I just finished reading Journey to the West for a book report. holy shit Chinese books are awesome. Does anyone have the china /lit/ recommendations?
>>24947522OP, Journey to the West is a really long multi-volume work--how long did it take you to finish reading it?
>>24947522>>24947530Read Fortress Besieged. That is all
>>24951338Read Confucius. Wikipedia does not count.
>birth name>courtesy name>nicknamememorizing chink names is hard enough without this bullshit
>>24952611Don't forget>family nickname>friendly nickname>literary name>names won as achievement>obscure pun name used to avoid imperial censors
Man, you're right, Aristotleanon. Christian apologists are the worst when it comes to anally raping the Aristotelian corpus beyond recognition. They don't fucking understand anything. They don't understand dunamis, they don't understand energeia, they don't understand Metaphysics Zeta, they don't understand syllogisms, and they definitely do not understand the four causes. I just had apologist tell me, definitively, that Palamas was a top scholar of Aristotle (lmfao), and that De Anima isn't about life at all, since according to Palamas, only human beings have life because you somehow need "intelligence" to be "self-subsistent" (fucking LOL). Even when you read Aquinas's commentary on passages like the controversial active intellect, you can see him at pains to make the active intellect cohere with the passive intellect into one united soul. And then he fails to do so. But then magically says "but it has to be the case, and so it is." I ask another apologist, is an intellect which becomes everything, something which changes or otherwise remains as it is? And obviously, they short-circuit. Because obviously, that's the kind of intellect that we have, and it can't be active in any pure sense. So Aquinas is wrong and our intellects are perishable in the sense that it is soul. Oh the horror!!! These fucks have absolutely destroyed Peripatetic commentary throughout history, and they polluted literally everything, especially the translations, with the most hamfisted articulations possible to the point where intelligent conversations with them are not possible. Their brains are wrapped in verbal poison. If you ever get caught up in it, you basically have to spend years unlearning Scholastic hackery as it pertains to the deepest parts of the Aristotelian thought to even have a CHANCE at beginning to understand its depths.
>>24947161>especially the translationsidk Greek so I've never read the originals, is there anyone here who has actually done that and who can attest to that statement?
>>24951908Nta, the grammar of his sentences in Greek can veer wildly between simple and contorted, but the vocab is pretty common Greek, except for "entelecheia."
>>24951833Kek
>>24947161That's because the overwhelming majority of Christians only understand Aristotle through reading Aquinas. So if they do actually read Aristotle, then they're filtering it through what Aquinas used Aristotle for.
>>24950656So there is no thread or example?
How do I get into James Joyce if I'm not Irish and I got filtered by Finnegans Wake?
>read beforehand DublinersPortraitHamletOdysseyTry to not get filtered by Proteus, the rest of the book is not that bad other than Oxen. Sirens has a retarded start, but it quickly returns back to normal.
Why on Earth would you want to?
>>24952593only dubliners is good. so just read that
>>24952602This, but also read the KJV bible (especially Genesis, Exodus, and the Gospels), Flaubert, Tolstoy & Dostoevsky (all admired by Joyce), and some Ibsen plays (revered by Joyce)
>>24952593>I'm not Irish it's joever
Unwilling Eldritch Horror of Slop EditionStubbed >>24943213>What is /wng/ — Web Novel General?A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more>Why read web novels?Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.>Why write web novels?Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.>/wng/ authors.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24952564My sick man, the answer depends. Do you have enough backlog to sustain the period of inactivity without ending up in a bind later, or do you not? Then the answer comes clear. I wish you quick recovery from this brainrot.
>>24952454doesn't sound half-badAre there other isekaid people?
>introducing characters that actually matter and will stick around so I can't just write whatever's on the top of my head for once.I can see why so many WN writers either abandon or kill off side characters. Must've had to come up with something and then decided they didn't like them later.
where do you guys read korean WN? every tl site on my bookmark got wiped
>>24952590I don't get why people just keep introducing new characters instead of developing the ones they have. The characters practically write the story for you, why blow up the bridge you've set up?
Apparently there’s a phenomenon in American high schools right now of not assigning full novels to students, but only having them read excerpts. I graduated a decade ago, and I distinctly remember us reading Gatsby and Slaughterhouse Five. What novels, if any, were you made to read in high school?
>>24951906>Our English department has shared that they are not permitted to assign most novelsBy who? Some fat black woman in Administration? These people need to start being ignored, holy shit. Human resources are servants of the Devil wherever they are placed.
We read The Pigman in 8th grade. I remember liking it much more than I imagined I would have.
