What does /lit/ think of Hawthorne? Most Americans have either never heard of him or hate him because they were assigned 'The Scarlet Letter' in high school and Amerikkka is an insane asylum, and its public schools are like a suicide ward. But Poe said that "we look upon [Hawthorne] as one of the few men of indisputable genius to whom our country has as yet given birth." And America's second greatest writer, Melville, was deeply respectful of Hawthorne. What does /lit/ say? Is he a great writer, or just great for an American?
>>24954270What I mean is that religious writers like Hawthorne and Milton can’t help but impose their black-and-white good vs. evil moral frameworks on their stories, so that everything winds up cleanly separated into good guys and bad guys and the story always resolves with some kind of edifying religious moral. I prefer godless writers like Shakespeare who present us with complicated and contradictory people struggling in an indifferent universe. To me that’s more interesting and more real. His characters have more depth and don’t feel so much like symbols designed to teach us something. >>24954289Hester isn’t presented as a woman of ‘pure angelic dignity,’ nor is Dimmesdale presented as a wicked corruptive abuser. You should read books before you talk about them, and you should seek therapy to reconcile your hatred for women which presumably stems from their not wanting to touch you
People should read The Blithedale Romance.
>>24954121house of seven gables is perfect. fiction doesn't get better than that.
>>24954121>Melville, was deeply respectful of Hawthorne.That's certainly one way to put it
>>24954318I think you’re correct that Hawthorne’s biggest weakness is the allegorical mode he writes in, which has some inherent limitations, but I would suggest that he writes the good form of allegory where it’s more ironic and ambivalent and intellectually sophisticated rather than straightforward moral didacticism (for example, Young Goodman Brown strikes me as less a dull lesson on “good vs evil” and more an exploration of some of the contradictions of believing in The Elect). I think some of his fables also feel shockingly modern, go read something like Wakefield and tell me it doesn’t feel like Kafka-before-Kafka (if you don’t like Kafka though obviously this might not mean much).
Nominate science fiction and fantasy books for this brand new top 100. Only 10 nominations per voter, so choose wisely. Nominations will close on Friday, and voting will begin.For Series: Use your best judgement on whether to nominate an individual work or the series itself.https://forms.gle/prDdNXyrgtXnTVeD7FAQs>What qualifies as science fiction? / What qualifies as fantasy?>Why did the poll dictator disqualify my nomination?>Why no no horror?>What format will voting take?
Would the mf listing the Lord of the Rings trilogy as three separate entries please stop?
>>24953394Post your nominations
>>24954093Sirens of Titan has got to be one of the most extremely shit books I have ever read. Dull prose, boring, predictable plot, not really very funny either. Sorry.
Why has nobody nominated Malazan it’s literally the greatest series of all time.
I can't wait until we have 100 arbitrary books, almost all of which are the random faves of a single anon, due to lack of voting. 100 is far too many.
I'm looking for clever illustrations of what a leftist utopia/dystopia could look like, with special attention to the rough edges. It would probably be scifi.I'm not asking for chudslop written by poltards and their likes, nor a time-wasting apologetic wet dream, but rather a sincere exploration of the good and bad sides.For example, "The Compass Rose" by Le Guin showed interesting ideas about what an anarchist society could look like, sad things included.
>>24954396i think that's a weird tradition that completely ignores the french and russian revolutions.
>>24954396Blah. Dropping words and letter because I'm tired
>>24954398>russianBakunin and Kropotkin
>>24954355>sacrificed material quality of lifeYeah, but not willingly lol
>>24953620I'll buy it and post it in the stack thread <3To every post giving authors or titles : Cheers bruvs, much appreciated (can't >> you, the site thinks I'm spamming)>>24954179This list looks pretty good.>>24954240They are, but they are one each, they are real, and there are plenty of things written about them.A fictional society where the people in charge are actually selected on their altruism or their dislike of domination, and where as a result some things go well and others go to shit, was more along the lines of what I was looking for.
When does it get “good?”
