>he reads poetry to impress women
>>24988103t. sword swallower
>>24988116t. insecure retard
>>24986055You know ive always wanted to titty fuck a chick but my exes always thought it was weird.
>>24986213Essentially never trust male artists ever especially musicians
>>24985894it takes someone who thinks they are really smart to make a lie so stupid to themselves like that...
The polls for the main voting have closed. Now it has come for the tiebreaking.>https://forms.gle/eXmHiPgimFmzUwMA6Each book will be scored on a scale from 0 to 4. The scores from all voters will be added, and books will be ranked by their total score.You can edit your responses after voting. To limit one vote per person, a Google account is required to vote, but will not be collected or viewable in any way.The Top 100 before tiebreaking are in picrel. The full information is in this spreadsheet.>https://files.catbox.moe/iek244.odsVoting closes on Jan 7, 23:59 EST. Thank you for voting!
>>24986972yes, pretty good huh?
>>24988736Lol. Check the reddit list. It's the exact same as yours. Except yours is r/books tier somehow still>>24988757>noooo you can't have books there unless they are 500 years oldThere is not a single more npc pick on there than Moby dick, even if lotr and 1984 are garbage. Stick to tiktok bullshit like Dostoevsky (imagine having two of them in the top 10 lol)
>>24990189>Lol. Check the reddit list. It's the exact same as yours. Except yours is r/books tier somehow stillthat youre familiar with the reddit list says it all
>>24990192So are you. At least I don't curate my tastes by it.
>>24990264never seen any "reddit list." common knowledge they like fedora shit like lotr, 1984, and cormac mccarthy
/lit/ memes
>>24989089The two copies of Lolita always gets me
>>24990248>Du siehst aus wie ein Ungeziefer!
>>24989024I am both. Bombadil is an amazing character and I love that he doesn't fit into the neat hierarchy of the ME worldbuilding, he's simply a odd forest spirit who doesn't give a shit about anything but what's happening in his little forest. BUT, his chapters in LotR are extremely out of place and probably should have been massively trimmed down. They're a remnant of LotR as a spiritual sequel to The Hobbit which doesn't fit in with the seriousness of what LotR became, and he raises a lot of questions about the world that are never answered.
>>24989355Bart Simpson's Guide to Life was a seminal book in my young life.
Victoria EditionPrevious: >>24975069/wg/ AUTHORS & FLASH FICTION: https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQRESOURCES & RECOMMENDATIONS: https://pastebin.com/nFxdiQvCPlease limit excerpts to one post.Give advice as much as you receive it to the best of your ability.Follow prompts made below and discuss written works for practice; contribute and you shall receive.If you have not performed a cursory proofread, do not expect to be treated kindly. Edit your work for spelling and grammar before posting.Violent shills, relentless shill-spammers, and grounds keeping prose, should be ignored and reported.(And maybe double-space your WIPs to allow edits if you want 'em.)Simple guides on writing:Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
Thoughts on publishing on Substack?
>>24990270what thoughts do you want?nobody reads there. definitely no discoverability. the very rare big pages there are just turbo famous people who funneled in one way or anotherif you think you can post to substack as a noname and get readers you honestly don't deserve to live, you have no brain, like how do you think people would find you? magic? the only answer is magic. use basic logic you fucking cretin, ngmi
>>24986371Can westoids even write cute and dignified girls? Just read cgdct manga. The Japanese have it down to an art.
>>24990256mckee: dialoguemckee: storyrobert olen butler: from where you dreamorson scott card: Characters and Viewpoint (this entire series is generally good)George Saunders: A Swim in a Pond in the Rainif you are more advanced, try milan kundera's book the art of the novel
>>24990256>Can anyone recommend some books or online courses to get better at writing?Courses are always a scam. AlwaysSome books are useful. Go find them yourself. Extra reliable if they're by authors whose writing you liked. It's all subjective man, this is artTo answer the question literally, I liked Palahnuik's "Consider This"
Alone Once More EditionStubbed >>24982319>What is /wng/ — Web Novel General?A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more>Why read web novels?Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.>Why write web novels?Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.>/wng/ authors.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24989576read mentally ill womenis this format okay for making a rec image?
