Outsider here, I'd like to ask, is the trans ideology not sexist?You hate a gender so much you are willing to treat yourself with hormones and surgery and months of recovery to get rid of it.How the fuck do trannies align themselves with tolerant groups if this is the case?
you're kind of really stupid and this is genuinely very bad bait ngl
>>43640722You won't find logic in gender ideology, and it's all invented ad hoc to justify getting what they want anyway.
>>43640871what they want is female privilege
>>43640722>hateYou can not like something on yourself, but not resent it in others? Buddy? Theory of mind?
they don't hate black people, they just hate the color of their own skin and are bleaching it to look white
hi opdid you also make this thread >>43641013and this thread >>436408823 threads about women is a little too much for a board made for fags
>>43641211women are the sole cause of all suffering in our worldif we murdered all women, men could live free and happy at long last
>>43640886Here's some theory of mind for you."I feel like the opposite sex" must be an erroneous statement, as it requires the experience of simultaneously being both sexes in order to form a comparison.
>>43641226what they mean is, I've noticed women are treated better than men are, and I'm jealous. But if they articulate that, they will be bullied.
>>43640722Its not an outward hatred of a gender, Its an inward dysphoria (mental disorder).Think less about the gender, and more about "autist cursed to compulsively believe and feel they want to be something else"
>>43640722Try reading a book sometime
>>43641854Right, and transgenderism extends that curse to society at large.
Opguy picrel should marry a guy. That man is sexy
>>43641234I got bullied because I didn't know how to not articulate it.
>>43641226You're criticizing a strawman but alasHow does "not everybody thinks like you" equal to "you will NEVER know how a person might feel its IMPOSSIBLE"
>>43640722Its not an ideology, its a medical condition. They say its an ideology to make it easier and create permission structures to hate people for what is ultimately an immutable condition
>>43642304Get a pen and paper and work it out for yourself. It's an epistemological impossibility. Forming any genuine comparison requires a basis in experience, you need data points from both sides of the comparison.If a person says "I feel like a man" or "I feel like a woman" all they are saying is "I feel like myself."
>>43642359No. A feminine man is not a medical condition, it is a feminine man. The ideology part comes in when you say this gender nonconformity is an illness that needs fixing.
>>43642370We’re not feminine men, we were assigned male at birth, but had a serious immutable, and debilitating psychological condition that made it incredibly painful to look in the mirror and see a man. It is an involuntary response and condition that made us hurt at the idea that we’d be men. Thats obviously an immutable psychological disorder. I didn’t want this. I didn’t choose to have this. I wish I was different, but its out of my control.
>>43642440Tough shit dude, but you're still not a woman. You "becoming" a woman takes your problem and makes it everyone else's problem. You got some kind of BIID that the doctors aren't treating right because it lands too close to the taboo, that's all there is to it. Enough is enough, we're not doing this.
>>43640722>having a brain-body gender mismatch means i hate menjej
>>43642511>makes it everyone else's problem.how does taking hrt and getting surgeries make it anyone's problem? by going out in public and making others uncomfortable at the sight of you? is looking ugly also everyone's problem?
I mean I guess you can say I'm sexist because I think cuntboys are the best
>>43641226>"I feel like the opposite sex" must be an erroneous statement, as it requires the experience of simultaneously being both sexes in order to form a comparison.false, actually. this argument only challenges the idea that you can ever be epistemically justified in making such a statement, it doesn't even touch the question of whether such a statement could be true.it's also not a particularly good challenge, since it reduces to a claim that you can never know anything about anyone else's internal state and communication is impossible. people routinely give verbal descriptions and nonverbal expressions of how they feel, and you can compare these with your own internal state, allowing you to recognize similar internal states in others.
>>43642554Sex differences are significant, society has been structured around this reality. "Trans" is not real, so it doesn't not fit this structure.
>>43642619how does it not fit?
>>43642602No, it is an undeniable fact, actually. It is epistemologically impossible. It's a great challenge because it's impossible to deny and easy to logically explain. One could explain it to children like this, and they will.