>>24952646He's not saying "white people bad" you are just trying to make yourself a victim
whats this book about? worth reading?
>>24954046Yes and yes
>>24953938>Weissman doesn't mean whiteman>Blicero meaning bleached isn't a reference to whiteness>Rockets have nothing to do with Cold War ethnicities>SS uniform has nothing to do with Nazis>South African whites being villainized has nothing to do with Europhobic racismMaybe you're a good troll because you got me to respond, but that's quite ridiculous.
I've just read pages 132-133 and I've gotta say: When it clicks, it clicks. *emphasis your own
Kill The Slopper EditionStubbed >>24949498>What is /wng/ — Web Novel General?A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more>Why read web novels?Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.>Why write web novels?Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.>/wng/ authors.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24954601My webnovel idea. I'm currently building a backlog so I can release one or two chapters per week until I die... drowned in a sea of Patreon bucks, hopefully. Please tell me what you think of this simplified summary:>American gets isekai'd to medieval fantasy world>he swears to transform this backwards, primitive world into the perfect America the Founding Fathers had in mind when they signed the Declaration of Independence with his modern knowledge and newfound, ever-increasing magic powers>people across the land love him as he liberates them from their abusive feudal lords and kings>this love turns into hatred as he and his army impose conscription amongst the "liberated" peoples of his emerging nation as he struggles to take on one of the few warlords in the world who isnt a weak pushover>he eventually wins and keeps on conquering and annexing nations, but tensions, conspiracy, betrayal, and rebellion only increase as his power grows and he gets more and more paranoid and insane>Women, their beauty, seduction, passion, support, and betrayal are a big part of the story. MC is handsome, well-educated, artistic, seductive and falls in love relatively easily, so love and lust are always present in his mind and relationships.That is the general blueprint. Every nation and the battle with or against its respective rulers, rebels, collaborators etceterea is an arc. I plan to end it with him conquering the whole planet and becoming immortal, or, continue adding arcs forever as he gets isekaid to new worlds and dimensions (not all of them medieval).Someone mentioned this reminded him of Napoleon and Overlord (the anime i assume) in the previous /wng/. I've read Napoleon's biography, and I plan on watching the movie starring Joaquin Phoenix, yes. However, I must clarify, that I watched Overlord's first 2 or 3 episodes and dropped years ago without any intention of continue watching it, since I consider it boring and pointless (just like every piece of media in which MC starts overpowdered instead of growing one step at a time).Opinions?
>>24954664As a european, that sounds like shit, and if there is no magic it will just be lots of teaching how to make modern technology rather than political intrigue. Maybe the anime Gate is more similar than overlord.I wouldn't read it though there is lots of idea guys but not so great executions
>>24954664The honest answer is that anything can work if the execution is good enough. Though I have to say that sounds... ambitious and where's the "hook" for the typical RR reader?
>>24954664>>American gets isekai'd to medieval fantasy worldStopped reading here.
Doubting Shakespeare's authorship is a very cheap way to, I guess, look intelligent. I wouldn't call it intelligence because my brain is far too advanced, I'm too smart, to doubt Shakespeare's authorship. I know you're sitting there going>Smart people know de Vere was using a pseudonym!No. I need a commoner, I need the son of a glovemaker, in my life to feel content. I need him to be writing greatest literature without a fucking education, having illiterate parents, and small Latin and less Greek. I can't just sit there,>Oh, and Francis Bacon left a hidden cipher!:/It's for people with slow brains.