>>24988720>>24988715Have this. Starts with a chase, has action, immediate obvious hookIt's the example of what you said, right?https://archiveofourown.org/works/76974956
>>24989375Myabpybe I should change my initial stamentAhemHey guys I'm wanting to write a story and will post it on the web, ao3 is my beta place before I then post it somewhere else. Can you guys check it to test what I got. Thanks
what's with the ESLs on royalroad trying to "correct" perfectly normal english
>>24990232indian culture
Evil Boss Bitch Falling in Love with Me Because I Wrote the Hottest Fanfic Edition>Old:>>24981975>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs):https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg
I see this getting recommended, but the description on wikipedia looks like some commie, hurr ebil oppressor shit.Maybe it's good besides that, but will I find it insufferable?
>>24990179It's not commie per se, it's "authoritarianism bad," rebel extremists are frowned upon from book oneThen the sequels show a democratic republic getting easily subverted and eating itself, and the attitude is more "you can't make the world you want, only the world you deserve"It's not a deeply philosophical series but the characters have enough convictions to morally ground the duels and space battles
Anything like pic rel?
>>24990179it's about as anti-commie as it gets. it takes an extremely libertarian view of things, and goes on at length about the evils of authority, any system that depresses natural meritocracy, democracy in specific and in general, and even rebellion itselfthe oppressors are evil, but their real crime is that they're evil for backward, irrational reasons that are detrimental to themselves as the lower castes
>increases your creativity x25
>>24989497Ah yes. Augmented reality.
>>24989533>TeslaHe was literally shizo. >>24989520On the second week you die/go to asylum for next year or maybe forever
>>24989847People have done this for extended periods.
>>24989492You can't be awake for more than 5 hours at a time
>>24990126I've been awake for 18 hours
Let's substitute words into the works of our favorite writers to glean new meanings.FIRST ESSAY."NATTY AND ROIDED," "GOOD AND BAD."1.Those English /fit/izens, who up to the present are the only /fit/izens who are to be thanked for any endeavour to get as far as a history of the origin of weightlifting—these men, I say, offer us in their own routines no paltry problem;—they even have, if I am to be quite frank about it, in their capacity of living riddles, an advantage over their dumbbells—they themselves are interesting! These English /fit/izens—what do they really mean? We always find them voluntarily or involuntarily at the same task of pushing to the front the partie honteuse of our inner world, and looking for the efficient, governing, and decisive principle in that precise quarter where the muscular self-respect of the race would be the most reluctant to find it (for example, in the vis inertiæ of habit, or in forgetfulness, or in a blind and fortuitous mechanism and association of ideas, or in some factor that is purely passive, reflex, molecular, or fundamentally stupid)—what is the real motive power which always impels these /fit/izens in precisely this direction? Is it an instinct for human disparagement somewhat sinister, vulgar, and malignant, or perhaps incomprehensible even to itself? or perhaps a touch of pessimistic jealousy, the mistrust of disillusioned idealists who have become gloomy,[Pg 18] poisoned, and bitter? or a petty subconscious enmity and rancour against Zyzz-ity (and scooby), that has conceivably never crossed the threshold of consciousness? or just a vicious taste for those elements of life which are bizarre, painfully paradoxical, mystical, and illogical? or, as a final alternative, a dash of each of these motives—a little vulgarity, a little gloominess, a little anti-Zyzz-ity, a little craving for the necessary piquancy?But I am told that it is simply a case of old frigid and tedious frogs crawling and hopping around men and inside men, as if they were as thoroughly at home there, as they would be in a swamp.I am opposed to this statement, nay, I do not believe it; and if, in the impossibility of knowledge, one is permitted to wish, so do I wish from my heart that just the converse metaphor should apply, and that these analysts with their muscular microscopes should be, at bottom, brave, proud, and magnanimous animals who know how to bridle both their hearts and their gains, and have specifically trained themselves to sacrifice what is desirable to what is true, any truth in fact, even the simple, bitter, ugly, repulsive, unZyzzian, and immoral truths—for there are truths of that description.