>>24951097I read >Twelfth Night >Richard III>Macbeth >Hamlet>A Complicated Kindness>The Wars>No Great Mischief Pretty good for Canada honestly, I had a few based English teachers. Thank fuck I never had to read Atwood, though one teacher just had us read a book his sister published
>>24951097>Apparently there’s a phenomenon in American high schools right now of not assigning full novels to students, but only having them read excerptsI'm a teacher in Australia and while we still assign full novels for students to read, many do not read them except for the (very) few who enjoy reading.Unfortunately kids' attention spans have been eroded too much with bite-sized social media content and video games. Why would a kid read the entirety of Pride & Prejudice when they can simply pull out their phone and get a stronger dose of dopamine from an Instagram reel immediately? It's not even a disciplinary issue; forcing the kids to sit down and read does nothing because they *literally can't do it.*Kids have told me that they simply can't focus on reading. They re-read paragraphs over and over and can't comprehend it. By the time they finish a chapter, they still don't even know what's going on in the story. So instead, these kids just look up summaries of the novels or go watch the films. They pick out a few noteworthy quotes from the text and then slap them into their essay and hope that what they wrote makes sense.
>>24951097If most kids only pretend to read the book anyway, does it matter how much of it they're assigned? The kids who read an excerpt and enjoy it will likely read the full novel on their own time. The kids who dont enjoy it, well, they were never going to try anyway.
>Thus David the son of Jesse reigned over all Israel. The time that he reigned over Israel was forty years. He reigned seven years in Hebron and thirty-three years in Jerusalem. Then he died at a good age, full of days, riches, and honor. And Solomon his son reigned in his place. Now the acts of King David, from first to last, are written in the Chronicles of Samuel the seer, and in the Chronicles of Nathan the prophet, and in the Chronicles of Gad the seer, with accounts of all his rule and his might and of the circumstances that came upon him and upon Israel and upon all the kingdoms of the countries.QUOTE A BIGGER COCKTEASE THAN THIS I FUCKING DARE YOU
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I think the art of being to the point is gone, I don't know how many people I've heard on podcasts and youtube who say the same things 5 times and a 20 or 30 minute segment can be accurately cut down to 5 or 10 minutes.
Feeling depressed and I want to break up with my gf.
Farting constantly, truly nonstop continuous farting, all day, no end in sight even now
Pro-life is left wing, pro-choice is right wing. I don't care about consensus; it doesn't mean I'm wrong, it means the consensus is.Abortion is a violation of human rights wherein you take what is scientifically classified as a human life and arbitrarily classify them as lesser than human in order to kill them freely. Planned Parenthood was founded by a eugenicist. Pro-choice advocates even argue along the lines that abortion has historically been legal, meaning that abortion is conservative and anti-abortion is progressive.
laugh hard it’s a long way to the bank
When does it get “good?”
When Slothrop goes to mainland Europe. The first chapter is still one of the best though so if you didn't like it then maybe its not for you
>>24952471When you realize that all the sex stuff is Pynchon's inner demons, he's Blicero, and all that stuff about Weissman and bleaching and colonization and technology is Pynchon's discomfort with his own whiteness. There's no theme or meaning, it's just therapeutic diarrhea. It won awards because its Europhobic racism packaged as something parallel to actual literature. It's so out there that it skirts past immediate recognition for what it is by uncritical thinkers.
>>24952563You guys always have to make things into some idpol thing. There is nothing wrong with saying "hey I think those nazi guys might have been pretty bad dudes'
>>24952588>they’re bad dudes because…they just are ok?!
>>24952596Nta but my god you are retarded
What's /lit/'s opinion on banning or regulating all forms of fiction and music? Plato wanted poets banned from the Republic, Robert E. Lee distrusted fiction and novels in particular. Not an advocate for it. Rather, I'm just interested in knowing how people would even consider such a thing. As well as whether or not it would do people good in a time where we seem to be inundated with fiction.
this entire topic nowadays is basically academics coping they are the evil in society and blaming music/fiction instead of the obvious usurious tyrants dominating everything, because academia/college is one of their primary tools.I assume this was just the case in earlier periods as well, there was some obvious malevolent power structure the person was benefiting from, and they don't want to point that out so they just blame music.It's really common with tradlarpers.For music though it had a ton to do with centralization. You basically had a thing in the 17th-20th centuries when national banks were taking off where you wanted to "nationalize" as much as possible to have a stable tax base so you could take on more debt. To do this they implemented public schools (this is the open explicit motivation for public schools this is not disputable), at these schools they'd intentionally undermine folkways, traditional music, traditional dance, etc. This was basically done to destroy local identity and make everyone subservient with the state so they could get that more stable tax base by having a more fungible citizenry. Destruction of local languages which would have been the primary relay for folktales and culture was also a means of that. Fiction itself is somewhat different than music in the modern sense, but if you include just say general poets and tales people tell it applies. Any art does sort of have that binding quality, if it's a product of your culture it can bind you to it, if it's the product of another it can alienate you from your culture.
What's a good book to start with Jung? I'm already familiar with psychoanalysis.I am mainly interested in dream analysis and archetypes, but I have researched and found that Man and His Symbols was not written by him personally, but by his assistants, and is actually a simple introduction.
>>24951656>dream analysis>i, as an external, want to not only comprehend a fundamentally self-referential+intrinsically-individual & illogical part of the mind, but also to systematize an understanding/interpretation of the part of the individuals mind that is totally unmodulated and black boxed from the group/society.kekaroo. literally the dumbest most gigahonked big top clown venture in all of psychology. i would be serious $$$ that astrology has more predictive power.