>>43642642Sex-based spaces and institutions are undermined.
>>43642683from hrt and surgeries themselves? what's the effect of this underminization by the way, and why should this mean that we should ban a treatment option that helps certain individuals contribute back to society when they otherwise wouldn't?
>>43642721We tried that, it didn't work. We're done.
>>43642771You didn't answer, so there isn't any real effects. You're really just trying to guilt people attempting to improve their lives, because you find it unsightly what they need to do in order to do that.
>>43642803I'm busy bro, fuck.Ok, the treatment option, the treatment option is retarded. Let's find a different way of treating a mental delusion than making meat-mâché out of minors, ok?It's just so fucking stupid it's hard to imagine it's real.Just no. We're not going to keep doing this.
>>43642803Sex-based spaces need to be SEX-BASED to be effective. A lot of our sex-based policies are to give women protection or otherwise level the playing field between men and women. Letting a faggot in a dress into the women's bathroom undermines the safe-guarding intent behind making bathrooms sex-based.
>>43640722It is sexist and homophobic, plain and simple.
>>43642840>Ok, the treatment option, the treatment option is retarded. Let's find a different way of treating a mental delusion than making meat-mâché out of minors, ok?What could work better? Do you also have any reasons to believe it would? I'm sorry, I just don't think your opinion is actually based in the well being of these people>>43642861How so, do you have evidence of this? If you do, have you considered adding limitations on which trans people are allowed to enter these spaces, instead of banning it outright? We should find a good compromise between these two concerns, these people's ability to contribute to society, and the safety of women. Again, why does this mean we should ban trans medical treatment?
>>43640722If a lawyer decides to pivot into finance, she dislikes lawyering and not other lawyers.
>>43642954It isn't a medical treatment, it is malpractice, one that hurts the individual and society at large.Removing the culturally bound diagnosis of "gender dysphoria" and removing gender ideology lies from middle schools will "cure" most of these retards by preventing them from being misled in the first place.The minuscule number of those with an actual misattributed-BIID we currently call GD will receive BIID treatments or get locked in a rubber room, I don't care, there is no honor in letting a drowning man drag you under too.We can carve out a little extreme-body-modification subculture for you to be degenerates in, as an adult and as a cosmetic option only, but the medicalization pipeline has got to be shut down.
>>43642954How so. How so what? Men prey on women, it's biology. A space without men is safer for women, adding men back into that space is less safe. 1 + 1 = 2.
>>43640722>is the trans ideology not sexist?Is it sexist to want to be both?
>>43643115>The minuscule number of those with an actual misattributed-BIID we currently call GD will receive BIID treatments or get locked in a rubber room, I don't care, there is no honor in letting a drowning man drag you under too.You're not really looking for the betterment of society, then. Calling something that improves one's capability to contribute back to society malpractice is disingenuous too. Your animosity with trans people is illogical.>>436431371 != 1.5
>>43642619>"Trans" is not realyet I know myself to be trans and you can identify a trans person. sounds real to me>>43642683i don't think they are undermined if you see trans women as women
you are all arguing with the shartycucks' Gemini shitpost bot btw
>>43643201that's okay, it's fun
>>43643162Troons are not contributing to society. They are undermining society. But not for long, we are ended this lunacy.>>43643171Uh huh, you can think all kinds of things when you see falsehoods as truth.
>>43643276>Troons are not contributing to society. They are undermining society. But not for long, we are ended this lunacy.I see, you're schizophrenic
>>43642840>i literally just cannot even right nowcool argument faggot
>>43643211It is indeed fun, I've been enjoying watching this shitposter find himself biting more than he can chew and ending up with the only retort he can think off is "I think you're not useful, I will not provide evidence or accept your valid arguement because I refuse to admit I have no ground to argue on" tttt 1 shitposter 0
>>43643352Let's put murderers back on the street so they can contribute too. Never mind that we tend to keep murderers away from the general population for safety purposes, they can't contribute if they're in jail so let's let them out.If you all stayed in your lane you would've been fine, but here we are.