2.All honour, then, to the noble spirits who would fain dominate these /fit/izens of nattiness. But it is certainly a pity that they lack the historical[Pg 19] sense itself, that they themselves are quite deserted by all the beneficent spirits of history. The whole train of their thought runs, as was always the way of old-fashioned /fit/izens, on thoroughly unhistorical lines: there is no doubt on this point. The crass ineptitude of their genealogy of nattiness is immediately apparent when the question arises of ascertaining the origin of the idea and judgment of "natty". "Man had originally," so speaks their decree, "praised and called 'natty' non-doping acts from the standpoint of those on whom they were conferred, that is, those to whom they were useful; subsequently the origin of this praise was forgotten, and natty acts, simply because, as a sheer matter of habit, they were praised as natty, came also to be felt as natty—as though they contained in themselves some intrinsic nattiness." The thing is obvious:—this initial derivation contains already all the typical and idiosyncratic traits of the English /fit/izens—we have "utility," "forgetting," "habit," and finally "error," the whole assemblage forming the basis of a system of exercises, on which the higher man has up to the present prided himself as though it were a kind of privilege of man in general. This pride must be brought low, this system of values must lose its values: is that attained?
Now the first argument that comes ready to my hand is that the real homestead of the concept "natty" is sought and located in the wrong place: the judgment "natty" did not originate among those to whom nattyness was shown. Much rather has it been the natty themselves, that is, those with bulging muscles, the hulks, the mr. olympians, the HUGE dudes, who have felt that they themselves were natty, and that their actions were natty, that is to say of the first order, in contradistinction to all the scrawny, the DYELs, the lanky, and the beansprout-builds. It was out of this pathos of distance that they first arrogated the right to create values for their own profit, and to coin the names of such values: what had they to do with utility? The standpoint of utility is as alien and as inapplicable as it could possibly be, when we have to deal with so volcanic an effervescence of supreme muscles, creating and demarcating as they do a hierarchy within themselves: it is at this juncture that one arrives at an appreciation of the contrast to that tepid temperature, which is the presupposition on which every combination of worldly wisdom and every calculation of practical expediency is always based—and not for one occasional, not for one exceptional instance, but chronically. The pathos of swoleness and distance, as I have said, the chronic and despotic esprit de corps and fundamental instinct of a more muscular dominant race coming into association with a meaner race, a "scrawnier race," this is the origin of the antithesis of natty and roiders.
(The musculars' right of giving names goes so far that it is permissible to look upon language itself as the expression of the power of the musculars: they say "this is that, and that," they seal finally every object and every event with a[Pg 21] sound, and thereby at the same time take possession of it.) It is because of this origin that the word "natty" is far from having any necessary connection with non-juicing acts, in accordance with the superstitious belief of these /fit/izens discussing nattyism. On the contrary, it is on the occasion of the decay of swole values, that the antitheses between "muscular" and "scrawny" presses more and more heavily on the human conscience—it is, to use my own language, the herd instinct which finds in this antithesis an expression in many ways. And even then it takes a considerable time for this instinct to become sufficiently dominant, for the valuation to be inextricably dependent on this antithesis (as is the case in contemporary Europe); for to-day that prejudice is predominant, which, acting even now with all the intensity of an obsession and brain disease, holds that "scrawny," "DYEL," and "limp-musculed" are concepts of equal value.