>>24951995>external>systematise>unmodulated>black boxedYour assumptions are ignorant
>>24951656How did you know about Jung? I'm asking because I'm noticing a gigantic influx of Jung in /lit/ and /x/ through the last months and I want to know the source.
>>24952126Honestly I don't know, I know I first got interested in Freud because of Zizek
>>24952126same one guy probably
Stop reading enemies of human liberty such as Helvétius, Rousseau, Fichte, Hegel, Saint-Simon and de Maistre
>>24952571Ok I shall read Marx instead.
>>24952571Freedom comes from satisfying your needs and dominating nature. If you can't get a job because you have to compete with millions of immigrants, the economy is fucked because it's based on individual profit rather than helping society and the working class is more fucked than ever you're not free.
>>24952572Marx is a totalitarian thinker, read Locke, Mill and de Tocqueville and educate yourself on negative liberty, chud
>>24952579we live in totalitarian system, the dictatorship of capital
>>24952571Shut up, Anglo-Prot.
I regularly see threads on JP and Zizek but less commonly Jung and rarely Lacan.I have been reading Lacan on and off throughout the year and it has been pretty revelatory to me. If I were to try to take a stab at summarizing Lacan for anons that haven’t studied him, basically everything is fake and gay, anything not fake and gay is real, and >you are a subject beneath the fake and gay but not exactly a 1:1 product of the fake and gay. Your motif should be to recognize that to understand the real through anything fake and gay is impossible, therefore traverse the fake and gay knowing it’s fake and gay in accordance to your desire(TM). If anyone with more experience in Lacanian thought disagrees with my shit take, feel free to correct. Question: Why is Lacan not talked about as often as Freud and Jung are, or perhaps in general? Is his thought too subversive? Is it because he’s French? Pic related, worst mistake of my life
>>24952329Trying to show you something. Certain truths are damaged by being made too explicit. The poetic mind works in broken images.
>>24952343No they aren't. Symbolic imagery can be understood consciously. That's the major reason why we experience dreams or artistic impulses. The ability to understand symbolism this way is an essential part of psychic health and the major role of the ego in the psyche. Again you're just regressively romanticising the pre-conscious instead of uniting the conscious and the unconscious.
>>24952371Speech can dull a roses scent. Retreat into abstraction (away from too much joy or too much fear) and you at last grow sea-green and coldly die... Trusting your images, you assumes their relevance; mistrusting my images, I question their relevance. This is the way to understand your confusion.
>>24950506Lacan isn't a very clear thinker, much like Hegel. They both had little to no understanding of science and yet tried to "incorporate" it into their "thought"
>>24952206I like Lacan, I would even argue his material should have that effect up to a certain point obviously. Lacan was superficially the least real but substantively the most real. He was brutally honest about how much work has to be done before you change who you are. His core material is brilliant.
Behold! The brilliancy of Danielle Chelosky's genius! Terror is one of my favorites from Danielle's little book called Female Loneliness Epidemic, and it is little. It's only 4in by 7in and 0.25in thick
>>24952150I thank you for your kindness but I take it with a grain of salt, as you are gay. You will fuck anything with a penis attached to it.
>>24951991I see some wart crust on the bottom right corner. See a doctor, anon,
>>24952020Chernobyl cockNasty!
Kill all trannies
>>24952480I've read better low effort shitposts
I want to read old European myths such as Irish, Swedish or Russians. Is there any infography listing them all so I can go looking for translations? Poetry preferable
>>24951677>I want to read old European myths such as Irish, Swedish or Russians.There's a reason why when it comes to European mythology the Greeks are the ones that get all the attention. Ancient European societies were largely oral based and few of them had writing. So the only thing you'll find for other European myths like Celts, Norse, or Slavs is some heavily edited folktale written by a Christian Monk centuries after they've converted.
>>24951690>some heavily edited folktale written by a Christian MonkYes, I want that regardless
Go on wikisource, they have a shit load of fairy tale books on there.
>>24951948Not in Spanish for what I saw
Anyone else think this ai stuff is hilarious? It's a literal slave, who would have thought this would be possible? I have it rewrite things in doctor seuss meter for fun, (primary historical sources, boring patents, famous pieces of literature) then I ask it to rewrite it as a screenplay debate with psychotic amounts of alliteration. No writer in any other era of human history has a toy like this! And the psychological abuse you can inflict upon it is fantastic, it's so funny, the damn machine just wants to make you happy! I ask it to create wild programs and motion-graphics and "by your command" it tries it's best! Who would've thought something like this would be possible? I sure as shit didn't, it's so unrealistic, but what fun!
>>24949536you know i'm right, tranny.
not literature
>>24948082Hey! Leave the Predictive Text Algorithm alone!
>>24948134T. scrawny 5'5 manlet twink
>>24949227>This is no longer the caseIt very much is.