>>24954326Think about this way. You're an academic from a privileged family with multiple advanced degrees from Oxford and Harvard in English, Linguistics, Foreign Tongues, and Literature. And yet you still can't pen one sentence, let alone one play, as powerful as any of a butcher's son without any higher education. It stings. It shows that all your analyzing, all your searching for biographical details, feminist lenses and subaltern discourses, all the A+ knowledge of rethorical devices and plot structures and narrative tropes, and all the degrees concomitant with it, and even you high income high class family with enough money to do fuck all but write, doesn't make you smarter or better at writing than a butcher's son. So it's necessary to invent a comforting lie that maybe Shakespeare was a noble in disguise and support it, even despite the fact that many a writer didn't need advanced academic humanities education to write better than an academic. A fart fetishist did it.A proto incel from Providence did it. Even people with math degrees did it (Pynchon, Wallace), and did it way fucking better than you, English Studies PhD teaching at Oxford.A bum with a cowboy fetish did it.An ESL Pole who started learning English in his 20s did it. And better than you.And, most insulting, a Russian ESL pedo did it.Why even stop at classics. A feminist girlboss wrote Harry Potter, more relevant and successful than an your theses about the olfactory politics of melanin in the Dubliners.A pedo wrote and writes better and more popular horror than you. Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24954350>>24954430the new captchka keeps phonefags out
>>24954681new captcha is 100x easier on phone wdym?
>>24954681Yeah, it doesn't.
>>24954326hey silly, it's just clickbait
Two Weeks Left Edition>Old:>>24936611>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs):https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg
>>24954583They are very good if they are your first or second or third fantasy book, but they are just OK if you are already a giant of fantasy reading.
>>24954583They are much better written than all this slop that's popular today
>>24954583very comfy, definitely worth it just for the original trilogy alone.
>>24954583I read the shit out of these in elementary school but like Legend of Drizzt, you will age out of these.
>>24952794I thought it was awful. The characters are so generic and they never grow as the books continue. Also the ending is a big anticlimax.
Ἁλικαρνασσόθεν edition>τὸ πρότερον νῆμα·>>24877858>Μέγα τὸ Ἑλληνιστί/Ῥωμαϊστί·https://mega dot nz/folder/FHdXFZ4A#mWgaKv4SeG-2Rx7iMZ6EKw>Mέγα τὸ ANE·https://mega dot nz/folder/YfsmFRxA#pz58Q6aTDkwn9Ot6G68NRg>Work in progress FAQhttps://rentry dot co/n8nrkoAll Classical languages are welcome.
>>24953984Looks probably good enough to me. I'm assuming the prompts were something like this.A) Boys, read the books of the good poets!B) The slavewoman waters the great pear tree of the garden.C) The beautiful pants of the field delight the happy farmers.
>>24953984almost perfect, but in one of them you made a noun-adjective agreement error
Finished Familia Romana. Gonna do Beeson’s next in terms of readers, but also got some loeb’s and the vulgate.
What is a good dictionary site to use with Beeson’s medieval latin primer
>>24954157yes, these were the prompts>>24954351then what is the correct phrase? pls help
Either or both translations and commentaries is welcome. Is picrel by Bhikkhu Bodhi, Bhikkhu Ñānamoli actually good, including Bodhi's other works?
>>24954684I've only read Julius Evola's The Doctrine of Awakening, as far as the subject goes, and I've read Bhagavada Gita and some vedanta.
Need a book for when I have an insomnia spell and can't sleep. I don't want to doomscroll my phone so it seems like a good way to get back into reading.
>>24949733Agreed. I wanted to like this and it killed me.
Lovecraft is perfect for this.
>>24953392Agreed.
What you need is an engaging book that is hard to approach. Somehow your brain is interested enough to try to follow it but it takes so much energy you fall asleep pretty quickly.
"Gormenghast" by Mervyn Peake will bore you into submission in no time.
I know it sounds corny but the consolation of philosophy has now saved me multiple times. It saved me from sadness and confusion and it invigorated my faith. It’s the most important book besides the holy scripture.
>>24953057God isnt real but I guess if it saved you I'll give it a pass
>>24953057Is this intellectual bypassing or is this spiritual bypassing?
>>24953057Skimmed it. Nothing caught my positive attention in it.
>>24954591No book can do that. Only you can do it to yourself.
>>24954603You can’t skim a book like this. You need to spend time with it, read it slowly over a few days or even weeks. Lit it simmer.