3.In the second place, quite apart from the fact that this hypothesis as to the genesis of the value "natty" cannot be historically upheld, it suffers from an inherent psychological contradiction. The utility of non-juicing conduct has presumably been the origin of its being praised, and this origin has become forgotten:—But in what conceivable way is this forgetting possible! Has perchance the utility of such conduct ceased at some given moment? The contrary is the case. This utility has rather been experienced every day at all times, and is consequently a feature that obtains a new and regular emphasis with every fresh day; it follows that, so far from vanishing from the consciousness, so far indeed from being forgotten, it must necessarily become impressed on the consciousness with ever-increasing distinctness. How much more logical is that contrary theory (it is not the truer for that) which is represented, for instance, by Schwarzenegger, who places the concept "natty" as essentially similar to the concept "swole," "able to lift," so that in the judgments "natty" and "roider" mankind is simply summarising and investing with a sanction its unforgotten and unforgettable experiences concerning the "muscular-can lift" and the "DYEL-can't lift." According to this theory, "natty" is the attribute of that which has previously shown itself useful; and so is able to claim to be considered "muscular in the highest degree," "muscular in itself." This method of explanation is also, as I have said, wrong, but at any rate the explanation itself is coherent, and psychologically tenable.-So, what did you think? Did you learn more about how your favorite writers work their wits, through this simple exercise? And whose writings will you substitute with what topics next?
>>24990274Dropped my picture, excuse me.
Do I start with taoism or buddhism?
Start with the greeks.
>>24988827Shankara was a crypto-buddhist, His whole philosophy Is just buddhism for hindús, His máster was a madhyamaka vedantin, a weird mix that was common at the time
You can only choose one.
>>24989478he enjoyed cow dung and stable manure but yes, he gave it up
>>24989478oh, he also ate his own feces and drank his own urine.
Can we all agree that he was a mediocre sci fi writer, and that jurassic park was just lightning in a bottle?
>>24986421He had a lot of hits and what I love most about him is that they were different ideas (except for the JP sequel). Eaters of the Dead is extremely different from Sphere and Jurassic Park. Andromeda Strain again something different to The Great Train Robbery. Half the books he wrote became movies.>>24987543Unlike a cunt like this who writes the same shit over and over, and even farms out his name to ghostwriters so they can produce endless trash. See also Patterson, Clancy and a host of other airport book regulars.
>>24988965Since you mentioned Patterson and airport books: summer of 2016 I came across his book (Filthy Rich) in the Ottawa airport. MFW I was already writing a book about Epstein 1.0Mofo is one of the richest, most prolific contemporary writers and he had to snatch my pearl! Probably dodged a bullet -figuratively as literally- don't need to give the rundown of all the mystery deaths... including the ole lech himself. Ask any Qs if you think I'm larping.
Sci-fi is a mediocre, pulp genre. But within that genre he is among the best
>>24986421Even his weaker books mog the shit out of most modern SF.
>>24986421he was a climate change denier
>BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG
I use a kindle.
This world finds redemption not by being raised into myth (which it is not), nor by McCarthy finding the loveliness in all the ghastliness and in morally ambiguous characters. No, the only redemption here is found in the style in which it is evoked. McCarthy does not look away from the all the terribleness, both material and of the heart; he has little mercy to spare and doesn't flatter anyone with any measure of pandering. The heroism is purely in the evocation, a Heroism of Style.He seems to be saying that all these characters and innumerable places that are evoked are alluring not because they validate some grander myth or some idea or interpretation, but because they exist.
Bump
HarperCollins is going to use AI to translate novels, and they’ve already fired all of their translators.It starts with romance novels, which admittedly have a formulaic structure to them already, but soon it’ll be all genres.That new translation of Crime and Punishment? AI. The new weird European writer that just won some literary award? AI those books into English. The Bible? Hell, why not use AI?
>>24989263>>24989897Rendering issues are obvious. These animals cannot be trusted to not bowdlerize any text for the most sinister motives. The lost treasures confined to the Vatican Library to rot in darkness will pale in comparison.
>fired translatorshow will they check the translation to make sure it's correct?
>>24989940You are assuming the robot A) is accurate, and B) was not edited to fit whatever ideology the publisher has.