>>43640722>trans ideologyway to start your post, no one is gonna take you seriously going forwardwait a second I take it back I am a misandrist and your post is fl*pping based carry on
>>43643276bitch u did not just say that as if the best music isnt made by the dolls these days. stay mad asf im bumping underscores and popping my gatita sana sana colita de rana BITCHHHHHH
>>43640722i'll bite the bait too, why not>you hate a genderMost of us don't. We experience an incogruence with our assigned gender. We don't know why. That incongruence is the result of our identities chafing against our physiological and social realities.The LGB also experience chafing of their identities against those realities. Gays and lesbians aren't sexist because they fuck same sex, are they?>you are willing you treat yourself with hormones and surgeries and months of recovery to get rid of it.This is to alleviate the pain - the chafing of our identities against our different realities - not as a manifestation of hate.>How the fuck do tr*nnies align themselves with tolerant groups if this is the case?Because it isn't the case. You've made something up.We have a lot in common with gays, bis, and lesbians. Not because being trans is a sexuality, but because we break gender barriers. We experience prejudice for not fitting neatly into our assigned boxes. Trust me, most girls don't hate you for being a man. And if youre in good faith, the reason why they're getting pissy with you is because you sound like a really big transphobe rn>inb4 i'm just critical of the gender ideologyIt's not an ideology. Trans people have existed across all cultures, for all time. European colonialism crushed all trace of it in those cultures and suppressed it back home. We've been in contemporary memory for at least 100 years with Hirschfield's Institute of Sexology, where they established the standards of treating gender dysphoria, and those standards haven't changed very much at all.We can observe men and women alike living much happier, and much more fulfilling lives by being true to themselves. Just as we see in the rest of the queers.
>>43643522>Equates murderers to any problem he can't find an argument against BWAHAHAHA you're exactly the type of guy that would of been advocating for women to not be able to vote or have the same rights as men because they don't know better, give me a break you schizo LMAO
>>43643660Nah, it's over. It is a fundamental reality that we are a sexually dimorphic species, denying this reality is causing nothing but harm. Men are male and women are female, and that's the end of it. There will be no more conversion therapy 2.0.
>>43643742by this logic gays and lesbians are equallity retarded, you stupid gay whore
>>43642670>No, it is an undeniable fact, actually.i deny it. seems pretty deniable.>>43642840>It's just so fucking stupid it's hard to imagine it's real.many things you mistakenly think are stupid are nonetheless real. reality is not bound by your thoughts about what is stupid.>We're not going to keep doing this.who's "we"?
>>43640722Sexist doesn't just mean "is about gender but makes me feel uncomfortable". The "isms" are all about having and spreading misconceptions about people. Like black people steal, and jews control the world and white people can't jump.People can be trans and sexist, but it's not related to being trans.And you have the prerogative to control everything else about your appearance and mannerisms. Nobody who changes their hair to long gets criticism for hating bald people.
The trans-free world that you dream of will never exist.
>>43644920>People can be trans and sexist, but it's not related to being transIt is though. Being pro-trans(medicalist) is being pro-sexism. Trying to change your biological sex is a form of self-harm caused by the evil society's oppressive gender binary. The misconceptions that are spread are that you need a plastic vagina or a plastic penis to become closer to the social construct of a "woman" or a "man".Male, female, intersex, variance in people's body's is REAL.Man, woman, she, him, dresses, neckties, femininity, masculinity - it's all FAKE and must be DESTROYED.Transhumanists, big pharma, big tech, Nazi scientists - they caused this. They caused the normalization of self-harm.
>>43640722It’s because of demonic possession obviously. That’s the origin of all desires: demons. Trannies do not see this and give into to their “wants” and “needs” rather than focusing on meditation to free themselves from such trivial things inflicted upon us by demons.
>>43645639The trans-free world that you dream of will never exist.
>>43645741That's what you tell yourselves like you tell yourselves that you are a womanbrain stuck in a manbody by the whimsy of God. Man and woman are inventions of patriarchy and Abrahamic religions.
>>43645793The trans-free world that you dream of will never exist.