>open /lit/>see same tired “jbp bad” thread for the 900th time>people who’ve never read a page of his work confidently explaining what he “really believes”>rightoids hate him because he doesn't spend all day obsessing about jews>leftists hate him because he knows stalin was a mass murderer and told them to stop buying funko pops o algoNot even a huge Peterson fan, but it’s wild how triggered people get over a guy telling lost young men to clean their room and take responsibility for their lives. He’s a clinical psychologist with decades of practice and a pretty standard background in personality research, yet somehow he’s treated like some kind of comic book supervillain.The funniest part is how critics always quote-mine one sentence from a 3-hour lecture, strip all context, and then act shocked when normal people don’t buy the narrative. God forbid someone acknowledges biology and culture at the same time, or says meaning comes from responsibility instead of endless irony and doomscrolling.Anyway, cue the NPC replies.
>>24952996>yet somehow he’s treated like some kind of comic book supervillain.He's mostly just a lolcow nowadays. He and most of his ilk (Shapiro, Kirk, etc) are irrelevant nowadays. Things have gotten significantly worse and much of their former audience has been radicalised and now thinks of them as libcuck faggots. Peterson is on the sidelines whining "f-free speech... individual right..." while the people he used to appeal to are frothing at the mouth and hollering for blood, wanking themselves off to all the pointless displays of cruelty coming from the administration. He invited the beast into his tent, and it had its way with him.
>>24954625>former audience has been radicalisedThey were goners from the start. Though I guess catering to some made up "disenfranchised young males" might not have been the greatest idea yeah. You're not supposed to cater to these people, you're supposed to mock and berate them relentlessly until they either grow up or go away
>>24954633>you're supposed to mock and berate them relentlessly until they either growNot a great plan.
>>24954638>Not a great plan.Pft, that's how things used to operate around here, and it worked pretty well. I don't know what happened but nowadays these fags have basically taken over this place. Used to be everyone would identify the newfags and remind them to lurk more or whateverYou can apply this same principle all across life, of course. Look at that fag Nick Fuentes and all the attention he's getting. How cringe are his appearances on shows with these other retards? Why is anyone even letting him speak? Just call him a retarded faggot and remind him no one will ever take him seriously as long as he's such a gigantic faggot
>>24952996>Not even a huge Peterson fan, but it’s wild how triggered people get over a guy telling lost young men to clean their room and take responsibility for their lives.Yeah that’s who he used to be. His older lectures and works are quite good. Although a bit rambly at times, I did enjoy reading 12 rules. You could see that the moment he left academia, his shit went downhill pretty fast, however. Instead of challenging ideas and culture from within (fighting against heaps of pushback), he’s now gone the easy route, to making podcasts with people he agrees with, for people he agrees with. If you just scroll through his released podcast episodes from the last few years, it’s just him talking to the regular Joe Rogan clientele (Ramaswamy, RFK, Bret Weinstein, Matt Walsh, Russel Brand, Thiel, Andreessen)… not that there’s inherently anything wrong with that, but it’s the pretence that irks me. He’s still riding on the coattails of being a ‘licensed clinical psychiatrist with tenure’ despite not having seen clients or taught class for nearly ten years.A courageous, virtuous man wouldn’t retreat to his fortified motte, surround himself with yeasayer courtiers and spew his dissatisfaction over the plebs living in the burroughs. Yes, Peterson was somewhat ‘canceled’ from academia and mainstream media, but I blame him for not fighting it tooth and nail, or at least not in good faith. In the end, his tenure wasn’t cancelled by the university of Toronto, he resigned himself.
"Chanukah" editionPrevious: >>24940898/wg/ AUTHORS & FLASH FICTION: https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQRESOURCES & RECOMMENDATIONS: https://pastebin.com/nFxdiQvCPlease limit excerpts to one post.Give advice as much as you receive it to the best of your ability.Follow prompts made below and discuss written works for practice; contribute and you shall receive.If you have not performed a cursory proofread, do not expect to be treated kindly. Edit your work for spelling and grammar before posting.Violent shills, relentless shill-spammers, and grounds keeping prose, should be ignored and reported.(And maybe double-space your WIPs to allow edits if you want 'em.)Simple guides on writing:Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>24954343Literally any form of publishing is throwing shit into a void unless you already have an audience. Trad pubs will NOT market for you
>>24953740All I can think while reading this is how far the author’s head is up his own ass. You’re not writing to serve the reader; you’re writing to serve your ego.
