you were banking everything on a surgery and now that you've basically exhausted your options, you are in a place where you feel like your transition has failed and you have nothing to live for
>>43476804>so you also get misgendered a few times every year which basically completely ruins your confidence because you realize you can never be stealth?nta but basically me and yea like you i don't think it was a waste of money, i look way better than i did before despite the complications but it's not enoughi didn't transition to be a trans woman i transitioned to be a woman, at the end of the day even if i was stealth i'd still be dependent on estrogen + AAs (extremely sensitive to T) and know I'm trans filled with anxiety 24/7 over every encounter, being trans is just a scale of misery, hon -> passoid -> stealth it's all misery>>43476830people don't understand and don't really care anyways (as in they don't care for the issue but care that it upsets you or that you're upset over it)>>43477033yea it was my last hope, like i got lucky with a windfall and had just enough to get it so i put of suicide using it as an excuse and now i'm a bit lost honestlyi didn't expect it to fix my life but expected something to help me turn it around so I didn't have to feel so self conscious over every interaction, now i don't even leave the house lol8yrs hrt + ffs only for ppl to tell me "once you start transitioning things will improve" and compare me to crossdressers and glam rockstars
>>43476647expensive surgery is definitely a meme, if i get ffs i will not be spending more than 20k.
>>43474895hairclothesvoiceskinaccessoriesmannerismspoisejust as important as face. Honestly, I expected too much from ffs, but once I became more confident being my girly self getting gendered correctly came easy. I believe you will make it in time.
>>43477969they are important for pity passing, but not actually looking like a biological woman
all right I was eating lunch>>43476745As I said, callus remodeling takes forever and might not remodel properly especially if there was a lot of it. You can look into that.>>43476947>Focusing on my job doesnt help cause I hate itThat's fair, don't you have any sort of mindless hobby you can lose yourself into for a bit during your day?>I feel everyone in my friends circle is just trying to make me feel better without acknowledging the reality so I tend to shut them down.To them, the reality is that you’re hurting. They can't feel exactly what you feel, so they're just doing their best to cheer you up. It might miss the mark, but try to remember it comes from a good place.>I was getting close to someone but I shut her down too and now I fear it's too late.I don't know the details but usually it’s only too late if one of you said it was over. Drop the ego and the shame, reach out and explain yourself. If she shuts you down, you're no worse off than you are now. If she doesn't, you've got someone that can be in your corner in a critical time and that might be significant for your future self as well.>I'm lucky enough to have two understanding parents that accepted me long ago, yes. But again they just keep saying everything is fine which isnt trueSame as your friends; they love you and want to help, even if they don't know how. When you’re spiraling, it’s easy to get stuck in your own head and become selfish as a self-defense mechanism and fight off support because it feels annoying; but they’re just trying to be there for you.>>43477033>i feel like this only works if your surgery is a success and you end up being a passoid as opposed to a semipassoid after ffsI didn't consider my own surgery to be a success at all at first. I'm >>43476418I'm taking the time to write all this stuff because I see several posts here that remind me exactly of how I felt myself in the first months post surgery.
>>43477989i disagree. biological women are more varied than you think.
>>43477989literally how would you know when you clearly sit in your room in solitude choosing to be miserable? thats the only way you could have such a retarded and self-pitying take. either grow up, put some make up on and actually go live your life or perish. no one is going to live it for you. a lot of you bitches in this thread need to do the same. of course you think ffs doesnt work! you want to be miserable!
>>43478671I got ffs and it helped a lot. I just don't parade around in CALL ME MAAM clothing to force people to see me the way I want them too. Real passing is male failing in boymode, which I do somewhat often. >>43478090>im heckin valid because Dot-Marie Jones is more of hon than me.
>>43478938>Real passing is male failing in boymode, which I do somewhat oftentrvke, i also dress like a man but i get misgendered once or twice per year as well. if i cis woman dressed like a man, she would get misgendered 0 times per year, and therefore i do not pass
>>43479025EXACTLY. idk how anyone considers getting ma'amed whilst wearing a dress and full makeup "passing." I guess ms doubtfire is a passoid then
>>43478938maybe if you actually transitioned presenting as a woman wouldnt feel like cross dressing it would feel like just being a woman. like you mustve been on hormones for years now if you already got ffs, and yet youre still basically a baby trans talking about malefailing and boymoding... reddit hons mog you
FFS is kind of like MSG. if the base is good, it'll improve the end result. but if the base is not good, it doesnt matter how much MSG you put into it. shit is not gonna improve.FFS is to trannies what a nice car is to gearheads: they think that once they get it all of their problems will be solved. until they realize the issues were always internal, not external. i wish i could project this into the mind of every tranny but no. they just endlessly chase a stupid cliff
>>43479235yea people who say "I just need ffs" are idiots. >>43479195I live full-time as a woman. im 10 years hrt and im mogging YOU because IM not an optics nuke. I just don't dress like a drag queen.
>>43479274they're misguided. for some people FFS can be the right way to go. I know somoene who had a really large jew like nose. and they got FFS and they look a lot better now. but they had done a lot of stuff for themsevles beforehand; they worked out, they had proper hygiene and skincare, they took care of what was going into their body etc.
>>43479291>I know somoene who had a really large jew like nose. and they got FFS and they look a lot better nowthank you for the hopium t. big jew nose haver with ffs scheduled for next month
>>43479274if you think being a gender conforming woman==drag queen and spend your time seething about optics nukes youre beyond hope and will never be happy. have fun sulking hon!
>>43476002i understood it i simply ignored its point because it was fucking stupid and i wanted something to make fun of. if you were a based meditative chad like me you would be incapable of paying attention to anything not worth paying attention to. imagine taking anything seriously, i can't
>>43475696thanks for the reddit explanation of how surgery would work in REAL life i really needed thatanyways me going to the remodel your face store to buy the remodelling free remodel
>>43479769sounds cringe tbdesu
>>43479345maybe its because I live in the Bay Area, but women and men dress the same now. Jeans and a hoodie 90% of the time. The only women that wear dresses to Safeway and whatever normal daily activities aare trans
>>43478043this was actually nice to read amidst the doomposting and shitposting
>>43480458That’s why I moved across the country, NYC has better looking women
>>43482161>move across the country for more competition.I like that putting on a shirt with buttons makes me the best dressed person in the room