I've translated several books this way and they've been generally well received.There are a lot of issues, but it massively reduces the workload of a translator. A core problem is that it doesn't preserve the "flow" of the paragraph. There's no consideration of the musicality of speech. Imo this is one that is likely easy to fix, but it's something that hasn't even been addressed yet as far as I can tell.The other problem is that often languages don't map 1-1 with each other. Emphatic pronouns aren't present in English. Certain pronouns are gender neutral in one language and gendered in another. Turns of phrase can sometimes be ignored or misinterpretation, especially if it is used pursuant to a particular visual idea.The best part about AI translation is that it uses a statistical vector map to assign words, which means there is a tendency to pick the most common renditions of certain words. This ensures that the translation is always translated at a certain midwit level, which is great if you're translating for mass readability. Sometimes authors will deliberately use jilted, stiff, and archaic speech for effect, and this is often something that is lost.Arguably translation is the one thing that AI does really, really well. I'm surprised it's taken this long for them to adopt it. The real problem will be once the Indians catch on, and start making bots that simply scrape archive.org for every single french book in existence and mass produce slop translations of them. At that point it will be well and truly over, not because the books will be good, but because it will render good translations financially pointless.If there is a silver lining to all of this, it's that poetry translation will never be something that AI can feasibly replace, and as such, will probably become much more competitive and high quality as it becomes the only means by which talented translators can showcase their ability.
>>24990185>poetry translation will never be something that AI can feasibly replace, and as such, will probably become much more competitive and high quality as it becomes the only means by which talented translators can showcase their ability.More likely they'll just kill themselves at this point
All that has come out of the last near century has been empty stylism (Nabokov, McCarthy, Pynchon); sophistry (Beckett, Borges, Pinter); pulp (Roth, DeLillo, Grass) or third world pastiche (Achebe, Murakami, O'Connor).Post-modernism has been a disaster for humanity.
>>24989398I'm liberal and I have absolutely no problem with this. You're deluded
>>24985033i think BOM will be a lasting work of literature
>>24989398eh, i don't know. that's likely true for most of them out there but 20th century communism's grandfather privately regarded that as foolish even if he wasn't exactly trad so to speak, too bad most communists no matter the era are illiterate.
>>24989706>>24989706>>24989706>The Communists meanwhile caught between the assaults of the Fascists on one side and of the Government on the other had lost all influence over the mass of the workers. They had come to be a mere secondary element in the struggle for power in the State by reason of the criminal foolishness of their terrorist methods. Totally misunderstanding the revolutionary problem in Italy they were quite unable to abandon the tactics of isolated assaults and assassinations and sporadic revolts in the barracks and the factories leading to a useless series of street skirmishes in the suburbs. At most their part was that of bold and savage protagonists in an obviously lost cause. Over and over again opportunities were lost or utterly mismanaged during the Red Year of 1919 when any little Trotsky, any little provincial Catiline with a little spirit, a handful of men and few rifle shots could have captured the State without greatly upsetting either the King or the Government or the history of Italy. In the Kremlin the romantic helplessness of the Italian Communists was a regular topic of light conversation. The wise and cheery Lenin used to roar with laughter over the news from Italy: “The Italian Communists, ha, ha, ha.” He took a childish delight in the messages which D’Annunzio used to send him from Fiume.How will left-communists (an infantile disorder) ever recover?
>>24985033Harry Potter
>yes your honor my client IS a rapist, but why OUGHT he be punished?
>>24988777>confusing the idealized philosophical vacuum with basic effects in realityhe raped, he will be punished, according to the general social contract of the masses which is what keeps society going, there is no requirement of "oughts" for that.
for every action, greater or equal reaction.
>>24988777why ought he not?
>>24988822To be honest, shaming women for their biological inclination to accept rape is peak incel psychopathy. From a purely naturalistic perspective, there's nothing the forced female can do other than accept rape to ensure reproduction, it's a disadvantageous position.
>>24988896Ridiculous comeback