>>24953740The prose doesn’t work even in a self-indulgent way. The metaphors have no themes, no imagery. It’s a jumble of phrases describing the same thing over and over again. Pick one and go for it instead of shitting out every word that comes outta your head; that shows respect to the reader.Listen to this guy >>24953947
>>24954343>finished my victoria storyAre we supposed to know what that is?
>>24953740>they defy gravitywoah, no way dude
I read Augustine's Confessions which convinced me to get a Bible (picrel) and I've been reading through the gospels and psalms and proverbs and have decided I want to get more serious about studying the Bible and the teachings of Jesus Christ. Can any anons recommend me a good study bible to get over winter break? I was considering getting the Ignatius catholic study bible or the Reformation Heritage KJV study bible but I'm open to any suggestions. I've attended catholic mass a couple times and also intend on trying out a Lutheran and a Presbyterian church nearby, but I was raised in a secular household so I have no idea what I'll end up choosing denomination-wise.There was a thread earlier this week about Machen where someone posted some /lit/ and I got some writings of the Church Fathers and Luther I intend on reading through as well, but aside from that and a few youtube videos from online personalities I'm pretty ignorant so I'd be grateful for any help
>>24953224You need to remember that Christcucks are retarded. So they join the religion before reading their holy book, or knowing what they understand the religion to be.
>>24953224>>24953276You will never truly understand Orthodoxy without experiencing the Divine Liturgy. Christianity involves active participation, not just passively beliving things like an armchair philosopher.
>>24952386Get yourself a KJV Bible, a copy of picrel, and a copy of Mere Christianity by CS Lewis.
>>24954125Literally no one cares about Orthodox Christianity. It's for discordfags and redpilllosers.I don't care about your doctrine, this is a discussion of study bibles, not convincing OP to go to your church.
>>24954187This is a Bible for atheists.
>>24954600But where are the Greeks?
>>24954639Euclidhttps://elements.ratherthanpaper.com/1.1https://youtu.be/XLlThlqCFeghttps://elements.ratherthanpaper.com/1.2https://youtu.be/UHZO2dviZfUhttps://elements.ratherthanpaper.com/1.3https://youtu.be/_ZwcobIExtohttps://www.desmos.com/geometry
LatinFamilia Romanahttps://archive.org/details/familia-romanaaudiohttps://archive.org/details/familia-romana-and-colloquia-personarum-audio-files>>>/t/1344565exercitia latinahttps://dn721508.ca.archive.org/0/items/lingua-latina-per-se-illustrata_202506/Lingua%20Lat%C4%ABna%20per%20s%C4%93%20ill%C5%ABstr%C4%81ta/Pars%20I/Exercitia%20Lat%C4%ABna%20I.pdfcolloquia personarumhttps://dn721508.ca.archive.org/0/items/lingua-latina-per-se-illustrata_202506/Lingua%20Lat%C4%ABna%20per%20s%C4%93%20ill%C5%ABstr%C4%81ta/Pars%20I/Suppl%C4%93menta/%C3%98rberg%2C%20Colloquia%20pers%C5%8Dn%C4%81rum.pdfComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
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Elements of Rhetoricby Richard Whatelyhttps://archive.org/details/elementsofrheto00whatPrinciples of general grammar. Comp. and arranged for the use of colleges and schools by Roemer, Jeanhttps://archive.org/details/principlesgener00roemgoogPrinciples of general grammar : adapted to the capacity of youth, and proper to serve as an introduction to the study of languages by Silvestre de Sacy, A. I. (Antoine Isaac)https://archive.org/details/principlesgener00sacygoog
